Can't wait till Cousins is a Laker

[AirTupac]

http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/785567

The Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings reportedly "exchanged frameworks" for a possible trade involving center DeMarcus Cousins on Wednesday, according to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Cousins this year, Durant the next.

Clippers had a good run as the top team in LA, can now hang them 2nd round banners up :applause:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kings vice president of basketball operations Vlade Divac has pursued a possible deal that would include a bevvy of assets, including the Lakers' No. 2 pick in Thursday's NBA draft, rookies Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson and other draft assets, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Sacramento also would want to unload the remainder of forward Carl Landry's two years, $13.5 million contract, league sources said.

Minimally, the Lakers have no intention of including Randle in a deal for Cousins, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Randle, a power forward, was the seventh overall pick in the 2014 NBA draft and missed most of his rookie season after leg surgery. The Lakers are reluctant to part with Clarkson too, sources said.
make it happen, mitch :bowdown:

[Batz]

It really depends on who Lakers are giving up, and what exactly are we getting back from the Kings.

I'm excited in the sense that management is finally making big moves, I just don't know if this is the big move we want.

[gts]

Mark Medina ‏@MarkG_Medina
League source familiar with Cousins' thinking: "DeMarcus wants to be a Laker. It

[PejaNowitzki]

Minimally, the Lakers have no intention of including Randle in a deal for Cousins, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Randle, a power forward, was the seventh overall pick in the 2014 NBA draft and missed most of his rookie season after leg surgery. The Lakers are reluctant to part with Clarkson too, sources said.



****ing LOL at the posturing by the Lakers. Its not like they have a whole shit ton of assets to offer beyond the #2 pick, Randle and Clarkson.

[ClipperRevival]

No way should we give up the #2, Randle and Clarkson for Boogie and Landry. I would be pissed.

[Droid101]

****ing LOL at the posturing by the Lakers.
What the hell else would you do as a franchise?

[JerrySeinfeld]

No way should we give up the #2, Randle and Clarkson for Boogie and Landry. I would be pissed.

Same but in reality, I'd probably get over it.

Cousins is the best center in the league.

[HOoopCityJones]

****ing LOL at the posturing by the Lakers.

We're basically giving away all our assets and young talent for one player. :confusedshrug:

[PejaNowitzki]

No way should we give up the #2, Randle and Clarkson for Boogie and Landry. I would be pissed.


Strong username to post correlation.

[PejaNowitzki]

We're basically giving away all our assets and young talent for one player. :confusedshrug:



That is why the trade wouldn't make sense to me but that is certainly the asking price for a dominant, top of the NBA player just entering his prime. The Kings will demand all that they can get and if the Lakers are desperate enough, they'll give it to them.


At minimum I don't see the deal going down without both Randle and the #2 pick included.

[AirTupac]

Lakers have to say no if its #2, Randle AND Clarkson. Then what do you expect to fill the rest of the team with? Gonna be a major shitshow.

[ClipperRevival]

Same but in reality, I'd probably get over it.

Cousins is the best center in the league.

Not with his questionable attitude and the fact that he still can't impact his team's w/l column. Kings had some talent. Gay, Collison, Mclemore. I would be pissed if we did this trade.

[outbreak]

If the rumour of Randle, Clarkson AND the 2nd is true that's too much imo

[buddha]

goat trade would be

Lakers
- #2
- Jordan Hill
- Julius Randle

Kings
- #6
- DeMarcus Cousins


Lakers then draft WCS

Clarkson
Kobe
???
Cousins
WCS

[PejaNowitzki]

If the rumour of Randle, Clarkson AND the 2nd is true that's too much imo


That is what I said and people told me I was ****ing nuts for not thinking that the Lakers would decimate all with Cousins and the corpse of Kobe Bryant.


I think L.A. is better off developing their young talent and then adding a big time free agent down the road rather than blowing up their roster and potentially being left with just Cousins next season if Kobe retires.

[PejaNowitzki]

goat trade would be

Lakers
- #2
- Jordan Hill
- Julius Randle

Kings
- #6
- DeMarcus Cousins


Lakers then draft WCS

Clarkson
Kobe
???
Cousins
WCS




****ing LOL, Kings aren't giving up Cousins AND a lottery pick.

[HOoopCityJones]

That is why the trade wouldn't make sense to me but that is certainly the asking price for a dominant, top of the NBA player just entering his prime. The Kings will demand all that they can get and if the Lakers are desperate enough, they'll give it to them.


At minimum I don't see the deal going down without both Randle and the #2 pick included.

I'm totally against the move either way. Even if we land Cousins, we essentially gutting our entire Team for one player.

Who the hell will wanna come play with Cousins in LA that couldn't have in SAC? Seems like we're doing The Kings a favor for nothing.

[AirTupac]

That is what I said and people told me I was ****ing nuts for not thinking that the Lakers would decimate all with Cousins and the corpse of Kobe Bryant.


I think L.A. is better off developing their young talent and then adding a big time free agent down the road rather than blowing up their roster and potentially being left with just Cousins next season if Kobe retires.

Realistically, its probably something like Randle + #2 + Filler (Young)

If the Lakers somehow get Cousins AND their pick, thats a madddd steal for us but it shouldnt happen.... but its the kings lol

[toxicxr6]

If the rumour of Randle, Clarkson AND the 2nd is true that's too much imo


It's going to be that much.. Cousins may want to go to the lakers but Kings don't have to trade him there.. And on the open market Kings will get a lot of big offers for cousins.. Adding that he still has 3 years left on his contract it's not like another team is trading to rent him.. They have significant time to make him happy

It's going to take Randle, pick 2 and Clarkson to get him and that's going to be the way it is

[JerrySeinfeld]

Not with his questionable attitude and the fact that he still can't impact his team's w/l column. Kings had some talent. Gay, Collison, Mclemore. I would be pissed if we did this trade.

lol all of those players may have talent but they have low IQ's to go with it, making them scrubs.

I don't really see a low IQ in Cousins up to this point, just immaturity if anything, but not in the same way it was with Dwight, who quite simply wasn't a competitor.

Averaging 24/13 on 34 minutes a game ain't no joke.

If we could somehow get Cousins and #6, I'd part with anyone to make it happen. Get Cousins and WCS to start at the 4 and 5 for the next decade, free agents would flock here like nobodies business.

[PejaNowitzki]

I'm totally against the move either way. Even if we land Cousins, we essentially gutting our entire Team for one player.

Who the hell will wanna come play with Cousins in LA that couldn't have in SAC? Seems like we're doing The Kings a favor for nothing.


I feel this way too. Kings trade Cousins, yeah he's one of the best in the NBA but all of a sudden Sacramento drafts Russell and WCS to go along with Randle and Gay and they've suddenly got a top notch nucleus of young players.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I think a lot of people on here forget that, whenever the Lakers are relevant, there isn't a more attractive free agent destination in the league.

yeah, losing Randle and Clarkson would suck, but once Kobe's contract is off the books we could basically get whoever the hell we wanted in FA.

[PejaNowitzki]

If we could somehow get Cousins and #6, I'd part with anyone to make it happen. Get Cousins and WCS to start at the 4 and 5 for the next decade, free agents would flock here like nobodies business.


Its not happening. The Lakers assets are pretty much the #2 pick, Randle and Clarkson.


The Kings would be trading one of the top players in the NBA for Randle, Clarkson and moving up 4 spots in the draft, to me that seems like a complete non-starter and I can't think of anyone else that LA has that the Kings would actually even want.

[buddha]

****ing LOL, Kings aren't giving up Cousins AND a lottery pick.

imo #2 and Jordan Hill is worth enough for Cousins. He's a malcontent who hasn't proven to be a winner, who the coaching staff doesn't want.

Randle was the 7th pick in the lottery last year and if he played last year and wasn't injured he would be worth more than the 6th pick in this years draft.

if the Kings do trade Cousins I suspect it will just be for the 2nd pick and some filler like Young or Hill.

[BasedTom]

lakers should keep clarkson

[NugzFan]

goat trade would be

Lakers
- #2
- Jordan Hill
- Julius Randle

Kings
- #6
- DeMarcus Cousins


Lakers then draft WCS

Clarkson
Kobe
???
Cousins
WCS

You can't get cousins and 6.

[HOoopCityJones]

I feel this way too. Kings trade Cousins, yeah he's one of the best in the NBA but all of a sudden Sacramento drafts Russell and WCS to go along with Randle and Gay and they've suddenly got a top notch nucleus of young players.

We'd essentially be trading their situation for ours. :roll:

I'm surprised more people can't see it. If I was The Lakers it's either straight up for the second pick + filler, or get lost.

Why would you trade all your assets/ a potential young core for one player not named Durant, Lebron or Anthony Davis? Because you don't.

[Inferno]

goat trade would be

Lakers
- #2
- Jordan Hill
- Julius Randle

Kings
- #6
- DeMarcus Cousins


Lakers then draft WCS

Clarkson
Kobe
???
Cousins
WCS

Kings never do that :lol

[NugzFan]

imo #2 and Jordan Hill is worth enough for Cousins. He's a malcontent who hasn't proven to be a winner, who the coaching staff doesn't want.

Randle was the 7th pick in the lottery last year and if he played last year and wasn't injured he would be worth more than the 6th pick in this years draft.

if the Kings do trade Cousins I suspect it will just be for the 2nd pick and some filler like Young or Hill.

:oldlol: laker fans.

[buddha]

:oldlol: laker fans.

who's going to give up a better offer?

[JerrySeinfeld]

We'd essentially be trading their situation for ours. :roll:

I'm surprised more people can't see it. If I was The Lakers it's either straight up for the second pick + filler, or get lost.

Why would you trade all your assets/ a potential young core for one player not named Durant, Lebron or Anthony Davis? Because you don't.

Our situation would be nothing like theirs with Cousins because basically everybody wants to play in LA and nobody wants to play for Sacramento.

You could pair Cousins with a number of perimeter stars in LA, much harder to do that in Sacramento

[NugzFan]

who's going to give up a better offer?

The kings can just say no. And we don't even know what other offers are out there.

Do laker fans even realize how dumb they sound?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Christ, #2 for #6?

Can't escape this shit anywhere on ISH :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

:oldlol: laker fans.

Both Teams are getting raped which ever side caves. :confusedshrug:


Cousins is not worth # 2 , Randle and Clarkson. Fucc that noise.

[PejaNowitzki]

imo #2 and Jordan Hill is worth enough for Cousins.



GTFO. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:





He's a malcontent who hasn't proven to be a winner, who the coaching staff doesn't want. .



Right and the Lakers and several other teams still want him badly in spite of that. The reality is that the Lakers don't have any leverage here, Cousins still has quite a few years on his contract, the Kings aren't in a position where they HAVE to trade him so they can take their time to find the best offer. If the Lakers best offer is #2 and Hill, I think the Kings will discover that they can do better. The Kings can wait a month, two months...until the trading deadline....etc.



This isn't a Kevin Love type situation where they absolutely have to trade the guy or risk getting nothing. Love was worth two consecutive 1st round picks and he's not nearly as good as Cousins either.

[JerrySeinfeld]

The kings can just say no. And we don't even know what other offers are out there.

Do laker fans even realize how dumb they sound?

That #2 pick makes it pretty damn hard to imagine many better offers out there.

Your pick of Okafor/Russell plus potentially getting another young star like Randle/Clarkson?

Not a bad deal when you are just trading a guy who would leave in 2 years anyways

[NugzFan]

Both Teams are getting raped which ever side caves. :confusedshrug:


Cousins is not worth # 2 , Randle and Clarkson. Fucc that noise.

Lakers are not getting rapes. Cousins is proven.

[PejaNowitzki]

That #2 pick makes it pretty damn hard to imagine many better offers out there.

Your pick of Okafor/Russell plus potentially getting another young star like Randle/Clarkson?

Not a bad deal when you are just trading a guy who would leave in 2 years anyways


The point is that with Boston and Denver involved, the Kings can do better than the #2 pick and Jordan Hill like one poster brought up, or trading Cousins and the #6 pick for the #2, Randle and Clarkson.


Personally I think that Randle, the #2 pick and a couple of 2nd rounders is more than fair.

[NugzFan]

That #2 pick makes it pretty damn hard to imagine many better offers out there.

Your pick of Okafor/Russell plus potentially getting another young star like Randle/Clarkson?

Not a bad deal when you are just trading a guy who would leave in 2 years anyways

I've already said cousins for randle and 2 is fine.

But not with 6

[PejaNowitzki]

Lakers are not getting rapes. Cousins is proven.



Proven or not, giving two potentially top notch young players and then some added filler on top of that is tough to swallow.


That said, I'm not sure why anyone is shocked or surprised. How often does a guy who is at the very beginning of his prime and already a dominant superstar get traded in the NBA? Of course the asking price is going to be ridiculous.

[Rooster]

We'd essentially be trading their situation for ours. :roll:

I'm surprised more people can't see it. If I was The Lakers it's either straight up for the second pick + filler, or get lost.

Why would you trade all your assets/ a potential young core for one player not named Durant, Lebron or Anthony Davis? Because you don't.


I've been against this move because when I see Cousins, I see a talented player with a destructive attitude and minimal impact. If it was Anthony Davis then it's a no brainer. When you can't carry your team to 30 wins, you don't influence the game as much. He's like Kevin Love with an extra baggage. People keep making excuses about his support but how many elite players have turn around their team in 2 to 3 years. Losing your promising players for that, I'll pass.

[PejaNowitzki]

they should get another team involved if the lakers really want to keep randle


I'm not sure what else the Lakers have to offer that involving another team would help. They don't have a 1st rounder next year to offer, no real talent outside of Clarkson, but the #2 and Clarkson certainly doesn't get it done, especially when the Kings already have two young shooting guards.


Aside from the #2 pick, Randle is the Lakers best trade asset. I don't think you can acquire a guy like Cousins and get to keep Randle too. If Kupchak pulled that off, they might as well start building him a statue in the HOF the next day.

[longtime lurker]

If the Kings want #2, Randle and Clarkson then they throw in the #6 that simple. It's easy as Mitch telling Sacremento they get #2 and another asset, and if they can find a team that beats that best of luck.

[PejaNowitzki]

If the Kings want #2, Randle and Clarkson then they throw in the #6 that simple. It's easy as Mitch telling Sacremento they get #2 and another asset, and if they can find a team that beats that best of luck.


And when Sacramento says "**** off" and hangs up the phone and then goes to see what Ainge is willing to offer, what then. :D


There isn't a single situation where I can see the Kings trading Cousins AND the #6 pick. If you trade Cousins, you are essentially declaring that you are going into full rebuilding mode and every single pick that you have at that point becomes all the more important.


Kings would be better off keeping Cousins and the #6 pick rather than trading both to move up for 4 spots in the draft and add Randle + filler.

[Rooster]

Our situation would be nothing like theirs with Cousins because basically everybody wants to play in LA and nobody wants to play for Sacramento.

You could pair Cousins with a number of perimeter stars in LA, much harder to do that in Sacramento

Look it took 4 years for the Lakers to win it all when Shaq came here and we are already a 50 win team. I don't consider Boogie a strong foundation, he's a fragile emotionally who might implode anytime on frustration.

[ClipperRevival]

Look it took 4 years for the Lakers to win it all when Shaq came here and we are already a 50 win team. I don't consider Boogie a strong foundation, he's a fragile emotionally who might implode anytime on frustration.

Agreed. I don't know if I feel good about giving the keys of the franchise to this guy. If it was A. Davis, I give up every player on my roster.

[longtime lurker]

And when Sacramento says "**** off" and hangs up the phone and then goes to see what Ainge is willing to offer, what then. :D


There isn't a single situation where I can see the Kings trading Cousins AND the #6 pick. If you trade Cousins, you are essentially declaring that you are going into full rebuilding mode and every single pick that you have at that point becomes all the more important.


Kings would be better off keeping Cousins and the #6 pick rather than trading both to move up for spots add Randle and filler.

Lol sure. I'm sure they'll be much happier with the Danny Ainge pu pu platter offer that he gave the Sixers.

[wakencdukest]

Our situation would be nothing like theirs with Cousins because basically everybody wants to play in LA and nobody wants to play for Sacramento.

You could pair Cousins with a number of perimeter stars in LA, much harder to do that in Sacramento




I keep hearing people say this, when was the last time LA signed a star free agent? Every year players mention LA as a destination, but it's more likely they're using LA as leverage. There's no guarantee any other free agent comes to LA. Randle, Clarkson, and #2 is straight up rape.

[PejaNowitzki]

Lol sure. I'm sure they'll be much happier with the Danny Ainge pu pu platter offer that he gave the Sixers.


The Kings are the ones with the heavily in demand commodity, they set the price, if nobody is willing to agree to it, then they keep said commodity and keep on trucking. With Cousins locked up for a few more seasons, Sacramento is still in a position to tell teams to basically take it or leave it.

[ClipperRevival]

I know Cousins is a great individual talent but I still have questions whether he can lead a team to a title. It's not like he had zero help in Sac. Gay is a very good wing player. Collison is a decent PG and McLemore is an athletic wing. If you are that great, you should be able to win more games. Something seems off. Sort of like the Love in Minn situation.

[PejaNowitzki]

I keep hearing people say this, when was the last time LA signed a star free agent? Every year players mention LA as a destination, but it's more likely they're using LA as leverage. There's no guarantee any other free agent comes to LA. Randle, Clarkson, and #2 is straight up rape.


I think this was true in the past but due to the internet and social media, the allure of places like New York, Chicago and L.A. isn't as great as it once was. It used to be that you needed to be in these media centers to really cash in but that isn't true anymore. Guys are raking in the dough in smaller markets just the same. There's definitely still an attraction to putting on a Lakers uniform but I don't think the appeal is what it once was pre Twitter, Instagram...etc.

[imnew09]

Jordan plus Hill and Swaggy P for Cousins

No where else better than LA and the socal weather and hoes

[PejaNowitzki]

I know Cousins is a great individual talent but I still have questions whether he can lead a team to a title. It's not like he had zero help in Sac. Gay is a very good wing player. Collison is a decent PG and McLemore is an athletic wing. If you are that great, you should be able to win more games. Something seems off. Sort of like the Love in Minn situation.



As I said, I think the Lakers should resist the temptation to get overly dramatic, keep building their roster, developing their young talent and they should have a pretty good nucleus even after Kobe is gone.

Randle, Okafor, Kobe, Clarkson.....that's a playoff team in the West IMO if everyone is healthy.

[PejaNowitzki]

Jordan plus Hill and Swaggy P for Cousins

No where else better than LA and the socal weather and hoes


Yeah I'm sure that matters a whole lot to the Kings front office. :rolleyes:

[longtime lurker]

The Kings are the ones with the heavily in demand commodity, they set the price, if nobody is willing to agree to it, then they keep said commodity and keep on trucking. With Cousins locked up for a few more seasons, Sacramento is still in a position to tell teams to basically take it or leave it.

And the Lakers don't urgently need Cousins. The longer the Kings hold on to him the more toxic the relationship with George Karl will get and the worse his value is going to get or he'll just walk and they lose him for nothing. Kings should consider themselves lucky if they get the 2 and Randle. That's essentially two lottery picks for a player that they'll most definitely lose anyways. You think the Timberwolves are regretting the package they got for Love right now?

[ClipperRevival]

And the Lakers don't urgently need Cousins. The longer the Kings hold on to him the more toxic the relationship with George Karl will get and the worse his value is going to get or he'll just walk and they lose him for nothing. Kings should consider themselves lucky if they get the 2 and Randle. That's essentially two lottery picks for a player that they'll most definitely lose anyways. You think the Timberwolves are regretting the package they got for Love right now?

True. You can't ignore the relationship aspect. Gasol was never the same mentally when he was "traded" for CP3 and was involved in other trade rumors. He lost his motivation to play for us.

[NugzFan]

If the Kings want #2, Randle and Clarkson then they throw in the #6 that simple. It's easy as Mitch telling Sacremento they get #2 and another asset, and if they can find a team that beats that best of luck.

The lakers need cousins more than the kings have to get rid of him. He's signed for a few more years.

[PejaNowitzki]

And the Lakers don't urgently need Cousins. The longer the Kings hold on to him the more toxic the relationship with George Karl will get and the worse his value is going to get or he'll just walk and they lose him for nothing. Kings should consider themselves lucky if they get the 2 and Randle. That's essentially two lottery picks for a player that they'll most definitely lose anyways. You think the Timberwolves are regretting the package they got for Love right now?


The difference is that the Cousins contract isn't up anytime soon. He is under contract through the 2017-2018 seasonn. The Kings can hold on to him as long as they need to and he'll still be a valuable trade commodity.


Not only is a team getting Cousins at an affordable salary compared to what they will look like starting next offseason, they are getting a much better player than Love and one of the very best players in the NBA overall. I think at minimum that is worth the #2 and Randle.

[Rooster]

I know Cousins is a great individual talent but I still have questions whether he can lead a team to a title. It's not like he had zero help in Sac. Gay is a very good wing player. Collison is a decent PG and McLemore is an athletic wing. If you are that great, you should be able to win more games. Something seems off. Sort of like the Love in Minn situation.

I've been saying this all along, most if not all elite players can carry their team in 2 or 3 years to at least a playoff contender. Even 2nd tier great bigs like the Admiral did it right away. People keep making excuses about his help, most likely you're not elite despite what your numbers suggest if you're relying on your help to carry you.

[G-Funk]

They will meet somewhere in the middle, negotiation begin like this, start big.

[PejaNowitzki]

The lakers need cousins more than the kings have to get rid of him. He's signed for a few more years.



This. Lakers can wait three seasons to try and sign him as a free agent, or they can simply give in to what the Kings are asking, its that simple.

[PejaNowitzki]

They will meet somewhere in the middle, negotiation begin like this, start big.


I think the middle is the #2 and Randle plus a 2nd rounder or two thrown in. I never expected Clarkson to be part of the deal and I don't expect a deal gets done without both the #2 and Randle included.

[ClipperRevival]

The lakers need cousins more than the kings have to get rid of him. He's signed for a few more years.

We don't NEED Counsins. I am perfectly happy with 2, Randle and Clarkson and Black coming off the bench and going from there.

[ClipperRevival]

I've been saying this all along, most if not all elite players can carry their team in 2 or 3 years to at least a playoff contender. Even 2nd tier great bigs like the Admiral did it right away. People keep making excuses about his help, most likely you're not elite despite what your numbers suggest if you're relying on your help to carry you.

Yup. If you are a transcendant talent, you affect the w/l column. A. Davis. D. Robinson. T. Duncan. Shaq. Etc.

[longtime lurker]

[QUOTE=PejaNowitzkiI think the middle is the #2 and Randle plus a 2nd rounder or two thrown in. I never expected Clarkson to be part of the deal and I don't expect a deal gets done without both the #2 and Randle included.[/QUOTE]

If that's what you think then what the hell have you been prattling on about the past 2 pages?

[SwishSquared]

And the Lakers don't urgently need Cousins. The longer the Kings hold on to him the more toxic the relationship with George Karl will get and the worse his value is going to get or he'll just walk and they lose him for nothing. Kings should consider themselves lucky if they get the 2 and Randle. That's essentially two lottery picks for a player that they'll most definitely lose anyways. You think the Timberwolves are regretting the package they got for Love right now?Love was signed for 1 more season vs. 3 for Cousins. So different situation.

Cousins' contract is very appealing because if you have a clean cap sheet next summer, you can get 2 super max FAs to play alongside him. Potential formation of a Big 3

[PejaNowitzki]

If that's what you think then what the hell have you been prattling on about the past 2 pages?



The people claiming that #2 and Hill gets Cousins. :oldlol:



#2 and Randle plus filler(not Clarkson) seems perfectly fair to me as a neutral party. I don't think you can demand anymore than for Cousins realistically, a guy that is supremely talented but also has the reputation of being difficult to coach and deal with in general.

[WeGetRing2012]

Cousins is not the first piece you go out and get when trying to contend. He is the last piece.

Lakers please don't screw this up! Draft Jahlil and sign a big FA. I'm hoping the Magic,Nuggets, or Bostons comes in & offers something better!!

[brandonislegend]

Cousins would be nice. Dude is crazy but he's the best center in the league. Similar mindset to Westbrook.

[PejaNowitzki]

Cousins is not the first piece you go out and get when trying to contend. He is the last piece.

Lakers please don't screw this up! Draft Jahlil and sign a big FA. I'm hoping the Magic,Nuggets, or Bostons comes in & offers something better!!



Rather than blowing up the team, I would say go out and sign Dragic.


PG-Dragic
SG-Clarkson
SF-Kobe
PF-Randle
C-Okafor


Add bench depth via the remaining draft picks and some minor free agents and the Lakers are back in the playoffs next season.

[ClipperRevival]

Rather than blowing up the team, I would say go out and sign Dragic.


PG-Dragic
SG-Clarkson
SF-Kobe
PF-Randle
C-Okafor


Add bench depth via the remaining draft picks and some minor free agents and the Lakers are back in the playoffs next season.

Why on Earth would you want a 30 yr old pg? Small pgs have a terrible history when it comes to productivity into their 30's. We are rebuilding, we should stay away from anyone near 30.

[Mr. Jabbar]

no thanks. not sold on that head case

[longtime lurker]

Love was signed for 1 more season vs. 3 for Cousins. So different situation.

Cousins' contract is very appealing because if you have a clean cap sheet next summer, you can get 2 super max FAs to play alongside him. Potential formation of a Big 3

Again the Lakers don't "Need" Cousins. He has a great contract but he loses value every year he stays with the Kings and the relationship between him and Karl gets worse. Imagine if the relationship deteriorates to the point where the Kings send Cousins home. Yeah good luck getting any value for him then. The Kings shouldn't get too cute here. 2 lottery picks for Cousins is a decent haul.

[PejaNowitzki]

Why on Earth would you want a 30 yr old pg? Small pgs have a terrible history when it comes to productivity into their 30's. We are rebuilding, we should stay away from anyone near 30.


Because Dragic fills in another missing piece that allows you to be competitive even while rebuilding. He also provides a steady veteran for when Kobe is gone, at that point you can go full speed ahead after someone like Durant or any number of other free agents. You can then tell them flat out that they are the only missing piece from the team contending for a championship.

[longtime lurker]

The people claiming that #2 and Hill gets Cousins. :oldlol:



#2 and Randle plus filler(not Clarkson) seems perfectly fair to me as a neutral party. I don't think you can demand anymore than for Cousins realistically, a guy that is supremely talented but also has the reputation of being difficult to coach and deal with in general.

Well obviously those people are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[ClipperRevival]

Because Dragic fills in another missing piece that allows you to be competitive even while rebuilding. He also provides a steady veteran for when Kobe is gone, at that point you can go full speed ahead after someone like Durant or any number of other free agents.

What's the point of being competitive if you are rebuilding? To me, when you rebuild, you play your young players and let them gain experience. Dragic does nothing for our future but take up a huge chunk of the cap.

[Swaggin916]

This is just a completely stupid idea for the Lakers. You think about it if it's just the #2 pick/filler. Cousins has too many question marks... it's trading question marks for question marks... but at the same time, it is widely believed that Okafor will at least be a good player in the league and potentially a force so why would you give up any more than that.

[gts]

Cousins is not the first piece you go out and get when trying to contend. He is the last piece.

Lakers please don't screw this up! Draft Jahlil and sign a big FA. I'm hoping the Magic,Nuggets, or Bostons comes in & offers something better!!

What guarantee is there Okafor is going to be something special? There's a greater chance he's role player level than a franchise guy...

I'm not for or against Cousins vs keeping the pick and taking Okafor either one will be fun to have and watch develop but if you're basing your opinion on Okafor will definitely be better than Cousins brace yourself for disappointment because there's a good chance he won't be.

Cousins is a proven commodity, he can flat out play the game

This is the NBA and the leap from college to the NBA is huge, we've seen more big men go down in flames than those who were able to live up to their pre-draft hype

[PejaNowitzki]

What's the point of being competitive if you are rebuilding? To me, when you rebuild, you play your young players and let them gain experience. Dragic does nothing for our future but take up a huge chunk of the cap.


Who would Dragic be stopping from playing?

[PejaNowitzki]

What guarantee is there Okafor is going to be something special? There's a greater chance he's role player level than a franchise guy...

I'm not for or against Cousins vs keeping the pick and taking Okafor either one will be fun to have and watch develop but if you're basing your opinion on Okafor will definitely be better than Cousins brace yourself for disappointment because there's a good chance he won't be.

Cousins is a proven commodity, he can flat out play the game

This is the NBA and the leap from college to the NBA is huge, we've seen more big men go down in flames than those who were able to live up to their pre-draft hype




This is also true, if the Lakers opt not to make the deal because they want Okafor or Randle and one of those guys turns out to be an epic bust, it would be brutal, and vice versa is true if the Kings made the trade.

[SwishSquared]

Again the Lakers don't "Need" Cousins. He has a great contract but he loses value every year he stays with the Kings and the relationship between him and Karl gets worse. Imagine if the relationship deteriorates to the point where the Kings send Cousins home. Yeah good luck getting any value for him then. The Kings shouldn't get too cute here. 2 lottery picks for Cousins is a decent haul.True, but they can shop him for a better haul or try to actually build around him for once. Imagine managing to build around a top 10 player haha.

Also, although Randle is basically a rookie, he's got enough injury (dating back to high school) concerns to knock his value somewhat. Just my opinion, but it's not exactly like getting 2 lotto picks for him. #2 is a great trade piece, and so is Randle potentially, but he's got some risk now. That's why SAC should demand more from a negotiation standpoint.

Maybe it seems like semantics on my part, just my 2 cents

[Rooster]

Who would Dragic be stopping from playing?

Clarkson. :confusedshrug:

Clarkson is a combo guard who needs the ball to be effective.

[ClipperRevival]

Who would Dragic be stopping from playing?

That's not the point. The point is, the guy is 30 and a small pg and small pgs have a terrible history of production once they play into their 30's. He does nothing for us but take a huge chunk of the cap. We are building for the future.

[gts]

This is also true, if the Lakers opt not to make the deal because they want Okafor or Randle and one of those guys turns out to be an epic bust, it would be brutal, and vice versa is true if the Kings made the trade.Yep that's why the Lakers will have to pay dearly to get Cousins... the unknown commodities vs the known commodity

When a player is as good as Cousins you can't just offer up guys with potential...

[WeGetRing2012]

Rather than blowing up the team, I would say go out and sign Dragic.


PG-Dragic
SG-Clarkson
SF-Kobe
PF-Randle
C-Okafor


Add bench depth via the remaining draft picks and some minor free agents and the Lakers are back in the playoffs next season.

Yeah Im not sure about Dragic either. I like Love, Aldridge, and Butler (RFA) the most.

[bobopenguin]

u guys tend to forget one thing, Lakers FO has no interest in long term rebuilding progress.. it was said before.. Jenny wants back to be contender ASAP.

u actually think JC+Randle+oka = instant contender?

u guys really gonna sit on the side of arena watch these guys "developed" for who knows how many seasons until Lakers are back in championship contender?

face it, the Lakers tradition post kobe time - rob other team's franchise players. and that's the most effective/fast/easy way to be back on top.

let small teams develop talented players, then we rob the sh*t out of them, that's how we roll.

we get cousins now, then aims for Love or LMA, then Dragic, that's the plan.

[gts]

When we got the pick in the lottery I was happy because one of the beauties of having a top pick in the draft is the options it gives a team... They don't have to use it in the draft, it's just as valuable if not more bringing talent to the team in other ways and I'm glad to hear the Lakers are exploring all options with the pick

The draft is a crapshoot, you really don't know what you're going to get until you see it in action over a season or two...

[ClipperRevival]

u guys tend to forget one thing, Lakers FO has no interest in long term rebuilding progress.. it was said before.. Jenny wants back to be contender ASAP.

u actually think JC+Randle+oka = instant contender?

u guys really gonna sit on the side of arena watch these guys "developed" for who knows how many seasons until Lakers are back in championship contender?

face it, the Lakers tradition post kobe time - rob other team's franchise players. and that's the most effective/fast/easy way to be back on top.

let small teams develop talented players, then we rob the sh*t out of them, that's how we roll.

we get cousins now, then aims for Love or LMA, then Dragic, that's the plan.

You could be right. Afterall, we did offer the max to 36 year old Dirk last year.

[SwishSquared]

Rather than blowing up the team, I would say go out and sign Dragic.


PG-Dragic
SG-Clarkson
SF-Kobe
PF-Randle
C-Okafor


Add bench depth via the remaining draft picks and some minor free agents and the Lakers are back in the playoffs next season.I disagree they get back in the playoffs with that roster. Rookies are often replacement level or worse in their overall impact. Randle/Okafor likely is awful defensively their first year together and the offense in all probability won't compensate enough to be a playoff team. Even if Dallas and Portland both miss playoffs, I see OKC and Utah taking their spot.

It's conjecture on my part but there's too little experience. Unless you pay big bucks on role players like Danny Green, Carroll, etc. I don't see it.

[HOoopCityJones]

We don't NEED Counsins. I am perfectly happy with 2, Randle and Clarkson and Black coming off the bench and going from there.

This.

We don't fuccing need Cousins , we're rebuilding either way if we land him or not. :oldlol:

We keep our assets, we're developing a young core that'll take a few years to compete. We trade it all away , all we have is Cousins.

We don't need him more so than the Kings need to get rid of him so Karl can have his lockeroom.

[brandonislegend]

Cousins is 24. We will have crazy cap space next season also.

[HOoopCityJones]

And who exactly was in a rush to play with Cousins when he was even younger in SAC? No one.

Let's stop acting like Cousins is some game changer. If Kobe was still in his prime and we had a few pieces ready to go, then yea this would be big, but right now it just looks like we're trading for Demarcus Cousins.

[oh the horror]

And who exactly was in a rush to play with Cousins when he was even younger in SAC? No one.

Let's stop acting like Cousins is some game changer. If Kobe was still in his prime and we had a few pieces ready to go, then yea this would be big, but right now it just looks like we're trading for Demarcus Cousins.



That's exactly what they'd be doing. All of their young exciting assets for one single player surrounded next season by an old busted Kobe and a series of broken ass role players. Until they can HOPE to sign free agents whom aren't even guarantees right now. Besides who would they paid Cousins with that would make any difference?



I'm sorry but anyone that thinks we can just sign whoever whenever is fu*king fooling themselves. If the Lakers give up that much to land c
cousins then I'm done because they're idiots. Let the dude walk.

[brandonislegend]

And who exactly was in a rush to play with Cousins when he was even younger in SAC? No one.

Let's stop acting like Cousins is some game changer. If Kobe was still in his prime and we had a few pieces ready to go, then yea this would be big, but right now it just looks like we're trading for Demarcus Cousins.

Who is in a rush to play in Sacramento? Their owner said they should play defense 5 on 4 so they can get fast breaks....

[HOoopCityJones]

That's exactly what they'd be doing. All of their young exciting assets for one single player surrounded next season by an old busted Kobe and a series of broken ass role players. Until they can HOPE to sign free agents whom aren't even guarantees right now. Besides who would they paid Cousins with that would make any difference?



I'm sorry but anyone that thinks we can just sign whoever whenever is fu*king fooling themselves. If the Lakers give up that much to land c
cousins then I'm done because they're idiots. Let the dude walk.

This guy gets it. :applause: :cheers:

[oh the horror]

I just don't get it. They spent multiple seasons to accumulate assets and finally have a small handful and they'll trade all of those for one player and then what? Hope to land more free agents? How many dudes want to play with Boogie?


Especially boogie and not much else? I don't know fellas

[G-Funk]

Or Lakers can pass, sign a big free agent this year and another 2 next year. They will have the cap space.

Okafor
Julius
Clarkson
All-star
All-star
All-star

[HOoopCityJones]

I just don't get it. They spent multiple seasons to accumulate assets and finally have a small handful and they'll trade all of those for one player and then what? Hope to land more free agents? How many dudes want to play with Boogie?


Especially boogie and not much else? I don't know fellas

Mitch better tread lightly is all I know, because if it's Jimmy whispering in his ear to get this deal done if I was him i'd fight against it with all of my being. He can't afford another set back like the Nash/Dwight fiasco and even that deal made more sense than this. Literally gutting all of your assets for one player is damn near suicidal and Jim wont get blamed , all of this shit will fall squarely on Mitch's shoulders as the GM, so if I was him i'd use my head instead of my ears.

A lot of hyperbole coming from media and fans alike , but this is the wrong move point blank, we'll regret this. I can see it from a mile out.

[Legends66NBA7]

Not with his questionable attitude and the fact that he still can't impact his team's w/l column. Kings had some talent. Gay, Collison, Mclemore. I would be pissed if we did this trade.

That isn't talent worth talking about. Rudy has been an underachiever throughout his career, Collison is a journeyman, and Mclemore sucks.


I'd take the trade if I'm the Lakers because the rest of the talent won't measure up to Cousins. But putting Cousins in the big lights of LA, I can see his immature attitude being an even bigger problem. Does Love still consider coming to LA ?

[Bosnian Sajo]

As good as Cousins is...he has never played in the playoffs and had to get his lone All star appearance as a injury replacement. Give up all our young assets for a one time allstar (baaaarley) who has never in 5 years sniffed the playoffs? You guys always talk about how Clarkson was stuffing the stat sheet on a bad team or whoever, but how about Cousins? His stats are inflated as well.

Kings have a grumpy star center with a coach who wants him gone, while the Lakers have a good solid young big 3 with whoever this pick ends up being, I'd say we have leverage over the Kings in this deal. If anything wait it out, but if Kings don't budge, we shouldn't either. We still have cap space to possibly sign LMA or Love, with Wade and Rondo being possibilities as well. Kobe's contract coming off the books next season as well, could easily pick up a big time free agent to mesh with our 3 youngsters, Kobe, and whatever FA we pick up.

[longtime lurker]

I just don't get it. They spent multiple seasons to accumulate assets and finally have a small handful and they'll trade all of those for one player and then what? Hope to land more free agents? How many dudes want to play with Boogie?


Especially boogie and not much else? I don't know fellas

What seasons? The Lakers are in this position because they gave up picks for a broken down geriatric that was masquerading as a point guard. They've only been in the lottery 2 seasons. They just plain sucked, they didn't have a plan hence why instead of actually accumulating assets they resigned Jordan Hill and Nick Young to a long term contract :facepalm

Let me ask you what's Okafor"s ceiling? 22 and 10 big man with little defensive presence? Cousins is averaging 24 and 13 with above average passing ability and solid defense to boot. Yes the whole point of trading him is to attract free agents. No superstar is going to sign onto a rebuilding team, it just doesn't happen. I know as Lakers fans we think that a core of Okafor, Randle and Clarkson is actually appealing but the reality is that they're unproven and most likely will be good but not great. With Cousins comes legitimacy. Free agents will actual pay attention. Case in point Aldridge.

[HOoopCityJones]

As good as Cousins is...he has never played in the playoffs and had to get his lone All star appearance as a injury replacement. Give up all our young assets for a one time allstar (baaaarley) who has never in 5 years sniffed the playoffs? You guys always talk about how Clarkson was stuffing the stat sheet on a bad team or whoever, but how about Cousins? His stats are inflated as well.

Kings have a grumpy star center with a coach who wants him gone, while the Lakers have a good solid young big 3 with whoever this pick ends up being, I'd say we have leverage over the Kings in this deal. If anything wait it out, but if Kings don't budge, we shouldn't either. We still have cap space to possibly sign LMA or Love, with Wade and Rondo being possibilities as well. Kobe's contract coming off the books next season as well, could easily pick up a big time free agent to mesh with our 3 youngsters, Kobe, and whatever FA we pick up.

That's exactly why ni99as saying we need this deal more than SAC got me dying. :roll:

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Melo, at 26, with less than a year left on his deal, got 5 decent players and 2 picks. But Cousins, at 24, with 3 years left on his deal, isn't worth 1 (very good) pick, a below average PG at a stacked position, and an unknown quantity?

If LakerNation was around in 96 they would have complained about giving Shaq the max

[Legends66NBA7]

What seasons? The Lakers are in this position because they gave up picks for a broken down geriatric that was masquerading as a point guard. They've only been in the lottery 2 seasons. They just plain sucked, they didn't have a plan hence why instead of actually accumulating assets they resigned Jordan Hill and Nick Young to a long term contract :facepalm

Let me ask you what's Okafor"s ceiling? 22 and 10 big man with little defensive presence? Cousins is averaging 24 and 13 with above average passing ability and solid defense to boot. Yes the whole point of trading him is to attract free agents. No superstar is going to sign onto a rebuilding team, it just doesn't happen. I know as Lakers fans we think that a core of Okafor, Randle and Clarkson is actually appealing but the reality is that they're unproven and most likely will be good but not great. With Cousins comes legitimacy. Free agents will actual pay attention. Case in point Aldridge.

Exactly this.

That's why you make the trade; Okafor may or may not even reach that level and that's with his defense in question. Randle has had injury trouble before he came into the NBA and I don't see Clarkson as anything special and that's in a loaded position.

You get Cousins and then build around him through draft and FA's. The question if this does go down, can Cousins be the main guy for a playoff team/contender ?

[HOoopCityJones]

Some of you hear certain names and start seeing stars.

Gutting all our assets for one player sets the Lakers back big time , plain and simple. If this was AD, Durant , Curry or even Lebron, some of you would have a point. But it's Demarcus Cousins.

I can't fathom how some of you can harp on Kevin Love for empty stats but then act like DMC is a game changer.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Melo, at 26, with less than a year left on his deal, got 5 decent players and 2 picks. But Cousins, at 24, with 3 years left on his deal, isn't worth 1 (very good) pick, a below average PG at a stacked position, and an unknown quantity?

If LakerNation was around in 96 they would have complained about giving Shaq the max

Melo was a multiple time allstar and scoring leader, in the playoffs every year of his career. Made it all the way to the WCF with the Nugs and made it to game 6, what the PHUCK has Cousins done to warrant such a comparison?

[HOoopCityJones]

Melo, at 26, with less than a year left on his deal, got 5 decent players and 2 picks. But Cousins, at 24, with 3 years left on his deal, isn't worth 1 (very good) pick, a below average PG at a stacked position, and an unknown quantity?

If LakerNation was around in 96 they would have complained about giving Shaq the max

DMC is 96' Shaq now? :biggums:



Melo was a multiple time allstar and scoring leader, in the playoffs every year of his career. Made it all the way to the WCF with the Nugs and made it to game 6, what the PHUCK has Cousins done to warrant such a comparison?




:roll:

[bobopenguin]

That's exactly why ni99as saying we need this deal more than SAC got me dying. :roll:

so what if either one of Randle or okafor turns out to be anthony Bennett? The whole core is bust.
unproven rookies are huge gambles, while u have big tasty turkey on the table and u gonna pass that up?
Jc + great randle + great Okafor > JC or Randle + current cousins > JC + randle + bust okafar = jc + bust randle + okafor.

this is the simple maths.

[bballnoob1192]

True. You can't ignore the relationship aspect. Gasol was never the same mentally when he was "traded" for CP3 and was involved in other trade rumors. He lost his motivation to play for us.
that was the biggest **** up in that whole veto BS.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Exactly this.

That's why you make the trade; Okafor may or may not even reach that level and that's with his defense in question. Randle has had injury trouble before he came into the NBA and I don't see Clarkson as anything special and that's in a loaded position.

You get Cousins and then build around him through draft and FA's. The question if this does go down, can Cousins be the main guy for a playoff team/contender ?

We almost 100% aren't going to have a pick next season. Its not about is Cousins> Okafor/Randle or not, its having assets and rookie contracts to be in position to sign these free agents. GSW signed Iggy and Lee while all their now main players were on their rookie deals, that is how it is supposed to be.

Take for example the Knicks who traded away all their young assets for Melo like a poster mentioned above...where the hell are they now? What have they accomplished with Melo, 1 second round exit? What free agent wouldn't wanna play next to Melo in NY, right? Wrong. Passssssssssssssssss

[HOoopCityJones]

so what if either one of Randle or okafor turns out to be anthony Bennett? The whole core is bust.
unproven rookies are huge gambles, while u have big tasty turkey on the table and u gonna pass that up?
Jc + great randle + great Okafor > JC or Randle + current cousins > JC + randle + bust okafar = jc + bust randle + okafor.

this is the simple maths.

They'd still be assets , just like Bennett is right now. Minne has numerous Teams inquiring about him if you haven't heard. That's worse case scenario.

But I'm not banking on every single one of them being a bust just for the sake of it. Why should I assume Cousins presence alone will attract anyone here? :confusedshrug:

Simple maths , yet you can't seem to decipher trading away all of our only viable assets for one player is the definition of stupid. :facepalm

[Bosnian Sajo]

so what if either one of Randle or okafor turns out to be anthony Bennett? The whole core is bust.
unproven rookies are huge gambles, while u have big tasty turkey on the table and u gonna pass that up?
Jc + great randle + great Okafor > JC or Randle + current cousins > JC + randle + bust okafar = jc + bust randle + okafor.

this is the simple maths.

Still rather have JC and Randle rookie contracts going into this FA and next. ESPECIALLY next. And I doubt anyone we pick #2 will bust that hard, at worst Okafor can get it done on the offensive end of the floor. Huge frame, big ass ****ing hands. Monstrous. Bennet is a short pudgy under achiever, undersized 4. Not everyone can be Draymond Green.

[bobopenguin]

We almost 100% aren't going to have a pick next season. Its not about is Cousins> Okafor/Randle or not, its having assets and rookie contracts to be in position to sign these free agents. GSW signed Iggy and Lee while all their now main players were on their rookie deals, that is how it is supposed to be.

Take for example the Knicks who traded away all their young assets for Melo like a poster mentioned above...where the hell are they now? What have they accomplished with Melo, 1 second round exit? What free agent wouldn't wanna play next to Melo in NY, right? Wrong. Passssssssssssssssss

u cant say that, Amare was there before Melo, no one expected Amare to decline like that. Melo was recruited to pair up with Amare to make a noise in eastern conf. Then they even got chandler who just came out from the champion team.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I really hope Mitch is reading this thread, its basically a FAQ on how not to **** up a franchise with young assets :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

u cant say that, Amare was there before Melo, no one expected Amare to decline like that. Melo was recruited to pair up with Amare to make a noise in eastern conf. Then they even got chandler who just came out from the champion team.

Exactly, chemistry goes a long way. We were lucky Gasol and Kobe were a match made in heaven, not everyone strikes gold like that. Obviously Melo/Amare/Chandler didn't gel like they "should have". On top of that they had Shump, Jr, Prigioni who were all big in the playoffs for their teams (Prigioni was all right, give it to the man). Who else, I know they had more pretty good role players. Failed.

[bobopenguin]

Simple maths , yet you can't seem to decipher trading away all of our only viable assets for one player is the definition of stupid. :facepalm

not all bruh,
if we can get cousins by giving #2 + randle or JC + fillers.
still get to keep one of the young.

[brownmamba00]

I really hope Mitch is reading this thread, its basically a FAQ on how not to **** up a franchise with young assets :oldlol:
If Mitch can pull it off without giving up Randle...Im down with DMC in LA.

Dude is a beast in the paint.

[Bosnian Sajo]

If Mitch can pull it off without giving up Randle...Im down with DMC in LA.

Dude is a beast in the paint.

Me too, #2 and anything other than JC and Randle. People don't understand that what separates JC is his work ethic, he will be big. Really think Randle will be good too, he looks promising.

[HOoopCityJones]

Randle or the number 2.

All three and they can go fucc themselves while eating Indian food.

[Legends66NBA7]

Some of you hear certain names and start seeing stars.

Gutting all our assets for one player sets the Lakers back big time , plain and simple. If this was AD, Durant , Curry or even Lebron, some of you would have a point. But it's Demarcus Cousins.

I can't fathom how some of you can harp on Kevin Love for empty stats but then act like DMC is a game changer.

To Love and Cousins defense, they were part of the 2 worst managed basketball teams in the NBA and it shows in the results at this point in time. Minnesota and Sacramento have the 2 longest active playoff droughts. Love did have more talent around him, but they were either not THAT good or they were injured along with himself. Cousins talent around him were mediocre or just garbage.

Minnesota could have had both of them by 2010 if they just drafted Cousins (they took Wesley Johnson a pick over him) and the basketball community would probably talking about how great of a duo they are.


We almost 100% aren't going to have a pick next season.

My bad. Never mind the draft then.


Its not about is Cousins> Okafor/Randle or not, its having assets and rookie contracts to be in position to sign these free agents. GSW signed Iggy and Lee while all their now main players were on their rookie deals, that is how it is supposed to be.

But thats also because their younger talents turned out to be a superstar and excellent role players. Curry is the MVP of the league and the greatest 3 point shooter of all-time. Klay Thompson is a huge compliment to Curry with his range and defense. Barnes and Green are 3 and D players in a league that is starting to blossom into 3 and D players.

I cant see Okafor, Randle, and Clarkson bringing similar results or FAs being interested in their core, unless they want to keep rebuilding through them. Cousins isnt even that old and they have him for another 3 years.


Take for example the Knicks who traded away all their young assets for Melo like a poster mentioned above...where the hell are they now? What have they accomplished with Melo, 1 second round exit? What free agent wouldn't wanna play next to Melo in NY, right? Wrong. Passssssssssssssssss

It could turn out like that, but to not repeat the same mistake NY did with Melo is to not give him another contract if things dont work out in LA. If they arent in the playoffs and there is a problem with him, you let him walk. This is indeed a high risk, but you get the best talent available.

[bobopenguin]

Me too, #2 and anything other than JC and Randle. People don't understand that what separates JC is his work ethic, he will be big. Really think Randle will be good too, he looks promising.

i know we like to rob someone.. but that's like plain raping Kings in the butt..

i think it's at least #2 and one of the young guy.

[brownmamba00]

Me too, #2 and anything other than JC and Randle. People don't understand that what separates JC is his work ethic, he will be big. Really think Randle will be good too, he looks promising.
2nd pick and JC(+fillers to make it work)...if they want more than that they can suck a dick.

[Bosnian Sajo]

But thats also because their younger talents turned out to be a superstar and excellent role players. Curry is the MVP of the league and the greatest 3 point shooter of all-time. Klay Thompson is a huge compliment to Curry with his range and defense. Barnes and Green are 3 and D players in a league that is starting to blossom into 3 and D players.



I cant see Okafor, Randle, and Clarkson bringing similar results or FAs being interested in their core, unless they want to keep rebuilding through them. Cousins isnt even that old and they have him for another 3 years.




Not when Iggy and Lee just signed with them. They were good players, but not GREAT. I feel like we, as the Lakers, one of if not the biggest market team will have no trouble surrounding those three with proven talent in FA. Kobe's contract coming off the books, 3 rookie deals (one of them being a 2nd rounder contract, under 1m) = LOTS of options in FA. Think Miami 2010 with better supporting cast (Kobe=Wade).

Addition without subtraction is better than addition and subtraction.

[ImKobe]

kings will be forced to give up their 6th pick as well if they want either Randle or Clarkson...Lakers aren't going to trade away 3 potential all-stars for one guy who doesn't even want to play for his team.

Only way Kings would get a better offer is if Wolves were desperate and were willing to offer Pek + Towns.

Kings will be forced to either trade Cousins or fire Karl, who got signed for 4 yrs 15 mil

read an article on Karl saying the Kings aren't going to get a difference maker at the 6th pick so I don't see why he wouldn't be okay with trading it for Randle or Clarkson.

[coin24]

You have to remember Karl is an anti superstar grumpy old turd..

[Jasi]

Lakers fan seriously want to give up pick #2 to get DMC?

[ImKobe]

All things considered though, Cousins is not worth more than the #2 pick + filler considering the toxic situation in Sacramento, especially if he wants out and him saying he wants to play for the Lakers.

[ImKobe]

Lakers fan seriously want to give up pick #2 to get DMC?

DMC has proven to be able to produce, how many big men in the league are currently putting up the kind of production he has? He's only 24 years old.

Who is our best option out of the draft? Okafor?

It's a low risk move for the Lakers because they want to win right away and they are getting a guy with experience and who is top 3 at worst in his position for a guy who hasn't shown much potential on defense and who can't really shoot the ball outside of 5 ft.

[fiddy]

Lakers fan seriously want to give up pick #2 to get DMC?
Yes, #2 pick, + future 1st rounders + filler for DMC is a good deal.

[Jasi]

In a longer term view it makes no sense.
It makes sense if you have the urge to win now, which I understand is the case "because Kobe so wants".
Well DMC surely can produce in regular season games... I am not sure I'd want him in my team in a tight playoff series though.

[triangleoffense]

I know Cousins is a great individual talent but I still have questions whether he can lead a team to a title. It's not like he had zero help in Sac. Gay is a very good wing player. Collison is a decent PG and McLemore is an athletic wing. If you are that great, you should be able to win more games. Something seems off. Sort of like the Love in Minn situation.
This... his ability is still unknown.. might be an empty stats kind of person like Love or even David Lee in NY.

[Cosmonaut]

Kobe and Dwight didn't work out.

What makes you think Kobe and Cousins would work out, I guarantee Cousins would quit mid season cause Dwight barely lasted one season

[Ca$H]

This... his ability is still unknown.. might be an empty stats kind of person like Love or even David Lee in NY.

Okafor will be an empty stats guy in the NBA.

[Springsteen]

Could this be the Melo trade for the Lakers? Giving up a quality pick and young assets for a top 10 player in the league right now?

[longtime lurker]

Could this be the Melo trade for the Lakers? Giving up a quality pick and young assets for a top 10 player in the league right now?

No. The Knicks were absolutely wrecked in the Melo trade. Gave up 4 rotation players, multiple picks and were forced to take on Billup's contract. Lakers would be giving up 1 pick and 1 young player at the most.

[hawksdogsbraves]

No. The Knicks were absolutely wrecked in the Melo trade. Gave up 4 rotation players, multiple picks and were forced to take on Billup's contract. Lakers would be giving up 1 pick and 1 young player at the most.

Could be a Love trade though :rolleyes:

[Levity]

Kobe and Dwight didn't work out.

What makes you think Kobe and Cousins would work out, I guarantee Cousins would quit mid season cause Dwight barely lasted one season

not the same situation at all. Dwight was coming back from back surgery and throughout the whole season, he claimed he wasnt ready nor near 100%, but at the same time, he wanted to be the focal point on offense. (even though he had no offensive game)

Cousins isnt injured and has the type of offensive game for a big that Kobe loves. Kobe is also 3 years past who he was when he played with dwight. and his game and mentality have adjusted since then. He would embrace Cousins with open arms and would continually force feed him in the post, or run a beautiful pick and pop with him.

but all this is moot, because I dont think we'll get cousins. We'll end up drafting Oak (would prefer Russel) and go from there

[brownmamba00]

Woj reporting Lakers still leaning Okafor...

Russell may be a smokescreen in an attempt to pressure Sac to make a deal, if Okafor is their guy.

Talks last night ended after Sacramento asked for Clarkson, Randle, #2, + more draft assets (crazy).

Have not started back up today, but could at any time.


lmao this vivek guy is retarded

[gts]

Reports are Lakers are not moving Randle, they like him a lot... Which is good

[oh the horror]

Woj reporting Lakers still leaning Okafor...

Russell may be a smokescreen in an attempt to pressure Sac to make a deal, if Okafor is their guy.

Talks last night ended after Sacramento asked for Clarkson, Randle, #2, + more draft assets (crazy).

Have not started back up today, but could at any time.


lmao this vivek guy is retarded





Yeah....thanks but no thanks. That's way too much for the Lakers with the position they're in

[Asiantastic]

Woj reporting Lakers still leaning Okafor...

Russell may be a smokescreen in an attempt to pressure Sac to make a deal, if Okafor is their guy.

Talks last night ended after Sacramento asked for Clarkson, Randle, #2, + more draft assets (crazy).

Have not started back up today, but could at any time.


lmao this vivek guy is retarded

Yesss! In Mitch we trust :bowdown:

[JerrySeinfeld]

This is really Sacramento's best chance to part with Cousins who is only gonna leave once his contract is up anyways, and could become a problem before then since their coach has already expressed his dislike for him.

[brownmamba00]

@boogiecousins 10m10 minutes ago
What's done in the dark comes to the light ...��

:lebronamazed:

[oh the horror]

These cryptic emo posts from these young players are
Getting on my nerves

[PejaNowitzki]

This is really Sacramento's best chance to part with Cousins who is only gonna leave once his contract is up anyways, and could become a problem before then since their coach has already expressed his dislike for him.


He's under contract for 3 more seasons. They'll have other opportunities to deal him.

[gts]

Kings are not asking too much for Cousins, he's a special talent and they should get a heck of a package for him but what they're asking for is more than the Lakers should part with...

I would go Randle and #2 and somebody not named Clarkson for Cousins and the #6... Not enough for the Kings I know, I wouldn't take it but from where the Lakers are it's about the most they should offer up

[STATUTORY]

:lebronamazed:

boogie sounding like that red headed chick in Game of Thrones :roll: :roll:

[Springsteen]

boogie sounding like that red headed chick in Game of Thrones :roll: :roll:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CINV3R0WUAAisXd.png

[ortonsaw]

i would trade clarkson, randle, and #2 pick for cousins in a heartbeat
i dont care how special they are but cousins is the best center in the league now and he is only going to get better

[DMAVS41]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CINV3R0WUAAisXd.png
:eek: :bowdown:

[livinglegend]

:roll: