MJ is the GOAT and here is why:

[riseagainst]

we all know he's the best scorer in NBA history, especially in post season, not even close for that.
He's a ferocious defender as well, we all know how he can shut down most perimeter players. But look at this video about his defense on big men:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B0y2JNm9mI

list of big men in the video:
- Tim Duncan
- David Robinson
- Patrick Ewing
- Kevin Willis
- Antoine Carr
- Vlade Divac
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Alonzo Mourning
- Shawn Kemp
- Karl Malone
- Bill Walton
- Robert Parish
- Kevin McHale
- Dale Davis


:bowdown:

[EllisGW]

If mj is goat then why did the Bulls not have a significant drop off when he left. The Bulls won over 50 games without Jordan and was one game a away from the east finals.

[3ball]

If mj is goat then why did the Bulls not have a significant drop off when he left. The Bulls won over 50 games without Jordan and was one game a away from the east finals.
The Bulls needed MJ to lead the league in scoring and be the greatest scorer the game's ever seen for every championship they won - specifically, they needed him to average 35 PPG and 7 APG in the playoffs thru his first 3-peat, and 36 PPG and 8 APG in the Finals.. This proves he had the least scoring help of any player ever.

So the 1994 Bulls didn't win because they had talented players that could score a lot of points - they won because of the superior strategy, teamwork, and mental ability they accumulated while 3-peating with MJ...

The 1990, 1991, of 1992 Bulls don't win 55 games without MJ - only a team that had developed and accumulated sufficient strategy and mental ability from 3-peating could win 55 with that low level of talent.. Of course, reality came to light in the playoffs, where the Bulls proved to be an ordinary 2nd round exit team, just like say, this year's 55-win Grizzlies..

If MJ took this year's Griz to a 3-peat dynasty, he'd be considered GOAT... But ironically, the Grizzlies roster demonstrates how little talent those 1994 Bulls had, because this year's Griz would never need MJ to average 32 PPG and lead the league in scoring in order to 3-peat... They have way more talent and wouldn't need MJ to do that.. But the Bulls DID need 32 PPG from MJ, which shows how little talent they had - with such little talent, the only way they win 55 games is by using superior strategy, teamwork and mental ability accumulated from playing with MJ.
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[Trollsmasher]

1-9

[3ball]

1-9


1-9 with no all-stars.

Otoh, Zydrunas Illgauskas was named an all-star in 2003 and 2005.. So Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 despite having an All-Star on his team.. And when he won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with the help of a 2-time All-Star.

Otoh, MJ never played with an all-star during his early playoff career... But once he got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6.. Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami.

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2015/_CiUgr.gif


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2015/7-w55S.gif


The OP video is awesome, but it left out MJ destroying Hakeem, so I added a couple GIFs above.. Also, starting at the 5:58 mark of OP's video, MJ destroys Shaq for 2 straight minutes including 5-6 blocks..

At the 9:08 mark, MJ wins a jumpball vs. David Robinson and then plays volleyball with Duncan's shot attempt.. It's remarkable how much 35-year old MJ dominated Robinson and Duncan during his only 2 meetings with them in 1998.

Btw, MJ put far more effort into defense than Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Durant, you name it.. MJ's superior effort coupled with his superior quickness gives him a big edge defensively over these players.
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[jlip]

Seriously, this is one of the worst or at least most misleading highlight videos I've ever seen taking into consideration its title. From the title one would expect it to be a video of MJ actually serving as a primary defender against big men in the half court. Instead 90% of it was basically him either playing the passing lanes deflecting a pass thrown by or intended for a big man or him stripping/ blocking a big man from the blind side as part of a double team. One could do a highlight video of Nate Robinson doing that.

[3ball]

One could do a highlight video of Nate Robinson doing that.


Did Nate Robinson, Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Durant, or any player you can think of get 100 blocks and 200 steals in a single season?

No... only MJ... And he did it twice.. MJ was the greatest wing defender of all time..

Detroit's Rodman, Moncrief, Pippen, and Payton are the only ones on his level - MJ belongs in this top group, while Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Durant and company do not.. :confusedshrug:
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[GIF REACTION]

1-9
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sick_reference_bro_this_is_the_end.gif

[dubeta]

True, MJ easily has a argument for anywhere from 1-9 all time :applause:

[WorldWarriors]

1-9 with no all-stars.

Otoh, Zydrunas Illgauskas was named an all-star in 2003 and 2005.. So Lebron missed the playoffs in 2005 despite having an All-Star on his team.. And when he won his first playoff game in 2006, he did so with the help of a 2-time All-Star.

Otoh, MJ never played with an all-star during his early playoff career... But once he got just 1 all-star, he went 6/6.. Whereas, Lebron missed the playoffs despite having an all-star, and only went 2/4 with two all-stars in Miami. It's not even the fact he had no all stars. He was going up against some brutal and ferocious defenses that would be impossible to comprehend by today's standards. People forgot what beasts NY, Boston and Detroit were on defense. MJ got beat down on the regular.

[GIF REACTION]

True, MJ easily has a argument for anywhere from 1-9 all time :applause:
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sick_reference_bro_this_is_the_end.gif

[3ball]

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Btw, let's not forget MJ posterized the most big men of any wing player ever (except Dr. J) - let's start with Shaq:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dunks_on_Shaq_7a78ff0a205611c2aaf2fcf2af13f 605.gif

[JellyBean]

Kareem is the GOAT

[3ball]

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Alonzo Mourning:


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[BBallZen83]

The Bulls needed MJ to lead the league in scoring and be the greatest scorer the game's ever seen for every championship they won - specifically, they needed him to average 35 PPG and 7 APG in the playoffs thru his first 3-peat, and 36 PPG and 8 APG in the Finals.. This proves he had the least scoring help of any player ever.

So the 1994 Bulls didn't win because they had talented players that could score a lot of points - they won because of the superior strategy, teamwork, and mental ability they accumulated while 3-peating with MJ...

The 1990, 1991, of 1992 Bulls don't win 55 games without MJ - only a team that had developed and accumulated sufficient strategy and mental ability from 3-peating could win 55 with that low level of talent.. Of course, reality came to light in the playoffs, where the Bulls proved to be an ordinary 2nd round exit team, just like say, this year's 55-win Grizzlies..

If MJ took this year's Griz to a 3-peat dynasty, he'd be considered GOAT... But ironically, the Grizzlies roster demonstrates how little talent those 1994 Bulls had, because this year's Griz would never need MJ to average 32 PPG and lead the league in scoring in order to 3-peat... They have way more talent and wouldn't need MJ to do that.. But the Bulls DID need 32 PPG from MJ, which shows how little talent they had - with such little talent, the only way they win 55 games is by using superior strategy, teamwork and mental ability accumulated from playing with MJ.
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DUDE! Stop being insecure about MJ! You don't have to post a paragraph in defense of him in response to every troll post. Seriously... Just not necessary.

When you see a troll post about MJ, just take deep breaths and count to 10, then repeat this phrase until calmness and serenity return "MJ is the most unanimous GOAT of any sport ever. His legacy is untouchable. Everything is ok."

Got it?

[buddha]

If mj is goat then why did the Bulls not have a significant drop off when he left. The Bulls won over 50 games without Jordan and was one game a away from the east finals.

do you think

Kyrie Irving / Matthew Dellevadova
Iman Shumpert / Mike Miller
J.R. Smith / James Jones / Shawn Marion
Kevin Love / Tristan Thompson
Timofey Mozgov / Kendrick Perkins

wouldn't win 50 games in the east?

[3ball]

When you see a troll post about MJ, just take deep breaths and count to 10, then repeat this phrase until calmness and serenity return "MJ is the most unanimous GOAT of any sport ever. His legacy is untouchable. Everything is ok."


Relax, it's all copy and paste.

Also, you gotta admit, that's a pretty good explanation for how the Bulls managed to win 55 games despite having so little talent, that they needed MJ to lead the league in scoring every year and be the greatest scorer the game's ever seen..

Not an easy thing to explain.. But most people don't realize that talent doesn't win 3-peats... Superior strategy, teamwork, and mental ability does.

[BBallZen83]

Relax, it's all copy and paste.

Also, you gotta admit, that's a pretty good explanation for how the Bulls managed to win 55 games despite having so little talent, that they needed MJ to lead the league in scoring every year and be the greatest scorer the game's ever seen..

Not an easy thing to explain.. But most people don't realize that talent doesn't win 3-peats... Superior strategy, teamwork, and mental ability does.

I know bro. And spamming the board is what got you temporarily banned. Everyone knows MJ is the GOAT. Everyone. Lebron trolls, Kobe trolls, etc.

[Prometheus]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/9d46033b6e1cb65ad70458536bc5613e.gif


If LeBron got himself into that same spot off the pick, he wouldn't dunk it. Not even 25yo, peak-athlete LeBron. Awkward floater at best.

[3ball]

I know bro. And spamming the board is what got you temporarily banned. Everyone knows MJ is the GOAT. Everyone. Lebron trolls, Kobe trolls, etc.


you're wrong.. repeat topics got me banned.. repeat posts are fine (i.e. dubeta's 1-9)

btw, you missed post #6 on the first page of this thread - it wasn't a copy and paste and addressed the OP specifically with original material and original gifs:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11512952&postcount=6

Here, I'll repost it for you to get the thread back on topic:
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[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2015/_CiUgr.gif


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2015/7-w55S.gif


The OP video is awesome, but it left out MJ destroying Hakeem, so I added a couple GIFs above.. Also, starting at the 5:58 mark of OP's video, MJ destroys Shaq for 2 straight minutes including 5-6 blocks..

At the 9:08 mark, MJ wins a jumpball vs. David Robinson and then plays volleyball with Duncan's shot attempt.. It's remarkable how much 35-year old MJ dominated Robinson and Duncan during his only 2 meetings with them in 1998.

Btw, MJ put far more effort into defense than Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Durant, you name it.. MJ's superior effort coupled with his superior quickness gives him a big edge defensively over these players.
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[BBallZen83]

you're wrong.. repeat topics got me banned.. repeat posts are fine (i.e. dubeta's 1-9)

btw, you missed post #6 on the first page of this thread - it wasn't a copy and paste and addressed the OP specifically with original material and original gifs:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11512952&postcount=6

Here, I'll repost it for you to get the thread back on topic:
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Dude, i am in the same group as you. I grew up in Chicago in the 90's. Jordan was nothing short of pure magic. I watched both 3 peats as a kid, and nothing will ever match what Jordan did. I am a fan of Lebron's because he came into the league as a unique player. Even though they tried to pigeonhole him as the next Jordan, he obviously wasn't and never will be. It's an insult to both players honestly. Lebron plays nothing like Jordan and has his own style of play that is unique given his skill sets and physical attributes. If he was to be compared, the next magic would have been a more fair comparison.

He is a totally different player, and obviously will never end up replacing Jordan as the GOAT. He definitely will be considered a top 10 all time player, and should be appreciated as the first Lebron, not the next Jordan.

This is a big reason that I did not like Kobe when he first came into the league. He basically wanted to be the next Jordan. But everyone knows there is only one Jordan, and no one will ever live up to that. So in that regard, I respect Lebron as a player more than Kobe. He is his own type of player, and Kobe was Jordan 2.0, but less skilled and worse b-ball iq, and less athletic, and well. less everything except for 3 point shooting.

Bottom line: MJ = GOAT. You really don't need to defend him in every post in here. You are trying to argue with people who are mainly trolls, and THAT is an exercise in futility my friend.

[Straight_Ballin]

Dude, i am in the same group as you. I grew up in Chicago in the 90's. Jordan was nothing short of pure magic. I watched both 3 peats as a kid, and nothing will ever match what Jordan did. I am a fan of Lebron's because he came into the league as a unique player. Even though they tried to pigeonhole him as the next Jordan, he obviously wasn't and never will be. It's an insult to both players honestly. Lebron plays nothing like Jordan and has his own style of play that is unique given his skill sets and physical attributes. If he was to be compared, the next magic would have been a more fair comparison.

He is a totally different player, and obviously will never end up replacing Jordan as the GOAT. He definitely will be considered a top 10 all time player, and should be appreciated as the first Lebron, not the next Jordan.

This is a big reason that I did not like Kobe when he first came into the league. He basically wanted to be the next Jordan. But everyone knows there is only one Jordan, and no one will ever live up to that. So in that regard, I respect Lebron as a player more than Kobe. He is his own type of player, and Kobe was Jordan 2.0, but less skilled and worse b-ball iq, and less athletic, and well. less everything except for 3 point shooting.

Bottom line: MJ = GOAT. You really don't need to defend him in every post in here. You are trying to argue with people who are mainly trolls, and THAT is an exercise in futility my friend.

I think you are overlooking the fact that not everyone on here got to see Jordan play live. You have many 15 year olds that think Lebron is the best ever because that's all they've ever seen. If 3ball even convinces just one of these misinformed youths, than his effort was worth it. The alternative is that they continue along being ignorant until they are old enough to understand and then have to deal with the fact that they wasted the last 5 years of their life in complete idiocracy. While we would love to bend their fathers over our knees and woop their asses with a leather belt for not raising their kids correctly, I'm afraid there's just not enough time, so we simply copy and paste the facts which take much less time.

[3ball]

Bottom line: MJ = GOAT. You really don't need to defend him in every post in here.


dude... stfu... i'll post what i want, as many times as i want.. you're wasting your time writing essays about 3ball..

you should write an essay on the trolls themselves, not cogent responses to the trolls (most of which aren't trolls anyway - these guys really believe that shit).. Btw, I'm an all-star troller myself
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[Prometheus]

dude... stfu... i'll post what i want, as many times as i want.. you're wasting your time writing essays about 3ball.

:oldlol:

3ball writing essays about MJ and now this dude writing essays about 3ball

:oldlol:

[oarabbus]

dude... stfu... i'll post what i want, as many times as i want.. you're wasting your time writing essays about 3ball..

you should write an essay on the trolls themselves, not cogent responses to the trolls (most of which aren't trolls anyway - these guys really believe that shit).. Btw, I'm an all-star troller myself
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You should not be telling anyone to stfu :roll: :roll: :roll:

[FKAri]

dude... stfu... i'll post what i want, as many times as i want.. you're wasting your time writing essays about 3ball..

you should write an essay on the trolls themselves, not cogent responses to the trolls (most of which aren't trolls anyway - these guys really believe that shit).. Btw, I'm an all-star troller myself
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All right Imma be dead serious. Real talk. This shit right up here is the funniest post Ive seen on ISH.

[diamenz]

man, mj with his mere size destroyed more big men in a big man league than lebron ever did in this... whatever league. sick vid.

[Dbrog]

Seriously, this is one of the worst or at least most misleading highlight videos I've ever seen taking into consideration its title. From the title one would expect it to be a video of MJ actually serving as a primary defender against big men in the half court. Instead 90% of it was basically him either playing the passing lanes deflecting a pass thrown by or intended for a big man or him stripping/ blocking a big man from the blind side as part of a double team. One could do a highlight video of Nate Robinson doing that.

This

[3ball]

This

(OP's video could be made for any player)


Very true.

But it's a lot easier to make this kind of video for someone averaging 3.2 steals and 1.6 blocks in the same season, rather than someone averaging literally half that (kobe, harden, bron, durant, you name it)

MJ is among the greatest wing defenders of all time, along with Detroit's Rodman, Moncrief, Pippen, and Payton..

Otoh, Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Durant simply aren't in this group of the greatest defenders of all time.. They weren't defensive specialists like Rodman, MJ, Pippen, Moncrief or Payton, and accordingly, aren't recognized as being on their level defensively.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Saw this earlier, but didn't have a chance to comment. Beautiful stuff :applause:

Wish there were videos high-lighting his use of pivot, off-hand, and degree-of-difficulty in shots that people seem to think only Kobe could ever pull off.

[Asukal]

I think you are overlooking the fact that not everyone on here got to see Jordan play live. You have many 15 year olds that think Lebron is the best ever because that's all they've ever seen. If 3ball even convinces just one of these misinformed youths, than his effort was worth it. The alternative is that they continue along being ignorant until they are old enough to understand and then have to deal with the fact that they wasted the last 5 years of their life in complete idiocracy. While we would love to bend their fathers over our knees and woop their asses with a leather belt for not raising their kids correctly, I'm afraid there's just not enough time, so we simply copy and paste the facts which take much less time.

No need to do such things. Lebron is doing a fine job convincing his young stans. 2/6 is good education. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[Asukal]

After watching that video then a video of Jordan shutting down Reggie in the 4th of their game 7. I'm amazed most people think Lebron is the best athletic specimen in NBA history. He gassed out in the 4thQs and OTs of this years finals and he is only 30 years old while playing mostly offense and little defense. Jordan on the other hand was 35 years old, shoulders the most load in offense while playing terrific defense then had to chase down Reggie in crunch time to seal the series. Truly the one and only GOAT. :bowdown:

[DatAsh]

Arguably the best (non-big)help defender ever