Kevin Love has opted out...

[niko]

Per STEIN

[UK2K]

He gone.


The Cleveland Cavaliers have repeatedly said they plan on re-signing Kevin Love this offseason.

But executives around the NBA predict the Cavaliers will eventually agree upon a sign-and-trade involving Love. The Cavaliers would be able to recoup rotation players and picks by dealing Love, while also making their big man rotation make more sense.

For Love to be worthy of a max contract, Love needs to be a higher usage player as he was with the Minnesota Timberwolves.

“LeBron (James) needs to have the ball so much for you to be as good as you can be, and you need to be very selective about the guys who get to have it when he doesn’t,” David Griffin said. “You cannot have too much ball dominance around him.”

The Cavaliers are fairly certain to keep Tristan Thompson over Love given the fact that Thompson has the same agent as James.

[Mr. Jabbar]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[IncarceratedBob]

hilarious. nobody is giving him a max deal. he's oft injured and he's a black hole defensively. i say lakers or celtics sign him 4 years 60 million

[TheMarkMadsen]

:roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

He gone.


translation

"Love doesn't want to play with that ball hog Lebron"

[DMAVS41]

This could get insane.

[Legends66NBA7]

If there is a sign and trade, they'll get some players back to fit around LeBron and Irving.


Love isn't taking a team anywhere as the first option.

[EllisGW]

Why is this news? Water is wet

[Quickening]

I hope this is true, not worth max on a tea contending for championships, too shitty on defence. Wonder who Cavs could bring in...

[ArbitraryWater]

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forreal doe, Cavs could get a sick player or combo for him.

[FireDavidKahn]

Thanks Cleveland.:cheers:

[DMAVS41]

Why is this news? Water is wet

It's not opting out...it's the fact that in the blurb it says most expect the Cavs to do a sign and trade.

Which is news....not for sure or anything obviously, but losing Love here could really hurt them depending on what they get back.

That Love trade might look horrendous when it's all said and done...or it might look great. Time will tell.

[r15mohd]

I hope this is true, not worth max on a tea contending for championships, too shitty on defence. Wonder who Cavs could bring in...


LMA has said Cleveland was a top choice of his :banghead:

however him opting out was a foreseeable option to gain more money in the long run...still a high probability he re-signs too...he's not gone, just yet

[jayfan]

From the beginning, he was going to opt out and then re-sign. So this alone is not news.




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[longtime lurker]

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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

JAN 13, 2015 3:25 PM

"I think that we will figure it out here, so I don't plan on opting out or any of that," Love said. "I plan on being here. As far as leaving my options open, I mean sure, it's always there. At the end of the day, it's always good to have something but no, I plan on being here."

"I've said all along that I plan on being a Cavalier long-term," Love said. "As we continue to evolve, my role will continue to evolve. It's still a process where I'm figuring it out.

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[EllisGW]

It's not opting out...it's the fact that in the blurb it says most expect the Cavs to do a sign and trade.

Which is news....not for sure or anything obviously, but losing Love here could really hurt them depending on what they get back.

That Love trade might look horrendous when it's all said and done...or it might look great. Time will tell.


Wtf? Where is this sign and trade info? There no sources saying that it's just people guessing. We have no idea love is gonna do

[UK2K]

Wtf? Where is this sign and trade info? There no sources saying that it's just people guessing. We have no idea love is gonna do

They're not going to let Love walk for nothing, and they sure aren't going to pay him $15m per year.

[bdreason]

Gut feeling. I think he ends up on the Lakers.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

They're not going to let Love walk for nothing, and they sure aren't going to pay him $15m per year.


They have no rights on his contract. They don't get to let Love do anything. He's a free agent already. :confusedshrug:

[r15mohd]

They're not going to let Love walk for nothing, and they sure aren't going to pay him $15m per year.


he can make that, and even more...he's going the Lebron route

-He's can re-sign with Cavs on a 1+1 deal and get a $1-3mil raise for 2015-2016 season, I believe, $18-19mil from his $16.7 opt-in number.
-Or he signs a 5 year max for $110 ( i think) with a 3rd yr option and then re-signs (wherever to something worth 5yrs-$220mil when the cap increases + raises)

pretty crazy!

[L8krH8tr]

Gut feeling. I think he ends up on the Lakers.

from a championship contender to an 8th seed dream.

[Heavincent]

I think he resigns with the Cavs.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Lakers here I come!

[HurricaneKid]

They're not going to let Love walk for nothing, and they sure aren't going to pay him $15m per year.

No, they are going to pay him quite a bit more. 7 yr NBA vet max is 5/95 or so(?). Done. That offer is on the table. In three years his max would be like 44M/.

They were 33-3 their last 36 games with Ky, LBJ, and KLove. LOL at all the haters who are saying he can't contribute.

[Cold soul]

Love is coming back home to LA.

[francesco totti]

This will pretty much testify his career & what type of player he is. To dump a team who made the finals without you, to go to a team not contending just to put up empty stats.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This will pretty much testify his career & what type of player he is. To dump a team who made the finals without you, to go to a team not contending just to put up empty stats.

:oldlol:

Ask Bran to be a spot-up shooter for his team, and see if he sticks around.

[DMAVS41]

Wtf? Where is this sign and trade info? There no sources saying that it's just people guessing. We have no idea love is gonna do

There is a quote on the first page saying just that.

Yep. We heve no idea what is going to happen. Totally agree.

And that was the danger all along for the Cavs when giving up that much for Love without getting back more or giving up less.

We'll see what happens.

I hope they make it work and he stays.

[r15mohd]

:oldlol:

Ask Bran to be a spot-up shooter for his team, and see if he sticks around.


well being a spot up shooter for Lebron gets you to the Finals...showing up to the Finals as spot up shooter for Lebron gets you a title...problem is when you dont show up for whatever the reason may be (injury[Love's case] or just absent from the series with your shot [JR Smith]) for the Finals :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

:oldlol:

Ask Bran to be a spot-up shooter for his team, and see if he sticks around.

I wonder if the emergence of TT in the playoffs/finals has thrown a wrench into what might have been a done deal on both sides.

I still would bet he signs an 1 and 1 with the Cavs....or a full max over leaving, but you never know with this shit.

If the Lakers make a big move tomorrow...like Cousins for example...damn that would be hard to pass up for him I bet.

[r15mohd]

There is a quote on the first page saying just that.

Yep. We heve no idea what is going to happen. Totally agree.

And that was the danger all along for the Cavs when giving up that much for Love without getting back more or giving up less.

We'll see what happens.

I hope they make it work and he stays.


likely he stays...but there are other viable options for the Cavs with the $16mil theyd have to spend, and then some. not to mention JR's 6-mil likely going too. TT's contract gets worked and they grab another 3+D guy?

[DMAVS41]

well being a spot up shooter for Lebron gets you to the Finals...showing up to the Finals as spot up shooter for Lebron gets you a title...problem is when you dont show up for whatever the injury may be (injury[Love's case] or just absent from the series with your shot [JR Smith]) for the Finals :confusedshrug:

LeBron doesn't always show up in the finals though...and he certainly doesn't shoot well when he gets there.

And getting to the finals playing on loaded teams in the East really isn't something to jump up and down about.

[dazzer87]

Hopefully Love goes to LA! Come on Mitch get it done!

[r15mohd]

B-b-b-but Bran makes stars better:oldlol: :oldlol:

14 Love: 26/12/4 on 46/38/82 shooting
15 Love: 17/10/2 on 43/36/80 shooting
isnt ur efficiency supposed to get better in a reduced role:oldlol: :oldlol:


he actually was pretty good for the 2nd half of the season, and into the 1st round against the C's....those stats are misleading to the Cavs 1st half of the season woes :no:

[DMAVS41]

likely he stays...but there are other viable options for the Cavs with the $16mil theyd have to spend, and then some. not to mention JR's 6-mil likely going too. TT's contract gets worked and they grab another 3+D guy?

The Cavs don't have cap if Love leaves. That isn't how it works.

Only a sign and trade works...the Cavs can't add players if Love leaves without a sign and trade.

[francesco totti]

:oldlol:

Ask Bran to be a spot-up shooter for his team, and see if he sticks around.

Winning should matter more. Neither Lebron nor Wade were averagin what they could when they came together. But they sacrificed.
Alot of other players made sacrifices for their game in order to win as well. They put winning above everything.

He is simply walking away from winning oportunity to average more numbers.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Winning should matter more. Neither Lebron nor Wade were averagin what they could when they came together. But they sacrificed.
Alot of other players made sacrifices for their game in order to win as well. They put winning above everything.

He is simply walking away from winning oportunity to average more numbers.

I agree - but, LeBron would never make that sacrifice. You're kidding yourself if you actually believe that.

[jzek]

He's a Cali boy anyway. Let him go to the Lakers. That's always been his dream.

[r15mohd]

The Cavs don't have cap if Love leaves. That isn't how it works.

Only a sign and trade works...the Cavs can't add players if Love leaves without a sign and trade.


understand that...but they're not sitting on their hands and watching him go. you can surely believe Haywood, Love and filler(s) deal is thrown together in return for something viable

[bdreason]

from a championship contender to an 8th seed dream.


Love is young. He doesn't need to ring chase. Look at how celebrated he was in Minnesota, despite playing on a losing club. He's now considered a MAX player because of what he did on the Wolves. His time on the Cavs has been nothing but negative, to the point that some people were actually questioning if the Cavs were a better team without Love.

[r15mohd]

I agree - but, LeBron would never make that sacrifice. You're kidding yourself if you actually believe that.

Lebron sacrificing lessens the chances of winning though...your logic is flawed on this

[RedBlackAttack]

There is a quote on the first page saying just that.

Yep. We heve no idea what is going to happen. Totally agree.

And that was the danger all along for the Cavs when giving up that much for Love without getting back more or giving up less.

We'll see what happens.

I hope they make it work and he stays.
I remember making that argument back when everyone -- including 99% of the people on this board -- said getting Love for whatever it took was a no-brainer. I wanted some kind of assurance that he was staying to even consider giving up Wiggins.

Well... here we are. If Love re-signs, his opting out will have been a great thing because his max deal will look like a bargain in a couple years. But, if he leaves...

Yikes. Terrible.

[nba_55]

What's so surprising about this? We all knew he would opt out and resign with Cavs.

[UK2K]

There is a quote on the first page saying just that.

Yep. We heve no idea what is going to happen. Totally agree.

And that was the danger all along for the Cavs when giving up that much for Love without getting back more or giving up less.

We'll see what happens.

I hope they make it work and he stays.

He will be re-signed and traded with his bird rights. Love (and his contract) is worth three or four solid role payers. That will benefit Lebron more than another superstar.

Keep Kyrie. Keep Lebron you have Mozgov and Thomspon already. Sign you a SG, and get you a bench, and you're rolling to the championship in the lEast.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I wonder if the emergence of TT in the playoffs/finals has thrown a wrench into what might have been a done deal on both sides.

I still would bet he signs an 1 and 1 with the Cavs....or a full max over leaving, but you never know with this shit.

If the Lakers make a big move tomorrow...like Cousins for example...damn that would be hard to pass up for him I bet.

Cousins and Love would be must-see television dude.

Love could move and play in Los Angeles for a GREAT team, where he went to college. If LMA signs back w/ Portland, he could also move back home over there. There's quite a few options for him, but being one of the lead-guys in LA could offer a lot more in endorsements. More money than being the 2nd or 3rd fiddle in Cleveland.

Cleveland shouldn't be a foregone conclusion.

[04mzwach]

What's so surprising about this? We all knew he would opt out and resign with Cavs.
Now they announced he is testing free agency. He's loyal to no one and can't be trusted.

[DMAVS41]

understand that...but they're not sitting on their hands and watching him go. you can surely believe Haywood, Love and filler(s) deal is thrown together in return for something viable

Of course, and it doesn't have to be all one move. They could sign and trade love and then use the Haywood contract and a pick to get something.

The Suns have a ton of assets...they might be interested.

But these things aren't always that easy.

What if Love wants to go to the Lakers. What the hell are they sending back if they trade Randle and the 2 for Cousins or something before this all happens?

[outbreak]

Wasn't the plan to opt out and resign for the new tv deal

[nba_55]

Now they announced he is testing free agency. He's loyal to no one and can't be trusted.

Kevin Love announced that?

[Cocaine80s]

Love+Thompson for Davis

[Heavincent]

Now they announced he is testing free agency. He's loyal to no one and can't be trusted.

Why would he be loyal?

[niko]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 32m32 minutes ago
Sources: If Kevin Love goes forward with visits in July, expect Boston to sell him on pursuing group of Love, Robin Lopez and...Paul Pierce.

[Fallen Angel]

Now they announced he is testing free agency. He's loyal to no one and can't be trusted.
He's a NBA player dumbass, he has the freedom to sign with which ever team he wants. You're a ****ing retard.

You have a player in your avi who's played for four different teams and you wanna talk about loyalty.

Log off, kid.

[Cocaine80s]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 32m32 minutes ago
Sources: If Kevin Love goes forward with visits in July, expect Boston to sell him on pursuing group of Love, Robin Lopez and...Paul Pierce.
As if Boston has a chance now :oldlol:

[nba_55]

As if Boston has a chance now :oldlol:

No team has a chance apart from Cavs, it's the media wanting to create drama and making money.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron sacrificing lessens the chances of winning though...your logic is flawed on this

Does it? He's 2/6 in the finals, and has left a ton of room for improvement.

I'm just playing devils advocate here, but too many people are talking in certainties. You couldn't possibly know that unless we were to see the actual hypothetical drawn up, in real games.

[niko]

Boston's plan fills me with giggles. Robin Lopez? He wants in? Then Love is so moved by Lopez he comes on. Then Pierce uproots his family again not to sunny LA (or stays in Washington) but back to Boston to play not for Doc but a new coach?

That plan feels Knick like. It relies on Player A to bring in B to bring in C. And even it if works, that team is what? a 5 seed quick out?

[ArbitraryWater]

I agree - but, LeBron would never make that sacrifice. You're kidding yourself if you actually believe that.

sacrifizing what?

[r15mohd]

Does it? He's 2/6 in the finals, and has left a ton of room for improvement.

I'm just playing devils advocate here, but too many people are talking in certainties. You couldn't possibly know that unless we were to see the actual hypothetical drawn up, in real games.


2/6 is all hyperbole at face value...context shows 3 of those losses had some of the worse supporting casts alongside Lebron. Wade/Bosh being absent in 2014, Cavs 2015 and Cavs 2007 as opposed to their regular season stardom in their respective years.

you don't need actuality to show that Love was a benefit in the Finals instead of what actually played out. they needed a legit 2nd option, which he would have been had he been available, and kept the lane more clear for Lebron at the rim. yes, all "hypothetical" but no need to be naive to it.

[StephHamann]

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[r15mohd]

Of course, and it doesn't have to be all one move. They could sign and trade love and then use the Haywood contract and a pick to get something.

The Suns have a ton of assets...they might be interested.

But these things aren't always that easy.

What if Love wants to go to the Lakers. What the hell are they sending back if they trade Randle and the 2 for Cousins or something before this all happens?


definitely staggered or multi-teamed...especially in the case of him going to Lakers after a Cousins' deal. someone is gonna reward the Cavs something or take some unneeded weight in Haywood, etc.

[Fallen Angel]

Boston's plan fills me with giggles. Robin Lopez? He wants in? Then Love is so moved by Lopez he comes on. Then Pierce uproots his family again not to sunny LA (or stays in Washington) but back to Boston to play not for Doc but a new coach?

That plan feels Knick like. It relies on Player A to bring in B to bring in C. And even it if works, that team is what? a 5 seed quick out?
They play in the shitty ass Atlantic Division, they can easily get home court.

They only lost 9 more games than the imploding Raptors

[Torious]

understand that...but they're not sitting on their hands and watching him go. you can surely believe Haywood, Love and filler(s) deal is thrown together in return for something viable

Haywood? Really? Haywood is owed something like 10mil+ next season, you'd almost have to throw in Love for free to get rid of him. I highly doubt you'll get any value out of that contract, expiring or not.

[DMAVS41]

definitely staggered or multi-teamed...especially in the case of him going to Lakers after a Cousins' deal. someone is gonna reward the Cavs something or take some unneeded weight in Haywood, etc.

The Haywood contract isn't unneeded weight...it might very well be the most valuable trade contract in the history if the NBA.

That is a huge trade piece for the Cavs...nobody is just taking that like it's doing the Cavs a favor.

The Cavs would expect to get a quality player or players back for that thing. It allows a team to essentially remove a bad contract or player for any reason with no cost as they can waive the 10 million Haywood contract and not have to pay it.


I'm just saying...if Love were to say he wanted to sign with the Lakers after the Lakers traded away all their young players. What could the Lakers possibly offer the Cavs back?

Yea, you could get a 3rd team involved, but what else are the Lakers going to be able to give up to make that work? Especially if Love were to sign the 1 and 1 deal with the Lakers...the difference in money just isn't that much.

I'd imagine this all works out, but the point we learn every year...sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes guys just leave. LeBron has done it twice now. Boozer did it to the Cavs. On and on we have examples of guys wanting out or signing with other teams.

Love can now do whatever he wants. We just don't know what he wants, but I seriously doubt TT coming into his own is helping his situation. Because he's not going to get the playing time to warrant a max contract if he stays on the Cavs and signs and 1 and 1 like everyone expected a couple months ago.

Now, if the Cavs have assured him they will no matter what..then that is stuff we don't know, but can he really bank on that? I doubt his agent would be great with that.

This stuff can get really tricky...

[DMAVS41]

Haywood? Really? Haywood is owed something like 10mil+ next season, you'd almost have to throw in Love for free to get rid of him. I highly doubt you'll get any value out of that contract, expiring or not.


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[r15mohd]

Haywood? Really? Haywood is owed something like 10mil+ next season, you'd almost have to throw in Love for free to get rid of him. I highly doubt you'll get any value out of that contract, expiring or not.

1yr expirer contract...many teams take this type of contract with a remaining yr on when it's very minimal yrs left (most case scenarios being 1yr I'd assume)

if its apart of the Love deal, and the team really wants love...they'll eat the $10mil for the year at the benefit of Love for multi-yrs

[Derka]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 32m32 minutes ago
Sources: If Kevin Love goes forward with visits in July, expect Boston to sell him on pursuing group of Love, Robin Lopez and...Paul Pierce.
Curious who Wojo's sources are on that one because this Celtics fan thinks that sounds absurd.

Love Paul Pierce but his Celtic days are done. I really was hoping he'd finish his career in Washington or even in LA. He doesn't need to come back here to play for Brad Stevens.

[DMAVS41]

Guys...please listen.

Haywood's contract is not a normal contract. The team owning it can waive it before the year.

So it allows you to make a trade with a team...and then the team that gets it doesn't have to pay Haywood.

How do you guys not know this?

[Droid101]

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[bdreason]

I believe Haywood's contract is only partially guaranteed. Meaning whoever trades for him, can cut him, and only pay him a fraction of the $10M.

[r15mohd]

Guys...please listen.

Haywood's contract is not a normal contract. The team owning it can waive it before the year.

So it allows you to make a trade with a team...and then the team that gets it doesn't have to pay Haywood.

How do you guys not know this?

didnt know it could be waived...definitely puts leverage in the Cavs court

[Fallen Angel]

You main forumers need to calm down and realize that there is no way in God's green Earth that Cleveland has leverage in this.

They could sign him to 5 years/$100 million, but they won't, they wouldn't even think about it.

Cleveland has to pay Lebron max money when he becomes a free agent, they have to pay Tristan Thompson his 5 years/$75 million, they have Kyrie kicking in his max deal, they have Anderson Varejao kicking in his new $10 million per year contract, and they just accepted Mozgov's team option.

Boston and Los Angeles will offer him the most money and an opportunity to be the best player on his own team, New York can offer him the most money too, but he has to share the ball with another ball dominant scorer in Carmelo, Cleveland will offer him the opportunity to ride coattails to the Finals at an extreme discount rate.

He's gone.

[jayfan]

They have no rights on his contract. They don't get to let Love do anything. He's a free agent already. :confusedshrug:

Yes, but Cleveland still retains Bird rights and a cap hold.



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[HurricaneKid]

The Haywood deal is like a wild card that makes a lot of deals work financially. There is no reason to use that in the Love deal that would be a big enough deal not to need anything like that added. It would only be necessary if the Cavs were taking in north of 22M in salary. Which almost no team would be looking to offload.

I don't get why this is a deal at all. Everyone knew he was going to opt out. His salary next year goes up 2.2M by opting out. And he probably also adds some more guaranteed money and another player year at the least.

[DMAVS41]

You main forumers need to calm down and realize that there is no way in God's green Earth that Cleveland has leverage in this.

They could sign him to 5 years/$100 million, but they won't, they wouldn't even think about it.

Cleveland has to pay Lebron max money when he becomes a free agent, they have to pay Tristan Thompson his 5 years/$75 million, they have Kyrie kicking in his max deal, they have Anderson Varejao kicking in his new $10 million per year contract, and they just accepted Mozgov's team option.

Boston and Los Angeles will offer him the most money and an opportunity to be the best player on his own team, New York can offer him the most money too, but he has to share the ball with another ball dominant scorer in Carmelo, Cleveland will offer him the opportunity to ride coattails to the Finals at an extreme discount rate.

He's gone.


No he's not. We simply don't know.

I will say...if I was Love...I'd sign a 1 and 1 somewhere like LA or Boston (or Portland if LMA leaves).

I'd much rather do that then stay with the Cavs....a place where I won't get the minutes to earn another super max contract if I sign a 1 and 1....and if I don't and I sign for the max now...I just left millions of dollars on the table.

[DMAVS41]

The Haywood deal is like a wild card that makes a lot of deals work financially. There is no reason to use that in the Love deal that would be a big enough deal not to need anything like that added. It would only be necessary if the Cavs were taking in north of 22M in salary. Which almost no team would be looking to offload.

I don't get why this is a deal at all. Everyone knew he was going to opt out. His salary next year goes up 2.2M by opting out. And he probably also adds some more guaranteed money and another player year at the least.

Because the emergence of TT has thrown a wrench into things possibly.

If Love signs a 1 and 1....and stays on the Cavs. There is a good chance that nobody wants to give him the super max deal after next season when the new cap hits.

If he stays and signs to his full max on the Cavs right now...he'll have left millions up millions on the table once the cap increases following next season.

I'm not saying he's going by any stretch, but this isn't just a formality. It's a legit decision assuming all parties are playing by the rules.

[chocolatethunder]

[/B]

No he's not. We simply don't know.

I will say...if I was Love...I'd sign a 1 and 1 somewhere like LA or Boston (or Portland if LMA leaves).

I'd much rather do that then stay with the Cavs....a place where I won't get the minutes to earn another super max contract if I sign a 1 and 1....and if I don't and I sign for the max now...I just left millions of dollars on the table.
it's not even about the minutes it's that neither Blatt nor Bron nor Kyrie wanna give him the ball. It is just a bad fit for him in Cleveland. He can still be a really good player on a really good team, just not that team. If I were him I would gtfo immediately.

[jayfan]

A sign-and-trade would be more beneficial to Love than signing elsewhere as a free agent. Could be a win-win for both parties.



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[Cocaine80s]

Love would be dumb to leave though

Lebron turns 31 this year. Love and Kyrie would probably take over in a couple years

[Duderonomy]

It's a simple deal he opted out of $16 mil he can either
A).Sign a one year deal for a max of 18 mil. Then wait till the cap rises.
B)sign long term with the cavs (if he fears injuries or a drop in production would cost him a max deal in 2016)
C)sign elsewhere. Celtics and Lakers had been mentioned.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Maybe if the Cavs ask really nicely the Wolves will give Wiggins back for him :roll:

[DMAVS41]

it's not even about the minutes it's that neither Blatt nor Bron nor Kyrie wanna give him the ball. It is just a bad fit for him in Cleveland. He can still be a really good player on a really good team, just not that team. If I were him I would gtfo immediately.

Yea...it's about more, but we already knew the ball situation going in.

The new thing that has emerged is that TT is going to get more burn next year and he's also getting paid. You don't pay a guy 75 million to not play them.

Yes, Love and TT can play a lot together, but it's also eating into Love's minutes a little.

So when you factor it all in...it's dangerous for Love to sign a 1 and 1 on this Cavs team. His stock might fall too much to get the super max.

And again, if he signs for his max now...it's a ton of money left on the table.

[Fallen Angel]

[/B]

No he's not. We simply don't know.

I will say...if I was Love...I'd sign a 1 and 1 somewhere like LA or Boston (or Portland if LMA leaves).

I'd much rather do that then stay with the Cavs....a place where I won't get the minutes to earn another super max contract if I sign a 1 and 1....and if I don't and I sign for the max now...I just left millions of dollars on the table.
He's gonna be 27 years old and asked to take less than max money to be Channing Frye.

Why would any man in the world pass up millions of dollars and with your prize you could spot up in the corner for the NBA Finals.

Kevin Love has unlimited financial potential with marketing going to a major metropolitan city like New York, Boston, or Los Angeles than being stuck as a role player in Cleveland.

**** rings, those will come with time.

I'd rather be rich than having to pawn my ring because I can't pay my bills.

[MUGEN]

Haynes

"LeBron James won't be re-recruiting Kevin Love, I'm told. He believes Love understands he can be a part of something special. It's his call."

He is gonna re-sign

[r15mohd]

He's gonna be 27 years old and asked to take less than max money to be Channing Frye.

Why would any man in the world pass up millions of dollars and with your prize you could spot up in the corner for the NBA Finals.

Kevin Love has unlimited financial potential with marketing going to a major metropolitan city like New York, Boston, or Los Angeles than being stuck as a role player in Cleveland.

**** rings, those will come with time.

I'd rather be rich than having to pawn my ring because I can't pay my bills.


yeah...that 16mil compared to 18mil difference is really gonna prevent him from paying his bills! :confusedshrug: :rolleyes: :facepalm

[Droid101]

yeah...that 16mil compared to 18mil difference is really gonna prevent him from paying his bills! :confusedshrug: :rolleyes: :facepalm
Dude, the max is going to be closer to 25 million when the cap goes up the year after next. He's going to lose tens of millions over the contract if he signs a max this year.

[Kblaze8855]

Look around the NBA. Kevin Love doesnt have to do anything to get a max deal but ask for one. Guys who are 70% of Kevin Love get max offers. 39 players made over 13 million last season.

Love is probably better or more desirable for a team than 31 of them.

And with the new tv money coming in?

Im not sure 100% of the teams in the NBA wouldnt offer him the max if they had the cap space. He gets the most money the NBA allows if he wants it.

But thats the if....

[Mr. Jabbar]

Maybe if the Cavs ask really nicely the Wolves will give Wiggins back for him :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

cavs with another huge L :oldlol:

[HurricaneKid]

Because the emergence of TT has thrown a wrench into things possibly.

If Love signs a 1 and 1....and stays on the Cavs. There is a good chance that nobody wants to give him the super max deal after next season when the new cap hits.

If he stays and signs to his full max on the Cavs right now...he'll have left millions up millions on the table once the cap increases following next season.

I'm not saying he's going by any stretch, but this isn't just a formality. It's a legit decision assuming all parties are playing by the rules.

I'm pretty sure you lose Bird rights on a 1+1 deal. It has to be a full 2 year guaranty and even then its somewhat limited (see Millsap/Carroll).

I'm CERTAIN there is some kind of back room agreement in place. What that is, I have NO IDEA. A 5 year deal now looks like ~100M. A 5 year deal in 3 years looks like 5/220M. I don't know if he would be able to get a deal like that but yes, it certainly does make you think.

[r15mohd]

Dude, the max is going to be closer to 25 million when the cap goes up the year after next. He's going to lose tens of millions over the contract if he signs a max this year.

ohh this i know as far as long term...it's why i expect the 1+1 and resigning later for a max to gain as much as possible. even a 5yr deal now, then a 4th yr option to get an even greater max deal.

my point was him staying in his contract now hurts him financially, yes...but the word "hurt" is pretty dumb in him making a 16 mil to 18mil difference doesn't change anyones lifestyle to literally hurt a player.

and at that notion, id think you give up $2mil for the chance at some jewelry to your name rather than being known for the guy that never made it out the playoff's as a leader? :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Look around the NBA. Kevin Love doesnt have to do anything to get a max deal but ask for one. Guys who are 70% of Kevin Love get max offers. 39 players made over 13 million last season.

Love is probably better or more desirable for a team than 31 of them.

And with the new tv money coming in?

Im not sure 100% of the teams in the NBA wouldnt offer him the max if they had the cap space. He gets the most money the NBA allows if he wants it.

But thats the if....

This is true currently and within this cap.

With the huge cap increase coming...It's not a surefire thing.

What if Love puts up 16/10/2 next year while playing a little less and misses 35 games due to injury?

Are teams still lining up to super max him? I won't say I know for sure, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion at all.

[DMAVS41]

I'm pretty sure you lose Bird rights on a 1+1 deal. It has to be a full 2 year guaranty and even then its somewhat limited (see Millsap/Carroll).

I'm CERTAIN there is some kind of back room agreement in place. What that is, I have NO IDEA. A 5 year deal now looks like ~100M. A 5 year deal in 3 years looks like 5/220M. I don't know if he would be able to get a deal like that but yes, it certainly does make you think.


Not sure. I thought Love could sign for 1 year with the raise with a 2nd year player option...then opt out after next season and get the full max. That has been reported, but I don't know the rules well enough to say so.



That is what we don't know.

We simply don't know what else is going on behind closed doors.

But if everyone is playing by the rules...this is not the easy decision a lot are making it out to be imo.

[r15mohd]

This is true currently and within this cap.

With the huge cap increase coming...It's not a surefire thing.

What if Love puts up 16/10/2 next year while playing a little less and misses 35 games due to injury?

Are teams still lining up to super max him? I won't say I know for sure, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion at all.

if Wes Matthew gets paid this summer then the answer is yes...some team will certianly pay him heavily. same goes for DWade...if a team gifts him what he wants in the $50-60mil over 3yrs, then Love has no worries for his future in getting paid

stupid logic by the GMs but is what it is

[UK2K]

A sign-and-trade would be more beneficial to Love than signing elsewhere as a free agent. Could be a win-win for both parties.



.


I can almost guarantee that is happening.

Cavs aren't letting him walk, and they could use his cap money on a deeper bench. Lebron doesn't need a star, he needs a team.

[DMAVS41]

if Wes Matthew gets paid this summer then the answer is yes...some team will certianly pay him heavily. same goes for DWade...if a team gifts him what he wants in the $50-60mil over 3yrs, then Love has no worries for his future in getting paid

stupid logic by the GMs but is what it is

he will get paid...that part is obvious.

i'm asking whether a team will super max him.

there is a difference.

[r15mohd]

he will get paid...that part is obvious.

i'm asking whether a team will super max him.

there is a difference.


Bosh got it, and was getting it from Houston too...and Bosh was way worse than what KLove brings to the table IMO

[DMAVS41]

Bosh got it, and was getting it from Houston too...and Bosh was way worse than what KLove brings to the table IMO

True, but that was under the old cap.

I wonder if the new cap is going to differentiate a little bit more.

If what you say is true, and it very well might be, then Love signing to a max now is beyond stupid....seems like it's stupid regardless. Which is why I'm not following these reports about him signing a 5 year deal.

[SwishSquared]

Not sure. I thought Love could sign for 1 year with the raise with a 2nd year player option...then opt out after next season and get the full max. That has been reported, but I don't know the rules well enough to say so.



That is what we don't know.

We simply don't know what else is going on behind closed doors.

But if everyone is playing by the rules...this is not the easy decision a lot are making it out to be imo.I think Hurricane Kid is right- he can only the do the 1+1 and have Bird Rights in Cleveland. That's why ATL is in a jam trying to shed salary if they want to bring back Carroll and Millsap at market value b/c they signed 2-year deals.

If he wants to get a supermax in 2016, sign a 1+1 this summer, and leave CLE, he needs to find somebody who has the ~$30M in cap space in 2016 for just his contract (not to mention build a team around him). That would be teams like the Knicks, Lakers (sans Cousins), Boston, etc.

Also, if he does a S&T, the contract has to be at least 3 years, no more than four, and only 1 year can be a player option. A 1+1 is impossible in that scenario.

[imnew09]

Wiggins for a year rental who didn't contribute much in the playoff


LOLCAVS just as bad as LOLCATS

[Bobcats2013]

Go to LA, sign a 1+1 and stat pad with DCousins, then get the ultra max next year from the Lakers.

[DMAVS41]

I think Hurricane Kid is right- he can only the do the 1+1 and have Bird Rights in Cleveland. That's why ATL is in a jam trying to shed salary if they want to bring back Carroll and Millsap at market value b/c they signed 2-year deals.

If he wants to get a supermax in 2016, sign a 1+1 this summer, and leave CLE, he needs to find somebody who has the ~$30M in cap space in 2016 for just his contract next year (not to mention build a team around him). That would be teams like the Knicks, Lakers (sans Cousins), Boston, etc.

Also, if he does a S&T, the contract has to be at least 3 years, no more than four, and only 1 year can be a player option. A 1+1 is impossible in that scenario.


So the only place he can sign a 1+1 is on the Cavs?

[r15mohd]

True, but that was under the old cap.

I wonder if the new cap is going to differentiate a little bit more.

If what you say is true, and it very well might be, then Love signing to a max now is beyond stupid....seems like it's stupid regardless. Which is why I'm not following these reports about him signing a 5 year deal.

a 5yr with a 4th yr player option makes sense too...he can then resign for a max again and still gain some good funds at that point

i do agree the 1+1 is the best scenario but I wouldnt discredit the 5yr deal with an option down the line. maybe he wants some added security with a 5yr deal knowing he's a bit injury prone :confusedshrug:

[NattyPButter]

why is this just now news? Most Cavs fans already knew he was opting out along with Lebron. They are both going to resign but who knows what kind of contracts. These could be low priced 1 year contracts to get a good player or players on the team. Then they'll sign their big contracts the year the TV deal kicks in big.

[SwishSquared]

So the only place he can sign a 1+1 is on the Cavs?That's the only place he can get a supermax in 2016 via Bird Rights I think if he does a 1+1 this summer. Anywhere else, he has to be signed via cap space next offseason.

[SwishSquared]

Via Woj from 1 hour ago (unsure if you've read this)


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1h1 hour ago

Cleveland remains the frontrunner to sign Love to a five-year, $100M-plus extension, but Love could be willing to hear out Celtics, Lakers.

[DMAVS41]

a 5yr with a 4th yr player option makes sense too...he can then resign for a max again and still gain some good funds at that point

i do agree the 1+1 is the best scenario but I wouldnt discredit the 5yr deal with an option down the line. maybe he wants some added security with a 5yr deal knowing he's a bit injury prone :confusedshrug:

Perhaps, but I don't understand why he wouldn't do the 1 and 1 with the Cavs then if everyone is so sure he'll get paid regardless of how this upcoming season unfolds.

Seems like the 4 year deal with a 5th year player option helps everyone but him.

[DMAVS41]

That's the only place he can get a supermax in 2016 via Bird Rights I think if he does a 1+1 this summer. Anywhere else, he has to be signed via cap space next offseason.

But could he sign a 1+1 on the Celtics or Knicks or Lakers...and still get the max via cap space....right?

[SwishSquared]

Perhaps, but I don't understand why he wouldn't do the 1 and 1 with the Cavs then if everyone is so sure he'll get paid regardless of how this upcoming season unfolds.

Seems like the 4 year deal with a 5th year player option helps everyone but him.If he feels he can get a supermax anywhere next year, doing a 1+1 this summer with Cleveland allows him to hedge his bet somewhat. Worst case scenario, demand supermax from Cleveland, and they can re-sign him using Bird Rights. Even if it's for 25%, and not supermax, of the cap then he still stands to benefit signing next summer a multi-year deal vs. now

[SwishSquared]

But could he sign a 1+1 on the Celtics or Knicks or Lakers...and still get the max via cap space....right?Absolutely. My bad if my posts weren't clear. Just would take smart cap management on those teams' parts. They can't spend too crazy this summer in otherwords.

[bdreason]

Kevin Love isn't LeBron James. Signing a 1 or 2 year deal is risky, especially with his injury record. He should be looking for guaranteed dollars.

[Hey Yo]

"Kevin Love was due to make $16.7M next season. With 2015-16 salary cap at about $67.1M, Love, by opting out, can start at $18.9M next season

If he re-signs he's looking at a max 5yr 108.3mil contract

If he doesn't, the 4yr max he can get is 80.4mil.

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol @ everyone on the first page acting like this means he's gone.

He would opt out of his contract whether or not he stays with the Cavs. It's just common sense. Why throw a million dollars away?

[DMAVS41]

Absolutely. My bad if my posts weren't clear. Just would take smart cap management on those teams' parts. They can't spend too crazy this summer in otherwords.

Okay...that's what I thought.

Wouldn't the Lakers have enough cap next summer even if they trade for Cousins?

[outbreak]

Kevin Love isn't LeBron James. Signing a 1 or 2 year deal is risky, especially with his injury record. He should be looking for guaranteed dollars.
But remeber that even average contracts will be going up not just max contracts.

[Meticode]

I'm not going to say Love is or isn't going to resign with the Cavaliers. That's not my place and I don't like to make predictions like that. It was expected that he and LeBron would opt-out to restruction their contractions, but in my opinion if he doesn't resign all that mumbo-jumbo he whined about while in Minnesota calling for a trade because he wanted to win was a falsehood. The Cavaliers can pay him the most money and he has the best chance at what he said he wanted to do, which is win if he comes back to Cleveland. The team made it to the Finals basically without him for 3 of the 4 series and a hobbled Irving. If the team keeps their core players together they can be even better than last season.

Honestly if he leaves I think it's because he can't handle be third fiddle and maybe just doesn't like playing in Cleveland being the third wheel.

[outbreak]

I'm not going to say Love is or isn't going to resign with the Cavaliers That's not my place and I don't like to make predictions like that, but in my opinion if he doesn't resign all that mumbo jumbo he whined about while in Minnesota calling for a trade was a falsehood. The Cavaliers can pay him the most money and he has the best chance at what he said he wanted to do, which is win if he comes back to Cleveland. The team made it to the Finals basically without him for 3 of the 4 series and a hobbled Irving. If the team keeps their core players together they can be even better than last season.

If he were to leave I'd lose respect for him

[dubeta]

Dont even want him back tbh, but if he leaves he would expose himself as the biggest beta fraud in nba history.

[FatComputerNerd]

Can we still get Wiggins and Bennett back? :oldlol:

[Droid101]

Dont even want him back tbh, but if he leaves he would expose himself as the biggest beta fraud in nba history.
But enough about LeBron. This is a Love thread.

[Meticode]

Can we still get Wiggins and Bennett back? :oldlol:
Bennett is on the block right now actually.

[Legends66NBA7]

Can we still get Wiggins and Bennett back? :oldlol:

Why would you want Bennett back ?

[FatComputerNerd]

Why would you want Bennett back ?

Bennett is a beassst

[ciaguy23]

My gut feeling is that WCS and kevin love will be in boston bye the second week in july.

[warriorfan]

Cavs are dodging a bullet if Love walks.

Love is the biggest fugazi in NBA's recent history.

Shitty attitude

Shitty defense

Shitty leadership

Insane empty and padded stats in Min


Not trying to make it a race thing but the only reason this dude is relevant is because he is a white american born player that had hype to be great. Instead he ended up being a fugazi dud. This guy is not a guy you want on a contending team unless he takes a 7 digit contract and accepts his spot as a role player. Even then I still wouldn't want him.

[FatComputerNerd]

Cavs are dodging a bullet if Love walks.

Love is the biggest fugazi in NBA's recent history.

Shitty attitude

Shitty defense

Shitty leadership

Insane empty and padded stats in Min


Not trying to make it a race thing but the only reason this dude is relevant is because he is a white american born player that had hype to be great. Instead he ended up being a fugazi dud. This guy is not a guy you want on a contending team unless he takes a 7 digit contract and accepts his spot as a role player. Even then I still wouldn't want him.


fvck u!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[J Shuttlesworth]

Cavs are dodging a bullet if Love walks.

Love is the biggest fugazi in NBA's recent history.

Shitty attitude

Shitty defense

Shitty leadership

Insane empty and padded stats in Min


Not trying to make it a race thing but the only reason this dude is relevant is because he is a white american born player that had hype to be great. Instead he ended up being a fugazi dud. This guy is not a guy you want on a contending team unless he takes a 7 digit contract and accepts his spot as a role player. Even then I still wouldn't want him.
I'm starting to think it's a double edged sword. Cavs would be a lot better with Love, but they might be even better using his money to sign some 3&D players like Danny Green.

I think Love is a safe bet considering they were the best team in the league from like January and on. There were also talks that LMA would sign with cleveland if Love walks

[Hey Yo]

:roll: :roll:
I know, these are pathetic. Begging the dude

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/KDIEey8r50hC3JSABMvxPw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/And-again.-Photo-via-@Lakers.jpg



http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/Straight-to-the-point.-Photo-via-@Lakers.jpg

[PejaNowitzki]

I'm starting to think it's a double edged sword. Cavs would be a lot better with Love, but they might be even better using his money to sign some 3&D players like Danny Green.

I think Love is a safe bet considering they were the best team in the league from like January and on. There were also talks that LMA would sign with cleveland if Love walks


Aldridge would be a much better fit for the Cavs IMO.


If the Cavs added Aldridge and some bench depth to go along with James and Irving, they would be even bigger favorites going into next season.

[Meticode]

I'd still like him on the Cavaliers. He opens up the floor so much, and the spacing issue without him in the Finals was a glaring issue and evident. I would think he would come back? He complained about not winning in Minnesota. The Cavaliers won with him, and they went to the Finals without him. Logically you'd think him playing in that Boston series and hitting some big shots, pumping his fists would make him come back.

One thing is clear, if he does not come back, it's not because of the money, or because he wants to win, it's because he simply doesn't like playing in Cleveland.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I know, these are pathetic. Begging the dude

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/KDIEey8r50hC3JSABMvxPw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/And-again.-Photo-via-@Lakers.jpg



http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/Straight-to-the-point.-Photo-via-@Lakers.jpg

Lakers fans didnt even want Howard to stay, everything we said about him has been vindicated since he went to Houston

And nobody is begging Love to stay..So how are those 2 situations similar at all?

I know you're just a little insecure fucc boy who is sad that lenodick is 2/6 but try to stay on topic

[FLDFSU]

LeBron doesn't always show up in the finals though...and he certainly doesn't shoot well when he gets there.

And getting to the finals playing on loaded teams in the East really isn't something to jump up and down about.

Define "loaded" for us. This way we don't have to do much digging when you change your definition in 3 months.

[Optimus Prime]

I remember making that argument back when everyone -- including 99% of the people on this board -- said getting Love for whatever it took was a no-brainer. I wanted some kind of assurance that he was staying to even consider giving up Wiggins.

Well... here we are. If Love re-signs, his opting out will have been a great thing because his max deal will look like a bargain in a couple years. But, if he leaves...

Yikes. Terrible.

You Cavs fans are so spoiled. You got pretty darn close to a ring when you were in the lottery last year. Stop being so over-dramatic.

:kobe:

PS - We told you this would happen months ago. Denial is a very strong thing. :lol

[Hey Yo]

Lakers fans didnt even want Howard to stay, everything we said about him has been vindicated since he went to Houston

And nobody is begging Love to stay..So how are those 2 situations similar at all?

I know you're just a little insecure fucc boy who is sad that lenodick is 2/6 but try to stay on topic
:oldlol: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. After the fact of course

"He'll never walk away from 30mil" (dwight walks away) "we didn't want him anyway"

:roll:

Even had Jack Nicholson call him to smoke Dwight's junk like a Garcia Vega and beg him to stay.


Exactly......no billboards in Cleveland begging a player to stay like LA was doing with Dwight.

[warriorfan]

no billboards in Cleveland begging a player to stay like LA was doing with Dwight.

no championships either

[dubeta]

no championships either

no asterisks also

[Optimus Prime]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/24/8840507/lebron-james-wont-recruit-kevin-love-back-to-cleveland-per-report

"LeBron James won't be re-recruiting Kevin Love, I'm told. He believes Love understands he can be a part of something special. It's his call."

"Stop trying to find a way to FIT-OUT and just FIT-IN. Be apart of something special! Just my thoughts"

LeBron passive aggressive betaness coming back to haunt him. :lol

Come to LA Love. We don't hate. We'll have Kobe, the alpha leader, Boogie, a beast and then Love stuffing the stat sheet all day. :pimp:

[TheMarkMadsen]

:oldlol: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. After the fact of course

"He'll never walk away from 30mil" (dwight walks away) "we didn't want him anyway"

:roll:

Even had Jack Nicholson call him to smoke Dwight's junk like a Garcia Vega and beg him to stay.


Exactly......no billboards in Cleveland begging a player to stay like LA was doing with Dwight.

You quoted my post which was just two laughing emoticons and responded by saying "I know, these are pathetic begging the dude"

So where in my post do I mentioned anything about begging Love to stay?

fuccing moron :roll: :roll:

do you really think Laker fans care about not having Dwight?

He can't even make the finals out west with the best SG in the league beside him so I sure wish we had him locked in at 100 million to play next to 37 year old Kobe :rolleyes: :facepalm

[warriorfan]

no asterisks also

You must excuse me good sir, I do not speak 2 of 6

[SwishSquared]

Okay...that's what I thought.

Wouldn't the Lakers have enough cap next summer even if they trade for Cousins?Yeah that's right, my bad. I think he can sign a supermax there next summer even with Cousins. Another reason why Boogie's deal is so valuable since you can pair 2 supermax players next to him in 2016.

Depending on what they give up for DMC, I wonder how much cap room Lakers would have to fill out their roster if they add Love this summer. Maybe 1 MLE-type salary + room exception + min contracts?

[Bosnian Sajo]

If there is a sign and trade, they'll get some players back to fit around LeBron and Irving.


Love isn't taking a team anywhere as the first option.

Yea, hopefully! They should try trading for a young prospect, like Wiggins!

[tontoz]

Beal/Nene for Love? I would do it if i am the Wizards. A true stretch 4/go to scorer would be a perfect complement for Wall.

[Droid101]

no championships either
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[BlazerRed]

Nothing new. Probably opting out for more money with the cap raise.

[Hey Yo]

no championships either
Which makes it even more pathetic that an organization like the Lakers would be the ones begging a player to stay.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Imagine if we sign Wade and Love, AND on top of that trade for Cousins :oldlol:

Honestly, I wouldn't mind Rondo instead of Wade, I think he fits right in with Cuz and Kobe. Love sticking outside to launch the three at will, Cousins inside ready to HAMMER it down on whoever, Kobe controlling the ball like he ****ing lovvveeesss doing, and Rondo shutting down the opposing teams best player. This offseason is getting me more and more excited :cheers:

REMEMBER, in 2008 the moves were all unexpected just like this is :D

[Rocketswin2013]

What's the big deal? I hope people aren't melting down/jumping the gun. This was expected, no? :lol

[Optimus Prime]

Imagine if we sign Wade and Love, AND on top of that trade for Cousins :oldlol:

Honestly, I wouldn't mind Rondo instead of Wade, I think he fits right in with Cuz and Kobe. Love sticking outside to launch the three at will, Cousins inside ready to HAMMER it down on whoever, Kobe controlling the ball like he ****ing lovvveeesss doing, and Rondo shutting down the opposing teams best player. This offseason is getting me more and more excited :cheers:

REMEMBER, in 2008 the moves were all unexpected just like this is :D

You make some good points but also some extremely silly ones.

Wade wants MORE money, not less. He took a paycut for LeBeta, and now he wants to get paid. I highly doubt he's going anywhere.

We'd have to sign Rondo and Love straight-up within our cap space and work out a trade for Boogie. Possible, but very difficult with lots of moving parts.

You are right about 2008 though...nobody saw that coming and next thing you know RINGSSSSS.

:kobe:

[Hey Yo]

You quoted my post which was just two laughing emoticons and responded by saying "I know, these are pathetic begging the dude"

So where in my post do I mentioned anything about begging Love to stay?

fuccing moron :roll: :roll:

do you really think Laker fans care about not having Dwight?

He can't even make the finals out west with the best SG in the league beside him so I sure wish we had him locked in at 100 million to play next to 37 year old Kobe :rolleyes: :facepalm
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tumblr_mpasdkYYeI1qfo2gpo1_1280.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[kamil]

There are no shortcuts, right guys?

Oh wait, Dan Gilbert said that.

[chips93]

I'm starting to think it's a double edged sword. Cavs would be a lot better with Love, but they might be even better using his money to sign some 3&D players like Danny Green.

we are over the cap already, regardless of whether love stays or not, so we cant sign any big free agents either way.

there isnt any upside to love leaving

[branslowski]

Love not tryna play with LeBron because Bron loves his stats too much and wanna be ball dominant. LeBron, where making star players worse happen.


Anyway, Love needs to come to LA, Kobe has the habit of making Semi Star players great, even overrated on message boards.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You make some good points but also some extremely silly ones.

Wade wants MORE money, not less. He took a paycut for LeBeta, and now he wants to get paid. I highly doubt he's going anywhere.

We'd have to sign Rondo and Love straight-up within our cap space and work out a trade for Boogie. Possible, but very difficult with lots of moving parts.

You are right about 2008 though...nobody saw that coming and next thing you know RINGSSSSS.

:kobe:


I can see Rondo signing a 1 year, mid level deal. Especially considering how his value has already dropped, he wouldn't be giving up much more for a chance to be apart of something special. Not to mention the cap is increasing soon so not like he wont make back that money. Love could sign a Asik/Lin type deal where he gets less his first year and then the second year his salary shoots up, with his contract expiring just in time for the new tv deal to kick in. It's possible.

[KyrieTheFuture]

God I hate that we traded for this guy. Even if he resigns with us, I hate the trade.

[Optimus Prime]

I can see Rondo signing a 1 year, mid level deal. Especially considering how his value has already dropped, he wouldn't be giving up much more for a chance to be apart of something special. Not to mention the cap is increasing soon so not like he wont make back that money. Love could sign a Asik/Lin type deal where he gets less his first year and then the second year his salary shoots up, with his contract expiring just in time for the new tv deal to kick in. It's possible.

Maybe. We've heard nothing about Rondo, the Cavs just made the Finals and the Kings are saying they absolutely will not trade Boogie. Things change, so we'll see.

:kobe:

[coin24]

Most people with half a brain called it from day one. Love is out of there.
That was a horrible trade for the cavs, I said it at the time and still stand by it.
They gave wiggins away for nothing, which worked out much better for wiggins obviously doesn't have to fight for scraps in LeBaldos shadow.
No wonder love wants out.

I say suck shit to the cavs, they're repeating there old mistakes by caving to bran. :cheers:

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tumblr_mpasdkYYeI1qfo2gpo1_1280.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:


:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

If only Fisher had his jersey next Clark's.. Lebron might think we were asking for him

[dubeta]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tumblr_mpasdkYYeI1qfo2gpo1_1280.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:applause:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Maybe. We've heard nothing about Rondo, the Cavs just made the Finals and the Kings are saying they absolutely will not trade Boogie. Things change, so we'll see.

:kobe:

Don't say we, because I definitely read that Rondo and Kobe had breakfast earlier and that there was mutual interest. Love played in UCLA, wasn't really the happiest person on the Cavs, and might end up like David Lee what with the emergence of TT if he doesn't get out of there. Kings can say whatever they want, Karl is pushing Cous out of there and getting the players to go against him. Act smug all you want, I didn't say this is happening for sure, but shits looking better everyday for us Laker fans.

:durantunimpressed:

[SugarHill]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tumblr_mpasdkYYeI1qfo2gpo1_1280.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:
wtf :oldlol:

[dreamwarrior]

Not really a big deal. Many of the big talents are going to keep opting out every year until the new cap comes into play.

[outbreak]

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bk59drOCEAE4Lv5.jpg
photoshopped though

[PejaNowitzki]

Most people with half a brain called it from day one. Love is out of there.
That was a horrible trade for the cavs, I said it at the time and still stand by it.
They gave wiggins away for nothing, which worked out much better for wiggins obviously doesn't have to fight for scraps in LeBaldos shadow.
No wonder love wants out.

I say suck shit to the cavs, they're repeating there old mistakes by caving to bran. :cheers:


Wiggins defense would have been mighty useful in the Finals.

[Pointguard]

[/B]

No he's not. We simply don't know.

I will say...if I was Love...I'd sign a 1 and 1 somewhere like LA or Boston (or Portland if LMA leaves).

I'd much rather do that then stay with the Cavs....a place where I won't get the minutes to earn another super max contract if I sign a 1 and 1....and if I don't and I sign for the max now...I just left millions of dollars on the table.
So now you see what I was saying. There was nothing in it for Love to sign this year.

[RedBlackAttack]

As others have noted, there is nothing surprising about this. I think he may have considered opting in and going for big money next summer if he would have stayed healthy and had a great playoff run.

But, that didn't happen. So, here we are.


In the long run, Love opting out this year was always the best case scenario. First of all, it means that this "Love is leaving" cloud won't be hanging over the franchise for another year. This is it, guys. All of that speculation and media "experts" in reading body language... it's all over now. Either he comes back or he leaves and the team can settle in with its core.

Had he opted in, we would have had to endure another year of the "Love Watch" with his every move and comment being dissected to the point of nausea. It would have been even worse, because the press would have been able to use the fact that he didn't extend at his first opportunity as a "sign" that he was here short term.

The second thing that makes this much more beneficial to us is that this gives us the chance to lock his contract in long term while the cap is still under the soon-to-be old CBA agreement.

If Love signs the max, we will have two of our big three locked in for the foreseeable future under contracts that look quaint compared to the kind of money that will be thrown around in a couple years.


With all of that being said, to lose Love in free agency would be a huge blow. He was a big reason why this team was 33-3 in the last 36 games that all of LeBron, Kyrie and Love played in. He was really starting to find his place in the offense prior to the injury and the sky was the limit.

Just because we made the Finals and won a couple games by making things ugly doesn't mean Love is suddenly expendable. It would be nice if we didn't have to slow the game to a crawl to compete with the likes of the Warriors. It would be nice if the team had the versatility to beat a team like that at our game and their game. And, before the injuries, that was possible. Without Love, it isn't.

[bballnoob1192]

If there is a sign and trade, they'll get some players back to fit around LeBron and Irving.


Love isn't taking a team anywhere as the first option.

if it's a sign and trade. you know lebron will send his ass west. don't want any good teams in the east you know :coleman:

[chips93]

the cavs are over the cap, so we cant sign and trade for anybody

[Droid101]

the cavs are over the cap, so we cant sign and trade for anybody
Hmm. Technically if the team is 4 million over the tax they can't receive anybody in a sign-and-trade. Ouch.

[Pointguard]

As I was saying in the other thread, there is no reason for Love to sign long term now. He's already the sacrificial lamb. The third leg is the one left out. And TT is a natural third leg, that will allow Mozzy to be featured sometimes in the post. Love is an odd fit. At most Love would opt in for a year to anticipate how TT is dealt with. I didn't know his agent was Lebron's agent, which is another red flag in the mix. Being that Lebron is part time coach these days.

If the team goes defensive minded in the playoffs why not sit Love in favor of Mozgov?

I also don't see Love signing up just for the sign trade with another team unless the agreement is over crumbs. Love wants his new team to be better than Minny. Why weaken them?

[RedBlackAttack]

As I was saying in the other thread, there is no reason for Love to sign long term now. He's already the sacrificial lamb. The third leg is the one left out. And TT is a natural third leg, that will allow Mozzy to be featured sometimes in the post. Love is an odd fit. At most Love would opt in for a year to anticipate how TT is dealt with. I didn't know his agent was Lebron's agent, which is another red flag in the mix. Being that Lebron is part time coach these days.

If the team goes defensive minded in the playoffs why not sit Love in favor of Mozgov?

I also don't see Love signing up just for the sign trade with another team unless the agreement is over crumbs. Love wants his new team to be better than Minny. Why weaken them?
Love will not be a part of any S&T. He'd also be stupid to turn down a longterm max contract with his injury history.

[coin24]

Love will not be a part of any S&T. He'd also be stupid to turn down a longterm max contract with his injury history.


Maybe hes not happy being a spot up shooter and being a scapegoat for lebald..

[dubeta]

Maybe hes not happy being a spot up shooter and being a scapegoat for lebald..

Better than being a spot up shooter and scapegoat for kobe :confusedshrug:

[coin24]

Better than being a spot up shooter and scapegoat for kobe :confusedshrug:


Nah cause then hed have a ring at least:oldlol:

[BigMacAttack]

Lebron sacrificing lessens the chances of winning though...your logic is flawed on this


He has never done it so how do you know? Bron never sacrificed shots in Miami, he refused to take them to protect his shooting percentage. Bosh had to become a shooter, wade had to become a predominantly off the ball palyer. Bron added a post game but never really sacrificed anything else or changed his game beside posting up now and then. HE was able to crab dribble and dump as much as he wanted.

[buddha]

why would Kevin Love sign and trade? he's could just sign a 1 or 2 year deal with a team like the Lakers then re-sign for a huge contract when the salary cap increases

[Hey Yo]

Maybe hes not happy being a spot up shooter and being a scapegoat for lebald..
Yeah.....can't believe LeBron called out Love's performance in the Finals and blamed him the the loss.:facepalm

you're phuckin dumb

[RedBlackAttack]

why would Kevin Love sign and trade? he's could just sign a 1 or 2 year deal with a team like the Lakers then re-sign for a huge contract when the salary cap increases
The only reason for him to be a part of a S&T is if he wants to go to a team that doesn't have the cap space to sign him outright. And, since the teams who will be able to sign him outright (the Lakers for example) are a dumpster fire, that seems more likely than him signing with one of those teams under the cap.

Also, for a guy with the injury history of Kevin Love, signing a one or two year deal seems awfully risky. He's one more serious injury away from no longer being a max player. When guys who've suffered some injury problems and upheaval over the course of their career, as Love has, the idea of being safely signed to a max deal today vs. taking a risk tomorrow could sound awfully appealing.

[Hey Yo]

He has never done it so how do you know? Bron never sacrificed shots in Miami, he refused to take them to protect his shooting percentage. Bosh had to become a shooter, wade had to become a predominantly off the ball palyer. Bron added a post game but never really sacrificed anything else or changed his game beside posting up now and then. HE was able to crab dribble and dump as much as he wanted.
So why did he attempt almost 1000 3 pointers while in Miami if he was protecting his shooting %

[STATUTORY]

So why did he attempt almost 1000 3 pointers while in Miami if he was protecting his shooting %

it's hard to not shoot when you are wide open, defenders just give lebron the 3 cause he's not a threat from deep

lebron has never taken a contested shot in his entire career, that's not a end of half or end of quarter

[Hey Yo]

it's hard to not shoot when you are wide open, defenders just give lebron the 3 cause he's not a threat from deep

lebron has never taken a contested shot in his entire career, that's not a end of half or end of quarter
dumb....

[BigTicket]

This could be great for the Cavs, or really horrible. No way to tell at this point.

If Love leaves after one year, that is obviously a major blow to the Cavs. The team would still be favorite to win the East with a starting lineup of Kyrie/Shumpert/Lebron/Thompson/Mozgov, but would not be the favorite in the finals.

On the other hand this might mean that Love signs a longterm deal under the current cap, which would be great news for the Cavs, and would be consistent with what Love has said he wanted to do all along.

[avonbarksdale]

can someone explain to me why love would even agree to a sign and trade?

why would he want to make the team he plans to go to worse (by giving up players and assets) when he could just go there

[r15mohd]

can someone explain to me why love would even agree to a sign and trade?

why would he want to make the team he plans to go to worse (by giving up players and assets) when he could just go there


Probably the $20million he gains in compensation by s&t rather than going there solely

[SwishSquared]

Probably the $20million he gains in compensation by s&t rather than going there solelyHe gains nothing financially if he goes to a team that has cap space for his max deal vs. S&T. If you leave your current team, you can only get a 4 year deal from another squad. You also have have a lower maximum annual raise.

[r15mohd]

He gains nothing financially if he goes to a team that has cap space for his max deal vs. S&T. If you leave your current team, you can only get a 4 year deal from another squad. You also have have a lower maximum annual raise.


Uhh you expanded what I said...but yes, only way he be fits heavily is via s&t which can get hip about $20mil more through the 5th yr

[gts]

I didn't think it was possible but after reading the board tonight Hey Yo has officially taken the place of biggest idiot on ISH :lol

Seriously there's some real morons on this board but Hey Yo is leading the way

[gts]

He gains nothing financially if he goes to a team that has cap space for his max deal vs. S&T. If you leave your current team, you can only get a 4 year deal from another squad. You also have have a lower maximum annual raise.

Exactly a player gets nothing by excepting a sign and trade in today's climate, they lose money by working with their former team by going that route.

max four years and 4.5% raise, there are no 5 year max contract sign and trades anymore

[SwishSquared]

Uhh you expanded what I said...but yes, only way he be fits heavily is via s&t which can get hip about $20mil more through the 5th yrYou're thinking of the old CBA. In the new one, you only get 4 years at most from another squad whether it's a S&T or you just sign as a FA. The only way to get 5 years is to re-up with your current club and then demand a trade.

They took out the extra year in a S&T so stars wouldn't find forcing their way onto select teams to be so attractive.

Edit: gts beat me to it haha.

[sixer6ad]

Classic ISH post. Those who hate LeBron really have NOTHING remotely close to basketball sense to post; they do emojis, pictures, and some verbiage which uses his name.

Those that actually WANT to discuss basketball talk about the real issues: sign and trade, will he resign, is he a team's first option, should he leave a finals team for an 8-seed?

Bron tells Love at the midpoint of the season to fit in, and the Cavs go apesh-t for the rest of the season and win 33 of 36. Bron mans up, calls him out, and he responds. Magic, Bird, Jordan do that and you guys are spewing all over your computer.

So glad that Love, David Griffen, LeBron James and so many other professionals know what's going on and make it happen. This site is an absolute joke.

[gts]

Also on the sign and trade discussion, you cannot accept a player if it puts you over the tax apron by 4 million AND if you have not used the MLE to sign a player.

Should a sign and trade go through and it puts the team above the tax apron (under 4 million) the team loses the MLE and is restricted to only vets mins

They really made it painful for players and any team over the cap to consider using the sign and trade... The team and the player really want join forces for either of them to consider this

[JerrySeinfeld]

Bron tells Love at the midpoint of the season to fit in, and the Cavs go apesh-t for the rest of the season and win 33 of 36. Bron mans up, calls him out, and he responds. Magic, Bird, Jordan do that and you guys are spewing all over your computer.

Sorry, don't think that Magic, Bird, and Jordan would have ever led their teammates via cryptic tweets.

[sixer6ad]

Sorry, don't think that Magic, Bird, and Jordan would have ever led their teammates via cryptic tweets.

Have anything to do with the fact that Twitter wasn't around? Not joking.

People - all over the world - do what they do DURING THEIR TIME PERIODS. People get dates, hold meetings, apply for jobs, find recipes, etc. over the internet. People tweet, also.

More of a sign of the times than a sign of character.

[SwishSquared]

Also on the sign and trade discussion, you cannot accept a player if it puts you over the tax apron by 4 million AND if you have not used the MLE to sign a player.

Should a sign and trade go through and it puts the team above the tax apron (under 4 million) the team loses the MLE and is restricted to only vets mins

They really made it painful for players and any team over the cap to consider using the sign and trade... The team and the player really want join forces for either of them to consider thisThis is good input to add for the posters who aren't aware of the way the CBA works and want to learn. :cheers:

Quick thing though- I think you get the mini MLE if you're above the apron. You lose the BAE, though.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Have anything to do with the fact that Twitter wasn't around? Not joking.

People - all over the world - do what they do DURING THEIR TIME PERIODS. People get dates, hold meetings, apply for jobs, find recipes, etc. over the internet. People tweet, also.

More of a sign of the times than a sign of character.

Disagree. LeBron didn't even address Love in the tweet but it was clearly directed at him, though I think the media asked him about it and he got all awkward and tried denying it or some shit.

That's passive aggressive behavior which is pretty typical from LeBron, if you put him a different era I don't think much would change.

[Pointguard]

He gains nothing financially if he goes to a team that has cap space for his max deal vs. S&T. If you leave your current team, you can only get a 4 year deal from another squad. You also have have a lower maximum annual raise.
It wasn't about the money, that's what I was telling you and Dmavs in that other thread. It takes a special guy to be a third wheel with an upstart getting a lot of attention.

[AlphaWolf24]

Cavs are better without him....he doesn't fit well with LBJ's style..


he's going to Boston book it..

[Simple Jack]

it's hard to not shoot when you are wide open, defenders just give lebron the 3 cause he's not a threat from deep

lebron has never taken a contested shot in his entire career, that's not a end of half or end of quarter

People should be banned for garbage like the bolded shit above.

[GimmeThat]

the thing is, he's only about 26-27 years old.

you can pressure the stone from the left and right
or you can pressure it directly from up top


it does make me wonder, how many times have I actually outplayed someone having height over me in a match up.

but then how many WR can play right on their assignment, and how many RB can break in the open field.

[gts]

This is good input to add for the posters who aren't aware of the way the CBA works and want to learn. :cheers:

Quick thing though- I think you get the mini MLE if you're above the apron. You lose the BAE, though.yes you do get the mini MLE and BAE if you're above the apron unless it's a sign and trade that put you above the apron...

basically you can go above the apron signing your own players and still have all the available exceptions but if a sign and trade puts you above the apron you cannot use anything but the vets min...

[WeGetRing2012]

I thought he was going to Boston until ol' boy torn his shoulder. I wouldn't mind him on the Lakers

[DMAVS41]

So now you see what I was saying. There was nothing in it for Love to sign this year.

What are you talking about? There is plenty in it for Love to sign this year and stay.

Also, you were talking about how the Cavs shouldn't sign him...we weren't talking about what Love wants or wanted.

Our discussion was on whether or not the Cavs should want to sign Love...which they absolutely should because they don't really have any other options.

What aren't you understanding?

[ProfessorMurder]

Have anything to do with the fact that Twitter wasn't around? Not joking.

People - all over the world - do what they do DURING THEIR TIME PERIODS. People get dates, hold meetings, apply for jobs, find recipes, etc. over the internet. People tweet, also.

More of a sign of the times than a sign of character.
It's a sign of Bran being a bitch. Tell the man to his face instead of being a 12 year old girl and sniping at him on social media.

[KelticForce1349]

Cousins and Love would be must-see television dude.

Love could move and play in Los Angeles for a GREAT team, where he went to college. If LMA signs back w/ Portland, he could also move back home over there. There's quite a few options for him, but being one of the lead-guys in LA could offer a lot more in endorsements. More money than being the 2nd or 3rd fiddle in Cleveland.

Cleveland shouldn't be a foregone conclusion.


Wouldn't Cousins and Love be a weak duo defensively though?

[Legends66NBA7]

Wouldn't Cousins and Love be a weak duo defensively though?

Cousins is a good defender; Love is sub par. Both would dominate the glass.

It's funny, they could have been teammates in Minnesota. They picked Wesley Johnson one pick over Cousins.

[Prime_Shaq]

Cousins is a good defender; Love is sub par. Both would dominate the glass.

It's funny, they could have been teammates in Minnesota. They picked Wesley Johnson one pick over Cousins.
And now he's on the Lakers... Coincidence? I think not...

[nba_55]

So many idiots in this thread:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Meticode]

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-cavaliers-unfinished-business/

So many L's in this thread and people classically having knee-jerk reactions to try to put down a team they simply don't like...


:roll:
:oldlol:


Thanks Cleveland.:cheers:
No, thank you!


Love is coming back home to LA.
:oldlol:


He's a Cali boy anyway. Let him go to the Lakers. That's always been his dream.
Apparently going to the playoffs was more important.


http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/wiggins.jpg
http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/wiggins.jpg
http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/cavaliers/sites/default/files/styles/story_main_photo/public/growingup_love_140925.jpg


Maybe if the Cavs ask really nicely the Wolves will give Wiggins back for him :roll:
Nope, I think they'll keep Love long term and keep making Finals pushes! :D


:roll:

cavs with another huge L
Love had meeting with the Lakeres today then immediately afterwards posted the resigning with Cleveland column. Lakers must've been a joke of an offer.


Wiggins for a year rental who didn't contribute much in the playoff

LOLCAVS just as bad as LOLCATS
5-years $110 is a great deal for someone his age and the cap going up in 1-2 years.

[Sakkreth]

Meticode went ham on those fools :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: :roll:

:roll: :roll:

[FLDFSU]

The sad thing about these idiots is that Love SAID BEFORE HE OPTED OUT that he planned to stay in Cleveland...

Not a year ago, 2 months ago, or a month ago, but literally a few weeks ago. Yet these idiots STILL posted nonsense about Love leaving the Cavs.

[FatComputerNerd]

We gon get our spacing back! :banana: :rockon:

[J Shuttlesworth]

:roll: :roll:
Madsen is so low IQ thinking that opting out means someone is leaving :facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-cavaliers-unfinished-business/

So many L's in this thread and people classically having knee-jerk reactions to try to put down a team they simply don't like...


:oldlol:


No, thank you!


:oldlol:


Apparently going to the playoffs was more important.


http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/cavaliers/sites/default/files/styles/story_main_photo/public/growingup_love_140925.jpg


Nope, I think they'll keep Love long term and keep making Finals pushes! :D


Love had meeting with the Lakeres today then immediately afterwards posted the resigning with Cleveland column. Lakers must've been a joke of an offer.


5-years $110 is a great deal for someone his age and the cap going up in 1-2 years.
Too many W's for one man to hold.

[livinglegend]

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-cavaliers-unfinished-business/

So many L's in this thread and people classically having knee-jerk reactions to try to put down a team they simply don't like...


:oldlol:


No, thank you!


:oldlol:


Apparently going to the playoffs was more important.


http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/cavaliers/sites/default/files/styles/story_main_photo/public/growingup_love_140925.jpg


Nope, I think they'll keep Love long term and keep making Finals pushes! :D


Love had meeting with the Lakeres today then immediately afterwards posted the resigning with Cleveland column. Lakers must've been a joke of an offer.


5-years $110 is a great deal for someone his age and the cap going up in 1-2 years.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Madsen is so low IQ thinking that opting out means someone is leaving :facepalm

You got all of that from two emoticons?

the immediate panic by Lebron stans was hilarious. AW was posting gifs talking about how "we could get a sweet deal for him"

You desperately want something else to be there when its not, sort of like Lebrons trophy case for 2015

[gts]

The sad thing about these idiots is that Love SAID BEFORE HE OPTED OUT that he planned to stay in Cleveland...

Not a year ago, 2 months ago, or a month ago, but literally a few weeks ago. Yet these idiots STILL posted nonsense about Love leaving the Cavs.He's been saying it since February if I remember right...

so holy cow where are the cavs at now with the roster $$$ money wise... they've got to be getting near all time high

[livinglegend]

He's been saying it since February if I remember right...

so holy cow where are the cavs at now with the roster $$$ money wise... they've got to be getting near all time high

Who the **** cares? We are not the ones paying it.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You got all of that from two emoticons?

the immediate panic by Lebron stans was hilarious. AW was posting gifs talking about how "we could get a sweet deal for him"

You desperately want something else to be there when its not, sort of like Lebrons trophy case for 2015
So what was so funny about Love opting out? :rolleyes:

Just admit you made a dumb short-sighted post... and you know... 10,982 more.

[J Shuttlesworth]

He's been saying it since February if I remember right...

so holy cow where are the cavs at now with the roster $$$ money wise... they've got to be getting near all time high
The owner has a ****ing casino right next to the Cavs arena :applause:

#STAYWINNING

[TheMarkMadsen]

So what was so funny about Love opting out? :rolleyes:

Just admit you made a dumb short-sighted post... and you know... 10,982 more.

The panic from Lebron stans that was about to follow.. Which it did.. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[J Shuttlesworth]

The panic from Lebron stans that was about to follow.. Which it did.. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
Link? Seems like most people thought he was staying anyway :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Madsen Meltdown

[RedBlackAttack]

You Cavs fans are so spoiled. You got pretty darn close to a ring when you were in the lottery last year. Stop being so over-dramatic.

:kobe:

PS - We told you this would happen months ago. Denial is a very strong thing. :lol
:lol