Monta will be a FA

[UK2K]

They aren't trading him anywhere.

Good luck Dallas.

One less competitor in the SW division.

[Fudge]

Monta isn't that good/valuable. If anything, Dallas is better off without him, assuming they find a decent replacement. I think they should take a look at Wes Matthews. Better defender, more size, better shooting/spacing, etc.

I think they'd be so much better with Rondo and without Monta, than vice versa. Try to sign Rondo for dirt cheap since his stock is at an all time low.

Rondo
Matthews
Parsons
Nowitzki
Chandler?/Jordan?

[chocolatethunder]

They aren't trading him anywhere.

Good luck Dallas.

One less competitor in the SW division.
I think they'll have a decent amount of cap space (30 million?) but no one is going to sign there I don't think.

[DMAVS41]

Monta isn't that good/valuable. If anything, Dallas is better off without him, assuming they find a decent replacement. I think they should take a look at Wes Matthews. Better defender, more size, better shooting/spacing, etc.

I think they'd be so much better with Rondo and without Monta, than vice versa. Try to sign Rondo for dirt cheap since his stock is at an all time low.

Rondo
Matthews
Parsons
Nowitzki
Chandler?/Jordan?

Rondo isn't coming back.

Ellis got screwed here. The Parsons and Rondo signing made it all a terrible fit for him. If Dallas had not ****ed up with the Parsons signing and had gone after players we actually needed like Ariza and Avery Bradley/IT....etc. Not only would the Mavs be in a great place and had a much better season, but Ellis would have been able to thrive.

So typical for Cuban/Nellie...make a great move like the Calderon trade...and then follow it up with the terrible Parsons signing...which forced the Rondo trade....which now forces the Ellis situation.

[UK2K]

Rondo isn't coming back.

Ellis got screwed here. The Parsons and Rondo signing made it all a terrible fit for him. If Dallas had not ****ed up with the Parsons signing and had gone after players we actually needed like Ariza and Avery Bradley/IT....etc. Not only would the Mavs be in a great place and had a much better season, but Ellis would have been able to thrive.

So typical for Cuban/Nellie...make a great move like the Calderon trade...and then follow it up with the terrible Parsons signing...which forced the Rondo trade....which now forces the Ellis situation.
:applause:

You said everything I was going to say.

[Rooster]

Rondo isn't coming back.

Ellis got screwed here. The Parsons and Rondo signing made it all a terrible fit for him. If Dallas had not ****ed up with the Parsons signing and had gone after players we actually needed like Ariza and Avery Bradley/IT....etc. Not only would the Mavs be in a great place and had a much better season, but Ellis would have been able to thrive.

So typical for Cuban/Nellie...make a great move like the Calderon trade...and then follow it up with the terrible Parsons signing...which forced the Rondo trade....which now forces the Ellis situation.

What is the end game for Mavs at this point? Are they gonna roll hard and ride Nowitzki at the tail end of his career or they gonna shutdown and do a fresh start?

[DMAVS41]

:applause:

You said everything I was going to say.

So upset with the Mavs right now. I don't really care that Ellis is leaving...just so pathetic we made that Parsons signing.

Could have had Ariza, IT, and another player for the price of Parsons.

Right now...all the Mavs have on the books is Dirk, Parsons, Felton, and Harris. It's a ****ing joke. The only reason it's not the worst thing ever is because Dirk signed for roughly 1/3 of what he could have elsewhere.

Now, we could still make some great signings and moves, but Cuban/Nellie ****ed us so bad last summer with the Parsons signing. Just so god damn stupid to sign Parsons to a team in which you need a tough defensive minded 3 and D guy that doesn't need the ball to be impactful.

You don't put Parsons around Ellis/Dirk...you put guys like Ariza/Tyson/Avery Bradley/Aminu...etc. Obvious then and obvious now.

Now we have to figure out a way to get rock solid defensive players at every position. Aminu/Tyson are nice, but no guarantee we keep them. Hearing Danny Green might be a target...that would be great.

But we have to get two backup bigs...and a starting point guard as well.

Just so much to add...we need a starting pg, starting sg, backup sg, set at sf assuming Aminu is back, backup pf, backup c (assuming tyson is back)


I wonder if some team would allow us to dump Felton on them. Maybe the sixers for cash considerations and a future 2nd rounder or something. Getting him off the books would be nice, but then again, if we don't get good players...having Felton as the 8th or 9th man might actually be the better option.

Hopefully Cuban/Nellie surprise us, but they royally ****ed up last year with Parsons.

[DMAVS41]

What is the end game for Mavs at this point? Are they gonna roll hard and ride Nowitzki at the tail end of his career or they gonna shutdown and do a fresh start?

They are going to try and put as good a team out there as possible until there is no reason to do so.

They had their chance last summer to build a contender. I said all along...even emailed Cuban....to go after Ariza and IT or Avery Bradley instead of trying to make a big splash.

That Calderon trade was amazing....and to follow it up with Parons was ****ing brutal.

Also, what people don't realize, is that the Wright/Crowder trade would still have happened most likely under my scenario, but it just wouldn't have been for Rondo. It would have been for something else...like another big or something this team actually would need.

End game? Unless they pull a rabbit in the coming months...it's fight for (and lose) the battle to make the playoffs in the brutal West for the next couple years. Then blow it up and start over when Dirk is done. Because Dirk isn't playing past the next two years if we can't even make the playoffs.

Sick...just so sick that these guys have done such a terrible job building around Dirk since 2003. Disgustingly bad.

[UK2K]

So upset with the Mavs right now. I don't really care that Ellis is leaving...just so pathetic we made that Parsons signing.

Could have had Ariza, IT, and another player for the price of Parsons.

Right now...all the Mavs have on the books is Dirk, Parsons, Felton, and Harris. It's a ****ing joke. The only reason it's not the worst thing ever is because Dirk signed for roughly 1/3 of what he could have elsewhere.

Now, we could still make some great signings and moves, but Cuban/Nellie ****ed us so bad last summer with the Parsons signing. Just so god damn stupid to sign Parsons to a team in which you need a tough defensive minded 3 and D guy that doesn't need the ball to be impactful.

You don't put Parsons around Ellis/Dirk...you put guys like Ariza/Tyson/Avery Bradley/Aminu...etc. Obvious then and obvious now.

Now we have to figure out a way to get rock solid defensive players at every position. Aminu/Tyson are nice, but no guarantee we keep them. Hearing Danny Green might be a target...that would be great.

But we have to get two backup bigs...and a starting point guard as well.

Just so much to add...we need a starting pg, starting sg, backup sg, set at sf assuming Aminu is back, backup pf, backup c (assuming tyson is back)


I wonder if some team would allow us to dump Felton on them. Maybe the sixers for cash considerations and a future 2nd rounder or something. Getting him off the books would be nice, but then again, if we don't get good players...having Felton as the 8th or 9th man might actually be the better option.

Hopefully Cuban/Nellie surprise us, but they royally ****ed up last year with Parsons.


In one of his first interviews after Houston elected not to match the Mavericks' offer sheet to Parsons, Morey told SportsTalk 790 AM in Houston: "That structure of that [contract] is literally one of the most untradeable structures that I've ever seen."

The wrinkle that made it so: Parsons signed a tricky three-year deal with the Mavs, with an option to return to free agency after Year 2, as opposed to the four-year offer sheet Dallas, or any other external suitor, could have lavished on him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11654821/how-dallas-mavericks-stole-chandler-parsons-houston-rockets

Interesting read.

I was upset that Parsons was let go. He was one of my favorite players on the team, but he was able to cash in on the fact that he was a 3rd option and more or less had a green light anytime he wanted (except when Harden wanted, of course).

Morey has done a fantastic job of finding pieces that compliment Harden and Howard.

On the plus side though... After next season the Mavs will have a clean slate. Parsons obviously, Dirk, and Harris will be all that's left. They need to start thinking about the future.

It may end up being a rough next few years if Dallas doesnt land some talent in FA.

[DMAVS41]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11654821/how-dallas-mavericks-stole-chandler-parsons-houston-rockets

Interesting read.

I was upset that Parsons was let go. He was one of my favorite players on the team, but he was able to cash in on the fact that he was a 3rd option and more or less had a green light anytime he wanted (except when Harden wanted, of course).

Morey has done a fantastic job of finding pieces that compliment Harden and Howard.

On the plus side though... After next season the Mavs will have a clean slate. Parsons obviously, Dirk, and Harris will be all that's left. They need to start thinking about the future.

It may end up being a rough next few years if Dallas doesnt land some talent in FA.

I don't follow the bold.

Are you talking about this summer or next?

Because right now all we have left is Parsons, Dirk, Harris, and Felton. That's it.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

I'm not sure why a Mav fan would be upset with this move. It is a great move for Dallas. Monta Ellis was **always** going to be a rental. He was never in their longe range plans. Nor should he have been. Now they can sign and trade him.

[UK2K]

I don't follow the bold.

Are you talking about this summer or next?

Because right now all we have left is Parsons, Dirk, Harris, and Felton. That's it.

Haha you're right.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DAL.html

Wow, I didn't know it came up that quick. Hate to say it man, but it looks like the Mavs are done until the Dirk era ends. Even a big FA signing wouldn't get you into the playoffs without Monta, and even then, there's no chance of winning it.

Get busy living, or get busy dying.

:cry:

[IncarceratedBob]

3 year MLE type deal for a role as a 6th man?

[DMAVS41]

I'm not sure why a Mav fan would be upset with this move. It is a great move for Dallas. Monta Ellis was **always** going to be a rental. He was never in their longe range plans. Nor should he have been. Now they can sign and trade him.

This move is fine.

I'm talking about what led to this move. Ellis was a good fit here and a great fit with Dirk.

The Mavs just did a shitty job building around them with Parsons.

This move now? Yea, it's better. Danny Green would be a better fit on this roster and we might be able to move Felton in the process if some larger deal with a sign and trade with Ellis.

We'll see though...it also could be a disaster as we basically don't have a team yet again.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Nothing led to this move. If you honestly believe that Monta was going to opt in then you are nuts. He wants to get PAID! No way to do that for settling about 8 mil for one more year.

[pastis]

You don't put Parsons around Ellis/Dirk...you put guys like Ariza/Tyson/Avery Bradley/Aminu...etc. Obvious then and obvious now.



thats exactly the point. parsons is sort of an antagonist on the court...

the only positive thing is, that looking back the offseason, Dirk showed that he still has a little bit gasoline in the tank. if we can reduce dirks minutes to 23-25 a game until playoffs would be great....but with this team right now we are in the lottery it the stacked west =D

i donnt wanna hear DJ DJ DJ, what an overrated scum. not worth max. not a franchise player. only franchise player are worth the max. not a game changer.

[DMAVS41]

Nothing led to this move. If you honestly believe that Monta was going to opt in then you are nuts. He wants to get PAID! No way to do that for settling about 8 mil for one more year.

Sigh....it's not him opting out.


It's that we aren't keeping him now...and for good reasons...it doesn't make sense on this team now.

I'm saying...if we had not made the poor moves prior to this...he would have opted out and we would have and he would have wanted to stay with us.

[kentatm]

I really don't see how you believe that Parsons was a bad signing. He was playing really well before he got hurt.

The real screw up was getting Rondo. It wrecked the offense and and messed up team chemistry. They also gave up several valuable pieces that could have probably been traded for Dragic who at minimum would have been a clear upgrade over Nelson and wouldn't have quit on the team like Rondo.

[pastis]

I really don't see how you believe that Parsons was a bad signing. He was playing really well before he got hurt.

The real screw up was getting Rondo. It wrecked the offense and and messed up team chemistry. They also gave up several valuable pieces that could have probably been traded for Dragic who at minimum would have been a clear upgrade over Nelson and wouldn't have quit on the team like Rondo.


yea, he didnt play that bad, but he just wasnt consistent. that is the point.

saying that, parsons just mentioned in an interview that he wants the ball more in his hands, more responsability, more shots.
so this is obvious against monta-ball.

thing is, that i dont see parsons as our "go to guy". he cant create is own shot, no go to move, just his pump fake who only works every third time. his shooting is way to inconsistent. his relative good shooting % this season was due to the fact, that he wasnt covered at all, he just had always free looks

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

I'm saying...if we had not made the poor moves prior to this...he would have opted out and we would have and he would have wanted to stay with us.

Um, the Mavs have ton of caproom now where they could sign him. The Parsons move did not make the Mavs not want Ellis.

They viewed him as a stopgap. He was ever going to be here long term.

[DMAVS41]

I really don't see how you believe that Parsons was a bad signing. He was playing really well before he got hurt.

The real screw up was getting Rondo. It wrecked the offense and and messed up team chemistry. They also gave up several valuable pieces that could have probably been traded for Dragic who at minimum would have been a clear upgrade over Nelson and wouldn't have quit on the team like Rondo.


A few things here.

1. Wright was going to be traded pretty much no matter what. He was an expiring deal and we weren't going to keep a guy that can't play important minutes in the playoffs when we would have had to pay him. So Wright wasn't very valuable to imo. Crowder was good, but Aminu is better and I don't think Aminu gets the burn he did with Crowder remaining here. Draft picks hurt though imo.

2. I think the Rondo trade was in large part due to our signing of Parsons. If we had filled out the roster differently...we wouldn't have needed to make that move nor would we have even thought to.

3. Totally agree about Dragic.

[DirkNowitzki41]

The Mavs royally ****ed up these past couple of years. My god.

We really had potential to have a great team if the Mavs built better around Dirk and Ellis. Ariza over Parsons would have been a tremendous start. (Dmavs is pretty much on point with his targets)

I hope Ellis finds a great situation. I'll be rooting hard for him wherever he goes. Really wished he was still a Mav. One of my favorites.

[DMAVS41]

I'm saying...if we had not made the poor moves prior to this...he would have opted out and we would have and he would have wanted to stay with us.

Um, the Mavs have ton of caproom now where they could sign him. The Parsons move did not make the Mavs not want Ellis.

They viewed him as a stopgap. He was ever going to be here long term.

This just isn't true.

And I never said it was only the Parsons signing...I said it was the Parsons signing that led to this point.

Which it just did.

Our team would just look so different and better if we used that money to sign the guys I talked about.

How can you deny that?

[kentatm]

A few things here.

1. Wright was going to be traded pretty much no matter what. He was an expiring deal and we weren't going to keep a guy that can't play important minutes in the playoffs when we would have had to pay him. So Wright wasn't very valuable to imo. Crowder was good, but Aminu is better and I don't think Aminu gets the burn he did with Crowder remaining here. Draft picks hurt though imo.

2. I think the Rondo trade was in large part due to our signing of Parsons. If we had filled out the roster differently...we wouldn't have needed to make that move nor would we have even thought to.

3. Totally agree about Dragic.


The Rondo trade was made b/c they decided to swing for the fence on the season. Wright was obvious trade bait. Barring injury, Monta was always going to opt out from the money he originally signed.

Their mistake was not heavily pursuing Dragic b/c they wrongly assumed he was not available.

It may have still been a poor fit for last year but it still would have given them the chance to re-sign him in the offseason while Monta moved on.

I just don't see getting a huge upgrade at SF as some sort of horrid move that screwed the team when the mistake was going after a PG that straight up quit b/c he was butthurt that a coach w/an NBA title wanted to have control over the offense while he got up to speed.


You keep pushing Ariza but I've seen plenty of him and I just dont think he is anywhere near as good a fit for Dallas as Parsons is long term. (and this is even w/the injury potential)

[DMAVS41]

The Rondo trade was made b/c they decided to swing for the fence on the season. Wright was obvious trade bait. Barring injury, Monta was always going to opt out from the money he originally signed.

Their mistake was not heavily pursuing Dragic b/c they wrongly assumed he was not available.

It may have still been a poor fit for last year but it still would have given them the chance to re-sign him in the offseason while Monta moved on.

I just don't see getting a huge upgrade at SF as some sort of horrid move that screwed the team when the mistake was going after a PG that straight up quit b/c he was butthurt that a coach w/an NBA title wanted to have control over the offense while he got up to speed.

You keep pushing Ariza but I've seen plenty of him and I just dont think he is anywhere near as good a fit for Dallas as Parsons is long term. (and this is even w/the injury potential)

I wasn't just pushing Ariza. I pushed Ariza and IT (or other guard)...and if we do that...not only is our team better, but we don't make that Rondo trade because it wouldn't make sense. I'm confused here. You don't see how spending all of our cap on a sf while leaving guard incredibly thin didn't directly lead to us making a trade for a pg? Seems obvious the clear relation there.

We'd have made a different trade....because trading Wright/Crowder and a pick was smart and we should have...we just picked the wrong guy.

Of course Ellis was always going to opt out...but now we don't want to keep him (rightfully so...because it doesn't make sense on this team).

I feel like the 14 Mavs are extremely under-rated here. We were just a couple guys away from having a true contending team. Moving Calderon for Tyson was huge. We didn't need to go out and try to get a guy like Parsons that needs the ball a lot. We needed to fill out the roster and then make a move with the trade bait.

We'll see what happens, but as of now, our team is Dirk, Parsons, Harris, and Felton.

To me, that is pretty shitty considering our options in the summer of 14.

[StephHamann]

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/m1-tank-9.jpg

Maybe one team is stupid enough to give us a pick for Chandler Bang.

[pastis]

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/m1-tank-9.jpg

Maybe one team is stupid enough to give us a pick for Chandler Bang.

lol wer? w

[UK2K]

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/m1-tank-9.jpg

Maybe one team is stupid enough to give us a pick for Chandler Bang.

I swear you were one of the ones running it when Parsons spurned the Rockets to go to the dark side.

[StephHamann]

I swear you were one of the ones running it when Parsons spurned the Rockets to go to the dark side.

He's a good player, that's why he has to leave. But it's hard to trade him with that contract.

[StephHamann]

[QUOTE=pastis]lol wer? w