Just Like Football, Basketball is Changing Drastically

[Bless Mathews]

Past 5-10 years, the NFL has gone from running the ball to throwing the ball.

Running backs' value have decreased DRASTICALLY.

all about passing now. Teams using two running backs, some three.

The center/ big man in nba is the same.

Teams use to dump into big man all the time. Especially if all star level.

Now, big men are mid range, pick and roll mostly.

Bigs are more versatile and play more and more like wings.

Traditional bigs are dying.





Teams that recognize this and build teams accordingly will win


Book it.

[BigNBAfan]

**** up librarytard

[UK2K]

The WCF final four was Gasol, Dwight, and Deandre. Which of those plays like a wing?

Just because we saw a small ball lineup work one time, only because neither team has a reliable big man, doesn't mean it's a recipe for continued success.

[outbreak]

The WCF final four was Gasol, Dwight, and Deandre. Which of those plays like a wing?

Just because we saw a small ball lineup work one time, only because neither team has a reliable big man, doesn't mean it's a recipe for continued success.
This. If either team had a dominant big we would have seen different line ups. We just see less these days because a lot of young bigs focus too much in being the next durant instead of the next olajuwon

[GimmeThat]

Past 5-10 years, the NFL has gone from running the ball to throwing the ball.

Running backs' value have decreased DRASTICALLY.

all about passing now. Teams using two running backs, some three.

The center/ big man in nba is the same.

Teams use to dump into big man all the time. Especially if all star level.

Now, big men are mid range, pick and roll mostly.

Bigs are more versatile and play more and more like wings.

Traditional bigs are dying.





Teams that recognize this and build teams accordingly will win


Book it.

can't say blueprints aren't rare to come along
but then, can't say having light shine through a piece of paper that can't be changed. IS and combats, materialism

[SyRyanYang]

The WCF final four was Gasol, Dwight, and Deandre. Which of those plays like a wing?

Just because we saw a small ball lineup work one time, only because neither team has a reliable big man, doesn't mean it's a recipe for continued success.

2010-2014 Miami Heat wasn't even that long ago. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Bless Mathews]

can't say blueprints aren't rare to come along
but then, can't say having light shine through a piece of paper that can't be changed. IS and combats, materialism


What?

[Bless Mathews]

This. If either team had a dominant big we would have seen different line ups. We just see less these days because a lot of young bigs focus too much in being the next durant instead of the next olajuwon


If.

If I was white I wouldn't get managers doing "normal checks for my security" when I go to the bank.

:facepalm

The game is changing. The days of dumping it down low 30 times a game are long gone. Defensive rules have changed.

The game is geared toward guard/wing play.

We won't see a champion for a long time that throws it to a big on the block 20-30 times a game like was once the norm for a LONG time.

Book it.

[Bless Mathews]

The WCF final four was Gasol, Dwight, and Deandre. Which of those plays like a wing?

Just because we saw a small ball lineup work one time, only because neither team has a reliable big man, doesn't mean it's a recipe for continued success.

Gasol gets SOME looks on the block.

Howard a few. Houstons offense built around harden. And harden and Dwight PICK AND ROLLS.

Jordan none. CLippers offense built around Blake and cp3. Mostly Blake and cp3 pick and rolls

Name one team that dumps the ball on the block even remotely close to the number of times like the rocket olajawoun days?

Even if that team has a good big

Next.

[bdreason]

Warriors played small ball for a few games in the playoffs. The rest of the year we started 7' Bogut, and although Draygod is only 6'7", both Barnes and Thompson are strong, rangey defenders. Then we had Ezili, Speights, and Lee, all 6'9"+ guys off the bench. The Warriors small ball lineups may have a short Center, but the rest of the players are above average size for their position. Especially when we have 6'7" Livingston at point.

What you're really seeing with teams is the 4-out 1-in philosophy, where at least 4/5 of the players on the court can shoot the 3 ball. That creates all kinds of space on the court, especially when you run P&R/P's at the top of the key. The Warriors do it better than most because Curry is such a deadly shooter, defenders have to constantly go over the top of the screen (or trap), leaving the defense about as exposed as you can get.

[Bless Mathews]

Warriors played small ball for a few games in the playoffs. The rest of the year we started 7' Bogut, and although Draygod is only 6'7", both Barnes and Thompson are strong, rangey defenders. Then we had Ezili, Speights, and Lee, all 6'9"+ guys off the bench. The Warriors small ball lineups may have a short Center, but the rest of the players are above average size for their position. Especially when we have 6'7" Livingston at point.

What you're really seeing with teams is the 4-out 1-in philosophy, where at least 4/5 of the players on the court can shoot the 3 ball. That creates all kinds of space on the court, especially when you run P&R/P's at the top of the key. The Warriors do it better than most because Curry is such a deadly shooter, defenders have to constantly go over the top of the screen (or trap), leaving the defense about as exposed as you can get.

When starting bogut,or anyone else mentioned off the bench, did the Warriors ever dump in on the block to them consistently?

Was it the first option to Dump it down low?

No. Not even 2nd or 3rd option.

That's my main point. Offenses used to go through the bigs on the block as first or second option. Consistently.

Now it's mostly all perimeter play and using bigs on pick and rolls.

[bdreason]

When starting bogut,or anyone else mentioned off the bench, did the Warriors ever dump in on the block to them consistently?

Was it the first option to Dump it down low?

No. Not even 2nd or 3rd option.

That's my main point. Offenses used to go through the bigs on the block.

Now it's mostly all perimeter play and using bigs on pick and rolls.




Cavs posted the entire series against us. Grizzlies posted the entire series against us. Griffin posted pretty much the entire playoffs, even racking up trip-dubs because of it. Blazers entire offense pretty much runs through posting Alrdridge on the high/low box.

Warriors don't post because we benched our only reliable post scorer, and we'd rather have the Splash Bros raining 3's than Bogut trying to post up. We actually do post a little with our guards, mostly Klay and Livingston.

[Bless Mathews]

Cavs posted the entire series against us. Grizzlies posted the entire series against us. Griffin posted pretty much the entire playoffs, even racking up trip-dubs because of it. Blazers entire offense pretty much runs through posting Alrdridge on the high/low box.

Warriors don't post because we benched our only reliable post scorer, and we'd rather have the Splash Bros raining 3's than Bogut trying to post up. We actually do post a little with our guards, mostly Klay and Livingston.


Bron don't count.

And only reason yall got poasted up because yall small.

Aldridge doesn't poast on the block. He's 15 feet away poasting up and is known for his mid range jumper.

Of course there is a few exceptions, but nothing like 80's 90's and 00's.

Just like football.

[Sarcastic]

In football, the RB became less valuable because they changed so many rules to favor passing. In basketball, the post up center has become less valuable because there are so many shitty centers. If a great center comes along that can post up, I am sure he will be every bit as valuable centers ever were.

[1987_Lakers]

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[Bless Mathews]

In football, the RB became less valuable because they changed so many rules to favor passing. In basketball, the post up center has become less valuable because there are so many shitty centers. If a great center comes along that can post up, I am sure he will be every bit as valuable centers ever were.

Rule changes hasn't helped perimeter play in basketball?

Whoa.


:facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

Warriors played small ball for a few games in the playoffs. The rest of the year we started 7' Bogut, and although Draygod is only 6'7", both Barnes and Thompson are strong, rangey defenders. Then we had Ezili, Speights, and Lee, all 6'9"+ guys off the bench. The Warriors small ball lineups may have a short Center, but the rest of the players are above average size for their position. Especially when we have 6'7" Livingston at point.

What you're really seeing with teams is the 4-out 1-in philosophy, where at least 4/5 of the players on the court can shoot the 3 ball. That creates all kinds of space on the court, especially when you run P&R/P's at the top of the key. The Warriors do it better than most because Curry is such a deadly shooter, defenders have to constantly go over the top of the screen (or trap), leaving the defense about as exposed as you can get.

Pretty much this. The Bad Boy Pistons and Jordan's Bulls all won without having a big man who was a post threat, the difference is those teams had power forwards who were bangers, played inside and didn't shoot from outside.

In he last few years it seems more teams have a stretch 4 out on the court.

[UK2K]

Gasol gets SOME looks on the block.

Howard a few. Houstons offense built around harden. And harden and Dwight PICK AND ROLLS.

Jordan none. CLippers offense built around Blake and cp3. Mostly Blake and cp3 pick and rolls

Name one team that dumps the ball on the block even remotely close to the number of times like the rocket olajawoun days?

Even if that team has a good big

Next.

The Spurs started two seven footers when they won.

Then Lebron is an anomaly.

Before him was a Dirk led team.

Before that was back to back Laker titles, again, starting two seven footers.

In fact since the D Wade heat won in 06, only Lebrons teams didn't start a 18ppg low post player, and that's cause Lebron is a freak of nature.

[smoovegittar]

Past 5-10 years, the NFL has gone from running the ball to throwing the ball.

Running backs' value have decreased DRASTICALLY.

all about passing now. Teams using two running backs, some three.

The center/ big man in nba is the same.

Teams use to dump into big man all the time. Especially if all star level.

Now, big men are mid range, pick and roll mostly.

Bigs are more versatile and play more and more like wings.

Traditional bigs are dying.





Teams that recognize this and build teams accordingly will win


Book it.

Totally on board with this. Being an older man, NY's pick rankled me. But when I started to really think about it, it's pretty clear. The game is becoming more athletic, dynamic and global. It's all unfolding...

[keep-itreal]

it's because there are no traditional bigs in the NBA anymore...

[Bless Mathews]

Totally on board with this. Being an older man, NY's pick rankled me. But when I started to really think about it, it's pretty clear. The game is becoming more athletic, dynamic and global. It's all unfolding...

Word

I forgot most poasters in here are 25 years old tops.

Think #8 Kobe is "old school"

Most offenses were geared toward getting the ball on the block.

Now pick and rolls and perimeter play is the norm.