2015 Wimbledon

[ArbitraryWater]

Rafa is seeded 10 gawd damn

[plowking]

Wimbledon gonna make Djokovic play Rafa in the first, then Fed, then Stan, then Tsonga, Berdych and finally Murray in the final.

[imdaman99]

Rafa doesn't deserve higher than a 10th seed at Wimbledon :lol

How close is he to being done? :(

[BurningHammer]

Rafa doesn't deserve higher than a 10th seed at Wimbledon :lol

How close is he to being done? :(
The way Rafa has played has led to this. His body has broken down even faster than an older Fed.

[imdaman99]

The way Rafa has played has led to this. His body has broken down even faster than an older Fed.
It's true. I had a feeling when he finally fell off, that he would fall hard because father time stops for no one. And Rafa relies so heavily on his athleticism. Fed can still be great because he is a finesse guy, but even he is finding it hard to win a slam at his advanced age. They are both legends though. Djokovic still has too many lapses in slam finals. Had he won at the French, I had no doubt he was probably gonna win the CYGS.

[enayes]

Rafa doesn't deserve higher than a 10th seed at Wimbledon :lol

How close is he to being done? :(

People were talking about Rafa being done a few years ago and he came right back and started winning everything. He may very well never return to the Top 2 in the world but I wouldn't be surprised if he does. Don't count him out.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rafa said his motivations is high.. he wants to fully attack.. again :pimp:

[imdaman99]

Rafa said his motivations is high.. he wants to fully attack.. again :pimp:
Grass is his worst surface outside of indoors nowadays. He is susceptible to any hard hitter who is GOATin on serves. Last year, he actually improved but still underwhelmed and lost to a youngin. I wish he could give us 1 last Wimbledon shock of a ride but not expecting it. I don't wanna see another djoko-fed showdown.

[bdreason]

Who cares where Rafa is seeded, he isn't winning Wimbledon. The guy can't even win 2nd tier tournies on clay this season.

Djoker is the favorite of course, but if Wawrinka shows up with the game he played at the French, he's gonna win Wimbledon as well. His ground strokes, especially the backhand, are the best in the World right now.

Fed has a nice draw, but I just don't think he can physically hang with the top dogs anymore. Gonna need someone else to take out Djoker, Murray, and Wawrinka.

I haven't looked at the women's draw, but honestly, I feel like every woman on tour has been a disappointment this season, except for Serena of course, who continues to make the other women on tour look like children.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Haven't been following tennis in like forever. Rafa fell that far down? I always thought he started to break down about 2 years ago.

I always thought he would be that type of player: ridiculously dominant for 10 years then eventually fall off. I think of kind of like Agassi and Sampras. Sampras was very athletic and often relied on that to be the player he was. Agassi was very exact with everything he did, his longevity is GOAT. Still being able to capable of possibly beating Federer in his early prime as old as Agassi was is pretty impressive.

Rafa has an insane career but he plays way too hard and his knees are starting to really show steep decline. Athletically, he was probably the best athlete for the majority of the 12 or so years on the tennis circuit. I would argue Gael Monfils though in recent years, freak athlete from France who seemingly can never be consistent despite being really hyped as a junior in 2004.

[ArbitraryWater]

wow this was cold... Djokovic up 5-4 in the first 2 sets, no breaks yet, and both time breaks at 5-4 when Kohli tries to go overtime :(

[dude77]

unbelievable .. he did it again .. broken at 5-4 to lose the set 6-4 6-4 6-4 .. tough luck for kohlschreiber

[ArbitraryWater]

unbelievable .. he did it again .. broken at 5-4 to lose the set 6-4 6-4 6-4 .. tough luck for kohlschreiber

Kinda felt he was gonna choke.. thats Kohlschreiber

[bdreason]

unbelievable .. he did it again .. broken at 5-4 to lose the set 6-4 6-4 6-4 .. tough luck for kohlschreiber

No luck involved. When Djoker takes his game to the next level it isn't an even fighth. These are long tournaments, so you won't see most guys trying to bagel their opponents in early rounds. If Djoker came out guns blazing, this match wouldn't have had the appearance of being close.

[aj1987]

Federer gonna get ousted by a scrub again. :facepalm

[K Xerxes]

Novak has been favourite for every slam since 2011, and he's only managed one multislam year in that period. I think he will take the US open, but not Wimbledon. Murray pushed him 5 sets in RG, and he's a far better grass courter. If Stan doesn't take him out earlier, I think Murray will in the final.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Goals in life:

Being at either a Wimbledon Mens Final or a US Open Finals.

I have only gone to one Quarterfinal in my life back in the early 2000s, Hewitt vs. Roddick

[enayes]

No luck involved. When Djoker takes his game to the next level it isn't an even fighth. These are long tournaments, so you won't see most guys trying to bagel their opponents in early rounds. If Djoker came out guns blazing, this match wouldn't have had the appearance of being close.

:facepalm

Makes no sense. If a player can beat someone 6-0, 6-1, 6-1 they will do it. There's no reason to let a set stay close to "conserve" energy. Beating a player as quickly as possible is the best way to save energy/

[Smoke117]

Haven't been following tennis in like forever. Rafa fell that far down? I always thought he started to break down about 2 years ago.

I always thought he would be that type of player: ridiculously dominant for 10 years then eventually fall off. I think of kind of like Agassi and Sampras. Sampras was very athletic and often relied on that to be the player he was. Agassi was very exact with everything he did, his longevity is GOAT. Still being able to capable of possibly beating Federer in his early prime as old as Agassi was is pretty impressive.

Rafa has an insane career but he plays way too hard and his knees are starting to really show steep decline. Athletically, he was probably the best athlete for the majority of the 12 or so years on the tennis circuit. I would argue Gael Monfils though in recent years, freak athlete from France who seemingly can never be consistent despite being really hyped as a junior in 2004.

Uh...Agassi didn't even take his career seriously till he was 28, 29 and towards the end of his athletic prime. He was never dominant for a 10 year period. He had a dominant, but short peak as he was already getting up there in age. That he was still competitive at his age later on is impressive though. (even if the courts in general were slowing down as he was. He wasn't playing on the same fast courts that were around in the 90s , so this helped extend his career)

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

:facepalm

Makes no sense. If a player can beat someone 6-0, 6-1, 6-1 they will do it. There's no reason to let a set stay close to "conserve" energy. Beating a player as quickly as possible is the best way to save energy/

Neither of you are wrong, its a matter of perspective.

Of course, the less time you spend on court the better. But also, if you're going balls to the wall on every point, it could cost you, even if the match lasts an hour and a half. This is grass, remember, where the top guys hold serve 86-90% of the time. It's not as far-fetched as you think that guys would coast on their return games and redline at a key moment. Sampras was known for this, and in his autobiography explicitly stated that he would often cruise through the early portions of a set before locking in and trying to break to bookend the set.

Ideally, you'd like to be on cruise control in the early rounds and STILL win 1, 1 and 1 though.... :p but the mentality that bdreason described isn't really that aberrant. Higher ranked players have enormous confidence that their service games will withstand the onslaught of a lower ranked player...and this being grass, where you'll see players borderline tanking return games after going down 30-0/40-0....they might pick and choose their spots on the return.

Nadal is the exact opposite of this, I feel. Rare for him to take points off. Which has both helped and hurt him historically.

Anyways, again, depends on the mentality of the player.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Novak has been favourite for every slam since 2011, and he's only managed one multislam year in that period. I think he will take the US open, but not Wimbledon. Murray pushed him 5 sets in RG, and he's a far better grass courter. If Stan doesn't take him out earlier, I think Murray will in the final.


Hard to say that Murray is a far better grass court player when he has 1 Wimbledon to Novak's 2.

Yes, he leads 2-0 in their personal grass head to head, but Djokovic has beaten Federer at Wimbledon and he cleaned Nadals clock a Wimby, a prime Nadal, whereas Murray has only taken 1 of 10 sets against Rafa at SW19.

Wawrinka might upset him but don't bank on it. Wawrinka, despite being such an attacking player, paradoxically plays his best on clay and slow hardcourts. It's because he needs time to hit his groundstrokes, particularly his BH. Once you take his time away, he's not nearly as dangerous. Hence why the last 4 times him and Djokovic have played indoors (a fast surface), Wawrinka hasn't taken more than 7-8 games on any occasion.

[The_Yearning]

Novak has been favourite for every slam since 2011, and he's only managed one multislam year in that period. I think he will take the US open, but not Wimbledon. Murray pushed him 5 sets in RG, and he's a far better grass courter. If Stan doesn't take him out earlier, I think Murray will in the final.

This... if there was ever a choker in tennis, it's Novak.

[Smoke117]

This... if there was ever a choker in tennis, it's Novak.

Seriously...I couldn't believe he lost that french final. Apparently it's been in his head too ever since then...which isn't surprising. I don't think his head is right for Wimbledon right now, but maybe he'll get going as it gets deeper. Either way, he definitely has an outstanding chance to win the US Open. He's pretty easily the best hard court player in the world.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kukushkin playing amazing right now :biggums:

turned around this 2nd set against Murray

[bdreason]

Bouchard and Halep out in the 1st round. The worst part is that it's not even surprising.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Some upsets on the women side. Watched a little off the Keys match, Keys hits ridiculously hard but without any intent on keeping the ball in play. Always going for all out winners. I don't get why people do this.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Uh...Agassi didn't even take his career seriously till he was 28, 29 and towards the end of his athletic prime. He was never dominant for a 10 year period. He had a dominant, but short peak as he was already getting up there in age. That he was still competitive at his age later on is impressive though. (even if the courts in general were slowing down as he was. He wasn't playing on the same fast courts that were around in the 90s , so this helped extend his career)

Courts started to slow down significantly after 2004 IMO. To me, it ruined the sport and honestly ruined a lot of men's tennis. Andy Roddick changed his whole game because of the slowed down courts. Tried to be a defensive player for a few years when that really wasn't his game. Roddick had like a top 3 forehand before he changed it.

[bdreason]

Some upsets on the women side. Watched a little off the Keys match, Keys hits ridiculously hard but without any intent on keeping the ball in play. Always going for all out winners. I don't get why people do this.


That's how she plays now. To be fair, she's improved her ranking quite a bit by becoming much more aggressive offensively. She just doesn't have great lateral movement or defense.

[BurningHammer]

Nishikori out. Calf injury.

[Maga_1]

Kukushkin playing amazing right now :biggums:

turned around this 2nd set against Murray

One of my friends is Kukushkin physioterapist now.
I'm getting lots of inside stuff of Wimbledon, it's awesome.

[bdreason]

Rafa struggling against some Bob Marley looking motherfukca. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Rafa struggling against some Bob Marley looking motherfukca. :oldlol:

lol that dude is German :oldlol:

Rafa losing these close sets hurts immensely

[dude77]

nadal getting outplayed again by some scrub :facepalm .. the downfall has been steep

[HomieWeMajor]

#BlackExcellence

[imdaman99]

Turrible :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Rafa can't even get into his service games, had he made that net ball at 0-15 there, he coulda put some pressure on Brown and he wouldn't just coast through these games serve by serve..

[ArbitraryWater]

damn, sure pulled himself outta that hole.. now he's really gotta get it though

[bdreason]

Brown didn't even play that well to be honest. Rafa was struggling to return 100mph 2nd serves.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rafa never took a step back on Brown's serves.. Toni didn't tell him to do that once.

Rafa is a 2nd rate player at this point, done really... could retire or try to contend at the French every year, while go down early in the HC's and not even be a factor at Wimbledon.

[alenleomessi]

one of the worst declines i have ever seen by a top athlete.. nadal is a borderline scrub nowadays

[HomieWeMajor]

http://media.giphy.com/media/rNVOcxha0hS0M/giphy.gif

[K Xerxes]

I don't want to say Nadal is done because he is one of the greatest competitors ever, but the writing is on the wall. He needs to focus on the FO for the next couple of years and hopefully nab a couple more slams there. Little chance anywhere else. It's very sad to see such a sport star decline so rapidly before he hits 30.

[bdreason]

This Bob Marley lookin' mothafukca lives in a van?

[fiddy]

Nadal is a fаggot, dont know why yall cheering up that clown

[dude77]

damn nadal looked totally dejected in his presser .. looked like an old, worn down, defeated person .. asked if he can get back to his elite level .. his response "I don't know if I will ever get back to that" :o not good .. although they were talking about agassi's resurgence but then noted that agassi was fresh in his older years .. nadal has a shitload of mileage even at just 29

[fiddy]

damn nadal looked totally dejected in his presser .. looked like an old, worn down, defeated person .. asked if he can get back to his elite level .. his response "I don't know if I will ever get back to that" :o not good .. although they were talking about agassi's resurgence but then noted that agassi was fresh in his older years .. nadal has a shitload of mileage even at just 29
Hes couple of boxes away from his previous form, cheating scumbag

http://buywinstrol-online.com/images/Deca-durabolin-steroid.jpg

[dude77]

lol so that's why you hate him .. not taking either side but is there any proof he juices

[bdreason]

Fed with shot of the tourney so far. :bowdown:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qAUO6VYq0

[enayes]

Nadal has had a rough year, no doubt. But if anything, his vulnerability this year makes me like him even more.

Nadal is the best. Great player, great spirit, great person.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Done_And_Done]

Fed with shot of the tourney so far. :bowdown:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qAUO6VYq0

Can't believe he busted that out at Wimbledon. What a beauty...

[dude77]

federer has pulled shots like that so many times .. you'd think that was luck but .. it really isn't

[imdaman99]

Nadal has had a rough year, no doubt. But if anything, his vulnerability this year makes me like him even more.

Nadal is the best. Great player, great spirit, great person.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
No doubt. But we need him to pull a rabbit out of his hat at the USO to keep up his streak of a slam every year alive :cry:

[fiddy]

Nadal has had a rough year, no doubt. But if anything, his vulnerability this year makes me like him even more.

Nadal is the best. Great player, great spirit, great person.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
http://tennis.it/files/Hebdo-copertina-intera.jpg

[imdaman99]

Serena down 0-3 in the 3rd set :lebronamazed:

Inb4 comeback.

[BurningHammer]

Raonic out :(

[BurningHammer]

Serena down 0-3 in the 3rd set :lebronamazed:

Inb4 comeback.
4-4 now.

[BurningHammer]

Watson is gonna upsetting a superstar. :lebronamazed:

[BurningHammer]

Serena comeback :applause:

[bdreason]

Djoker getting pushed by Anderson. I've always liked Anderson's game.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Surfaces look faster today.

[bdreason]

What a great match. Anderson wins both the first sets in 8-6 tie-breaks. I think Anderson is tiring some though, and Djoker may push this 5 sets. I have to go to the office. :cry:

[imdaman99]

What are the odds Djoker comes back to win this? I'd say it's about 50-50 he does :oldlol:

If Djoko gets knocked out, it opens the door for Fed. Although Stan and Murray both looking good.

And no surprise Serena beats her sis. Serena on her way to a calendar slam.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Serena has been destroying the women's tennis competition for years lol. She's like the only person on both men's and women's tour who has a legitimate chance at a calender slam year in and year out.

I think Venus got some type of illness and that's why she fell off a lot quicker. Venus used to be a really good grass court player back in the early 2000s.

[alenleomessi]

federer teaching murray a lesson

[Sarcastic]

Typical Murray choking the big one.

[That_Admiral]

Federer getting that 8th title :applause:

[Sarcastic]

Murray's defeat is inevitable. He can't touch Fed's serve.

[ArbitraryWater]

Amazing match :applause:

[alenleomessi]

should have went with a 3-0fed win instead of 3-1.. oh well

[Warfan]

GOAT putting on a clinic

[arkain]

Fed better win Wimbledon now, would hate such a dominant performance go to waste.

[GatorKid117]

What a Beast...

Feel bad for Murray. He played well; Fed was just too good.

[bdreason]

Fed is unbelievable. He beat Murray in just over 2 hours... and in less time than it took Djoker to dispatch of Gasquet.


Djoker is still the favorite in the Final, but I think Fed has a real shot if he continues to serve at this level.

[imdaman99]

We gonna see another classic on Sunday?????? Is Fed destined to get his heart broken again? Fed has to win in 4 sets, I don't see him winning in 5. Djokovic is crazy good in 5 set matches.

[That_Admiral]

This 21 year old is gonna be amazing :applause:

[4 Inches]

#BlackExcellence

[BurningHammer]

4 major wins in a row. :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

One more to really complete the Grand Slam in a season.

[dude77]

women's tennis doesn't count

it's like getting all excited about a wnba champion

[BurningHammer]

women's tennis doesn't count

it's like getting all excited about a wnba champion
Still, tennis is still the biggest women's pro sport. WNBA is way down there.

[bdreason]

Women's Tennis is nothing like the WNBA. In fact, the women in Tennis make the same prize money as the men, at least at the Majors.

[KiiiiNG]

Murray is a bitch.

Just concede the set.

[BurningHammer]

Hingis is in 2 Wimbledon finals, women's doubles and mixed doubles.

Female version of Andre Agassi :rockon: :cheers:

[KingBeasley08]

Serena is a true American

[ArbitraryWater]

http://i.gyazo.com/83265cfaa26268b0db2a7026b6e15df7.png
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[lefthook00]

Federer - Nadal - Novak - Murray

The 4 horsemen of the last decade..

What are their biggest strengths? Biggest weaknesses? Best shot? Worst shot? Best surface? Just curious...can anyone break it down?

[BurningHammer]

Federer - Nadal - Novak - Murray

The 4 horsemen of the last decade..

What are their biggest strengths? Biggest weaknesses? Best shot? Worst shot? Best surface? Just curious...can anyone break it down?
Fed - an all-rounder
Nadal - very aggressive and relentless with high stamina
Djoker - great baseline game with high stamina
Murray - crafty, playing with the whole court

[imdaman99]

Fed - an all-rounder
Nadal - very aggressive and relentless with high stamina
Djoker - great baseline game with high stamina
Murray - crafty, playing with the whole court
Stan has crashed the party the last 2 years though. Stopped Nadal from getting a 2nd career slam and Djokovic from career slam.

[BurningHammer]

Hingis :bowdown:

[Brunch@Five]

counting women, Martina Hingis truly is one of the big "what if"s in sports history. Had 5 Grand Slam titles at age 22 IIRC. Then had to retire due to injury.
Also, Serena is invincible right now. If she completes that calendar year grand slam this year, I think she has a case for best ever over Steffi Graf.

It's a real bummer for me that I can't watch Federer vs Djokovic tomorrow. It's surely gonna be another all-time greatest match. I can't even decide who to root for.

Tennis has been so good to us the past 10 years. Federer. Nadal. Djokovic :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: not to forget some great finals with Murray vs Federer, or Roddick vs Federer.

[masonanddixon]

Tennis sucks now compared to the mid and late90s.

rafter would rape any of these guys.

[K Xerxes]

Nadal - very aggressive

:roll:

You can't be serious...

[dude77]

Women's Tennis is nothing like the WNBA. In fact, the women in Tennis make the same prize money as the men, at least at the Majors.

level of play .. it's just like comparing the wnba to the nba .. well there is no comparison .. it's a joke ..

most women's sports are a clear tier or two below their equivalent men's sport .. they can never compete at the highest level because they can't compete with the men ..

women's pro tennis is like watching men's juniors .. you win championships but they're always at a lower level .. never the best .. it's popular because of the one on one storyline and well because there are a lot of hot ass female players wearing skimpy little outfits

[dude77]

as for the men's .. pissed at wawrinka .. he should be there tomorrow .. stupid loss to gasquet .. this was the worst possible scenario for me .. federer and djokovic .. federer extending his lead on nadal(not like it matters at this point though since nadal may be done) or djokovic winning another .. either or is going to happen now fk lol .. gotta respect federer though .. at his age and he's in another slam final .. if he pulls this off .. a wimbledon final against the clear world #1 at his age, my hats off to him .. his ass deserves it

[alenleomessi]

no one watching?
exciting match even though both arent playing at their best

[Warfan]

No one watching? :lol That was a great tiebreak, hopefully fed can get novak back for last year.

[imdaman99]

Djokovic stay choking... let's see how he blows this early break in the 3rd set.

[BurningHammer]

:roll:

You can't be serious...
Don't mind me. I copied from somewhere else. :D

[BurningHammer]

If the weather forecast says the chance of rain is high, why don't they just pull off the roof from the start? :confusedshrug:

[jamal99]

Djokovic stay choking... let's see how he blows this early break in the 3rd set.
:rolleyes:

[dunksby]

Djokovic stay choking... let's see how he blows this early break in the 3rd set.
Nadal nut hugger talking about choking :roll:

[dunksby]

Djokovic dominated the GOAT, this man is unbelievable :applause:

[BurningHammer]

9th :applause:

Djoker still can't win French Open though.

[ArbitraryWater]

Hey, I missed this match.. does anyone know/have a link to the full game? I dont know who won so Id love this.. please PM it to me so I dont get here for spoilers.. maybe reddit has something?

[GIF REACTION]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwmrE5jBq4A

Most alpha moment in tennis history

[ArbitraryWater]

screw it, dont even try, couldnt keep myself in the dark for very long :lol

congrats Nole :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Nadal nut hugger talking about choking :roll:

this makes zero sense dude..

[Sarcastic]

It's amazing the announcers were able to get a word in, what with Fed's schlong buried so far down their throats.

[Sarcastic]

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/E7E04233631232063542493601792_3e11078c09d.4.2.1123 7850512874943670.mp4?versionId=gE7okIyQNprqlDfPlrx XB_XA.igzn3Ba


LOL

[dunksby]

It's amazing the announcers were able to get a word in, what with Fed's schlong buried so far down their throats.
Those posh Brits in the arena are worse even, as a Novak fan, I feel he rarely gets recognition or the support of the attendance.

[That_Admiral]

Those posh Brits in the arena are worse even, as a Novak fan, I feel he rarely gets recognition or the support of the attendance.
being a federer fan, i also find it hard to watch the sort of one way support. But i really think after/if federer wins his 8th wimbledon more people will begin to support djokovic

[imdaman99]

Nadal nut hugger talking about choking :roll:
What are you talking about? Nadal doesn't have a losing record in Slam Finals. Tell me which slams was Djokovic the underdog in the past 4 years? Was it any? And then tell me how many he's won. He choked in the French Open this year when he finally waited out Nadal's decline to beat him.

Nadal doesn't choke, if anything he is the classic overachiever. He should have never been that great, but he made the most of his talents. That is not something a choker would have done. He is a fighter with heart.

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/ForehandOfDoom/DjokovicAnteater_zps89bd7152.jpg

[dunksby]

What are you talking about? Nadal doesn't have a losing record in Slam Finals. Tell me which slams was Djokovic the underdog in the past 4 years? Was it any? And then tell me how many he's won. He choked in the French Open this year when he finally waited out Nadal's decline to beat him.

Nadal doesn't choke, if anything he is the classic overachiever. He should have never been that great, but he made the most of his talents. That is not something a choker would have done. He is a fighter with heart.


Yes let's forget about the early exits to scrubs, of course you would ttalk about finals record, wanna drop 2/6 here too? :oldlol: only trolls drop terms like choking as frequent as rappers drop the Nbomb.

[dunksby]

My leg hurts so I'm gonna have a siesta till the next French Open :roll:

[dunksby]

being a federer fan, i also find it hard to watch the sort of one way support. But i really think after/if federer wins his 8th wimbledon more people will begin to support djokovic
At this point, I don't think even Novak wants their soft ass cheers :lol

[That_Admiral]

At this point, I don't think even Novak wants their soft ass cheers :lol
haha true that. I haven't been watching tennis regularly except for the grand slams. but do you know anyone thats coming up the ranks in mens? Like Garbi

[dunksby]

[QUOTE=That_Admiral]haha true that. I haven't been watching tennis regularly except for the grand slams. but do you know anyone thats coming up the ranks in mens? Like Garbi

[That_Admiral]

I like that crazy Aussie kid, Kyrgios? As long as he learns to channel his rage into his game.
the shit he did at Wimbledon was disgusting and his post-game interview. but i guess it isn't about the personality but the way they play.

[That_Admiral]

Djokovic has dominated tennis for the last four years, but imdaman99 is right to call him a choker. Hes only won 4 out of his last 10 Grand Slam Finals. definitely choked in the French Open as well. There was no way he should have lost that one.

Also agree with the Federer love in as well. Djokovic is more humble, intelligent, charismatic, humurous etc than anyone on tour, yet people in England, France, Australia and America still hate him. We all know this is because hes Eastern European. The only Eastern Europeans they ever support are woman because theyre not used to seeing hot girls like that (Serena, Capriati, Mauresomo, Stosur etc vs Ivanovic, Wozniacki, Sarapova, Kirilinko)
I don't know how you can hate a guy like him. You can just see it from the way he plays and talks he's definitely a good humble guy. I'm sure he'll dominate the tennis world for a while longer.

[bdreason]

[QUOTE=That_Admiral]haha true that. I haven't been watching tennis regularly except for the grand slams. but do you know anyone thats coming up the ranks in mens? Like Garbi

[That_Admiral]

The men seem to be peaking in their late 20's these days. The next batch of star players, who are in their mid-20's, include guys like; Kei Nishikori, Milos Raonic, Marin Cilic, and Grigor Dimitrov.

I find it too difficult to project men's in their teens - early 20's. The game is so physically grueling these days, there are lots of guys who may have the skills at a young age, but are never able to develop the appropriate physical tools to consistently compete with the elite.

You see the same thing with the women's game these days. 20 years ago you had teenage girls winning Majors, but that doesn't happen anymore, and that's mostly because teenagers aren't physically developed enough to compete with the elite.
Oh yeah i remember seeing him in the US Open last year, but not much after that.
That's definitely crazy, women like Graf and Hingis dominated in their earlier years, even winning before turning 20. But now you've got Serena (who I believe is sort of an exception to the rule) not even winning but dominating in her 30's. It's quite remarkable how tennis has evolved.

[dunksby]

The men seem to be peaking in their late 20's these days. The next batch of star players, who are in their mid-20's, include guys like; Kei Nishikori, Milos Raonic, Marin Cilic, and Grigor Dimitrov.

I find it too difficult to project men's in their teens - early 20's. The game is so physically grueling these days, there are lots of guys who may have the skills at a young age, but are never able to develop the appropriate physical tools to consistently compete with the elite.

You see the same thing with the women's game these days. 20 years ago you had teenage girls winning Majors, but that doesn't happen anymore, and that's mostly because teenagers aren't physically developed enough to compete with the elite.
Physical peak in most sports for men is 25-32.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yes let's forget about the early exits to scrubs, of course you would ttalk about finals record, wanna drop 2/6 here too? :oldlol: only trolls drop terms like choking as frequent as rappers drop the Nbomb.

Dude... I really didn't expect anyone to try to classify Nadal as a choker, never the less someone who wants to be a tennis fan.

Peja (huge Fed fan) himself has said the 'what if' card is hard to play with Rafa.. kinda have to agree, when I look at healthy slams, slam finals that he could have won, I look at the 2012 AO finals and thats pretty much it... he's undoubtedly one of the best mental players ever, and pointing towards first round exits just shows you how much past it he's now... you also just contradicted yourself with the 2-6 mention, you do know he applies the finals record to both LeBron and Rafa? Rafa just has been factually spectacular.

Djokovic has been incredibly underwhelming.. like Xerxes said it, he's been the favorite at just about every slam since 2011. He's thrown away countless of majors, Rog and Rafa would be laughing at it.

[Brunch@Five]

Rafa and Federer certainly have set an extremely high standard, despite all his successes Djokovics career seems a bit disappointing thus far. Nevertheless, if he has two more strong years (>2 major titles), he will have closed the gap to Nadal.

[dunksby]

Dude... I really didn't expect anyone to try to classify Nadal as a choker, never the less someone who wants to be a tennis fan.

Peja (huge Fed fan) himself has said the 'what if' card is hard to play with Rafa.. kinda have to agree, when I look at healthy slams, slam finals that he could have won, I look at the 2012 AO finals and thats pretty much it... he's undoubtedly one of the best mental players ever, and pointing towards first round exits just shows you how much past it he's now... you also just contradicted yourself with the 2-6 mention, you do know he applies the finals record to both LeBron and Rafa? Rafa just has been factually spectacular.

Djokovic has been incredibly underwhelming.. like Xerxes said it, he's been the favorite at just about every slam since 2011. He's thrown away countless of majors, Rog and Rafa would be laughing at it.
Choker is in your head, every athlete has disappointing moments, only trolls who never have taken part in competitive sports don'tuunderstand it. Federer choked because he lost after everyone hailed him as the GOAT, Nadal choked afterall tthose early exits, Novak choked after being favorite against Wawrinka etc. You can play the branding game for anyone, athletes lose in single and in team sports, get that into your thick head. That goes for you and any other dumbass armchair expert.

[ArbitraryWater]

Choker is in your head, every athlete has disappointing moments, only trolls who never have taken part in competitive sports don'tuunderstand it. Federer choked because he lost after everyone hailed him as the GOAT, Nadal choked afterall tthose early exits, Novak choked after being favorite against Wawrinka etc. You can play the branding game for anyone, athletes lose in single and in team sports, get that into your thick head. That goes for you and any other dumbass armchair expert.

You really can't.. there is no reasonable excuse for Djokovic not beating Murray, Stan, etc. at all those years.. I have played competitive sports (still do) and was absolutely pissed at shrinking in big moments at times.. one match I literally had set points (TT) in every set, and lost all because I didn't dare to close/attack on those final ones... I'm younger, more athletic, faster than you are... I get that you're still kind of immature and need to call others armchair experts and what not, like you play professional sports yourself, but I doubt you could hold a candle to me. Don't start with that. It's irrelevant and you don't want to go there.

'Federer choked because he lost after everyone called him GOAT' I mean, what the **** does this even mean? I have never even heard of this... this is shit you're making up on the fly. I get you love Djokovic, but I know fans of his personally that are able to admit his shortcomings, wilting under pressure.

[gigantes]

...Djokovic has been incredibly underwhelming.. like Xerxes said it, he's been the favorite at just about every slam since 2011. He's thrown away countless of majors, Rog and Rafa would be laughing at it.

Rafa and Federer certainly have set an extremely high standard, despite all his successes Djokovics career seems a bit disappointing thus far. Nevertheless, if he has two more strong years (>2 major titles), he will have closed the gap to Nadal.
you guys are completely nuts.

djokes was an andy roddick-type player just a few years ago, and then took an enormous leap forward that not even his fans were ready for.

his ability to get to major semifinals and finals in general has got to be right up there with the greats. the fact that his style of game often leaves him exhausted by the final match is no shame IMO... it means he pushed himself to the limit and happened to come up short.

not to mention, quite a few players have better skills than him, and not everyone can play that effortless sampras / federer game.

meanwhile he still has a couple years left and is already ahead of all but a few legends in major titles.

completely nuts...

[Jasi]

I don't know how you can hate a guy like him. You can just see it from the way he plays and talks he's definitely a good humble guy. I'm sure he'll dominate the tennis world for a while longer.

I don't think Nole is hated by many. I bet most tennis fans like him.
It's just that it is almost impossible to cheer against Federer.

[ArbitraryWater]

you guys are completely nuts.

djokes was an andy roddick-type player just a few years ago, and then took an enormous leap forward that not even his fans were ready for.

his ability to get to major semifinals and finals in general has got to be right up there with the greats. the fact that his style of game often leaves him exhausted by the final match is no shame IMO... it means he pushed himself to the limit and happened to come up short.

not to mention, quite a few players have better skills than him, and not everyone can play that effortless sampras / federer game.

meanwhile he still has a couple years left and is already ahead of all but a few legends in major titles.

completely nuts...

what does this have to do with anything? He's a legend, top 10 ever, we know that... actually, both Murray and Djoker were projected to make a leap.. Andy's never really came in that manner, though.

Guys at Djoker's ability shouldn't waste that many GS finals, damn fact. You're nuts if you deny it.

[gigantes]

what does this have to do with anything? He's a legend, top 10 ever, we know that... actually, both Murray and Djoker were projected to make a leap.. Andy's never really came in that manner, though.

Guys at Djoker's ability shouldn't waste that many GS finals, damn fact. You're nuts if you deny it.
i just pointed out what the references were to, and i already explained in some detail why i think his finals record isn't better.

reading comprehension FTW.

if someone is trying their hardest in life then i have no truck with them. as far as i can see, djokes is doing exactly that.

oh and btw-- plenty of good players fit in to that murray and early-djoker category and never quite take that next step. (not to mention the LEAP that he did) in fact, the top-10 / top-20 is typically filled with such players.

one of the oldest stories out there, but i guess it's not easy for some to understand.

[dunksby]

You really can't.. there is no reasonable excuse for Djokovic not beating Murray, Stan, etc. at all those years.. I have played competitive sports (still do) and was absolutely pissed at shrinking in big moments at times.. one match I literally had set points (TT) in every set, and lost all because I didn't dare to close/attack on those final ones... I'm younger, more athletic, faster than you are... I get that you're still kind of immature and need to call others armchair experts and what not, like you play professional sports yourself, but I doubt you could hold a candle to me. Don't start with that. It's irrelevant and you don't want to go there.

'Federer choked because he lost after everyone called him GOAT' I mean, what the **** does this even mean? I have never even heard of this... this is shit you're making up on the fly. I get you love Djokovic, but I know fans of his personally that are able to admit his shortcomings, wilting under pressure.
GOAT player should never lose, if he does, he choked, Novak beat both Roger and Nadal to win his first slam out of nowhere so that makes both Rafa and Fed chokers. Damn fact is that all you knowof ccompetition and sports is what you have seen on TV and have no idea what level of competitive and winning spirit it takes to win a mere ATP title let alone 9 Grand Slams. I played so much competitive ball to appreciate what proper athletes go through to get where they are, and no your inter tennis rich boy tennis academy mini tourney ddoesn't qualify you to call all time greats "chokers". I have given you enough attention today, go have a fight with your parents or whatever it is you normally do to get attention. You werennot even my initial addressee anyway.

[dunksby]

i just pointed out what the references were to, and i already explained in some detail why i think his finals record isn't better.

reading comprehension FTW.

if someone is trying their hardest in life then i have no truck with them. as far as i can see, djokes is doing exactly that.

oh and btw-- plenty of good players fit in to that murray and early-djoker category and never quite take that next step. (not to mention the LEAP that he did) in fact, the top-10 / top-20 is typically filled with such players.

one of the oldest stories out there, but i guess it's not easy for some to understand.
Basement dwelling teens like to brand others as losers to feel good about their own shortcomings.

[Brunch@Five]

you guys are completely nuts.

djokes was an andy roddick-type player just a few years ago, and then took an enormous leap forward that not even his fans were ready for.

his ability to get to major semifinals and finals in general has got to be right up there with the greats. the fact that his style of game often leaves him exhausted by the final match is no shame IMO... it means he pushed himself to the limit and happened to come up short.

not to mention, quite a few players have better skills than him, and not everyone can play that effortless sampras / federer game.

meanwhile he still has a couple years left and is already ahead of all but a few legends in major titles.

completely nuts...

well compared to Nadal and Federer, arguably #1 and #2, Djokovic disappointed a bit, due to his mediocre finals record. If he had Nadal's winning percentage, he would already have won as much as him.
If he didn't play in that same era, his 9 grand slams and occasional dominance would make him a case for best of his era in itself.

Nadal is 14-6 in grand slam finals
Federer is 17-9
Djokovic is 9-8

[ArbitraryWater]

i just pointed out what the references were to, and i already explained in some detail why i think his finals record isn't better.

reading comprehension FTW.

if someone is trying their hardest in life then i have no truck with them. as far as i can see, djokes is doing exactly that.

oh and btw-- plenty of good players fit in to that murray and early-djoker category and never quite take that next step. (not to mention the LEAP that he did) in fact, the top-10 / top-20 is typically filled with such players.

one of the oldest stories out there, but i guess it's not easy for some to understand.

sure, I guess if you're satisfied with that, thats cool too.. who cares about this leap? seriously? Djokovic has GOAT levela bilities, who cares what happened before that? His stamina 'magically' went from injured all the time to having one of the biggest motors ever..


GOAT player should never lose, if he does, he choked, Novak beat both Roger and Nadal to win his first slam out of nowhere so that makes both Rafa and Fed chokers. Damn fact is that all you knowof ccompetition and sports is what you have seen on TV and have no idea what level of competitive and winning spirit it takes to win a mere ATP title let alone 9 Grand Slams. I played so much competitive ball to appreciate what proper athletes go through to get where they are, and no your inter tennis rich boy tennis academy mini tourney ddoesn't qualify you to call all time greats "chokers". I have given you enough attention today, go have a fight with your parents or whatever it is you normally do to get attention. You werennot even my initial addressee anyway.

context, you ignore it on purpose :applause:

A healthy Djokovic lost to Nishikori... he lost to a past prime Federer, he lost to Wawrinka while Wawrinka's quote was at 6, he lost to Murray at the US while once again being favorites, lost the close sets though... in fact, he's lost 8 major finals already.... before 2011, all Rafa ever lost were the major finals as a teenager in 2006 and 2007 against peak Roger. Djoker's come all during his prime. Rafa lost to a peak Djoker twice/thrice, and never lost another final while healthy, ever.
On a sidenote, since you now made 2 posts about irrelevant personal stuff which seemingly angers you quite a bit (personal failures), you don't look to me like the athlete type much, lol, sorry.


well compared to Nadal and Federer, arguably #1 and #2, Djokovic disappointed a bit, due to his mediocre finals record. If he had Nadal's winning percentage, he would already have won as much as him.
If he didn't play in that same era, his 9 grand slams and occasional dominance would make him a case for best of his era in itself.

Nadal is 14-6 in grand slam finals
Federer is 17-9
Djokovic is 9-8

plus, in one of those 6 losses Rafa was hobbling all over the court after medical timeouts and what not.

[Jasi]

Yeah but go back to Wiki and check who those winning finals were playd against.
Federer won his first Slams vs the likes of Philippoussis, Hewitt, an old Agassi, Safin, Baghdatis, Gonzalez etc.
Djokovic's titles always came vs one of the Big Four (except his very first one vs Tsonga).

This is not to diminish Roger, who I think is the undisputed GOAT, but to prop up Nole who is also an all time great.

[gigantes]

sure, I guess if you're satisfied with that, thats cool too.. who cares about this leap? seriously? Djokovic has GOAT levela bilities, who cares what happened before that? His stamina 'magically' went from injured all the time to having one of the biggest motors ever...
it doesn't matter if i'm satisfied with djoker's achievements. they are what they are, and i believe he's trying his best. of course i've been disappointed when he's lost various finals, but i understand the reasons why that happens.

i don't agree djokes has GOAT-level abilities, other than defensively. but i guess i can see you having a problem with him if you believe that. sucks to be you, eh?

magic... yeah, you seem to have a strange understanding of the word. how long have you followed tennis, exactly? the various factors that helped him take his leap are not exactly secret... such as a redesigned diet, improved maintenance routine, and the huge shot of self-belief and motivation that came from his central role in serbia winning the davis cup.

well, i'm audi. good night and good luck.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah but go back to Wiki and check who those winning finals were playd against.
Federer won his first Slams vs the likes of Philippoussis, Hewitt, an old Agassi, Safin, Baghdatis, Gonzalez etc.
Djokovic's titles always came vs one of the Big Four (except his very first one vs Tsonga).

This is not to diminish Roger, who I think is the undisputed GOAT, but to prop up Nole who is also an all time great.

no doubt, but these recent years have also been kinda made for Nole, tbh.. Rafa playing like every second slam, at least at full health, Roger way past it... 2011 was absolutely sick, Rafa and Rog healthy, high level of play (Fed rebounded from his more mediocre 2010 campaign), and he won 3/4.