What is Philadelphia doing?

[JerrySeinfeld]

It was clear that Okafor wasn't happy about going there. Why would they tank for 3 years straight just to end up with 4 bigmen (1 overseas) to show for it?

When teams like the Thunder or Spurs built through the draft they drafted a different position basically every year and hit on all of those positions. That's what you have to do if you don't want to be picking in the top 5 every year for a decade.

It's becoming clear that nobody wants to play there. They are quickly becoming more and more renowned as a losing franchise.

[FireDavidKahn]

Kahn reincarnate

[oh the horror]

IMO you've spent numerous years in the lottery and don't even have a team developed yet? That's a mega fail.


I understand picking the best talent available but really this is ridiculous to watch unless they plan to showcase them and then try to move one of the pieces for other talent?

[JerrySeinfeld]

IMO you've spent numerous years in the lottery and don't even have a team developed yet? That's a mega fail.


I understand picking the best talent available but really this is ridiculous to watch unless they plan to showcase them and then try to move one of the pieces for other talent?

Yeah at this point it seems that drafting Embiid and Saric with the idea that you can move them as "assets" or whatever, has kinda backfired. Saric looks like he may never come over to the league and I don't know how much they could get for Embiid who in his first 2 years in the league may never even play cause of injury problems.

I do think that Okafor/Noel is a good starting point and both of those guys compliment eachother really well, but they have no other talent at all on that roster and basically have to keep tanking when this is the time where they should start at least getting into the playoffs or coming close, not going like 18-64 again.

[CoastalRyan]

I'm not sure why there so much confusion. Between the 3 players only one has played at the pro level and it wasn't until the second half of the season that he looked to be lottery quality.

There's no good reason to pass on selecting a skilled big as an insurance policy if one of of these guys doesn't produce.

It also gives them the highest perceived trade value...at least going into the next season.

I do agree that this team needs to find an identity but they need to evaluate these guys once their healthy before they can determine the next course of action.

[JerrySeinfeld]

IMO, this whole idea of drafting players just as "assets" (especially in the high lottery) is stupid and is only something that losing franchises do.

When OKC drafted Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, or when the Spurs drafted Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, the plan was always to build around those guys, not just tank and hope that they become valued assets or some stupid shit.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I'm not sure why there so much confusion. Between the 3 players only one has played at the pro level and it wasn't until the second half of the season that he looked to be lottery quality.

There's no good reason to pass on selecting a skilled big as an insurance policy if one of of these guys doesn't produce.

It also gives them the highest perceived trade value...at least going into the next season.

I do agree that this team needs to find an identity but they need to evaluate these guys once their healthy before they can determine the next course of action.

I understand that in that position you have to take Okafor, but tanking for what, 3 straight years, and having that result in 4 bigmen with 1 who it looks like may just stay overseas (when they could of at least had like Elfrid Payton) and then the other may not even play again this year but even when he comes back won't even be able to start now.

IDK man, I just don't see what their plan is. Doesn't seem like they have one, they didn't even have a private workout with Okafor and they had the 3rd pick.

[CoastalRyan]

IMO, this whole idea of drafting players just as "assets" (especially in the high lottery) is stupid and is only something that losing franchises do.

That's nothing more than a byproduct of limited exposure. The days of evaluating lottery talent that has seen 3 or 4 years of college level competition is over. Its become a lot harder to weed out the guys who are going to be able to make it at the next level let alone the ones who will be superstars.

Look at this years number 1 pick. Guy averaged what? 10 and 7. They have to determine what is legitimate and what is a result of his teams style and approach to the game. 1 year of college leaves a lot questions.

[CoastalRyan]

I understand that in that position you have to take Okafor, but tanking for what, 3 straight years, and having that result in 4 bigmen with 1 who it looks like may just stay overseas (when they could of at least had like Elfrid Payton) and then the other may not even play again this year but even when he comes back won't even be able to start now.

IDK man, I just don't see what their plan is. Doesn't seem like they have one, they didn't even have a private workout with Okafor and they had the 3rd pick.
Yeah I don't really disagree with your point. But until one of their picks start looking like a franchise player it makes sense to hold off on committing to an identity. I believe the idea is that eventually they'll find some upper level chemistry or their franchise player.

[oh the horror]

Yeah I don't really disagree with your point. But until one of their picks start looking like a franchise player it makes sense to hold off on committing to an identity. I believe the idea is that eventually they'll find some upper level chemistry or their franchise player.




Yeah but good luck selling that philosophy to fans who are waiting to see something form there in terms of some type of team that is capable of winning more than 20 games every season.



There's a reason Okafor looked sad as hell when they picked him. That franchise has a rep now dude.

[DMAVS41]

Realizing how hit and miss the draft can be and just taking the best players they deem available.

[kshutts1]

Let's say Okafor, Noel, and Embiid all actually play, but don't hit their "bottom" or their "ceiling.

Okafor = Al Jefferson
Noel = Theo Ratliff/Samuel Dalembert
Embiid = taller David West

Unless someone vehemently disagrees with my comparisons, that trio is nasty. And that's with none of them reaching their potential (or admittedly none bottoming out).

All 3 can be on the team. All 3 can play big mins (32 each). Philly has been stockpiling assets to get a legit franchise player... and one just fell in to their laps (okafor) without having to trade up, or trade period.

[FireDavidKahn]

Let's say Okafor, Noel, and Embiid all actually play, but don't hit their "bottom" or their "ceiling.

Okafor = Al Jefferson
Noel = Theo Ratliff/Samuel Dalembert
Embiid = taller David West

Unless someone vehemently disagrees with my comparisons, that trio is nasty. And that's with none of them reaching their potential (or admittedly none bottoming out).

All 3 can be on the team. All 3 can play big mins (32 each). Philly has been stockpiling assets to get a legit franchise player... and one just fell in to their laps (okafor) without having to trade up, or trade period.
Good luck paying the rest of that roster once they all need extensions at virtually the same time.

[kshutts1]

Good luck paying the rest of that roster once they all need extensions at virtually the same time.

Thank you. Staggered by one year each, which is helpful. But otherwise.. it will be a difficult thing to do.

[SpecialQue]

Realizing how hit and miss the draft can be and just taking the best players they deem available.

This. When you draft for position you end up with a Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan.

[FireDavidKahn]

Thank you. Staggered by one year each, which is helpful. But otherwise.. it will be a difficult thing to do.
Yep. Might be a problem with the Wolves as well. Obviously KAT and Wiggins will be locks to get max contracts, but we also have some potential very good role players. Shabazz/Dieng will need to paid and so will Lavine. No idea how good/bad Tyus will be but he is another potential signing.

This is a huge negative of having virtually your entire roster being 1-2 year players. We have a great (potential) core but it's gonna be tricky keeping them all long term.

[longtime lurker]

Trust the process my friends :roll: :roll: :roll:

[eeeeeebro]

ITs easier to get Point guards shooting guards and small forwards in the free agency.. ITS very hard to find a FRONT line that can compete for a championship.

[FireDavidKahn]

ITs easier to get Point guards shooting guards and small forwards in the free agency.. ITS very hard to find a FRONT line that can compete for a championship.
Not really. You need high end talent on the wing. That isn't coming to Philly via FA.

[Dbrog]

As far as Okafor, Noel, and Embiid go, there's no problem there yet. A problem won't exist until we see embiid and okafor play their first seasons. 1) this may never happen for one of them.. and 2) one may prove to be a bench player. In both of these scenarios, Philly made the correct choice on draft night and would be praised as "smart." This is just as likely as any other scenario so we will just have to wait and see.

[RRR3]

Trust the process my friends :roll: :roll: :roll:
http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/8dacb70d8b91cf9a65a731079c3d6b78.jpg

[Le Shaqtus]

They're obviously planning for a starting 5 of all centers.

[RRR3]

They're obviously planning for a starting 5 of all centers.
Dat Spacing :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[iamgine]

Yeah at this point it seems that drafting Embiid and Saric with the idea that you can move them as "assets" or whatever, has kinda backfired. Saric looks like he may never come over to the league and I don't know how much they could get for Embiid who in his first 2 years in the league may never even play cause of injury problems.

I do think that Okafor/Noel is a good starting point and both of those guys compliment eachother really well, but they have no other talent at all on that roster and basically have to keep tanking when this is the time where they should start at least getting into the playoffs or coming close, not going like 18-64 again.

Well, the problem is plain bad luck since Embiid and Saric has yet to show their talent. It's not Philly's fault they're injured/overseas. If we want to compare, then we should compare them taking guards who are also injured/playing overseas. Not getting to the playoff there too.

[wang4three]

Honestly I think the Sixers had no contingency plan thinking that the Lakers were going to take Okafor. I don't think they planned for the Lakers to take Russell and when they did, they were left trying to decide what to do. They couldn't NOT take Okafor.. they probably tried to trade the pick but didn't get any good offers and that was it. Now they have Noel who is nice next to Okafor but Embiid is probably at the lowest value he could be. Wouldn't be surprised if Billy King was offering Plumlee for Embiid after they picked Okafor.

[IncarceratedBob]

they're acquiring assets. they already have multiple A+ quality assets. they could trade embiid and noel for durant and then flip okafor for paul george in a second.

[Fallen Angel]

IMO you've spent numerous years in the lottery and don't even have a team developed yet? That's a mega fail.

It's been only 3 years... The first year they barely missed the playoffs and had an All-Star in Jrue Holiday.

Don't be stupid

[bballnoob1192]

they're acquiring assets. they already have multiple A+ quality assets. they could trade embiid and noel for durant and then flip okafor for paul george in a second.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
the delusion of this post.

[Fallen Angel]

Kahn reincarnate
Kahn is retarded

Hinkie is making the best of the few assets he had when he started this rebuild and is doing a really good job at it.


He's ended up with two potential franchise players.

A future All-Defensive PF

and a really good oversees player with high hops


He's not that far from making a James Harden type trade that the Rockets were able to pull off.

[HighFlyer23]

Setting up some moves

[GOBB]

http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/8dacb70d8b91cf9a65a731079c3d6b78.jpg

Aldemir is not a Center. He played it because Sixers wanted to try Noel at PF later in the season over I think a dozen games or less.

Sims is a restricted free agent this offseason and the Sixers could choose to offer him a qualifying offer of $1,181,348 million, or let him walk.

Hermangomez was traded to the NYK for nothing.

Gudaitis is a stash euro, who knows when he will come over if ever from what I've read.


So basically Okafor, Embiid, Noel (who was going to be playing PF in the future).

[Milbuck]

Aldemir is not a Center. He played it because Sixers wanted to try Noel at PF later in the season over I think a dozen games or less.

Sims is a restricted free agent this offseason and the Sixers could choose to offer him a qualifying offer of $1,181,348 million, or let him walk.

Hermangomez was traded to the NYK for nothing.

Gudaitis is a stash euro, who knows when he will come over if ever from what I've read.


So basically Okafor, Embiid, Noel (who was going to be playing PF in the future).
:roll:

[MavsSuperFan]

Honestly Sam Hinkie is a genius. He has convinced the sixers ownership that losing is progress. He has set expectations so low that he can walk over the bar. He makes the salary of an nba gm while not being held responsible for constant losing.

His trust the process propaganda is brilliant. Every time i **** up i should just tell people to trust the process.

[RRR3]

:roll:
Well obviously he's gonna have to play shooting guard on the Sixers!



Bro you still me a little bit of time on that avatar doe

[longtime lurker]

Honestly Sam Hinkie is a genius. He has convinced the sixers ownership that losing is progress. He has set expectations so low that he can walk over the bar. He makes the salary of an nba gm while not being held responsible for constant losing.

His trust the process propaganda is brilliant. Every time i **** up i should just tell people to trust the process.

Exactly. Heinke is running a draft pick ponzi scheme. He'll just keep trading the players he drafts for additional draft picks and tell everyone to "trust the process" while not actually adding any value whatsoever. Fans are essentially paying top dollar to watch a dleague team out there and he gets paid millions of dollars.

Trust the Process :rockon:

[MavsSuperFan]

Honestly I think the Sixers had no contingency plan thinking that the Lakers were going to take Okafor. I don't think they planned for the Lakers to take Russell and when they did...

This is probably what happened. lack of preparation

[GOBB]

Honestly Sam Hinkie is a genius. He has convinced the sixers ownership that losing is progress. He has set expectations so low that he can walk over the bar. He makes the salary of an nba gm while not being held responsible for constant losing.

His trust the process propaganda is brilliant. Every time i **** up i should just tell people to trust the process.

Hinkie told the owner and fans his process. 5 year plan, not for the impatient. Guys like you struggle to grasp his concept because you are so used to the typical draft need, spend all your cap room method. Its no different then throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks. I just dont get why fans like yourself expect to see the Sixers competing for the ECF overnight.

"Hey you guys dont spend the money ha ha ha trust process"

Sixers go out and blow the money

"Hey you guys overpaid ha ha ha stupid."

You guys have all the answers but like Kanye said you really don't.

[MavsSuperFan]

Exactly. Heinke is running a draft pick ponzi scheme. He'll just keep trading the players he drafts for additional draft picks and tell everyone to "trust the process" while not actually adding any value whatsoever. Fans are essentially paying top dollar to watch a dleague team out there and he gets paid millions of dollars.

Trust the Process :rockon:
Also his brilliant idea of trading for future draft picks allows him to argue he needs to stay on as gm to make those future picks.

"you cant fire me, I am just a few drafts away"

[GOBB]

This is probably what happened. lack of preparation

Or Hinkie had Okafor high on his draft board and like most of America thought no way Lakers pass on a big for a guard. And what happened? They did and they took BPA which Okafor was. Quote from Jerry West...


"Mitch won't pass up on a franchise center. If you look at his history, he's always looked to acquire a center whether its the draft, trades or free agency. If Okafor is there, there is no doubt that will be Lakers pick in my mind. Gives them an instant presence down low for Kobe's last run, Coach K and Kobe talk a lot & I fully expect those conversations to be a lot about Okafor joining him in LA"

Hinkie on drafting Okafor


"If you told me we'd get Okafor during the season? I'd have slept a lot more"

Lack of preparation tho fellas

[BlakFrankWhite]

They have so much cap space.

They will definitely get a PG....maybe Reggie Jackson

[Milbuck]

GOBB melting down :roll:
Well obviously he's gonna have to play shooting guard on the Sixers!



Bro you still me a little bit of time on that avatar doe
Idk where it is lol. Post the avy and I'll use it for 2 weeks.

[RRR3]

I say Hinkie should try and trade Okafor to Kings (WCS covers up his bad defense right?) for Cousins and then Cousins to lakers for Russell

[Rocketswin2013]

IMO you've spent numerous years in the lottery and don't even have a team developed yet? That's a mega fail.


I understand picking the best talent available but really this is ridiculous to watch unless they plan to showcase them and then try to move one of the pieces for other talent?
You would think it should be easy trading one of the centers for good value, but I remember when Morey was shopping Asik, teams low-balled him because they knew how sub-optimal having him and Dwight on the same roster was.


Morey obviously refuses to lose a trade, so he didn't pull the trigger. Obviously, more is to be gained for potential trade partner with Philly, so the chances are, it's less likely to happen, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[RRR3]

GOBB melting down :roll:
Idk where it is lol. Post the avy and I'll use it for 2 weeks.
I want a month :coleman:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374292




Are you pissed you guys didn't select Dekker?

[gyu]

Okafor is insurance for if Embiid doesn't pan out.

[GOBB]

I say Hinkie should try and trade Okafor to Kings (WCS covers up his bad defense right?) for Cousins and then Cousins to lakers for Russell

You play 2k15 too much.

[RRR3]

You play 2k15 too much.
You don't think it's worth a shot?

[SwishSquared]

You don't think it's worth a shot?So you'd trade for Cousins and not keep him? What do you even package with Okafor? Hinkie's been trying to land a superstar. Unless you make LAL take all protections off their 2016 first and get their young guys, is it worth getting rid of Cousins after hypothetically landing him? Because if you luckily land him, Noel + Cousins could theoretically play together on both ends imo. Also, keeping Cousins out of LA makes it more likely for the Lakers to be awful once more.

It's a nice offer in theory, but I don't think they do that trade.

[Lebron23]

Drafting Okafor is a good move. Noel is a natural Center while Okafor is more of a a traditional Power Forward.

Embiid is the next Greg Oden, but unlike Oden he played in his rookie season. And showed some glimpse of his potential.

[HomieWeMajor]

Philly need to stop playing around before they make GOBB get into a playground fight and get sent to live with his aunt in Bel Air.

[Dr.J4ever]

Lots of stupidity in this thread.

Let's take a look at the bottom line.

Even without Embiid, who is a big question mark right now(see Sam Hinkie's Presser), the 76ers MAY have built a championship front court of Noel and Okafor. The potential is certainly there, and at this point, potential and hope is all you are looking for. We have possibly 4 1st round picks next season, a boat load of cap space, and Saric will come. He has said so in repeated interviews.

BTW, this is Hinkie's 3rd draft and we are approaching only Hinkie's 3rd season with the 76ers. If Okafor becomes a beast in the paint, like he is predicted to be by most, and Noel continues to be a defensive savant, don't you think star perimeter players will want to play with them right when the 76ers will have the money to spend? The answer is a logical yes, of course.

We continue to be on the right track, and if Embiid gets healthy, watch out, because then it could be really scary. The return of the big man in the NBA.

[JerrySeinfeld]

This. When you draft for position you end up with a Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan.


Not saying that you draft for position, just saying that good scouting teams don't end up stacking the same position every year, nor do they view the draft as purely a numbers game. Instead, they trust their scouts, and philosophies.

Seemed to work well for SA and OKC.

[veilside23]

on the other hand .... the best player they once had

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/iggytrophy.jpg

[PJR]

The Sixers are a complete disaster. No type of direction whatsoever. That Hinkie dope is going shuffle and reshuffle through lottery picks, and try to front like it's all part of the plan.

They have already punted on two picks in MCW and Embid. And another may never even come over from overseas. Disaster :oldlol:

[Nash]

isn't saric also a front court player? ffs

[coin24]

They obviously have no plan. What a joke. All they're doing is building a losing culture and failing to develop there players.
No vets (why would anyone sign there) to teach the young guys anything, just rookies surrounded by dleaguers steaming pile of shit.

Maybe they can have a whole team of centers soon.:lol


If they blatantly tank again they should be disqualified from any revenue sharing for putting out such a piss poor product.

[GOBB]

Lakers have a plan tho. :roll:

[coin24]

Lakers have a plan tho. :roll:

Trust the process:lol

Lakers just landed the #2 pick the next magic, and are about to destroy the leagues anuses from July 1, snapping up the best free agents.

Sixers won't make the playoffs in the pathetic East for the next 5 years minimum. Keep drafting players and trading them for picks :lol you're a blinder fool than that idiot jameer and his inept magic

[Ne 1]

They drafted the best player available when it came their time to select. I don't see what the issue is. Noel is obviously the best player of that weak draft class, he's below average offensively but he's a defensive stud who can run the floor. They actually wanted Wiggins, and Embidd is the best center prospect in a decade, he has Hakeem-like potential if he can stay healthy. He was a lock to be the #1 pick by the Cavs until the foot issues, but Wiggins went #1, so what should they have done? Not roll the dice and take a chance on Embidd? They wanted Russell as well, but the Lakers took him. What were the Sixers supposed to do after that, let the Knicks in their division have Okafor and take someone less talented? At least if Embidd can't stay healthy, they have insurance now with Okafor.

[sixerfan82]

on the other hand .... the best player they once had

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/iggytrophy.jpg

So, I guess charles barkley and allen iverson don't ring a bell, eh?

[GOBB]

Trust the process:lol

Lakers just landed the #2 pick the next magic, and are about to destroy the leagues anuses from July 1, snapping up the best free agents.

Sixers won't make the playoffs in the pathetic East for the next 5 years minimum. Keep drafting players and trading them for picks :lol you're a blinder fool than that idiot jameer and his inept magic

Russell = next Magic and you call be a blind fool? :roll:

[eliteballer]

:biggums:

[soots]

I have no problems whatsoever with who they drafted at the time.

Embiid, Simmons etc. They were all obvious choices.

Now performance is another issue.

[nashwade]

Embiid - doesn't care if they win or lose
Simmons - I only want to get my points in the paint. NO JUMPERS!

[And1AllDay]

Trust the process:lol

Lakers just landed the #2 pick the next magic, and are about to destroy the leagues anuses from July 1, snapping up the best free agents.

Sixers won't make the playoffs in the pathetic East for the next 5 years minimum. Keep drafting players and trading them for picks :lol you're a blinder fool than that idiot jameer and his inept magic

Cashew :facepalm

[coin24]

Cashew :facepalm


Obvious trolling:lol

[eliteballer]

:biggums: