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CavaliersFTW
06-25-2015, 09:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRFxCPM9f0

Have not actually watched games of Kaminsky, but assuming these highlights are a representation of how he likes to score points here's what I see about how he'll score points in the NBA:

Catch and shoots 90% of the time from 3 point land (or maybe long NBA 2's). This takes him away from rebounding opportunities though would also take his defender away from them. I saw him post up like 4 or 5 times in that video, that's IT. He is not comfortable playing with his back to the basket. He also drove once or twice but only one or two dribbles before he's got to do something with the ball. Only really scores inside on backdoor plays where he can be thrown a lob if his man switches off him or falls asleep. This won't happen in the NBA as often as players jump higher, and will rotate quicker and/or play him tighter. His post ups which are already a rarity even in college ball will be even more difficult in the NBA where players much stronger than him will be able to armbar him.

His draftexpress profile also reveals that although he is almost a true "7 foot" without shoes (which is rare), his armspan is only 6-11... the same as big 2 guards like Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan etc.

All in all this guy looks like he jogs up the court to the 3 point line, and catches and shoots. That's his thing. That's pretty much the only thing that mix reveals. So is that going to be good enough for the NBA? A 7 foot Kyle Korver minus the off-ball movement? What are the bobcats expecting him to do?

ProfessorMurder
06-25-2015, 09:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRFxCPM9f0

Have not actually watched games of Kaminsky, but assuming these highlights are a representation of how he likes to score points here's what I see about how he'll score points in the NBA:

Catch and shoots 90% of the time from 3 point land (or maybe long NBA 2's). This takes him away from rebounding opportunities though would also take his defender away from them. I saw him post up like 4 or 5 times in that video, that's IT. He is not comfortable playing with his back to the basket. He also drove once or twice but only one or two dribbles before he's got to do something with the ball. Only really scores inside on backdoor plays where he can be thrown a lob if his man switches off him or falls asleep. This won't happen in the NBA as often as players jump higher, and will rotate quicker and/or play him tighter. His post ups which are already a rarity even in college ball will be even more difficult in the NBA where players much stronger than him will be able to armbar him.

His draftexpress profile also reveals that although he is almost a true "7 foot" without shoes (which is rare), his armspan is only 6-11... the same as big 2 guards like Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan etc.

All in all this guy looks like he jogs up the court to the 3 point line, and catches and shoots. That's his thing. That's pretty much the only thing that mix reveals. So is that going to be good enough for the NBA? A 7 foot Kyle Korver minus the off-ball movement? What are the bobcats expecting him to do?
You mean Steve Novak, not Korver.

$LakerGold
06-25-2015, 09:55 PM
He'd make a great role player. Not worth the 9th pick.

CavaliersFTW
06-25-2015, 10:12 PM
Okay this video makes him look better, posts up more and puts the ball on the floor more in the draft express video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxbDCalc8_U

The other vid made him seem 1 dimensional AF, and like he depended on others to draw defenses to create his points.

Maybe their pick isn't so terrible.

Velocirap31
06-25-2015, 10:13 PM
Considering he played 4 years of college and started out really slow, he's probably close to his peak. He isn't going to take another big step and become a star. A Nick Collision with 3pt range.

Lamar Odumbb
06-25-2015, 10:19 PM
If he plays the 4 spot, he might get killed on defense. Offensively he reminds me so much of Boris Diaw because they both got nice handles, great shooting, and weigh enough to bully the way to the paint.

senelcoolidge
06-25-2015, 10:36 PM
The next Jerry Lucas.

Rooster
06-25-2015, 11:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRFxCPM9f0

Have not actually watched games of Kaminsky, but assuming these highlights are a representation of how he likes to score points here's what I see about how he'll score points in the NBA:

Catch and shoots 90% of the time from 3 point land (or maybe long NBA 2's). This takes him away from rebounding opportunities though would also take his defender away from them. I saw him post up like 4 or 5 times in that video, that's IT. He is not comfortable playing with his back to the basket. He also drove once or twice but only one or two dribbles before he's got to do something with the ball. Only really scores inside on backdoor plays where he can be thrown a lob if his man switches off him or falls asleep. This won't happen in the NBA as often as players jump higher, and will rotate quicker and/or play him tighter. His post ups which are already a rarity even in college ball will be even more difficult in the NBA where players much stronger than him will be able to armbar him.

His draftexpress profile also reveals that although he is almost a true "7 foot" without shoes (which is rare), his armspan is only 6-11... the same as big 2 guards like Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan etc.

All in all this guy looks like he jogs up the court to the 3 point line, and catches and shoots. That's his thing. That's pretty much the only thing that mix reveals. So is that going to be good enough for the NBA? A 7 foot Kyle Korver minus the off-ball movement? What are the bobcats expecting him to do?

He's basically the 2nd coming of Curtis Borchardt. :oldlol: Out in the league when his contract expires.

TylerOO
06-25-2015, 11:08 PM
This dude is BORING. He won't amount to much

AboutBuckets
06-25-2015, 11:22 PM
Have not actually watched games of Kaminsky

Stopped reading here

CavaliersFTW
06-25-2015, 11:23 PM
The next Jerry Lucas.
Not an elite rebounder though

STATUTORY
06-25-2015, 11:24 PM
this guy is gonna surprise a lot of pick would been a top 3 pick if he had a more athletic complexion and build

JimmyMcAdocious
06-25-2015, 11:29 PM
I like his game. His footwork is impeccable and destroyed so many "better" NBA prospects because of it. Very good passer, great off the dribble for his size, decent shooter out to the 3pt line. Wisconsin often ran their offense through him (especially after Jackson, their starting PG, went down for a long period) and all they did was have the best offense in like the last decade of any NCAA team according to team ortg. Not sure how he defends against NBA bigs, but I can tell you he never fouls. In a close game, I don't think he's ever been in foul trouble. Kind of infuriating, actually, because I swear they foul and the refs never called it.

julizaver
06-26-2015, 03:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRFxCPM9f0

Have not actually watched games of Kaminsky, but assuming these highlights are a representation of how he likes to score points here's what I see about how he'll score points in the NBA:

Catch and shoots 90% of the time from 3 point land (or maybe long NBA 2's). This takes him away from rebounding opportunities though would also take his defender away from them. I saw him post up like 4 or 5 times in that video, that's IT. He is not comfortable playing with his back to the basket. He also drove once or twice but only one or two dribbles before he's got to do something with the ball. Only really scores inside on backdoor plays where he can be thrown a lob if his man switches off him or falls asleep. This won't happen in the NBA as often as players jump higher, and will rotate quicker and/or play him tighter. His post ups which are already a rarity even in college ball will be even more difficult in the NBA where players much stronger than him will be able to armbar him.

His draftexpress profile also reveals that although he is almost a true "7 foot" without shoes (which is rare), his armspan is only 6-11... the same as big 2 guards like Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan etc.

All in all this guy looks like he jogs up the court to the 3 point line, and catches and shoots. That's his thing. That's pretty much the only thing that mix reveals. So is that going to be good enough for the NBA? A 7 foot Kyle Korver minus the off-ball movement? What are the bobcats expecting him to do?

Big men learn playing small nowadays. :)

julizaver
06-26-2015, 03:24 AM
Okay this video makes him look better, posts up more and puts the ball on the floor more in the draft express video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxbDCalc8_U

The other vid made him seem 1 dimensional AF, and like he depended on others to draw defenses to create his points.

Maybe their pick isn't so terrible.

The good thing for him is that since spent the full 4 seasons in the NCAA he learned the fundamentals at least. And he played a lot of games = he is not injury prone.
And I think that this would made him good - even in his rookey season. And based on stats there is a steady line of improvment year by year. So for me he is good pick at 9th - and I he could do some damage on offensive end.
He is not explosive but with his size he already had some advantage. And that step back 3 pointers ... :)

9erempiree
06-26-2015, 03:31 AM
I have to agree with OP while he has some range it is such a waste for him to hangout at the 3pt line. Stay in the blocks and rebound.

FKAri
06-26-2015, 07:45 AM
Okay this video makes him look better, posts up more and puts the ball on the floor more in the draft express video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxbDCalc8_U

The other vid made him seem 1 dimensional AF, and like he depended on others to draw defenses to create his points.

Maybe their pick isn't so terrible.

Even the stiffest scrub in the NBA can put the ball on the floor in a draft workout video. :oldlol:

This shit doesnt mean anything.

chips93
06-26-2015, 09:23 AM
Kaminsky has a far better post game than op is giving him credit for. he'll take advantage when teams defend him with smaller players.

ArbitraryWater
06-26-2015, 09:32 AM
Stauskas without the shot

Sakkreth
06-26-2015, 09:34 AM
Ugh gotta agree with op, especially when you think that someone like D-Mo was pick nr 20 and it's really hard to see Kaminsky turning out better.

LAZERUSS
06-26-2015, 09:49 AM
A better passing Spencer Hawes. Slightly taller too (Kaminsky is 6-11, Hawes is 6-10 1/2.)

PP34Deuce
06-26-2015, 10:10 AM
He reminds me of Pat garrity. Definitely not a star but very good depth to have. Will

ImKobe
06-26-2015, 10:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kYgwik4kWM

wang4three
06-26-2015, 11:51 AM
His back to the basket game has really polished over the years. I think with some additional strength, and work on his timing, he can be a very compelling inside-out player. However, it will be a struggle when he's in a very up and down paced game. But it may not be thaaat bad, there were times he surprised me with his agility and deceptive quickness.

ralph_i_el
06-26-2015, 12:10 PM
"I didn't watch him play.....so here's my opinion!"

inclinerator
06-26-2015, 12:38 PM
he will be an all star

QC ThunderCats
06-26-2015, 12:58 PM
Frank in action in the new Hornets uniforms unveiled last night.

http://i.imgur.com/niLVlkP.jpg?1

HurricaneKid
06-26-2015, 01:25 PM
"I didn't watch him play.....so here's my opinion!"

Seriously. WOW.

I'm from WI and watched every game the last two years. He just turned 22 in April; he isnt 28 like some BYU guy beating up on kids.

He DESTROYED Okafor in the Natl Champ with his footwork which is ABSOLUTELY elite. He was the best shooter, regardless of position, taken in the top 10 and CERTAINLY has NBA range.

He can take doubles and is a good passer out of the post.

He wasn't asked to do a lot defensively as they really didn't want him to get in foul trouble as he was SOOooo important offensively. But he CERTAINLY wasn't manhandled by anyone physically, including Okafor twice and Towns once; in fact, in the physical B10 he was the one doing the pushing around most of the time. He will have trouble guarding some of the brutes in the NBA but the C position is moving towards what he offers.

He is tall but a lot of his height is torso so his standing reach, etc was less than what teams would want from their C. This may also cause problems rebounding and he would probably need another physical presence inside to reach his peak.

But if he didn't look like a goofy white guy he would be getting far more praise. He was definitively the best player in CBB last year and has repeatedly been **** on for being a goofy white dude. Mark Gasol, Pau Gasol, Bogut are all goofy white dudes and are among the best Cs in the league.

bballbball
06-26-2015, 04:06 PM
http://www.baconsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Frank-Kaminsky-Dancing-2.gif

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3671525-3346674585-mj-la.gif

Profound
06-26-2015, 07:05 PM
What can possibly make Frank a good player in the NBA is his offensive versatility, can shoot it, has enough mobility to face up or maybe even attack slower bigs closing out. He will definitely get bullied by stronger bigs in the post but it's not like the nba is filled with those and he's mobile enough to help on the PnR. I'm not sure if the Hornets should have picked him but I guess they wanted someone who they already knew more or less what they could do in the NBA... or it's just more than likely Jordan being Jordan.

hawksdogsbraves
06-26-2015, 08:13 PM
Is Kaminsky/Zeller/Hawes/Jefferson going to be the slowest, most unathletic frontcourt of all time?

Assuming they let Biyombo go, which seems likely considering the ineptness of their FO.

Lebron23
06-26-2015, 09:09 PM
I don't think his game will translate very well in the NBA.