Top 5 defenses of all time?

[Braincells]

My rankings:
1. 2004 Pistons
2. 2008 Celtics
3. 1996 Bulls
4. 1990 Pistons
5. 2001 Lakers

[dubeta]

1. 2015 Warriors

2. 2007 Spurs

3. 2011 Mavs

4. 2014 Spurs

5. 2012 Thunder

[Fallen Angel]

1996 Bulls
2004 Pistons
2014 Spurs
1990 Pistons
Too many choices for #5

[Rose'sACL]

2004 pistons
2008 Celtics
1989 pistons
1996 bulls
Too many choices for no. 5.

[T_L_P]

04 Spurs is really the only one that deserves a mention with these all-timers, tbh.

Maybe 99 too.

[riseagainst]

1. 2015 Warriors

2. 2007 Spurs

3. 2011 Mavs

4. 2014 Spurs

5. 2012 Thunder

:lol
:roll:

[riseagainst]

04 pistons is number 1 and it's NOT even close.
08 celtics in top 5 as well.

[Fallen Angel]

04 pistons is number 1
Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan...

Swept Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning in the first round
Beat John Starks and Patrick Ewing in the second round in 5
Swept Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O'Neal in the third round
Beat Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp in the NBA Finals in 6

Try again, kiddo.

[riseagainst]

Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippin
Michael Jordan...

Swept Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning in the first round
Beat John Starks and Patrick Ewing in the second round in 5
Swept Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O'Neal in the third round
Beat Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp in the NBA Finals in 6

Try again, kiddo.

top 5 defenses, not top 5 teams.

[Fallen Angel]

top 5 defenses, not top 5 teams.
Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan...

Swept Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning in the first round
Beat John Starks and Patrick Ewing in the second round in 5
Swept Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O'Neal in the third round
Beat Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp in the NBA Finals in 6

Try again, kiddo.

[Rocketswin2013]

Off the top of my head
'04 Pistons
'99 Spurs
'94 Knicks
Frazier Knicks
Russell Celtics. Maybe '64

[riseagainst]

Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan...

Swept Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning in the first round
Beat John Starks and Patrick Ewing in the second round in 5
Swept Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O'Neal in the third round
Beat Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp in the NBA Finals in 6

Try again, kiddo.

you have no argument.

here is a fun fact for you that you obviously don't know. Pistons held their opponents in the playoffs to: 85.6 pts, 83.3 pts, 72.7 pts, and 81.8 pts.

[Rose'sACL]

Dennis Rodman
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan...

Swept Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning in the first round
Beat John Starks and Patrick Ewing in the second round in 5
Swept Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O'Neal in the third round
Beat Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp in the NBA Finals in 6

Try again, kiddo.
2004 pistons> 1996 bulls on defense

[Fallen Angel]

I don't want to debate with you main forumers.

Bulls were the best team on offense and on defense in 1996 which shows utter domination on both sides of the floor.

Pistons were the 2nd best team on defense and 18th in the league on offense AND 24th in the league in pace in 2004 which shows an easier route to those low opponent point totals.

Michael Jordan- better wing defender than any wing defender on the Pistons
Scottie Pippen- better wing defender than any wing defender on the Pistons
Dennis Rodman- better multi-positional defender than any multi-positional defender on the Pistons

I'm done with you idiots. Go back talking about Lebron and Kobe.

[riseagainst]

I don't want to debate with you main forumers.

Bulls were the best team on offense and on defense in 1996 which shows utter domination on both sides of the floor.

Pistons were the 2nd best team on defense and 18th in the league on offense AND 24th in the league in pace in 2004 which shows an easier route to those low opponent point totals.

Michael Jordan- better wing defender than any wing defender on the Pistons
Scottie Pippen- better wing defender than any wing defender on the Pistons
Dennis Rodman- better multi-positional defender than any multi-positional defender on the Pistons

I'm done with you idiots. Go back talking about Lebron and Kobe.


thread title: top 5 defenses of all time.

you must be illiterate.

[Cold soul]

No order:

1989 Pistons

1994 Knicks

1996 Bulls

2004 Pistons

2008 Celtics

[Cold soul]

Honorable mentioned 2010 Celtics.

[NBASTATMAN]

1992-94 Knicks
2003-05 Pistons
1988-90 Pistons
1996 Bulls
2008 Celts


Honorable mention
1998 Heat
2004 Indiana Pacers( THEY WERE RATED A BETTER DEFENSE THAN 2004 PISTONS

[NBASTATMAN]

Honorable mentioned 2010 Celtics.


DWade destroyed that defense..

[Wade's Rings]

DWade destroyed that defense..

33/6/7/2/1.5 shooting 56% with a TS% of 65% :bowdown:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Not convinced there isn't a top 5 defense which didn't win the championship in their season.

[dubeta]

33/6/7/2/1.5 shooting 56% with a TS% of 65% :bowdown:

And lost in the 1st round :oldlol:

[BlazerRed]

1. 2015 Warriors

2. 2007 Spurs

3. 2011 Mavs

4. 2014 Spurs

5. 2012 Thunder

#noexcuses

[Wade's Rings]

And lost in the 1st round :oldlol:

:bowdown:

[rmt]

I'd like to nominate the Spurs during Duncan's prime:

Year Defensive Rank/Rating Opponent pts/game
97-98 2nd/99.4 1st
98-99 1st/95 3rd
99-00 2nd/98.6 1st
00-01 1st/98 3rd
01-02 2nd/99.7 3rd
02-03 3rd/99.7 3rd
03-04 1st/94.1 1st
04-05 1st/98.8 1st
05-06 1st/99.6 2nd
06-07 2nd/99.9 1st
07-08 3rd/101.8 3rd
08-09 5th/104.3 2nd

It's a shame he never won a DPOY award.

[Wade's Rings]

It's a shame he never won a DPOY award.

What years could/should he have won it?

[Young X]

'94 Knicks

- 98.2 DRtg in the regular season
- 100.0 DRtg in the playoffs

Ewing
Oakley
Mason
Starks
Harper

Coach: Pat Riley

Elite perimeter and interior defense led by an all time great defender in Ewing. Extremely physical team and tough as nails.

[T_L_P]

What years could/should he have won it?

Definitely deserved it in 07. I personally think he should have won it in 13 too.

[rmt]

What years could/should he have won it?

2007. Camby won because voters are dazzled by his stats.

Player Rebounds / Blks / Defensive Win Shares / Defensive Box Plus Minus
Camby 11.7 rebs / 3.3 blks / 5.1 / 6.7
Duncan 10.6 rebs / 2.4 blks / 6.8 / 5.1

but most importantly did those stats translate into helping the team defensively:

Team Defensive Rank/Rating Opp Pts/game
Nugs 11th/105.9 26th
Spurs 2nd/99.9 1st

What my gripe is - that they change the criteria every year - they are not consistent in how they judge. One year - it's stats. Another year - it's how good the team was defensively - see Marc Gasol - even then, he doesn't get penalized by having Allen and Conley on his team and Duncan/Bowen always were for having each other.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

08 Celtics - best defender of the past era and prolly since Russell finally has a decent supporting defense in his last prime year (he anchored strong defenses later too, the best D in 12 too with no other bigs)

04 Pistons - after the Sheed trade they were on another level, there was a stretch of games where they held teams consistently under 70. Playoff defense was incredible, Sheed in the post and Ben for more help was scary

93 Knicks - what Young X said

15 Warriors - best playoff D since 04 Pistons, the defensive talent is insane. They could guard so many matchups, so versatile. Draymond, Bogut and Iggy are top 5 defenders. Then Klay, Barnes, Livingston, Ezeli? Omm BEAST

03 Spurs - Completely stacked defense with a GOAT level defensive coach. DRob, Timmy, Manu, Bowen, Rose SJax

[SHAQisGOAT]

I'mma go with a top10, in no particular order...

'04 Pistons
'89 Pistons
'96 Bulls
'79 Sonics
'65 Celtics
'94 Knicks
'08 Celtics
'70 Knicks
'04 Spurs
'75 Bullets

[D-Wade316]

Many of the teams listed are spectacular defensively, but holy **** people underrate the 60s Celtics so much. :biggums:

There's a reason why the dominated an entire decade and won 8 in a row.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s_K0oLQc1izerq7tvAgGc1PjTcU9CY7ZF6H0fDCStrw/edit?pli=1&type=view&gid=3&f=true&colid0=2&filterstr0=NBA&sortcolid=31&sortasc=false&rowsperpage=25#gid=3

% are based on league average
64 Celtics - -11.8%
65 Celtics - -10.6%
63 Celtics - -8.8%
62 Celtics - -8.7%
61 Celtics - -8.1%
:biggums: :wtf:

Meanwhile
08 Celtics - -8.2%
94 Knicks - -7.8%
93 Knicks - -8%
96 Bulls - -5.6%
04 Pistons - -7.5%(better after the Rasheed trade)
04 Spurs - -8.8%

No teams since then have been as good defensively as Russell's Celtics.

[D-Wade316]

Nobody comes close to the early 60s Celtics, perhaps only the 04 Pistons since acquiring Rasheed.

[Alamо]

Not convinced there isn't a top 5 defense which didn't win the championship in their season.



04 Spurs



Even with the NBA as a whole struggling to score points during the 2003-04 season, the San Antonio Spurs were just that good. In fact, they're the best post-merger defense, narrowly beating out the 2007-08 Boston Celtics, the Detroit Pistons from this same season and the Patrick Ewing-led New York Knicks.

[warriorfan]

I don't want to debate with you main forumers.

Bulls were the best team on offense and on defense in 1996 which shows utter domination on both sides of the floor.

Pistons were the 2nd best team on defense and 18th in the league on offense AND 24th in the league in pace in 2004 which shows an easier route to those low opponent point totals.

Michael Jordan- better wing defender than any wing defender on the Pistons
Scottie Pippen- better wing defender than any wing defender on the Pistons
Dennis Rodman- better multi-positional defender than any multi-positional defender on the Pistons

I'm done with you idiots. Go back talking about Lebron and Kobe.


You don't have to get so defensive. :oldlol:

It's closer than you think. It's cute how you left out Ben Wallace and Rasheed off of your list. You bring up wing defense and "multi positional defender" but you don't bring up rim protection and help defense which are 2 huge factors for a team's defensive strength where the Pistons are superior.

[D-Wade316]

04 Spurs
04 Spurs are #4 defensively all-time in the regular season and playoffs combined. 60s Celtics occupy the 1-3 and 5 spot. :pimp:

[juju151111]

It's best Defense people not team.
1. 93/94 Knicks
2. 04 Pistons
3.05 Spurs
4.96 Bulls
5. 08 Celtics

[juju151111]

Many of the teams listed are spectacular defensively, but holy **** people underrate the 60s Celtics so much. :biggums:

There's a reason why the dominated an entire decade and won 8 in a row.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s_K0oLQc1izerq7tvAgGc1PjTcU9CY7ZF6H0fDCStrw/edit?pli=1&type=view&gid=3&f=true&colid0=2&filterstr0=NBA&sortcolid=31&sortasc=false&rowsperpage=25#gid=3

% are based on league average
64 Celtics - -11.8%
65 Celtics - -10.6%
63 Celtics - -8.8%
62 Celtics - -8.7%
61 Celtics - -8.1%
:biggums: :wtf:

Meanwhile
08 Celtics - -8.2%
94 Knicks - -7.8%
93 Knicks - -8%
96 Bulls - -5.6%
04 Pistons - -7.5%(better after the Rasheed trade)
04 Spurs - -8.8%

No teams since then have been as good defensively as Russell's Celtics.
I think people just sometimesdon't count the 60s because of 3 points line and how the game was completely different.

[D-Wade316]

I think people just sometimesdon't count the 60s because of 3 points line and how the game was completely different.
I disagree. Champions of years past were not 3-point oriented. Only the 15 Warriors, TBH, have won primarily being jump shooters. So the 60s Celtics may have to do few adjustments to defend the 3-point line, but regardless their defense would stay the same. Even looking at their roster, every single player is awesome defensively.

The 80s Lakers are considered one of the greatest offenses of all-time, yet they never cracked 10+ 3PA for the entire decade.

[juju151111]

I disagree. Champions of years past were not 3-point oriented. Only the 15 Warriors, TBH, have won primarily being jump shooters. So the 60s Celtics may have to do few adjustments to defend the 3-point line, but regardless their defense would stay the same. Even looking at their roster, every single player is awesome defensively.

The 80s Lakers are considered one of the greatest offenses of all-time, yet they never cracked 10+ 3PA for the entire decade.
No it wouldn't be simple to learn how to the defend the 3 and pick and rolls thats heavytoday.

[D-Wade316]

No it wouldn't be simple to learn how to the defend the 3 and pick and rolls thats heavytoday.
Nah. The 11 Bulls and 13 Pacers were great at defending the 3 and PnR. Memphis including. None of their personnel is as good as the Celtics. They would translate fine today.

[LAZERUSS]

Anyone of the Bucks teams from '70-71 thru '73-74.

[riseagainst]

You don't have to get so defensive. :oldlol:

It's closer than you think. It's cute how you left out Ben Wallace and Rasheed off of your list. You bring up wing defense and "multi positional defender" but you don't bring up rim protection and help defense which are 2 huge factors for a team's defensive strength where the Pistons are superior.

that guy is retarded as hell.
:lol