156 killed in Kobane , 24 killed in Kuwait , 1 killed in France , 27 killed in Tunisi

[Mr Clutch Melo]

ISIS on a tear.

America needs to step up now.

Best regards,

World.

[UK2K]

Let them kill each other.

I've read report after report of Iraqi soldiers throwing down their weapons and running from forces 1/3 of their size.

We can't help them if they aren't willing to help themselves.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Let them kill each other.

Innocent people are getting killed for NOTHING. Its not a battle between to terrorist groups. Its incocent people that was on holiday.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Why do we Americans have to step up and intervene? If you so concern, what is your country doing on such matters?

America needs to fix itself before gallavanting and playing fake hero. I want justice for south Carolina murders - **** Isis.

[LEFT4DEAD]

A suicide bomber detonated explosives in a mosque and killings in other places for nothing, and ISH retards want to say that ISIS is the real Islam. :facepalm

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Why do we Americans have to step up and intervene? If you so concern, what is your country doing on such matters?

America needs to fix itself before gallavanting and playing fake hero. I want justice for south Carolina murders - **** Isis.

Beacause you are one of few countries that can make a diffrence ? Because you have allies in the arab world that you do business with and are to a degreee depended on their oil ?

Norway loves and supports America bruh. Chill out

[Patrick Chewing]

Why do we Americans have to step up and intervene? If you so concern, what is your country doing on such matters?

America needs to fix itself before gallavanting and playing fake hero. I want justice for south Carolina murders - **** Isis.


Uhhhh the SC murderer is in custody. ISIS is running around drowning people, blowing heads off of people, and killing children on a daily basis. Clearly the rest of the world doesn't give a shit, or any modern-day Army would have wiped these baboons out already.

Countries always follow the United States. United States says jump and the rest of the world asks them how f'n high.

[ItsMillerTime]

A suicide bomber detonated explosives in a mosque and killings in other places for nothing, and ISH retards want to say that ISIS is the real Islam. :facepalm

Where are all the Catholic bombings and shootings? The Christian bombings and shootings? The Buddhist bombings and shootings? The Hinduist bombings and shootings?

Extreme Islamists are a plague on this world, and the fact you and other Muslims keep defending them is fvcking telling.

[Derka]

A suicide bomber detonated explosives in a mosque and killings in other places for nothing, and ISH retards want to say that ISIS is the real Islam. :facepalm
If incidents like this don't spur moderate Sunnis and Shiites to drop their silence and take part in the fight against the lunatics who would hijack their faith in the eyes of the world, I feel like nothing will.

Moderates who are content to be angry about being lumped in with the crazies but are also content to let the West fight this fight for them are doing this completely wrong.

[Ass Dan]

Honestly, who cares about a bunch of disaffected young men who cant get laid who like to spend their days doing monkey bars in the desert.

What are they going to do, attack us with their air force?

[fiddy]

A suicide bomber detonated explosives in a mosque and killings in other places for nothing, and ISH retards want to say that ISIS is the real Islam. :facepalm
So...you are trying to say that IS is not motivated by the Quran? LMAO

[UK2K]

Innocent people are getting killed for NOTHING. Its not a battle between to terrorist groups. Its incocent people that was on holiday.

So? Innocent people are killed everywhere.

If we want to stop the slaughter of innocents, we can start in Chicago, LA, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and Baltimore.

Not that I particularly care about them, but they are Americans nonetheless (minus LA, likely they are illegal, so I don't care about them either).

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Beacause you are one of few countries that can make a diffrence ? Because you have allies in the arab world that you do business with and are to a degreee depended on their oil ?

Norway loves and supports America bruh. Chill out

U really think America has that much clout? :oldlol:



Uhhhh the SC murderer is in custody. ISIS is running around drowning people, blowing heads off of people, and killing children on a daily basis. Clearly the rest of the world doesn't give a shit, or any modern-day Army would have wiped these baboons out already.

Countries always follow the United States. United States says jump and the rest of the world asks them how f'n high.
I want that little ****er locked up in a Cali state penn, sharing a cell with 15 ****** doing life.

[Derka]

I want that little ****er locked up in a Cali state penn, sharing a cell with 15 ****** doing life.

65% of South Carolina's state prison population is black. Believe me, he's in for a world of shit when he gets there...that's if he doesn't get sent to Death Row.

[Raymone]

Why do we Americans have to step up and intervene? If you so concern, what is your country doing on such matters?

America needs to fix itself before gallavanting and playing fake hero. I want justice for south Carolina murders - **** Isis.
Fight them there so we won't have to eventually fight them here.


A suicide bomber detonated explosives in a mosque and killings in other places for nothing, and ISH retards want to say that ISIS is the real Islam. :facepalm
You "moderate" muslims don't seem to be in a rush to destroy IS or even resist them.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Where are all the Catholic bombings and shootings? The Christian bombings and shootings? The Buddhist bombings and shootings? The Hinduist bombings and shootings?

Extreme Islamists are a plague on this world, and the fact you and other Muslims keep defending them is fvcking telling.
Who the **** defended them you idiot? I dont know any muslim around me who is justifying those attacks.


So...you are trying to say that IS is not motivated by the Quran? LMAO
Wrong interpretation of Quran that is. There is a big difference. The sources are saying that the men who did the attack in France was never seen in mosque by his neighbors. Its your and those like you' equating them with real Islam that makes me sick, when in fact neither they or you know anything about it. :facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

"wahhhh america help :cry: we can't do it alone!"

not our job

[TripleA]

Fight them there so we won't have to eventually fight them here.


You "moderate" muslims don't seem to be in a rush to destroy IS or even resist them.

Well who do think is fighting Isis in Iraq the Kurds who are muslims. So How am I supposed to fight ****ing Isis if am not in Iraq.

[pauk]

Deleted my message, sorry Fiddy, must show more constraint to your bizarre assessments and its not like im gona change your mind / get you more sophisticated anyways, only you can.

[pauk]

Where are all the Catholic bombings and shootings?
The Christian bombings and shootings?

Are you freaking serious? The vast majority of the criminals (of any kind) on earth are of that religion (logically as that is the most populated religion on earth).... Hell just the Mexican Cartel (who just so happen to be Christian) makes ISIS look like sissys, look those dudes up (heavy NFSW warning)....



The Buddhist bombings and shootings?

You mean stuff like even the damn monks are doing in Burma at this very moment, does it qualify? :

click if you dare (https://www.google.se/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_WNVeuHMsilsgH287-wCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943&gws_rd=cr#gws_rd=cr&imgrc=_)

http://i58.tinypic.com/9an0ub.jpg
http://www.skeptical-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/165876_10150986274688261_338806760_n1.jpg
https://cosmicstories.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/575850_422729151098985_1400558517_n.jpg
http://www.kavkaz.tv/russ/content/2012/07/14/91892_4.jpg

Stuff like that doesnt interest US media.... only what bad some "Muslim" does....


The Hinduist bombings and shootings?

Google "Hinduist Terrorists" for the latest news and enjoy (NFSW also there)



Extreme Islamists are a plague on this world, and the fact you and other Muslims keep defending them is fvcking telling.

Who the hell is defending them?


Doing it in the name of God or in the name of Money or in the name of whatthe****ever is no different, stop blaming stuff, these are no sane human beings, A PSYCHO IS A PSYCHO........ and as long as humans will exist, so will the PSYCHOS.....

[tomSR.]

you travel to a muslim country of your own free will....that means you are piece of shit......good riddance

[n00bie]

Facts

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

how long before another such terror attack?

[9erempiree]

noobie,

You are the only poster that posted this up besides me. Put a few Muslims together and supposedly its peaceful but as the numbers of Muslims rise in one community, it will become bat shit crazy.

They are like dogs, if you don't get them fix, they will spread all over the world. We need to fix them and keep them under control.

[MavsSuperFan]

Unless ISIS starts attacking an important american ally, we really should not get too involved.

Eg. if saudi arabia, israel, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE etc become threatened (by this i mean a threat to the continuity of a pro american regime) than we should evaluate the situation more.

Hopefully ISIS targets Iran. It wont happen but it would also be in america's benefit for ISIS to somehow engage the russians or the chinese

[brownmamba00]

Unless ISIS starts attacking an important american ally, we really should not get too involved.

Eg. if saudi arabia, israel, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE etc become threatened (by this i mean a threat to the continuity of a pro american regime) than we should evaluate the situation more.

Hopefully ISIS targets Iran. It wont happen but it would also be in america's benefit for ISIS to somehow engage the russians or the chinese
the Kurds not important enought for the US?

funny how the white house has literally raped the region for years and now they don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions in the past.
they want turkey and iran do the dirty work:oldlol:

not happenin'

[MavsSuperFan]

the Kurds not important enought for the US?

funny how the white house has literally raped the region for years and now they don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions in the past.
they want turkey and iran do the dirty work:oldlol:

not happenin'
obviously not


they want turkey and iran do the dirty work:oldlol:

not happenin'

ISIS hopefully will force iran's hand and bog iran down into a secular war against sunnis in iraq and syria.

[Dresta]

Unless ISIS starts attacking an important american ally, we really should not get too involved.

Eg. if saudi arabia, israel, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE etc become threatened (by this i mean a threat to the continuity of a pro american regime) than we should evaluate the situation more.

Hopefully ISIS targets Iran. It wont happen but it would also be in america's benefit for ISIS to somehow engage the russians or the chinese
Seriously, what on earth are you blabbering about here? Saudi Arabia and Turkey are enabling ISIS, and Iran is fighting it, with our backing. The latest attackers in Kobane likely crossed from Turkey, allowing them to catch the Kurds unaware and to massacre as many of them as possible.

You want ISIS to attack Russia - why? You want Americans to use islamic terrorists to attack countries they don't like yet again - why? Don't you ever learn anything?

Moron. It was that kind of idiotic thinking that allowed ISIS to flourish in the first place ("oh, yeah, lets help these fanatics destabilise Assad because we hate the guy - we can pretend we're doing a great and noble act at the same time").

[zoom17]

Kurds recaptured Kobane from ISIS and killed over 100 of them.

http://i.gyazo.com/9e2df9352c97efc1d9151068e1b869b4.png

http://i.gyazo.com/4ff2280821f90fc7a26e523358b89094.png

[9erempiree]

the Kurds not important enought for the US?

funny how the white house has literally raped the region for years and now they don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions in the past.
they want turkey and iran do the dirty work:oldlol:

not happenin'

Ladies and gentleman this poster is a prime example of what I have been preaching all along and that is a Muslim blaming America for the Islamic State. Like I said, they don't believe their Muslim brothers can do wrong. It is America that caused this.

If they had to choose a side, good or bad, they will always side with their own kind.

[9erempiree]

Kurds recaptured Kobane from ISIS and killed over 100 of them.


While I think it is great for them to stand up against the Islamic State and those people pictured are probably "peaceful Muslims" but it also shows how barbaric there are. The woman and child are sinking down to the Islamic State's level. This is worrying.

Selfies with dead bodies and urinating on dead bodies. Are you going to tell me that if push comes to shove, the woman and child wouldn't do anything crazy if needed? Just some crazy ass people.

There is some uneasiness about these people.

[macmac]

you travel to a muslim country of your own free will....that means you are piece of shit......good riddance

Wtf is wrong with you? I hope your mother gets meningitis

[zoom17]

While I think it is great for them to stand up against the Islamic State and those people pictured are probably "peaceful Muslims" but it also shows how barbaric there are. The woman and child are sinking down to the Islamic State's level. This is worrying.

Selfies with dead bodies and urinating on dead bodies. Are you going to tell me that if push comes to shove, the woman and child wouldn't do anything crazy if needed? Just some crazy ass people.

There is some uneasiness about these people.

First off this is a war zone all bets are off. Secondly this is a Kurdish town in a region mainly of kurds you think they should lay down and let ISIS slaughter them:facepalm The kurds are the best fighters against ISIS right now but they need to be better equipped.

[brownmamba00]

Ladies and gentleman this poster is a prime example of what I have been preaching all along and that is a Muslim blaming America for the Islamic State. Like I said, they don't believe their Muslim brothers can do wrong. It is America that caused this.

If they had to choose a side, good or bad, they will always side with their own kind.

do you need to pop up every thread writing the same garbage all over again?

FOH man get a life




ISIS hopefully will force iran's hand and bog iran down into a secular war against sunnis in iraq and syria.

I don't think Iran's about to face all those different sects of Mujahideen just so they can save Iraq and Syria...and ISIS won't attack Iran no chance after their failure to hold Kobane from the Kurds.

[tomSR.]

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/dogs-against-islam.jpg

[9erempiree]

do you need to pop up every thread writing the same garbage all over again?

FOH man get a life



I don't think Iran's about to face all those different sects of Mujahideen just so they can save Iraq and Syria...and ISIS won't attack Iran no chance after their failure to hold Kobane from the Kurds.

I practice rhetoric. What's your excuse?:confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

you travel to a muslim country of your own free will....that means you are piece of shit......good riddance
In a city like Sousse you'll see fewer Niqabs than in most UK cities, and before recently, you didn't see any. It was always safe and secular when i went there (been 5 times, spent around 6 months over there in total). The shit the US created in Libya is spilling over to them, and it's not exactly the fault of Tunisians.

[iamgine]

You mean stuff like even the damn monks are doing in Burma at this very moment, does it qualify? :

click if you dare (https://www.google.se/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_WNVeuHMsilsgH287-wCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943&gws_rd=cr#gws_rd=cr&imgrc=_)

http://i58.tinypic.com/9an0ub.jpg
http://www.skeptical-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/165876_10150986274688261_338806760_n1.jpg
https://cosmicstories.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/575850_422729151098985_1400558517_n.jpg
http://www.kavkaz.tv/russ/content/2012/07/14/91892_4.jpg

Stuff like that doesnt interest US media.... only what bad some "Muslim" does....



What is going on there? Children BBQ?

[MavsSuperFan]

do you need to pop up every thread writing the same garbage all over again?

FOH man get a life



I don't think Iran's about to face all those different sects of Mujahideen just so they can save Iraq and Syria...and ISIS won't attack Iran no chance after their failure to hold Kobane from the Kurds.
ISIS is crazy, crazy people do illogical things.

[MavsSuperFan]

Seriously, what on earth are you blabbering about here? Saudi Arabia and Turkey are enabling ISIS, and Iran is fighting it, with our backing. The latest attackers in Kobane likely crossed from Turkey, allowing them to catch the Kurds unaware and to massacre as many of them as possible.

You want ISIS to attack Russia - why? You want Americans to use islamic terrorists to attack countries they don't like yet again - why? Don't you ever learn anything?

Moron. It was that kind of idiotic thinking that allowed ISIS to flourish in the first place ("oh, yeah, lets help these fanatics destabilise Assad because we hate the guy - we can pretend we're doing a great and noble act at the same time").
In the past yes, but ISIS might decide that the house of saud is not devout enough for them. Unless ISIS threatens an american ally it really doesn't make too much sense to expend too much resources to fight them. Currently the US should not make a huge effort in defeating ISIS, I dont see the benefit to the US directly.


You want ISIS to attack Russia - why? You want Americans to use islamic terrorists to attack countries they don't like yet again - why? Don't you ever learn anything?

It would at a minimum distract russia and cause russia to use resources, and in the best case scenario weaken an american rival to the point that it will not challenge nato expansion in eastern europe. Russia has a huge muslim population that has tensions with non-muslim slavs. A russia pre-occupied with internal islamic insurgents is better than an aggressive russia reasserting control over eastern europe


why? Don't you ever learn anything?
Last time we did it in Afghanistan the soviet union collapsed.:confusedshrug:


It was that kind of idiotic thinking that allowed ISIS to flourish in the first place ("oh, yeah, lets help these fanatics destabilise Assad because we hate the guy - we can pretend we're doing a great and noble act at the same time")

ISIS really hasnt done that much to the US. Arguably destablising assad > any damage to america. Also ISIS might lead to a fragmentation of Iraq into Sunni, Shia and Kurdish areas, which is better than all of iraq becoming an Iranian satellite. I have never claimed this was noble. Though in the long term american leadership yields the best results for all parties. eg, compare south korea to north korea. Japan, singapore, taiwan compared to china, etc.

[Dresta]

In the past yes, but ISIS might decide that the house of saud is not devout enough for them. Unless ISIS threatens an american ally it really doesn't make too much sense to expend too much resources to fight them. Currently the US should not make a huge effort in defeating ISIS, I dont see the benefit to the US directly.



It would at a minimum distract russia and cause russia to use resources, and in the best case scenario weaken an american rival to the point that it will not challenge nato expansion in eastern europe. Russia has a huge muslim population that has tensions with non-muslim slavs. A russia pre-occupied with internal islamic insurgents is better than an aggressive russia reasserting control over eastern europe


Last time we did it in Afghanistan the soviet union collapsed.:confusedshrug:



ISIS really hasnt done that much to the US. Arguably destablising assad > any damage to america. Also ISIS might lead to a fragmentation of Iraq into Sunni, Shia and Kurdish areas, which is better than all of iraq becoming an Iranian satellite. I have never claimed this was noble. Though in the long term american leadership yields the best results for all parties. eg, compare south korea to north korea. Japan, singapore, taiwan compared to china, etc.No, the last time we did it, we turned Syria into an uninhabitable warzone, resulting in spillover to Iraq, and the loss of everything that we had invested in that country. Not only that, but the time before, we did it in Libya, and that country is now another uninhabitable wasteland, and is exporting its problems into neighbouring countries, destabilising the entire region.

Whether it 'benefits' the American military-industrial complex is irrelevant when we have fostered the conditions to create sectarian conflicts that will drag on for decades (ones that are creating a huge immigrant problems in Europe, and is allowing hidden terrorists to filter over through the crowds).

It's quite hilarious really: you'll get all moral over the idea of gay marriage, and yet here you are, justifying the slaughter of millions, for a very slight geopolitical gain for America. Russia is used to having the CIA use Islamic extremists against them, as they've been doing it ever since the Soviet collapse (to 'weaken' Russia as you put it); perhaps if the Russians didn't know American intelligence had been undermining them in this way for so long they wouldn't be so wary of NATO expansion in the first place. The attempted NATO expansion into Ukraine is one of the most blind, foolish and ahistorical blunders made by United States politicians - it really shows how little these imbeciles know about other countries, while attempting to turn them into warzones, fund the overthrow of governments they don't like, and so on. In fact, NATO existed to counter the Soviet Union, so why exactly does it exist now, and why exactly does it need to be expanded to nations with far stronger cultural, religious and economic ties to Russia, not America, NATO, the EU, and corporate neoliberalism.


ISIS is crazy, crazy people do illogical things.
ISIS isn't 'crazy' - their actions have been very measured and calculated, their military tactics are intelligent and professional, their recruitment devious. You obviously know **** all about this situation - so why are you running your mouth?

[Dresta]

http://news.sky.com/story/1509630/shock-for-tunisians-who-tried-to-stop-killer


"We saw him walking and then turning and firing at people chasing him. Workmen on the roof above threw cement and bricks at him trying to kill him. Then he turned the corner and the police saw him and he was killed," he added.

There were many other lucky escapes.

Kevin McCabe from Ireland, now resident here, took me round the shops and hotels where his friends are now looking at another summer of almost no trade.

He walks the same stretch of beach where the attack happened, every day. His son had emailed him that something was going on, so he decided to hurry home.

"I saw the guy. If I had stayed where I was I would be his first victim," he said as we walked the beach where the shooter attempted to escape.

"What is really important to remember is that local people took this guy on.

"They chased him and he fired and I saw them falling. I don't know if they were hit but they went down.

"They were unarmed but they chased him and others did everything they could to save the foreigners. It is amazing," he said.

The people in the tourist areas, the North and East of the country, really despise what they consider to be backwards extremists. A couple of attacks like this really ****s the local tourist industry, even though the risk is still tiny.

[brownmamba00]

No, the last time we did it, we turned Syria into an uninhabitable warzone, resulting in spillover to Iraq, and the loss of everything that we had invested in that country. Not only that, but the time before, we did it in Libya, and that country is now another uninhabitable wasteland, and is exporting its problems into neighbouring countries, destabilising the entire region.

Whether it 'benefits' the American military-industrial complex is irrelevant when we have fostered the conditions to create sectarian conflicts that will drag on for decades (ones that are creating a huge immigrant problems in Europe, and is allowing hidden terrorists to filter over through the crowds).

It's quite hilarious really: you'll get all moral over the idea of gay marriage, and yet here you are, justifying the slaughter of millions, for a very slight geopolitical gain for America. Russia is used to having the CIA use Islamic extremists against them, as they've been doing it ever since the Soviet collapse (to 'weaken' Russia as you put it); perhaps if the Russians didn't know American intelligence had been undermining them in this way for so long they wouldn't be so wary of NATO expansion in the first place. The attempted NATO expansion into Ukraine is one of the most blind, foolish and ahistorical blunders made by United States politicians - it really shows how little these imbeciles know about other countries, while attempting to turn them into warzones, fund the overthrow of governments they don't like, and so on. In fact, NATO existed to counter the Soviet Union, so why exactly does it exist now, and why exactly does it need to be expanded to nations with far stronger cultural, religious and economic ties to Russia, not America, NATO, the EU, and corporate neoliberalism.


ISIS isn't 'crazy' - their actions have been very measured and calculated, their military tactics are intelligent and professional, their recruitment devious. You obviously know **** all about this situation - so why are you running your mouth?
:oldlol: at the bold

great post

[Trollsmasher]

Are you freaking serious? The vast majority of the criminals (of any kind) on earth are of that religion (logically as that is the most populated religion on earth).... Hell just the Mexican Cartel (who just so happen to be Christian) makes ISIS look like sissys, look those dudes up (heavy NFSW warning)....



You mean stuff like even the damn monks are doing in Burma at this very moment, does it qualify? :

click if you dare (https://www.google.se/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_WNVeuHMsilsgH287-wCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943&gws_rd=cr#gws_rd=cr&imgrc=_)

http://i58.tinypic.com/9an0ub.jpg
http://www.skeptical-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/165876_10150986274688261_338806760_n1.jpg
https://cosmicstories.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/575850_422729151098985_1400558517_n.jpg
http://www.kavkaz.tv/russ/content/2012/07/14/91892_4.jpg

Stuff like that doesnt interest US media.... only what bad some "Muslim" does....



Google "Hinduist Terrorists" for the latest news and enjoy (NFSW also there)



Who the hell is defending them?


Doing it in the name of God or in the name of Money or in the name of whatthe****ever is no different, stop blaming stuff, these are no sane human beings, A PSYCHO IS A PSYCHO........ and as long as humans will exist, so will the PSYCHOS.....
beautiful

made a wallpaper out of this

[KyrieTheFuture]

No, the last time we did it, we turned Syria into an uninhabitable warzone, resulting in spillover to Iraq, and the loss of everything that we had invested in that country. Not only that, but the time before, we did it in Libya, and that country is now another uninhabitable wasteland, and is exporting its problems into neighbouring countries, destabilising the entire region.

Whether it 'benefits' the American military-industrial complex is irrelevant when we have fostered the conditions to create sectarian conflicts that will drag on for decades (ones that are creating a huge immigrant problems in Europe, and is allowing hidden terrorists to filter over through the crowds).

It's quite hilarious really: you'll get all moral over the idea of gay marriage, and yet here you are, justifying the slaughter of millions, for a very slight geopolitical gain for America. Russia is used to having the CIA use Islamic extremists against them, as they've been doing it ever since the Soviet collapse (to 'weaken' Russia as you put it); perhaps if the Russians didn't know American intelligence had been undermining them in this way for so long they wouldn't be so wary of NATO expansion in the first place. The attempted NATO expansion into Ukraine is one of the most blind, foolish and ahistorical blunders made by United States politicians - it really shows how little these imbeciles know about other countries, while attempting to turn them into warzones, fund the overthrow of governments they don't like, and so on. In fact, NATO existed to counter the Soviet Union, so why exactly does it exist now, and why exactly does it need to be expanded to nations with far stronger cultural, religious and economic ties to Russia, not America, NATO, the EU, and corporate neoliberalism.


ISIS isn't 'crazy' - their actions have been very measured and calculated, their military tactics are intelligent and professional, their recruitment devious. You obviously know **** all about this situation - so why are you running your mouth?

:roll: dresta just killed someone with words

[STATUTORY]

Countries always follow the United States. United States says jump and the rest of the world asks them how f'n high.
this ain't the 90s no more

[tomSR.]

Are you freaking serious? The vast majority of the criminals (of any kind) on earth are of that religion (logically as that is the most populated religion on earth).... Hell just the Mexican Cartel (who just so happen to be Christian) makes ISIS look like sissys, look those dudes up (heavy NFSW warning)....



You mean stuff like even the damn monks are doing in Burma at this very moment, does it qualify? :

click if you dare (https://www.google.se/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_WNVeuHMsilsgH287-wCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943&gws_rd=cr#gws_rd=cr&imgrc=_)

http://i58.tinypic.com/9an0ub.jpg
http://www.skeptical-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/165876_10150986274688261_338806760_n1.jpg
https://cosmicstories.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/575850_422729151098985_1400558517_n.jpg
http://www.kavkaz.tv/russ/content/2012/07/14/91892_4.jpg

Stuff like that doesnt interest US media.... only what bad some "Muslim" does....



Google "Hinduist Terrorists" for the latest news and enjoy (NFSW also there)



Who the hell is defending them?


Doing it in the name of God or in the name of Money or in the name of whatthe****ever is no different, stop blaming stuff, these are no sane human beings, A PSYCHO IS A PSYCHO........ and as long as humans will exist, so will the PSYCHOS.....
“Massacre of Muslims in Burma” – Debunked
.
http://www.skeptical-science.com/religion/massacre-muslims-burma-debunked/
.
Is this really an image of a slaughter of Muslims by Buddhist monks? No, not at all, the original is in fact showing you Tibetan monks assisting earthquake victims

[StephHamann]

[QUOTE=tomSR.][B]

[tomSR.]

http://chersonandmolschky.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/angry-muslim2.jpg
:oldlol: .......yeah, unfortunately for muslims, not everyone belive their lies.......but we know they will keep on telling them

[Patrick Chewing]

Notice how none of the Buddhists have weapons. What did they kill them with? Their spiritual power??


Never trust a Muzzie.

[9erempiree]

Notice how Muslims of ISH accept these acts. We now know who the Muslims of ISH are from the Ramadan thread and none have spoken out of how they don't condone these acts.

They will side with their cousins through thick and thin.

[pauk]

“Massacre of Muslims in Burma” – Debunked
.
http://www.skeptical-science.com/religion/massacre-muslims-burma-debunked/
.
Is this really an image of a slaughter of Muslims by Buddhist monks? No, not at all, the original is in fact showing you Tibetan monks assisting earthquake victims

Yes, i can see now those two(?) pics are of other occasions..... but unfortunately it doesnt help you at all as indeed there is "Massacre of Muslims in Burma" happening at this very second even....

Lets see how many of these 1000s & 1000s of pictures you can "debunk":

https://www.google.com/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9rKQVdSGFInIsQHahJzoBQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943

Have fun....

and lets see how many facts you can debunk:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma

You are willing to go great lengths my friend, great, vast, extreme lengths....

[pauk]

:oldlol: .......yeah, unfortunately for inbred retards, not everyone belive their lies.......but we know they will keep on telling them

Fixed and please remember now who actually tried to lie here....

[pauk]

https://theuglytruth.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/redneck1.jpg

Fixed.

[9erempiree]

Yes, i can see now those two(?) pics are of other occasions..... but unfortunately it doesnt help you at all as indeed there is "Massacre of Muslims in Burma" happening at this very second even....

Lets see how many of these 1000s & 1000s of pictures you can "debunk":

https://www.google.com/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9rKQVdSGFInIsQHahJzoBQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943

Have fun....

and lets see how many facts you can debunk:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma

You are willing to go great lengths my friend, great, vast, extreme lengths....

Why do Muslims constantly deflect what is going on with the Islamic State. You like to bring up other shit so you can defend them.

How are you going not hating on these acts:

156 killed in Kobane , 24 killed in Kuwait , 1 killed in France , 27 killed in Tunisi

[JtotheIzzo]

Yes, i can see now those two(?) pics are of other occasions..... but unfortunately it doesnt help you at all as indeed there is "Massacre of Muslims in Burma" happening at this very second even....

Lets see how many of these 1000s & 1000s of pictures you can "debunk":

https://www.google.com/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9rKQVdSGFInIsQHahJzoBQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943

Have fun....

and lets see how many facts you can debunk:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma

You are willing to go great lengths my friend, great, vast, extreme lengths....

Do you understand anything about Myanmar (Burma)?

There are many different skirmishes going on inside the country because of weak central control and hundreds of ethnic minorities and religions (including Islam). The recent economic opening up of the country has only exasperated these problems. It isn't that people are out to get Muslims, they are all out to get each other.

Until Islamic clerics stop preaching violence and Jihad, Muslims will be viewed as violent. It really is that simple.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Are you freaking serious? The vast majority of the criminals (of any kind) on earth are of that religion (logically as that is the most populated religion on earth).... Hell just the Mexican Cartel (who just so happen to be Christian) makes ISIS look like sissys, look those dudes up (heavy NFSW warning)....



You mean stuff like even the damn monks are doing in Burma at this very moment, does it qualify? :

click if you dare (https://www.google.se/search?q=buddhists+massacre+muslims+in+burma&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_WNVeuHMsilsgH287-wCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=943&gws_rd=cr#gws_rd=cr&imgrc=_)

http://i58.tinypic.com/9an0ub.jpg
http://www.skeptical-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/165876_10150986274688261_338806760_n1.jpg
https://cosmicstories.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/575850_422729151098985_1400558517_n.jpg
http://www.kavkaz.tv/russ/content/2012/07/14/91892_4.jpg

Stuff like that doesnt interest US media.... only what bad some "Muslim" does....



Google "Hinduist Terrorists" for the latest news and enjoy (NFSW also there)



Who the hell is defending them?


Doing it in the name of God or in the name of Money or in the name of whatthe****ever is no different, stop blaming stuff, these are no sane human beings, A PSYCHO IS A PSYCHO........ and as long as humans will exist, so will the PSYCHOS.....

NSFW

Poido, 9er, chewing..yall scream death to all muslims this that, is this what you want? Why do you disregard these posts, where is your regime to post propaganda about Buddhists?

http://muslim-academy.com/http://muslim-academy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Muslims-Burnt-in-Burma.jpg

They are burning us...

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/BurmeseKillingMalaysia-HackedVictim.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/88/34/6d/88346db4931330ba8f9ccb6c6ecf4751.jpg

Slaughtering our children....

...they are even eating us

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo23/sweetlovre_2008/68511_561379003884434_391976397_n_zps4bbde1c5.jpg

Yet you just focus on ISIS, a group that is killing mostly Muslims as well, and claim that we are the plague.

[9erempiree]

NSFW

Poido, 9er, chewing..yall scream death to all muslims this that, is this what you want? Why do you disregard these posts, where is your regime to post propaganda about Buddhists?

http://muslim-academy.com/http://muslim-academy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Muslims-Burnt-in-Burma.jpg

They are burning us...

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/BurmeseKillingMalaysia-HackedVictim.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/88/34/6d/88346db4931330ba8f9ccb6c6ecf4751.jpg

Slaughtering our children....

...they are even eating us

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo23/sweetlovre_2008/68511_561379003884434_391976397_n_zps4bbde1c5.jpg

Yet you just focus on ISIS, a group that is killing mostly Muslims as well, and claim that we are the plague.

Why are you deflecting blame? We are talking about the Islamic State and instead of condemning them for these atrocities, you go bring up something else.

You don't want people to stereotype Muslims but what you are doing is exactly what we were thinking all along.

[TripleA]

Why doesn't U.S aid the kurds instead of the ***** Iraqi goverment

[Bosnian Sajo]

Why do Muslims constantly deflect what is going on with the Islamic State. You like to bring up other shit so you can defend them.

How are you going not hating on these acts:

156 killed in Kobane , 24 killed in Kuwait , 1 killed in France , 27 killed in Tunisi

"Burma, a predominantly Buddhist nation of 60 million people also known as Myanmar, has been grappling with sectarian violence since June 2012.

The incident in Du Chee Yar Tan, a village in northern Rakhine state, appears to be the deadliest in a year, and would bring the total number of mostly Muslims killed in violence nationwide to more than 280. Another 250,000 people have fled their homes."

250k people fled their homes, and that is ok with you. But 1 person killed in France? Oh heeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no, death to all muslims.

:coleman:

pathetic piece of shit.

[Patrick Chewing]

1 person?? :lol

[Bosnian Sajo]

Why are you deflecting blame? We are talking about the Islamic State and instead of condemning them for these atrocities, you go bring up something else.

You don't want people to stereotype Muslims but what you are doing is exactly what we were thinking all along.

You're deflecting confrontation you pathetic bitch, idgaf what you're talking about, you have a set goal on this site and that is to make muslims look as bad as ****ing possible, ignoring COMPLETELY the atrocities that muslim people are being put through every single day.

How many times do we have to say that we have the same stance against Isis that you do?? We don't ****s with isis at allllllllllllllll, not one bit, you just keeeep beating a dead horse. And its not like isis is killing mostly christians for you to be this angry about it, they are mostly killing US MUSLIMS, and STILL you blame our religion for it...really?? We are the ones getting the stick of it, yet it's still somehow our fault and all this other shit going around the world doesn't matter. really?? REALLY??

:biggums:

[Bosnian Sajo]

1 person?? :lol

That's what it says in the title...blame the op if the info is wrong.


But you get my point, the number is substantially smaller than muslims killed. How do those pictures make you feel, chewing? Cause to me it seems like it is all one big joke for you.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Do you understand anything about Myanmar (Burma)?

There are many different skirmishes going on inside the country because of weak central control and hundreds of ethnic minorities and religions (including Islam). The recent economic opening up of the country has only exasperated these problems. It isn't that people are out to get Muslims, they are all out to get each other.

Until Islamic clerics stop preaching violence and Jihad, Muslims will be viewed as violent. It really is that simple.

You're just so smart, aren't you? None of us understand what's going on in Burma, but thank god you're here to explain it to us. All those BBC reports and article after article all over the internet are wrong and don't know what is going on over there, but you do.

Smug lil bastard comment at the end, it really is that simple.

[Patrick Chewing]

That's what it says in the title...blame the op if the info is wrong.


But you get my point, the number is substantially smaller than muslims killed. How do those pictures make you feel, chewing? Cause to me it seems like it is all one big joke for you.


You understand though that radical Muslims are all over the world right?

While all death and destruction is terrible, it's hard for me to focus on one part of the world when radical Islam has spread to my own backyard. To me, to us, that takes precedence. You can deny it all you want, but Islam has a violent nature that non-Muslims despise, and weak-minded Muslims flock too.

If I were you, I'd focus more on the Muslims killing other Muslims and find a way to reform that religion.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You understand though that radical Muslims are all over the world right?

While all death and destruction is terrible, it's hard for me to focus on one part of the world when radical Islam has spread to my own backyard. To me, to us, that takes precedence. You can deny it all you want, but Islam has a violent nature that non-Muslims despise, and weak-minded Muslims flock too.

If I were you, I'd focus more on the Muslims killing other Muslims and find a way to reform that religion.

I guess I can understand that...if you weren't from the usa. 9/11 was terrible and devastating, don't take it the wrong way, but for the most part it is common knowledge that it was an inside job to kick start that whole fiasco in the middle east. Other than that, in America, OUR backyard, how many other people were killed because of muslims vs the number of people killed because of christians?

And then again, this isn't just in one part of the world either. Straight genocides went down in Bosnia (europe) and Burma (asia), not to name the rest since you and I both know the list goes on and on of the horrible shit happening to the Muslim people world wide.

You do understand that no matter how much "terrorist" shit goes down in your backyard (smh doe, the effects of propaganda), they are still the ones getting the dirtier end of the stick, right?

[HighFlyer23]

You understand though that radical Muslims are all over the world right?

While all death and destruction is terrible, it's hard for me to focus on one part of the world when radical Islam has spread to my own backyard. To me, to us, that takes precedence. You can deny it all you want, but Islam has a violent nature that non-Muslims despise, and weak-minded Muslims flock too.

If I were you, I'd focus more on the Muslims killing other Muslims and find a way to reform that religion.

Islam is the most pure way and wholesome of life. Purity and impurity cannot coexist together. There will always be a struggle between the two. This is why Islam will always be a perceived threat.

Many Muslims do not fully comprehend the laws behind Jihad and Qital. They see their brothers and sisters under fire and are compelled to act because of the pain they feel.

The religion is perfect; it won't undergo "reformations" like Christianity or Judaism, two religions that ended up becoming products of their adherents.

I'd advise you to take care of your own domestic problems first.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I guess I can understand that...if you weren't from the usa. 9/11 was terrible and devastating, don't take it the wrong way, but for the most part it is common knowledge that it was an inside job to kick start that whole fiasco in the middle east. Other than that, in America, OUR backyard, how many other people were killed because of muslims vs the number of people killed because of christians?

And then again, this isn't just in one part of the world either. Straight genocides went down in Bosnia (europe) and Burma (asia), not to name the rest since you and I both know the list goes on and on of the horrible shit happening to the Muslim people world wide.

You do understand that no matter how much "terrorist" shit goes down in your backyard (smh doe, the effects of propaganda), they are still the ones getting the dirtier end of the stick, right?

Thanks for being classy but Patrick's realllly not worth it.

It's like talking to a wall.

Literally that's the ceiling of his intellect. Except the wall is more honest and you just might learn something from it.

You give a point, it doesn't penetrate anywhere, and the wall just echoes the same old rhetoric. "Look da moderatezz are deflectin deflectin deflectin and are gonna stick up for dere terrorist brutvassss." Despite ISIS slaughtering Muslims. Despite moderate-extremist BEING a FALSE DICHOTOMY to begin with. An "extremist" Muslim would be one who never leaves the mosque and does charity to the point where he has no life. But they can't imagine that can they? Their like stupid f*cking sea cucumbers absorbing whatever sh!t the catfish of the sea trynna defecate and then passin' it off as truth. He uses the same exact tactics as Bill O Reilly except Bill is likely more educated than his entire lineage combined. Ten times over.

This is the same buffoon who thought it was funny to post a fake pic of some middle aged dude and pass it off. How utterly f*cking insane do you have to be to think that would garner any sort of laughter?

He hasn't even memorized one. single. ayat. of Surah Fatihah and thinks he's qualified to hold a proper discussion. Let that click for you. a 4 year old who still needs his mom to cross the street is a worthier person to speak with than these smegmapolitans. 9 is even more stupid. poido is a bigger moron yet.

They can't even f*cking understand that Saudi Arabians put veils on their women, use the prayer mats, and have other Salafi Customs BECAUSE THEY ARE PEOPLE OF THE DESERT and sand gets into them. They don't even have the intelligence to discern culture and religion. How can they possibly be worthy of any respect? Pauk has been saying this to them for MONTHS.

fiddy's not even a human. He forfeited his membership to the sapien race the second he said he wanted dead innocent bodies.

These people are trash. They're not even people. And They're ALL MUCH OLDER THAN YOU. Well 3 of them.

You've got a family. You're going to be an engineer. You want to do good in this world. You value life.

Deaf, dumb, blind, mean-spirited, and dishonest.. Yep. These twerps truly epitomize what sin is all about.

[9erempiree]

Islam is the most pure way and wholesome of life. Purity and impurity cannot coexist together. There will always be a struggle between the two. This is why Islam will always be a perceived threat.

Many Muslims do not fully comprehend the laws behind Jihad and Qital. They see their brothers and sisters under fire and are compelled to act because of the pain they feel.

The religion is perfect; it won't undergo "reformations" like Christianity or Judaism, two religions that ended up becoming products of their adherents.

I'd advise you to take care of your own domestic problems first.

Have we not have countless discussions on the what the book says? Care to explain how stoning someone to death is pure? Or the countless other teachings of violence in the book.

If it is up to the individual to interpret the book than would it be better to reform? We surely wouldn't want crazy idiots to literally believe "stoning" someone is a solution in their society.

[9erempiree]

Thanks for being classy but Patrick's realllly not worth it.

It's like talking to a wall.

Literally that's the ceiling of his intellect. Except the wall is more honest and you just might learn something from it.

You give a point, it doesn't penetrate anywhere, and the wall just echoes the same old rhetoric. "Look da moderatezz are deflectin deflectin deflectin and are gonna stick up for dere terrorist brutvassss." Despite ISIS slaughtering Muslims. Despite moderate-extremist BEING a FALSE DICHOTOMY to begin with. An "extremist" Muslim would be one who never leaves the mosque and does charity to the point where he has no life. But they can't imagine that can they? Their like stupid f*cking sea cucumbers absorbing whatever sh!t the catfish of the sea trynna defecate and then passin' it off as truth. He uses the same exact tactics as Bill O Reilly except Bill is likely more educated than his entire lineage combined. Ten times over.

This is the same buffoon who thought it was funny to post a fake pic of some middle aged dude and pass it off. How utterly f*cking insane do you have to be to think that would garner any sort of laughter?

He hasn't even memorized one. single. ayat. of Surah Fatihah and thinks he's qualified to hold a proper discussion. Let that click for you. a 4 year old who still needs his mom to cross the street is a worthier person to speak with than these smegmapolitans. 9 is even more stupid. poido is a bigger moron yet.

They can't even f*cking understand that Saudi Arabians put veils on their women, use the prayer mats, and have other Salafi Customs BECAUSE THEY ARE PEOPLE OF THE DESERT and sand gets into them. They don't even have the intelligence to discern culture and religion. How can they possibly be worthy of any respect? Pauk has been saying this to them for MONTHS.

fiddy's not even a human. He forfeited his membership to the sapien race the second he said he wanted dead innocent bodies.

These people are trash. They're not even people. And They're ALL MUCH OLDER THAN YOU. Well 3 of them.

You've got a family. You're going to be an engineer. You want to do good in this world. You value life.

Deaf, dumb, blind, mean-spirited, and dishonest.. Yep. These twerps truly epitomize what sin is all about.

I see that you resorted back to name calling. I thought this was a holy month. Couldn't hold back could you? It's the Islamic teachings that is dying to come out of you.:lol

Same shit we see reported on the news and that is, Muslims get angry and violent over protesters. In this instance, we are the protesters that you are angry about.:facepalm

[HighFlyer23]

Have we not have countless discussions on the what the book says? Care to explain how stoning someone to death is pure? Or the countless other teachings of violence in the book.

If it is up to the individual to interpret the book than would it be better to reform? We surely wouldn't want crazy idiots to literally believe "stoning" someone is a solution in their society.

Stoning is not found in the Qur'an, it is part of the Sunnah and found in the Hadith.

Yes, stoning to death is the punishment for adultery. You need 4 witnesses in order for this punishment to be implemented. The more severe the crime, the more severe the punishment. Adultery is a transgression that earns that kind of penalty.

If you are going to take a myopic approach and just look at perceived "violence" then there is no point in a discussion. You hear about stoning and have no clue as to what its about or what it involves. When you study the laws of a country you don't just look at the punishments in the penal code while ignoring everything else.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Islam is the most pure way and wholesome of life. Purity and impurity cannot coexist together. There will always be a struggle between the two. This is why Islam will always be a perceived threat.

Many Muslims do not fully comprehend the laws behind Jihad and Qital. They see their brothers and sisters under fire and are compelled to act because of the pain they feel.

The religion is perfect; it won't undergo "reformations" like Christianity or Judaism, two religions that ended up becoming products of their adherents.

I'd advise you to take care of your own domestic problems first.
No religion is perfect

[fiddy]

Thanks for being classy but Patrick's realllly not worth it.

It's like talking to a wall.

Literally that's the ceiling of his intellect. Except the wall is more honest and you just might learn something from it.

You give a point, it doesn't penetrate anywhere, and the wall just echoes the same old rhetoric. "Look da moderatezz are deflectin deflectin deflectin and are gonna stick up for dere terrorist brutvassss." Despite ISIS slaughtering Muslims. Despite moderate-extremist BEING a FALSE DICHOTOMY to begin with. An "extremist" Muslim would be one who never leaves the mosque and does charity to the point where he has no life. But they can't imagine that can they? Their like stupid f*cking sea cucumbers absorbing whatever sh!t the catfish of the sea trynna defecate and then passin' it off as truth. He uses the same exact tactics as Bill O Reilly except Bill is likely more educated than his entire lineage combined. Ten times over.

This is the same buffoon who thought it was funny to post a fake pic of some middle aged dude and pass it off. How utterly f*cking insane do you have to be to think that would garner any sort of laughter?

He hasn't even memorized one. single. ayat. of Surah Fatihah and thinks he's qualified to hold a proper discussion. Let that click for you. a 4 year old who still needs his mom to cross the street is a worthier person to speak with than these smegmapolitans. 9 is even more stupid. poido is a bigger moron yet.

They can't even f*cking understand that Saudi Arabians put veils on their women, use the prayer mats, and have other Salafi Customs BECAUSE THEY ARE PEOPLE OF THE DESERT and sand gets into them. They don't even have the intelligence to discern culture and religion. How can they possibly be worthy of any respect? Pauk has been saying this to them for MONTHS.

fiddy's not even a human. He forfeited his membership to the sapien race the second he said he wanted dead innocent bodies.

These people are trash. They're not even people. And They're ALL MUCH OLDER THAN YOU. Well 3 of them.

You've got a family. You're going to be an engineer. You want to do good in this world. You value life.

Deaf, dumb, blind, mean-spirited, and dishonest.. Yep. These twerps truly epitomize what sin is all about.

This is just pathetic and purely ironic, you are 100 percent disconnected from reality and yet have the nerve to call out other people inhumane? A religious nutcase, just called me inhumane?! :roll: :roll: Religious people are the utmost disgrace to the 21st century human. I have zero respect and zero tolerance for religious people. Theres no place for discussion or compromises, i dont negotiate with insane people.

[NumberSix]

How many times do we have to say that we have the same stance against Isis that you do?? We don't ****s with isis at allllllllllllllll, not one bit, you just keeeep beating a dead horse. And its not like isis is killing mostly christians for you to be this angry about it, they are mostly killing US MUSLIMS, and STILL you blame our religion for it...really?? We are the ones getting the stick of it, yet it's still somehow our fault and all this other shit going around the world doesn't matter. really?? REALLY??

:biggums:
To be fair, that's not exactly a high bar. I mean, Al Qaeda doesn't agree with ISIS either. It's not exactly a drastically moderate position.

[9erempiree]

Stoning is not found in the Qur'an, it is part of the Sunnah and found in the Hadith.

Yes, stoning to death is the punishment for adultery. You need 4 witnesses in order for this punishment to be implemented. The more severe the crime, the more severe the punishment. Adultery is a transgression that earns that kind of penalty.

If you are going to take a myopic approach and just look at perceived "violence" then there is no point in a discussion. You hear about stoning and have no clue as to what its about or what it involves. When you study the laws of a country you don't just look at the punishments in the penal code while ignoring everything else.

The bolded is your typical Muslim's train of thought.

"earns that kind of penalty".....basically in an eloquent way, yes, they should be stoned to death.

So one Muslim proceeds to tell me they don't act violently. Another tells me it earns that kind of penalty. Another one tells me how much of an idiot we are and we should convert.

Ladies and gentleman...I rest my case.

:facepalm

[9erempiree]

Islam is the most pure way and wholesome of life. Purity and impurity cannot coexist together. There will always be a struggle between the two. This is why Islam will always be a perceived threat.

Many Muslims do not fully comprehend the laws behind Jihad and Qital. They see their brothers and sisters under fire and are compelled to act because of the pain they feel.

The religion is perfect; it won't undergo "reformations" like Christianity or Judaism, two religions that ended up becoming products of their adherents.

I'd advise you to take care of your own domestic problems first.

You are a dream come true. Everything you posted is what I have been saying all along.

First of all, the problem with Islam is that it is too cut and dry and everything is black or white. There is no compromise in this religion. As you explained purity and impurity cannot coexist therefore there is no common ground. An example of this kind of logic would be Christians and Muslims not accepting homosexuals. The difference is that a Christian can show compassion and love towards a gay family member while a Muslim will throw them off a building or disown them.



Many Muslims do not fully comprehend the laws behind Jihad and Qital. They see their brothers and sisters under fire and are compelled to act because of the pain they feel.

When push comes to shove, Muslims will always side with their brothers and sisters no matter what and you are basically agreeing with my statements in the past in regards to this. According to your logic, Muslims can't comprehend Jihad and Qital and no matter what their brothers and sisters are doing, killing or beheading, they will act because they feel their pain. This is exactly why Muslims don't speak out against the Islamic State. Proof is also the Muslim members on ISH that don't speak out either.



I'd advise you to take care of your own domestic problems first.

What do you think I am doing right now? This is obviously a domestic problem and I am trying to take care of it.

[HighFlyer23]

You are a dream come true. Everything you posted is what I have been saying all along.

First of all, the problem with Islam is that it is too cut and dry and everything is black or white. There is no compromise in this religion. As you explained purity and impurity cannot coexist therefore there is no common ground. An example of this kind of logic would be Christians and Muslims not accepting homosexuals. The difference is that a Christian can show compassion and love towards a gay family member while a Muslim will throw them off a building or disown them.


Not at all. Many aspects are black and white but there are also areas where you will find differences in viewpoints, with regard to jurisprudence. This is how the varying schools of jurisprudence came about. There are clear areas and there is also the framework for everything else.

I doubt a Muslim is going to throw a family member off a building for believing s/he is gay. You cannot punish someone for harboring those feelings. Rather they would pray for that person experiencing those feelings.


When push comes to shove, Muslims will always side with their brothers and sisters no matter what and you are basically agreeing with my statements in the past in regards to this. According to your logic, Muslims can't comprehend Jihad and Qital and no matter what their brothers and sisters are doing, killing or beheading, they will act because they feel their pain. This is exactly why Muslims don't speak out against the Islamic State. Proof is also the Muslim members on ISH that don't speak out either.


"Islamic State" is just as brutal in their campaigns against Muslims as they are against non Muslims. "Islamic State" or Daesh is spoken out against all the time. Burning people alive (something that is actually strictly forbidden) and making snuff films is not part of Islam. Recruiting children to fight is not part of Islam. They create more disorder and strife than anything else.

I'm speaking out against them now, even if no one else has bothered too, and I doubt this is the case.

[9erempiree]

"Islamic State" is just as brutal in their campaigns against Muslims as they are against non Muslims. "Islamic State" or Daesh is spoken out against all the time. Burning people alive (something that is actually strictly forbidden) and making snuff films is not part of Islam. Recruiting children to fight is not part of Islam. They create more disorder and strife than anything else.

I'm speaking out against them now, even if no one else has bothered too, and I doubt this is the case.

I can respect you because you can have a civil discussion and not get heated about it. I will also respect you for actually speaking against these thugs that many of your Muslim brotherhood have failed to do.

If only they were more like you.

[HighFlyer23]

I can respect you because you can have a civil discussion and not get heated about it. I will also respect you for actually speaking against these thugs that many of your Muslim brotherhood have failed to do.

If only they were more like you.


An Islamic Khilafat that establishes the Shari'ah is still the goal for the Muslims.

And there will always be a struggle between Islam and disbelief.

And of course, we extend our invitation to you and everyone else on this forum to accept the religion of Islam.

[fiddy]

An Islamic Khilafat that establishes the Shari'ah is still the goal for the Muslims.

And there will always be a struggle between Islam and disbelief.

And of course, we extend our invitation to you and everyone else on this forum to accept the religion of Islam.
Thank you!:applause: For confirming my prejudices

[BlackWhiteGreen]

An Islamic Khilafat that establishes the Shari'ah is still the goal for the Muslims.

And there will always be a struggle between Islam and disbelief.

And of course, we extend our invitation to you and everyone else on this forum to accept the religion of Islam.

Accept that it exists? Or accept that it is correct or true?

[HighFlyer23]

Accept that it exists? Or accept that it is correct or true?

Was I really that ambiguous?

[RidonKs]

No, the last time we did it, we turned Syria into an uninhabitable warzone, resulting in spillover to Iraq, and the loss of everything that we had invested in that country.
some investment. it's been a ticking heart attack since reagan.

[MavsSuperFan]

No, the last time we did it, we turned Syria into an uninhabitable warzone, resulting in spillover to Iraq, and the loss of everything that we had invested in that country. Not only that, but the time before, we did it in Libya, and that country is now another uninhabitable wasteland, and is exporting its problems into neighbouring countries, destabilising the entire region.

Whether it 'benefits' the American military-industrial complex is irrelevant when we have fostered the conditions to create sectarian conflicts that will drag on for decades (ones that are creating a huge immigrant problems in Europe, and is allowing hidden terrorists to filter over through the crowds).

It's quite hilarious really: you'll get all moral over the idea of gay marriage, and yet here you are, justifying the slaughter of millions, for a very slight geopolitical gain for America. Russia is used to having the CIA use Islamic extremists against them, as they've been doing it ever since the Soviet collapse (to 'weaken' Russia as you put it); perhaps if the Russians didn't know American intelligence had been undermining them in this way for so long they wouldn't be so wary of NATO expansion in the first place. The attempted NATO expansion into Ukraine is one of the most blind, foolish and ahistorical blunders made by United States politicians - it really shows how little these imbeciles know about other countries, while attempting to turn them into warzones, fund the overthrow of governments they don't like, and so on. In fact, NATO existed to counter the Soviet Union, so why exactly does it exist now, and why exactly does it need to be expanded to nations with far stronger cultural, religious and economic ties to Russia, not America, NATO, the EU, and corporate neoliberalism.


ISIS isn't 'crazy' - their actions have been very measured and calculated, their military tactics are intelligent and professional, their recruitment devious. You obviously know **** all about this situation - so why are you running your mouth?


No, the last time we did it, we turned Syria into an uninhabitable warzone, resulting in spillover to Iraq, and the loss of everything that we had invested in that country. Not only that, but the time before, we did it in Libya, and that country is now another uninhabitable wasteland, and is exporting its problems into neighbouring countries, destabilising the entire region.

Iraq was mishandled from the beginning removing the Baathists from the government was a huge mistake. Democracy in Iraq only favored the shia who were likely to become an iranian ally/satellite. If the US was going to invade iraq it should have kept the sunnis in charge with saddam's power structure and basically replaced the head with a pro american strong man.

Iraq without the emergence of ISIS was already lost to iran.
Libya's current situation is no worse for america than it was under gaddafi's control.
Syria's destabilization is more of a loss for russia, china, and iran than it is for america.


Whether it 'benefits' the American military-industrial complex is irrelevant when we have fostered the conditions to create sectarian conflicts that will drag on for decades (ones that are creating a huge immigrant problems in Europe, and is allowing hidden terrorists to filter over through the crowds).

I only care about what benefits american geopolitical position. I dont care about europe and have never claimed to.


It's quite hilarious really: you'll get all moral over the idea of gay marriage, and yet here you are, justifying the slaughter of millions, for a very slight geopolitical gain for America.

Accurate, i am very nationalistic. I care less about people outside of america. I have never hid my nationalism and expressed it in many different topics.


Russia is used to having the CIA use Islamic extremists against them, as they've been doing it ever since the Soviet collapse (to 'weaken' Russia as you put it); perhaps if the Russians didn't know American intelligence had been undermining them in this way for so long they wouldn't be so wary of NATO expansion in the first place. The attempted NATO expansion into Ukraine is one of the most blind, foolish and ahistorical blunders made by United States politicians - it really shows how little these imbeciles know about other countries, while attempting to turn them into warzones, fund the overthrow of governments they don't like, and so on. In fact, NATO existed to counter the Soviet Union, so why exactly does it exist now, and why exactly does it need to be expanded to nations with far stronger cultural, religious and economic ties to Russia, not America, NATO, the EU, and corporate neoliberalism.

If these nations choose to side with america/the west/nato against russia, who are you or the russians to force them to stay russian satellites? Why dont the Baltic states have the right to choose who they associate with?

Overall nato's expansion into eastern europe has been remarkably successful. The czech republic, hungary, poland, bulgaria, estonia, latvia, lithuania, romania, solvakia, slovenia, Albania, croatia

are all official members of nato. I believe all were former Warsaw pact nations (at least the territory they reside on)

If these nations of their freewill choose to join an american dominated alliance, why should they not have the right to do so? Why doesnt ukraine or georgia have the right to distance itself from russia? Does an abused housewife have to stay with her husband just because they have been married for a long time?


In fact, NATO existed to counter the Soviet Union, so why exactly does it exist now
To counter russia and prevent russian domination of eastern europe imo. Also to help eastern European countries to achieve the level of independence and sovereignty they want in the face of Russian coercion


ISIS isn't 'crazy' - their actions have been very measured and calculated, their military tactics are intelligent and professional, their recruitment devious.
You give ISIS too much credit most of their success in syria and iraq is due to Baathist joining them. Eg. former saddam era sunni military leaders. Also Assad's syria, the kurds and Maliki's iraq are not exactly powerful opponents.


You obviously know **** all about this situation - so why are you running your mouth?[
I doubt i know less about this than you do, I just have different opinions than you. You are awfully uppitty for an unemployed philosophy major though lol. Good luck getting that minimum wage service job.

[Dresta]

You've lost the right to make a moral-based argument on this site ever again; did you read the despicable nonsense you have just typed, do you actually believe in such jingoistic drivel? Yes, that's right, nothing at all matters, aside from American interests; if it's in the American interest to **** up one country after another, destroying the lives of millions, then that is a retarded ****ing interest, one which is obviously going to backfire massively in the future. Honestly, there really isn't much difference between ISIS, and people like you; except, at least people from ISIS worship god (and think they actually have a divine cause - this must be a powerful and moving motivator) instead of simply being shills for the power of the American state, like you are (and for a lot of them, their actions are born of misery and torment, whereas your opinions are born of entitlement, indulgence, and being too secure and protected your entire life). Your ideology resembles fascism more than anything else, but you're too stupid and misinformed (historically blind) to recognise it.

Oh, and what America did in Libya is quickly creating an immigrant crisis for Western Europe, adding a massively increased threat of terrorist atrocities all throughout Europe (while also helping to destroy another country, the only positive example from the Arab Spring: Tunisia, where 30+ Brits were gunned down the other day, in an attack that would not have happened if America hadn't destroyed Libya). Not to mention this has already bitten America on the ass, and will continue to do so - the vacuous support of foolish actions in other nations by morons like you, is making the citizens of your country the most hated and most targeted citizenry all throughout the world, but, of course, many areas of the world being no-go zones for Americans isn't a problem at all. The destruction of one of the oldest and most beautiful countries in the world, in Syria, and its thousands of years of history 'doesn't matter if it upsets the Russians a bit' - you should be ashamed. Colonialism was far superior to such a clueless imperialism as this, and far less destructive to human life, than this kind of foolish foreign policy. It's either the most blatant incompetence, or the worst kind of sadism, and you're a willing shill for this!

If millions of people getting brutally killed and having their lives ruined, and you're standing on the sidelines cheering (and enabling and supporting) the carnage, then that makes you a thoroughly despicable human being. I despise you truly, as it is because of people like you that commentators can say 9/11 was the chickens coming home to roost, and have some justification for saying it. It's scum like you that makes it impossible for America to be a beacon to the world, and why they have a foreign policy as uncaring about the loss of human life as China. Congrats for that - you have ruined things for all the sensible and non-psychotic Americans out there who don't want to be the cause of such horrific mayhem and destruction.

And yes, i know far more than you about almost every topic. You are one of the most shallow and banal individuals on here - literally all your opinions are uninformed and ignorant platitudes, backed up by the typical arrogance of an imbecile. Oh, and i've never studied philosophy at University, nor taken 'majors' (that's an American thing), you stupid jackass. I have worked in 3 different countries though - have you even left American shores for anything more than a holiday? Travelled much, worked and lived in different places? I doubt it. People like you never leave their boxes.

edit: oh, and Ukraine never 'chose' to be a Western satellite, rather, their democratically elected President rejected the EU Accession Agreement, in favour of the Russian package, which had fewer conditions, and was for far more money (a sensible decision considering Ukraine needed money desperately). Shortly afterwards, Yanukovich was expelled from power in what was clearly an American-backed putsch. Since when do a few people in Kiev get to decide the future destiny of an entire nation, much of which feels itself much closer to Russia. Its economy would also benefit far more being closely aligned with Russia's, rather than the EU's, as it is much more similar to the former. The EU can barely hold itself together, and yet it's forcing expansion (really driven by the US desire to encircle and enfeeble Russia by any means available, something that has been the goal of American foreign policy ever since the end of the Cold War). NATO serves no purpose in the modern world: it was formed to combat the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union no longer exists; all it does nowadays is forwards American imperial interests, usually to the destruction of other parties. Not to mention we have countries like Turkey in NATO, who have funded and ennabled the growth of ISIS, and are now talking about invading Northern Syria to prevent the Kurds there from setting up their own states - what allies! what a coherent system!

:facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

You've lost the right to make a moral-based argument on this site ever again; did you read the despicable nonsense you have just typed, do you actually believe in such jingoistic drivel? Yes, that's right, nothing at all matters, aside from American interests; if it's in the American interest to **** up one country after another, destroying the lives of millions, then that is a retarded ****ing interest, one which is obviously going to backfire massively in the future. Honestly, there really isn't much difference between ISIS, and people like you; except, at least people from ISIS worship god (and think they actually have a divine cause - this must be a powerful and moving motivator) instead of simply being shills for the power of the American state, like you are (and for a lot of them, their actions are born of misery and torment, whereas your opinions are born of entitlement, indulgence, and being too secure and protected your entire life). Your ideology resembles fascism more than anything else, but you're too stupid and misinformed (historically blind) to recognise it.

Oh, and what America did in Libya is quickly creating an immigrant crisis for Western Europe, adding a massively increased threat of terrorist atrocities all throughout Europe (while also helping to destroy another country, the only positive example from the Arab Spring: Tunisia, where 30+ Brits were gunned down the other day, in an attack that would not have happened if America hadn't destroyed Libya). Not to mention this has already bitten America on the ass, and will continue to do so - the vacuous support of foolish actions in other nations by morons like you, is making the citizens of your country the most hated and most targeted citizenry all throughout the world, but, of course, many areas of the world being no-go zones for Americans isn't a problem at all. The destruction of one of the oldest and most beautiful countries in the world, in Syria, and its thousands of years of history 'doesn't matter if it upsets the Russians a bit' - you should be ashamed. Colonialism was far superior to such a clueless imperialism as this, and far less destructive to human life, than this kind of foolish foreign policy. It's either the most blatant incompetence, or the worst kind of sadism, and you're a willing shill for this!

If millions of people getting brutally killed and having their lives ruined, and you're standing on the sidelines cheering (and enabling and supporting) the carnage, then that makes you a thoroughly despicable human being. I despise you truly, as it is because of people like you that commentators can say 9/11 was the chickens coming home to roost, and have some justification for saying it. It's scum like you that makes it impossible for America to be a beacon to the world, and why they have a foreign policy as uncaring about the loss of human life as China. Congrats for that - you have ruined things for all the sensible and non-psychotic Americans out there who don't want to be the cause of such horrific mayhem and destruction.

And yes, i know far more than you about almost every topic. You are one of the most shallow and banal individuals on here - literally all your opinions are uninformed and ignorant platitudes, backed up by the typical arrogance of an imbecile. Oh, and i've never studied philosophy at University, nor taken 'majors' (that's an American thing), you stupid jackass. I have worked in 3 different countries though - have you even left American shores for anything more than a holiday? Travelled much, worked and lived in different places? I doubt it. People like you never leave their boxes.

edit: oh, and Ukraine never 'chose' to be a Western satellite, rather, their democratically elected President rejected the EU Accession Agreement, in favour of the Russian package, which had fewer conditions, and was for far more money (a sensible decision considering Ukraine needed money desperately). Shortly afterwards, Yanukovich was expelled from power in what was clearly an American-backed putsch. Since when do a few people in Kiev get to decide the future destiny of an entire nation, much of which feels itself much closer to Russia. Its economy would also benefit far more being closely aligned with Russia's, rather than the EU's, as it is much more similar to the former. The EU can barely hold itself together, and yet it's forcing expansion (really driven by the US desire to encircle and enfeeble Russia by any means available, something that has been the goal of American foreign policy ever since the end of the Cold War). NATO serves no purpose in the modern world: it was formed to combat the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union no longer exists; all it does nowadays is forwards American imperial interests, usually to the destruction of other parties. Not to mention we have countries like Turkey in NATO, who have funded and ennabled the growth of ISIS, and are now talking about invading Northern Syria to prevent the Kurds there from setting up their own states - what allies! what a coherent system!

:facepalm
:applause: where are you from dresta?

[brownmamba00]

Iraq was mishandled from the beginning removing the Baathists from the government was a huge mistake. Democracy in Iraq only favored the shia who were likely to become an iranian ally/satellite. If the US was going to invade iraq it should have kept the sunnis in charge with saddam's power structure and basically replaced the head with a pro american strong man.

Iraq without the emergence of ISIS was already lost to iran.
Libya's current situation is no worse for america than it was under gaddafi's control.
Syria's destabilization is more of a loss for russia, china, and iran than it is for america.



I only care about what benefits american geopolitical position. I dont care about europe and have never claimed to.



Accurate, i am very nationalistic. I care less about people outside of america. I have never hid my nationalism and expressed it in many different topics.



If these nations choose to side with america/the west/nato against russia, who are you or the russians to force them to stay russian satellites? Why dont the Baltic states have the right to choose who they associate with?

Overall nato's expansion into eastern europe has been remarkably successful. The czech republic, hungary, poland, bulgaria, estonia, latvia, lithuania, romania, solvakia, slovenia, Albania, croatia

are all official members of nato. I believe all were former Warsaw pact nations (at least the territory they reside on)

If these nations of their freewill choose to join an american dominated alliance, why should they not have the right to do so? Why doesnt ukraine or georgia have the right to distance itself from russia? Does an abused housewife have to stay with her husband just because they have been married for a long time?


To counter russia and prevent russian domination of eastern europe imo. Also to help eastern European countries to achieve the level of independence and sovereignty they want in the face of Russian coercion


You give ISIS too much credit most of their success in syria and iraq is due to Baathist joining them. Eg. former saddam era sunni military leaders. Also Assad's syria, the kurds and Maliki's iraq are not exactly powerful opponents.


I doubt i know less about this than you do, I just have different opinions than you. You are awfully uppitty for an unemployed philosophy major though lol. Good luck getting that minimum wage service job.
Fascists are the worst kind of people whether it's an American or Ugandan...disgusting post.

also you obviously don't know shit about what went on in Ukraine last year...same thing with Israel.

[RidonKs]

You've lost the right to make a moral-based argument on this site ever again; did you read the despicable nonsense you have just typed, do you actually believe in such jingoistic drivel? Yes, that's right, nothing at all matters, aside from American interests; if it's in the American interest to **** up one country after another, destroying the lives of millions, then that is a retarded ****ing interest, one which is obviously going to backfire massively in the future. Honestly, there really isn't much difference between ISIS, and people like you; except, at least people from ISIS worship god (and think they actually have a divine cause - this must be a powerful and moving motivator) instead of simply being shills for the power of the American state, like you are (and for a lot of them, their actions are born of misery and torment, whereas your opinions are born of entitlement, indulgence, and being too secure and protected your entire life). Your ideology resembles fascism more than anything else, but you're too stupid and misinformed (historically blind) to recognise it.

Oh, and what America did in Libya is quickly creating an immigrant crisis for Western Europe, adding a massively increased threat of terrorist atrocities all throughout Europe (while also helping to destroy another country, the only positive example from the Arab Spring: Tunisia, where 30+ Brits were gunned down the other day, in an attack that would not have happened if America hadn't destroyed Libya). Not to mention this has already bitten America on the ass, and will continue to do so - the vacuous support of foolish actions in other nations by morons like you, is making the citizens of your country the most hated and most targeted citizenry all throughout the world, but, of course, many areas of the world being no-go zones for Americans isn't a problem at all. The destruction of one of the oldest and most beautiful countries in the world, in Syria, and its thousands of years of history 'doesn't matter if it upsets the Russians a bit' - you should be ashamed. Colonialism was far superior to such a clueless imperialism as this, and far less destructive to human life, than this kind of foolish foreign policy. It's either the most blatant incompetence, or the worst kind of sadism, and you're a willing shill for this!

If millions of people getting brutally killed and having their lives ruined, and you're standing on the sidelines cheering (and enabling and supporting) the carnage, then that makes you a thoroughly despicable human being. I despise you truly, as it is because of people like you that commentators can say 9/11 was the chickens coming home to roost, and have some justification for saying it. It's scum like you that makes it impossible for America to be a beacon to the world, and why they have a foreign policy as uncaring about the loss of human life as China. Congrats for that - you have ruined things for all the sensible and non-psychotic Americans out there who don't want to be the cause of such horrific mayhem and destruction.

And yes, i know far more than you about almost every topic. You are one of the most shallow and banal individuals on here - literally all your opinions are uninformed and ignorant platitudes, backed up by the typical arrogance of an imbecile. Oh, and i've never studied philosophy at University, nor taken 'majors' (that's an American thing), you stupid jackass. I have worked in 3 different countries though - have you even left American shores for anything more than a holiday? Travelled much, worked and lived in different places? I doubt it. People like you never leave their boxes.

edit: oh, and Ukraine never 'chose' to be a Western satellite, rather, their democratically elected President rejected the EU Accession Agreement, in favour of the Russian package, which had fewer conditions, and was for far more money (a sensible decision considering Ukraine needed money desperately). Shortly afterwards, Yanukovich was expelled from power in what was clearly an American-backed putsch. Since when do a few people in Kiev get to decide the future destiny of an entire nation, much of which feels itself much closer to Russia. Its economy would also benefit far more being closely aligned with Russia's, rather than the EU's, as it is much more similar to the former. The EU can barely hold itself together, and yet it's forcing expansion (really driven by the US desire to encircle and enfeeble Russia by any means available, something that has been the goal of American foreign policy ever since the end of the Cold War). NATO serves no purpose in the modern world: it was formed to combat the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union no longer exists; all it does nowadays is forwards American imperial interests, usually to the destruction of other parties. Not to mention we have countries like Turkey in NATO, who have funded and ennabled the growth of ISIS, and are now talking about invading Northern Syria to prevent the Kurds there from setting up their own states - what allies! what a coherent system!

:facepalm
:applause: :lol

except for that bold comment in the middle

[Patrick Chewing]

I think Dresta is George R.R. Martin.

[MavsSuperFan]

ou've lost the right to make a moral-based argument on this site ever again;
When have I ever cited morality as a basis for my arguments? I think you are mistaking me for someone else. Most of my arguments are what i consider utilitarian. I dont think i have ever brought up morality on this site or ever.
I have not denied being jingoistic. And yes i do put american interests above the interests of other nations. Overall history has shown in many cases american hegemony yields very good results for american satellites in the long term.

I would strongly dispute that american foreign policy ruins the lives of people in other nations that are apart of america's sphere of influence in most cases. In the long term most nations thrive under the umbrella of american military protection and economic trade with america. Eg. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, western europe, israel, Philippines etc.


Honestly, there really isn't much difference between ISIS, and people like you; except, at least people from ISIS worship god (and think they actually have a divine cause - this must be a powerful and moving motivator) instead of simply being shills for the power of the American state, like you are (and for a lot of them, their actions are born of misery and torment, whereas your opinions are born of entitlement, indulgence, and being too secure and protected your entire life). Your ideology resembles fascism more than anything else, but you're too stupid and misinformed (historically blind) to recognise it.
American hegemony has yielded great results for many nations across the globe. ISIS's tactics are far more brutal and have no track record of success. Further American satellites have historically transitioned from dictatorships to genuine democracies that are pro american. Taiwan and south korea for example. Even a nation that arguably america committed war crimes against, like the Philippines has been aided by america and is now a stout america ally with a genuine democracy. Sure they went through a stage where marcos was the dictator, but eventually a democracy emerged. Ideally something like this would happen in the middle east.

No nations look towards ISIS for leadership or support. Various nations in asia, currently look towards the US to act as a hedge against china in defending their sovereignty in the south china sea. Eg. Japan wants the us to help it defend its claim to the senkaku/diaoyu islands. Malayasia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam are seek to ally with the US in order to strengthen their claims of sovereignty over the spratly islands. The US is the greatest protect of freedom of navigation in the south china sea and the various oceans.

If america has been such a predator and a vicious hegemon, why is it that so many nations seek out alliances with america?


Oh, and what America did in Libya is quickly creating an immigrant crisis for Western Europe, adding a massively increased threat of terrorist atrocities all throughout Europe (while also helping to destroy another country, the only positive example from the Arab Spring: Tunisia, where 30+ Brits were gunned down the other day, in an attack that would not have happened if America hadn't destroyed Libya). Not to mention this has already bitten America on the ass, and will continue to do so - the vacuous support of foolish actions in other nations by morons like you, is making the citizens of your country the most hated and most targeted citizenry all throughout the world, but, of course, many areas of the world being no-go zones for Americans isn't a problem at all. The destruction of one of the oldest and most beautiful countries in the world, in Syria, and its thousands of years of history 'doesn't matter if it upsets the Russians a bit' - you should be ashamed. Colonialism was far superior to such a clueless imperialism as this, and far less destructive to human life, than this kind of foolish foreign policy. It's either the most blatant incompetence, or the worst kind of sadism, and you're a willing shill for this!

These situations went poorly, I will acknowledge that, but nothing ventured nothing gained. Ideally libya, and syria would be lead by pro american governments that worked to better the lives of their citizenry. And hopefully eventually they would make the transition to a pro american democracy. I still dont see how the current situation is that much worse for america than them being stable under gaddafi and assad.

Eg. Chiang Ching-kuo lead taiwan as a dictator, and strengthened taiwan, economically. At the end of his reign he transitioned taiwan into a geniune democracy. Park Chung-hee did a similar feat in south korea.


, is making the citizens of your country the most hated and most targeted citizenry all throughout the world, but, of course, many areas of the world being no-go zones for Americans isn't a problem at all.
Not all that relevant, american tourists bring in cash, cash is welcome in any good vacation area, eg.turks and caicos. Really who wants to vacation in syria.


The destruction of one of the oldest and most beautiful countries in the world, in Syria, and its thousands of years of history 'doesn't matter if it upsets the Russians a bit' - you should be ashamed.
Once again, i have not now or ever rooted for the destruction of world heritage sites in syria. This is a tragedy. Whether you acknowledge it or not assad's rule over syria was illegitimate. The sunni majority in that nation deserves a voice, assad crushing them was imo unjustifiable. I wont weep for assad who probably used chemical weapons against civilians. Russia should be ashamed for its support of assad, and you for your defense of him.


Colonialism was far superior to such a clueless imperialism as this, and far less destructive to human life, than this kind of foolish foreign policy. It's either the most blatant incompetence, or the worst kind of sadism, and you're a willing shill for this!

Once again, so many nations have emerged as demoracies from pro american dictatorships/authoritarian regimes. South korea, taiwan, the Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, chile, etc. American hegemony has a far better record than most imperalist powers.


If millions of people getting brutally killed and having their lives ruined, and you're standing on the sidelines cheering (and enabling and supporting) the carnage, then that makes you a thoroughly despicable human being. I despise you truly, as it is because of people like you that commentators can say 9/11 was the chickens coming home to roost, and have some justification for saying it. It's scum like you that makes it impossible for America to be a beacon to the world, and why they have a foreign policy as uncaring about the loss of human life as China. Congrats for that - you have ruined things for all the sensible and non-psychotic Americans out there who don't want to be the cause of such horrific mayhem and destruction.

I dont root for millions of people to die :lol. what a strawman. History has shown in many cases of nations that have transitioned from pro american dictatorships to democracies. I feel american hegemony has a far better record than russian hegemony or that of any other major power that is all. I am not going to pretend i overly care about it, but ideally i want all nations to be pro american democracies. This doesnt mean i want these people to die :lol i am not sure how you jump to that conclusion.


commentators can say 9/11 was the chickens coming home to roost, and have some justification for saying it.
I have never disagreed with this. I think arab nationalists have a lot of reasons to attack america and have said so in many different threads.


It's scum like you that makes it impossible for America to be a beacon to the world, and why they have a foreign policy as uncaring about the loss of human life as China. Congrats for that - you have ruined things for all the sensible and non-psychotic Americans out there who don't want to be the cause of such horrific mayhem and destruction.
:rolleyes: you make all of these assumptions about what i believe, when you dont even have the facts. You are just making straw man arguments. Once again ideally every nation becomes liberal democracies that have similar values to america.

i support american foreign policy because of its historical record of helping nations become thriving democracies. Compare former american satellites to those of the USSR.


And yes, i know far more than you about almost every topic. You are one of the most shallow and banal individuals on here - literally all your opinions are uninformed and ignorant platitudes, backed up by the typical arrogance of an imbecile. Oh, and i've never studied philosophy at University, nor taken 'majors' (that's an American thing), you stupid jackass. I have worked in 3 different countries though - have you even left American shores for anything more than a holiday? Travelled much, worked and lived in different places? I doubt it. People like you never leave their boxes.
You have literally wrote nothing that i didnt already know, your opinions can be found on any libertarian website. I just view these situations differently from how you do. You arrogance is shown in that you assume people who have different opinions from you to be uninformed about a situation.

Just because i think that assad's government being destabilized is justifiable doesnt mean i am less informed than you. Also many people in ukraine wanted closer ties to the west and to distance itself from russia.

for the record i have worked a secondment work term in canada and china. And have frequently gone to china on business trips. I have vacationed in many different areas.

[pauk]

[I]
"Sunbed gunman was high on COCAINE: A stimulant, believed to the class A drug or one similar to it, was detected by doctors during a post-mortem examination, the Daily Mail has been told.

There is speculation the gunman was too high on drugs to detonate his remaining explosive devise.

Survivors said last night that Rezgui, who has been linked to Islamic State, was laughing and smiling as he massacred his 38 victims with an AK-47 assault rifle in Sousse last Friday.

[imdaman99]

Saw this on my FB, thought it was fitting:

Yesterday an ISIS member stopped the car of a Christian couple.

ISIS member: Are you Muslim?
Christian man: Yes, I'm Muslim.
ISIS member: If you are a Muslim, then recite a verse of Quran.

Christian man recited a verse from the Bible.

ISIS member: Ok yallah go.

Later his wife tells him: "I cannot believe the risk you just took.
Why did u tell him that we are Muslims?
If he knew you were lying he would have killed both of us."

"Do not worry! If they knew the Quran they would not kill people" answered the Husband.
ISIS is not Islam, terrorism has no religion.

:oldlol: So true :applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

Saw this on my FB, thought it was fitting:

Yesterday an ISIS member stopped the car of a Christian couple.

ISIS member: Are you Muslim?
Christian man: Yes, I'm Muslim.
ISIS member: If you are a Muslim, then recite a verse of Quran.

Christian man recited a verse from the Bible.

ISIS member: Ok yallah go.

Later his wife tells him: "I cannot believe the risk you just took.
Why did u tell him that we are Muslims?
If he knew you were lying he would have killed both of us."

"Do not worry! If they knew the Quran they would not kill people" answered the Husband.
ISIS is not Islam, terrorism has no religion.

:oldlol: So true :applause:


:facepalm

[HighFlyer23]

Saw this on my FB, thought it was fitting:

Yesterday an ISIS member stopped the car of a Christian couple.

ISIS member: Are you Muslim?
Christian man: Yes, I'm Muslim.
ISIS member: If you are a Muslim, then recite a verse of Quran.

Christian man recited a verse from the Bible.

ISIS member: Ok yallah go.

Later his wife tells him: "I cannot believe the risk you just took.
Why did u tell him that we are Muslims?
If he knew you were lying he would have killed both of us."

"Do not worry! If they knew the Quran they would not kill people" answered the Husband.
ISIS is not Islam, terrorism has no religion.

:oldlol: So true :applause:

Brother,

There is no point in making these kinds of apologetic posts. These people will not care. Nothing ISIS could imagine of doing could ever match or even come close to their crimes. They will continue to claim to be just peace keepers while perpetrating the worst crimes. They are diseased in the heart.

[pauk]

^
Exactly, dont bother... the only ones who think they are muslim / are representing islam are those psychos... and rednecks like 9er & Patrick Chewing aswell lol, but its not those guys fault for thinking like that man, leave them be, its not like they are cultured / have read the Koran to understand they are breaking every single damn rule in the book and that they are actually hurting Islam & Muslims (physically & mentally) the most, even Hitler was more muslim than these guys... :P and yes the terrorists know it, thats why they just want to act like they are going to heaven, interpreting everything to suit their evil deeds, its a good feeling...
Especially when high on Cocaine / Type A drugs...

[StephHamann]

^
even Hitler was muslim .

True genocide of religious minorities is very muslim.

[fiddy]

^
Exactly, dont bother... the only ones who think they are muslim / are representing islam are those psychos... and rednecks like 9er & Patrick Chewing aswell lol, but its not those guys fault for thinking like that man, leave them be, its not like they are cultured / have read the Koran to understand they are breaking every single damn rule in the book and that they are actually hurting Islam & Muslims (physically & mentally) the most, even Hitler was more muslim than these guys... :P and yes the terrorists know it, thats why they just want to act like they are going to heaven, interpreting everything to suit their evil deeds, its a good feeling...
Especially when high on Cocaine / Type A drugs...
Look at post #78 in this thread, the only difference between regular muslims and ISIS is that the latter ones have picked up the guns.

[pauk]

Look at post #78 in this thread, the only difference between regular muslims and ISIS is that the latter ones have picked up the guns.

Stop it Fiddy, you should know better, you are from Balkans.

[fiddy]

Stop it Fiddy, you should know better, you are from Balkans.
Know what? The spirit of the Ottoman is still alive, and ISIS still have to catch to their atrocities. Whats the difference between regular muslims and ISIS? You want caliphate, they want caliphate? :confusedshrug:

[MavsSuperFan]

(really driven by the US desire to encircle and enfeeble Russia by any means available, something that has been the goal of American foreign policy ever since the end of the Cold War). NATO serves no purpose in the modern world: it was formed to combat the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union no longer exists; all it does nowadays is forwards American imperial interests

That is the exact purpose nato serves. Nato has always existed to counter russia and amercian policy in eastern europe has been very successful at curtailing russian power and isolating russia.

Also american imperial interest are obviously preferred by the other countries in eastern Europe when given the alternative of Russian imperial interests. American imperialism is benevolent in comparison to Russian imperialism.


Shortly afterwards, Yanukovich was expelled from power in what was clearly an American-backed putsch. Since when do a few people in Kiev get to decide the future destiny of an entire nation, much of which feels itself much closer to Russia.

There many russian speaking ukrainians who want closer relations with russia, but your statement is misleading as there is genuine support for distancing Ukraine from Russia but the citziens in western ukraine. The CIA helping along these national aspirations of Ukrainians is part of the good america does.

Why does russia deserve to be able to influence and dominate eastern europe? why arent nationals in the former soviet states free to choose to associate with america? why cant russia respect american interests in eastern europe?


If millions of people getting brutally killed and having their lives ruined, and you're standing on the sidelines cheering
1. US policies have not lead to the death of millions of people in the 20th century. I believe the most was during various fire bombing and the 2 nukes used against japan in WW2 which killed about 600,000 civilians in total iirc. The Idea that isis could ever kill that many Russians is ludicrous.

2. i dont care as much about non-Americans as i do Americans, but that doesnt mean i have malice towards non-Americans. This kind of tribalism is common and somewhat natural. I am just more honest about. I am sure you care more about your country than others.

Eg. i cared about the deaths of James Foley, Peter Kassig, and Steven Sotloff, there deaths affected me very much. maybe it was because it was on the news, and i could identify with them more, but I would be lying if I said i knew the names of a single non-american killed by isis off the top of my head. The many kurdish, shia, and yazidi victims of ISIS, i would just be lying if i said affected me as much. Its sad these people are suffering, but I dont know a single one of their names off the top of my head, and i would doubt any of these victims received a personal news segment on cnn.

This doesnt mean i am rooting for them to die. There is space between caring less about non-americans and rooting from them to die.

Please dresta inform me of where you think i have made a factually incorrect claim or bring up a factual about this topic point you think i am ignorant of?

[Patrick Chewing]

^
Exactly, dont bother... the only ones who think they are muslim / are representing islam are those psychos... and rednecks like 9er & Patrick Chewing aswell lol, but its not those guys fault for thinking like that man, leave them be, its not like they are cultured / have read the Koran to understand they are breaking every single damn rule in the book and that they are actually hurting Islam & Muslims (physically & mentally) the most, even Hitler was more muslim than these guys... :P and yes the terrorists know it, thats why they just want to act like they are going to heaven, interpreting everything to suit their evil deeds, its a good feeling...
Especially when high on Cocaine / Type A drugs...

LOL I'm a redneck now?


You and I are the same brother. We both believe in the almighty and we both will have a firm place in heaven. The only difference I have with you is the path in which you choose to get there. Modern-day Islam is a very oppressive religion that preys on the weak-minded and subjugates its women. Yes, the people that perpetrate these evil deeds are demented, sick individuals. But it was Islam that lit the fire for them. You do not see the same type of twisted acts by any other religion in today's day and age. Why is that? Because Christians, Jews, Hindu's and Buddhists are smarter? I don't want to think that, and of course it's not true. It is because their religions do not exude fear the likes that Islam does. Muslims live in a constant state of fear due to their insatiable desire to follow an ancient book and philosophy to the very word, word for word.