Best player on each championship team 1957-2015

[SouBeachTalents]

1950's
1957: Russell
1958: Pettit
1959: Russell

1960's
1960: Russell
1961: Russell
1962: Russell
1963: Russell
1964: Russell
1965: Russell
1966: Russell
1967: Wilt
1968: Havlicek
1969: Havlicek

1970's
1970: Reed
1971: Kareem
1972: Wilt
1973: Frazier
1974: Havlicek
1975: Barry
1976: Cowens
1977: Walton
1978: Hayes
1979: Gus Williams

1980's
1980: Kareem
1981: Bird
1982: Magic
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Magic
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Magic
1989: Dumars

1990's
1990: Isiah
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Jordan
1994: Hakeem
1995: Hakeem
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Duncan

2000's
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Big Ben
2005: Duncan
2006: Wade
2007: Duncan
2008: KG
2009: Kobe

2010's
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Duncan
2015: Curry

Players with multiple appearances
Russell: 9
Jordan: 6
Duncan: 5
Magic: 4
Bird: 3
Shaq: 3
Havlicek: 3
Kareem: 2
Wilt: 2
Hakeem: 2
LeBron: 2
Kobe: 2

Which ones would you guys change?

[HOoopCityJones]

1950's
1957: Russell
1958: Pettit
1959: Russell

1960's
1960: Russell
1961: Russell
1962: Russell
1963: Russell
1964: Russell
1965: Russell
1966: Russell
1967: Wilt
1968: Havlicek
1969: Havlicek

1970's
1970: Reed
1971: Kareem
1972: Wilt
1973: Frazier
1974: Havlicek
1975: Barry
1976: Cowens
1977: Walton
1978: Hayes
1979: Gus Williams

1980's
1980: Kareem
1981: Bird
1982: Magic
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Magic
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Magic
1989: Dumars

1990's
1990: Isiah
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Jordan
1994: Hakeem
1995: Hakeem
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Duncan

2000's
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Big Ben
2005: Duncan
2006: Wade
2007: Duncan
2008: KG
2009: Kobe

2010's
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Duncan
2015: Curry

Players with multiple appearances
Russell: 9
Jordan: 6
Duncan: 5
Magic: 4
Bird: 3
Shaq: 3
Havlicek: 3
Kareem: 2
Wilt: 2
Hakeem: 2
LeBron: 2
Kobe: 2

Which ones would you guys change?


07, 14 and maybe even 05 (yes it's arguable) are certainly not Duncan. :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

1973, 1982 (cmon now), 2014 is close

[dubeta]

2000's
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Big Ben
2005: Duncan
2006: Wade
2007: Duncan
2008: KG
2009: Kobe

2010's
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Duncan
2015: Curry

Players with multiple appearances
Russell: 9
Jordan: 6
Duncan: 5
Magic: 4
Bird: 3
Shaq: 3
Havlicek: 3
Kareem: 2
Wilt: 2
Hakeem: 2
LeBron: 2
Kobe: 2

Which ones would you guys change?


Gasol was the best player in 2010, had the higher playoff PER, finals PER, more winshares, and had the better Finals Game 7

Win Shares
1. Pau Gasol ▪ LAL 4.3
2. Kobe Bryant ▪ LAL 3.6
3. Rajon Rondo ▪ BOS 2.7
4. Paul Pierce ▪ BOS 2.5
5. Ray Allen ▪ BOS 2.4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html


Kawhi was also better than Duncan in 2014 (especially Finals)


I was going to say Tony Parker was better in 2007 as well, but felt bad for exposing Duncan

[Spurs5Rings2014]

07, 14 and maybe even 05 (yes it's arguable) are certainly not Duncan. :facepalm

Maybe if you don't value defensive impact, but why wouldn't you do that?

[Legends66NBA7]

82 Kareem and 89 Isiah ? Those are probably the ones I would change. Reed for 73 as well ?

14 Spurs is probably the most debatable, but I go with Duncan there too. I know some will say Billups for 04, but I agree with Big Ben there.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Kawhi was also better than Duncan in 2014 (especially Finals)


I was going to say Tony Parker was better in 2007 as well, but felt bad for exposing Duncan

Kawhi didn't play well the first 2 games in '14 and Duncan was the better player based on advanced stats.

Parker just had slightly higher PPG in '07, but was worse everywhere else.

:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

Maybe if you don't value defensive impact, but why wouldn't you do that?

Forget 05 because it was still Duncan's Team at the end of the day, but you seriously trying to argue 07 and 14? :biggums:

You Spurs fans are funny sometimes, Tim is probably the only guy where doing one thing tilts the entire scale in his favor. So just because he anchored a Defense ( which many bigs in Today's league do, arguably their main assignment) Duncan should be considered the best player because of that fact? The man hasn't had to carry the offense since 05 and Manu was arguably the better player in the post season.

Tony Parker has been the best Spurs player since 07, and you foos don't deserve him for how much you all down play his impact, as a Laker fan though I understand the attitude, some short sighted idiots did the same to Gasol when he probably should've been our main option after the cp3 trade was nixed just to get back in his good graces.

[ArbitraryWater]

2010 Gasol, obviously a great argument.. never seen a player lead their team in so many categories both regular season, playoffs, AND lead the team in Finals win-shares (among '05 Ginobili the only 2 to ever do this and not become FMVP), and get so rarely mentioned.

[dubeta]

Forget 05 because it was still Duncan's Team at the end of the day, but you seriously trying to argue 07 and 14? :biggums:

You Spurs fans are funny sometimes, Tim is probably the only guy where doing one thing tilts the entire scale in his favor. So just because he anchored a Defense ( which many bigs in Today's league do, arguably their main assignment) Duncan should be considered the best player because of that fact? The man hasn't had to carry the offense since 05 and Manu was arguably the better player in the post season.

Tony Parker has been the best Spurs player since 07, and you foos don't deserve him for how much you all down play his impact, as a Laker fan though I understand the attitude, some short sighted idiots did the same to Gasol when he probably should've been our main option after the cp3 trade was nixed just to get back in his good graces.


Neither Duncan or Kobe have been the best player in a championship team since 2009 :facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

Neither Duncan or Kobe have been the best player in a championship team since 2009 :facepalm

Duncan wasn't on a championship Team in 2009. :facepalm

[Ne 1]

Kareem for '82 and probably '85 too

[HOoopCityJones]

2010 Gasol, obviously a great argument.. never seen a player lead their team in so many categories both regular season, playoffs, AND lead the team in Finals win-shares (among '05 Ginobili the only 2 to ever do this and not become FMVP), and get so rarely mentioned.

:roll:

Gasol outplayed Kobe in one game that entire post season bro , a game 7 at home that you haters clutch on to with dear life. Gasol choked in every game we had in Boston, there's no way he was getting the FMVP over Kobe who played outta his mind up until the first 3 quarters of game 7. Still ended with a double-double.

What am I saying though, you're the least knowledgeable person about this sport on the forum.

[dubeta]

:roll:

Gasol outplayed Kobe in one game that entire post season bro , a game 7 at home that you haters clutch on to with dear life. Gasol choked in every game we had in Boston, there's no way he was getting the FMVP over Kobe who played outta his mind up until the first 3 quarters of game 7. Still ended with a double-double.

What am I saying though, you're the least knowledgeable person about this sport on the forum.

Then how come Gasol had a much greater PER and Win Share advantage than Kobe throughout the playoffs, if he only outplayed Kobe in '1 game'?

The sudden realization that Kobe has never been the best player on a championship team is something you Kobestans can never come around to admitting. :rolleyes:

[Ne 1]

2010 Gasol, obviously a great argument.. never seen a player lead their team in so many categories both regular season, playoffs, AND lead the team in Finals win-shares (among '05 Ginobili the only 2 to ever do this and not become FMVP), and get so rarely mentioned.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/22/221112611d85283bd09e206862ba2586ee18a2097a78768241 502bd2237fa10a.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

Then how come Gasol had a much greater PER and Win Share advantage than Kobe throughout the playoffs, if he only outplayed Kobe in '1 game'?

The sudden realization that Kobe has never been the best player on a championship team is something you Kobestans can never come around to admitting. :rolleyes:

JR Smith had a higher PER than LBJ in the East Playoffs leading up to the Finals. Guess your boy wasn't their best player and once he took the ball outta those guys hands, they lost in the Finals. You're right, PER and win shares tell us so much. :cheers:

[dubeta]

JR Smith had a higher PER than LBJ in the East Playoffs leading up to the Finals. Guess your boy wasn't their best player and once he took the ball outta those guys hands, they lost in the Finals. You're right, PER and win shares tell us so much. :cheers:

So not including the Finals? Classic, coming from a Kobe stan :oldlol:

[Suguru101]

Forget 05 because it was still Duncan's Team at the end of the day, but you seriously trying to argue 07 and 14? :biggums:

You Spurs fans are funny sometimes, Tim is probably the only guy where doing one thing tilts the entire scale in his favor. So just because he anchored a Defense ( which many bigs in Today's league do, arguably their main assignment) Duncan should be considered the best player because of that fact? The man hasn't had to carry the offense since 05 and Manu was arguably the better player in the post season.

Tony Parker has been the best Spurs player since 07, and you foos don't deserve him for how much you all down play his impact, as a Laker fan though I understand the attitude, some short sighted idiots did the same to Gasol when he probably should've been our main option after the cp3 trade was nixed just to get back in his good graces.

My dude, Duncan had only about 3-4 ppg less, but anchored the defense of a SA team that was top 3 in the league on that side of the ball.

If you think 4 ppg is more valuable than being a 1st All-Defense caliber big man, you need to watch those games again.

Duncan was better than Parker in both 07 and in 14. And no, it is not "arguable" that Manu was better than Duncan in 05.

Jesus ****ing Christ what kind of people I'm i trying to argue basketball with in here? Manu better than Duncan in 05? 05? Prime, Top 10 player of all time, Tim Duncan?

:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Pau led the team in RAPM, WS, postseason RAPM, postseason WS, Finals RAPM, Finals WS. Lets act like it wasn't close though.. this is where people who can't get Kobe's dick out of their mouth get exposed.

Pau led the Lakers in RPG, BPG, WS, WS/48, OWS, DWS, FG%, TS%, Ortg, Drtg, and only trailed Kobe in PER by 0.7

As far as the Finals claims (did a whole playoff breakdown though):

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/8/3/ on 70% + 6 Blocks
Kobe: 21/5/6 on 40% + 4 Steals (5 TO's+5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 13/10/4 on 46%
Kobe: 29/7/4 on 34% + 3 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46%
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe

Turnovers:
Kobe: 28
Gasol: 13

[Ne 1]

:roll:

Gasol outplayed Kobe in one game that entire post season bro , a game 7 at home that you haters clutch on to with dear life. Gasol choked in every game we had in Boston, there's no way he was getting the FMVP over Kobe who played outta his mind up until the first 3 quarters of game 7. Still ended with a double-double.

What am I saying though, you're the least knowledgeable person about this sport on the forum.

Shaq and Kobe were actually closer than Kobe and Gasol in terms of level of play in 2001 and 2002. Shaq was regarded as the best in the league, but Kobe was top 2-3, and was even being called the best player in the world during the '01 playoffs, and truthfully, aside from Shaq, I can't think of anyone who was better in the '02 playoffs either.

Gasol did play better than Kobe late in the regular season, plus the OKC series. But what about the first couple of months of the regular season when Kobe was putting up 30/6/5, 48 FG%, punishing guys in the post and just looking dominant posting up while hitting all of those gamewinners? Particularly when Gasol was out, he carried them.

He had some injuries from January to April and admittedly, wasn't playing well and forcing too many shots, imo. though that's how Kobe plays, he tried to shoot his way out of slumps and his body was failing him at the time. But given the level he was at in the playoffs and first 2 months, I have to give him a ton of credit for that season.

Early in the '09-'10 season, he was playing some of the best basketball of his career and after he got his knee drained, he slaughtered Phoenix and Utah. His Phoenix series in particular is one of the best in recent years.

I like Gasol, I acknowledge his impact, but I can name 10 players arguably better than him in 2010, with Kobe, he's top 2-3 in 2001 and 2002.

Kobe was also top 1-3 in '09 and '10 top 1-2 while Gasol was borderline top 10, and Kobe was the best player in the 2010 playoffs.

[ArbitraryWater]

HoopTownJonas furiously typing away

Goddamn Im such a fact machine

[HOoopCityJones]

Goddamn Im such a fa9 machine


Can't argue with you there. You are certainly a fa9 machine. :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Can't argue with you there. You are certainly a fa9 machine. :applause:

that was smart AF

[SHAQisGOAT]

1950's
1957: Cousy
1958: Pettit
1959: Russell

1960's
1960: Russell
1961: Russell
1962: Russell
1963: Russell
1964: Russell
1965: Russell
1966: Russell
1967: Wilt
1968: Havlicek
1969: Havlicek

1970's
1970: Reed
1971: Kareem
1972: Wilt
1973: Frazier
1974: Cowens or Hondo got a great case
1975: Barry
1976: Cowens
1977: Walton
1978: Hayes
1979: Gus probably the best choice but no clear-cut one

1980's
1980: Kareem
1981: Bird
1982: Kareem/Magic, can't pick just one, if anything I'd probably say Jabbar
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: same as '82
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Magic
1989: Isiah

1990's
1990: Isiah
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Jordan
1994: Hakeem
1995: Hakeem
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Duncan

2000's
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: I'd probably go with Big Ben too but no clear-cut one
2005: Duncan
2006: Wade
2007: Duncan
2008: Probably KG but Pierce also got a case
2009: Kobe

2010's
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: no clear-cut one imo
2015: Curry

Which ones would you guys change?

I would make those changes to your list... But pretty good all-in-all.

[HOoopCityJones]

My dude, Duncan had only about 3-4 ppg less, but anchored the defense of a SA team that was top 3 in the league on that side of the ball.

If you think 4 ppg is more valuable than being a 1st All-Defense caliber big man, you need to watch those games again.

Duncan was better than Parker in both 07 and in 14. And no, it is not "arguable" that Manu was better than Duncan in 05.

Jesus ****ing Christ what kind of people I'm i trying to argue basketball with in here? Manu better than Duncan in 05? 05? Prime, Top 10 player of all time, Tim Duncan?

:biggums:

Yet they couldn't do make any type of noise this season without Parker and Kawhi. :coleman:

Duncan's still the leader of this Team but he's far from the best player. Even if LMA come you delusional fuccs will try to act like Duncan is better. :facepalm

It's like if we got Durant, no one in their right mind would try to argue Kobe was better just because he's a key contributor and vet leader of the Team.

[Ne 1]

Pau led the team in RAPM, WS, postseason RAPM, postseason WS, Finals RAPM, Finals WS. Lets act like it wasn't close though..

I'm not sure why anyone uses win shares, or defensive win shares which is even worse. Like all of these formula stats that try to combine all numbers into one, it's useless. Incredibly subjective values given to each area. Win shares may be the worst of them. A good rule of thumb to go by when using stats, if it takes more than a few seconds to explain the stat, it's most likely fairly useless.

I'm not entirely sure what RAPM is so I can't accurately comment on that, but the impression I'm getting is that it uses common lineups and opponents to judge a player's on/off effect as opposed to standard +/-, which doesn't factor those things in, and the goal is to eliminate the flaws presented by not factoring that in, and make numbers less dependent on your opponents and teammates, and more reflective of that individuals value? If so, I can see that value, but before I start using it or embracing it, I'll have to look into the data and adjustments that go into it.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Yet they couldn't do make any type of noise this season without Parker and Kawhi. :coleman:

What? How did Parker and Leonard do in the play offs this season? That's right, they played extremely poorly and were the reason we lost in the first round while Duncan who 'couldn't make any type of noise this season' put up 27/11 on 68% in a Game 7 at 39 years of age.

:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

What? How did Parker and Leonard do in the play offs this season? That's right, they played extremely poorly and were the reason we lost in the first round while Duncan who 'couldn't make any type of noise this season' put up 27/11 on 68% in a Game 7 at 39 years of age.

:facepalm

Because they're your best players and The Clippers did everything they could to shut em down. What aren't you getting ? Parker and Kawhi's success leads to yours. It's proven.

[Ne 1]

Gasol did play better than Kobe late in the regular season, plus the OKC series. But what about the first couple of months of the regular season when Kobe was putting up 30/6/5, 48 FG%, punishing guys in the post and just looking dominant posting up while hitting all of those gamewinners? Particularly when Gasol was out, he carried them.


Oh, and after Kobe got his knee drained prior to game 6 vs OKC, he was back to his elite level averaging 31.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 5.7 apg on 47.4 FG%, 52.2 eFG% and 58.5 TS% over his final 18 playoff games to win the title. :pimp:

[Rocketswin2013]

:lol @ Gasol choking in the finals.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Because they're your best players and The Clippers did everything they could to shut em down. What aren't you getting ? Parker and Kawhi's success leads to yours. It's proven.

What are you talking about? Doing everything they can to shut them down would be doubling them every time they get the ball and collapsing the whole defense on them like the Cavs did to Steph Curry in the finals. They had single coverage and just played bad. Spurs style of play is ball movement anyways, so what are you even talking about? Parker scored 10 PPG on 36% shooting. He was by far and away one of our worst players last year.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pau led the team in RAPM, WS, postseason RAPM, postseason WS, Finals RAPM, Finals WS. Lets act like it wasn't close though.. this is where people who can't get Kobe's dick out of their mouth get exposed.

Kobe led the Lakers with the highest RAPM in the regular-season and playoffs. As he did in player efficiency rating (playoffs).

Gasol had the most winshares, but winshares are a product of the team - stats which don't adjust for your teammates on the court. It's basically equivalent to +/-

I get that you're emotional, but do your research bud.

[T_L_P]

07, 14 and maybe even 05 (yes it's arguable) are certainly not Duncan. :facepalm

You do realize that it's way closer in 05 than it was in 07, you big doofus?

2007 Playoffs:

22/12/3/3/.556 TS% for Duncan (27.4 PER, 3.3 WS, 7.2 Box +/-)

20/3/5/1/.523 TS% for Parker (18.7 PER, 1.6 WS, 0.5 Box +/-)

In fact, Manu was our best player in the 05 Playoffs imo.

Parker wasn't even close in 07, so I'd like to see you explain that line of thinking (inb4 'FMVP' which wasn't what this thread is about; it's about the whole season or at least the postseason).

Also, Tim had the best RAPM in the entire NBA in 07 with a 10.2 (next highest was KG with an 8.6).

Parker wasn't even top 75 with his 0.4.

So again, can you explain how Parker was the best Spur on the 07 team? The whole season or Playoffs, not just the Finals?

[K Xerxes]

For 2014, I'd like to point out that in the WCF vs OKC (which was arguably a tougher series for the Spurs than vs Miami), Duncan was easily the best Spurs player and averaged 18-10. Kawhi had 12-5 on 42% shooting.

Overall, I think Duncan was quite clearly the best and most important player. Maybe arguable in terms of stats, but defensive anchoring and leadership to boot... no doubt.

He's been the best player for each of their 5 championship runs IMO.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

For 2014, I'd like to point out that in the WCF vs OKC (which was arguably a tougher series for the Spurs than vs Miami), Duncan was easily the best Spurs player and averaged 18-10. Kawhi had 12-5 on 42% shooting.

Overall, I think Duncan was quite clearly the best and most important player. Maybe arguable in terms of stats, but defensive anchoring and leadership to boot... no doubt.

He's been the best player for each of their 5 championship runs IMO.

You make a good point about OKC. If it hadn't been for his heroics in the Game 6 OT, we could of very well lost that series.

[dubeta]

You do realize that it's way closer in 05 than it was in 07, you big doofus?

2007 Playoffs:

22/12/3/3/.556 TS% for Duncan (27.4 PER, 3.3 WS, 7.2 Box +/-)

20/3/5/1/.523 TS% for Parker (18.7 PER, 1.6 WS, 0.5 Box +/-)

In fact, Manu was our best player in the 05 Playoffs imo.

Parker wasn't even close in 07, so I'd like to see you explain that line of thinking (inb4 'FMVP' which wasn't what this thread is about; it's about the whole season or at least the postseason).

Also, Tim had the best RAPM in the entire NBA in 07 with a 10.2 (next highest was KG with an 8.6).

Parker wasn't even top 75 with his 0.4.

So again, can you explain how Parker was the best Spur on the 07 team? The whole season or Playoffs, not just the Finals?

:biggums:


Parker was better in the 2nd and 4th rounds of the playoffs, while Duncan was better in the 1st and 3rd rounds. Overall the edge goes to Parker

[SouBeachTalents]

:biggums:


Parker was better in the 2nd and 4th rounds of the playoffs, while Duncan was better in the 1st and 3rd rounds. Overall the edge goes to Parker

:roll: How was Parker better?

[T_L_P]

:biggums:


Parker was better in the 2nd and 4th rounds of the playoffs, while Duncan was better in the 1st and 3rd rounds. Overall the edge goes to Parker

Duncan in rd 2: 27/14/1/4/.596 TS%, avg GameScore in series of 22.9

Parker in rd 2: 21/3/6/1/.490 TS%, avg GameScore of 12.2

Manu was better than Parker was in the 2nd round - much better. Heck, he was arguably better than him throughout the season.

So no, Parker wasn't better in the 2nd round. Duncan was better in the Regular Season (All-NBA + All-Defensive 1st Team; Parker didn't make either), rds 1-3, and throughout the Playoffs as a whole. There's no 'edge' to think about. It was Duncan, clear as day.

[juju151111]

Where is everyone finding the RAPM playoffs numbers?

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm not going to get into the Kobe/Duncan ones, just way too much agenda involved lol. I noticed the ones you guys disagreed with most were '73, '82, '85, and '89.

1973 Knicks
Regular Season
Frazier: 21/7/6 49% 19.7 PER/13 WS
Reed: 11/9/2 47% 15.4 PER/5.8 WS

Postseason
Frazier: 22/7/6 51% 19.7 PER/3 WS
Reed: 13/8/2 47% 15.1 PER/ 1 WS

Accolades
Frazier: All-NBA 2nd Team, All-Defensive 1st Team, 7th MVP voting
Reed: Finals MVP

1982 Lakers
Regular Season
Magic: 19/10/10 54% 22.9 PER/12.9 WS
Kareem: 24/9/3 58% 23.4 PER/10.7 WS

Postseason
Magic: 17/11/9 53% 22.5 PER/2.7 WS
Kareem: 20/9/4 52% 20.1 PER/1.5 WS

Accolades
Magic: All-NBA 2nd Team, 8th MVP voting, Finals MVP
Kareem: 10th MVP voting

1985 Lakers
Regular Season
Magic: 18/6/13 56% 23.2 PER/12.7 WS
Kareem: 22/8/4 60% 22.9 PER/11.2 WS

Postseason
Magic: 18/7/15 62% 22.3 PER/3.0 WS
Kareem: 22/8/4 56% 22.1 PER/2.5 WS

Accolades
Magic: All-NBA 1st Team, 2nd MVP voting
Kareem: All-NBA 2nd Team, 4th MVP voting, Finals MVP

1989 Pistons
Regular Season
Dumars: 17/3/6 51% 16.8 PER/7 WS
Isiah: 18/3/8 46% 17.1 PER/7 WS

Postseason
Dumars: 18/3/6 46% 17.0 PER/2.1 WS
Isiah: 18/4/8 41% 18.6 PER/ 1.8 WS

Accolades
Dumars: All-Defensive 1st Team, T17th MVP voting, Finals MVP
Isiah: T17th MVP voting

While these obviously don't tell the whole story, here's each season breakdown for the years in dispute

[tmacattack33]

Kawhi for the 2014 Spurs.

Gasol for 2010 Lakers.

Billups for the 2004 Pistons.

[ShawkFactory]

People trying to say Duncan wasn't the best player on the 07 Spurs :lol

[AnaheimLakers24]

Kyrie is the best player ive ever seen on the cavs. EVER!

[dankok8]

Great list by the OP that I mostly agree with. I think the one major blunder is 1989. Isiah Thomas was easily the best player on that Pistons team regardless of who won the Finals MVP.

For 1982 and 1985 it's too tough to choose Kareem or Magic. Even though it's cop-out I'd really call it a tie. 1979, 2004, and 2014 are extremely tough to choose one and honestly I wouldn't even try. Those are ensemble squads.

[rmt]

For all those with fuzzy memories:

2004-05 Regular season
Duncan 20.3 pts / 11.1 rebs / 2.7 asst / 2.6 blks 49.6% 1st all-nba, 1st all-defensive, all-star
Parker 16.6 pts / 6.1 asst 48.2%
Manu 16.0 pts / 3.9 asst 47.1% all-star

2005 Playoffs
Duncan 23.6 pts / 12.4 rebs / 2.7 asst / 2.3 blks 46.4%
Parker 17.2 pts / 4.3 assts 45.4%
Manu 20.8 pts / 4.2 asst 50.7%


2006-07 Regular season
Duncan 20.0 pts / 10.6 rebs / 3.4 asst / 2.4 blks 54.6% 1st all-nba, 1st all-defensive, all-star
Parker 18.6 pts / 5.5 asst 52% all-star

2007 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts / 11.5 rebs / 3.3 asst /3.1 blks 52.1%
Parker 20.8 pts / 5.8 asst 48%


2013-14 Regular season
Duncan 15.1 pts / 9.7 rebs / 3 asst / 1.9 blks 49%
Parker 16.7 pts / 5.7 asst 49.9% 2nd all-nba, all-star
Leonard 12.8 pts / 6.2 rebs / 2 asst / 1.7 stl 52.2%

2014 Playoffs
Duncan 16.3 pts / 9.2 rebs / 2 asst / 1.3 blks 52.3%
Parker 17.4 pts / 4.8 asst 48.6%
Leonard 14.3 pts / 6.7 rebs / 1.7 asst / 1.7 stl 51%

[Young X]

Are people seriously trying to argue Parker over Duncan in 2007? Really? That's one of Duncan's best seasons.

[T_L_P]

Are people seriously trying to argue Parker over Duncan in 2007? Really? That's one of Duncan's best seasons.

Manu was much closer to being our best player in 05 than Parker was in 07.

In fact, Parker wasn't even better than Manu on the 07 squad - Regular Season or Playoffs.

[Smoke117]

Pippen was the best player in 98...he just put in the work...hurt his back and Jordie took all the credit.

[Dbrog]

Actually a really great list by OP (for the most part). It's a shame trolls are coming in here with their agenda against Duncan with their nonsense arguments. I'm going to hope their trolls and don't actually think what they are posting is truth because that would be...just sad. Duncan 2014 is debatable though much like that Pistons win. Lol @ the peeps talking about Reed over Frazier btw. Walt was a BEAST that year and also had maybe the best defense ever seen from a PG.

[West-Side]

Gasol was the best player in 2010, had the higher playoff PER, finals PER, more winshares, and had the better Finals Game 7

Win Shares
1. Pau Gasol ▪ LAL 4.3
2. Kobe Bryant ▪ LAL 3.6
3. Rajon Rondo ▪ BOS 2.7
4. Paul Pierce ▪ BOS 2.5
5. Ray Allen ▪ BOS 2.4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html


Kawhi was also better than Duncan in 2014 (especially Finals)


I was going to say Tony Parker was better in 2007 as well, but felt bad for exposing Duncan

****ing morons: I could care less what your stupid numbers suggest, Pau Gasol looked for Kobe to take over games. Just because Pau played brilliant basketball and enjoyed the space he got by Kobe being double/triple teamed and was the go to guy in close games, doesn't make Pau better you shit for brains.

[Dbrog]

****ing morons: I could care less what your stupid numbers suggest, Pau Gasol looked for Kobe to take over games. Just because Pau played brilliant basketball and enjoyed the space he got by Kobe being double/triple teamed and was the go to guy in close games, doesn't make Pau better you shit for brains.

I would say this is true. It's the same reason why Kobe isn't over Shaq on those early 2000s Laker teams even though he had better performances at times. Numbers don't always tell the whole story...

[West-Side]

I would say this is true. It's the same reason why Kobe isn't over Shaq on those early 2000s Laker teams even though he had better performances at times. Numbers don't always tell the whole story...

No one was better than Shaq during that 3-peat; Kobe had games where he was the man and he even played better in certain series, but Shaq demanded more attention from teams.

But the Kobe/Shaq is different than Kobe/Pau; because not only was Kobe clearly the best players in during that title run with Pau he was also the closer for the Lakers.

Shaq was never the closer; Kobe was.

[branslowski]

Then how come Gasol had a much greater PER and Win Share advantage than Kobe throughout the playoffs, if he only outplayed Kobe in '1 game'?

The sudden realization that Kobe has never been the best player on a championship team is something you Kobestans can never come around to admitting. :rolleyes:

:facepalm

Just pathetic the heights the same usual hater suspects go, Dude avgs 29ppg 6reb 5ast thru that Playoff run, wins both Finals MVP's and...You know what, I just took the bait..I'm done.

[branslowski]

I would say this is true. It's the same reason why Kobe isn't over Shaq on those early 2000s Laker teams even though he had better performances at times. Numbers don't always tell the whole story...

No, Numbers or not (n lol just talkin Raw stats, not science not watching games type stats) Shaq was clearly the best Player During the FINALS because he had the easy matchups, after Kobe dominated against teams like the Kings with C-Webb n Vlade, and the Spurs with Duncan, all we had to do was lean on Shaq against Rik Smits, Todd McCullah, Skinny old Mutumbo exc...Still, watching the games and clear raw classic stats (pts/reb/ast exc) Shaq was clearly the best player in the Finals...Just Like Kobe was clearly the Lakers best player in 10'....It's like you morons overrate Pau soo much just to bash Kobe making me seem like I'M bashing my boy Pau...Pau was not the Lakers best player EVER, clearly.

[Dbrog]

No, Numbers or not (n lol just talkin Raw stats, not science not watching games type stats) Shaq was clearly the best Player During the FINALS because he had the easy matchups, after Kobe dominated against teams like the Kings with C-Webb n Vlade, and the Spurs with Duncan, all we had to do was lean on Shaq against Rik Smits, Todd McCullah, Skinny old Mutumbo exc...Still, watching the games and clear raw classic stats (pts/reb/ast exc) Shaq was clearly the best player in the Finals...Just Like Kobe was clearly the Lakers best player in 10'....It's like you morons overrate Pau soo much just to bash Kobe making me seem like I'M bashing my boy Pau...Pau was not the Lakers best player EVER, clearly.

The stans love to do this and it's sad because you're right, they make it seem like you are bashing Pau when in actuality you are just commenting on the dynamics of the team. Pau was a beast and completely instrumental in winning those chips. I don't think you could replace him with many people in the NBA at that point and still win. This doesn't make him better than Kobe on these teams though. Also realize stans only have black and white thinking so good luck trying to have a rational conversation with them.

[kennethgriffin]

1950's
1957: Russell
1958: Pettit
1959: Russell

1960's
1960: Russell
1961: Russell
1962: Russell
1963: Russell
1964: Russell
1965: Russell
1966: Russell
1967: Wilt
1968: Havlicek
1969: Havlicek

1970's
1970: Reed
1971: Kareem
1972: Wilt
1973: Frazier
1974: Havlicek
1975: Barry
1976: Cowens
1977: Walton
1978: Hayes
1979: Gus Williams

1980's
1980: Kareem
1981: Bird
1982: Magic
1983: Moses
1984: Bird
1985: Magic
1986: Bird
1987: Magic
1988: Magic
1989: Dumars

1990's
1990: Isiah
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Jordan
1994: Hakeem
1995: Hakeem
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Duncan*void*lockout

2000's
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq (kobe dominated the first 3 series *all more important*)
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Big Ben
2005: Duncan*manu 20ppg/60% finals/assist leader/duncan 40%*
2006: Wade
2007: Duncan
2008: KG
2009: Kobe

2010's
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron*void* lockout
2013: LeBron*void* ray allen
2014: Duncan
2015: Curry

Players with multiple appearances


Which ones would you guys change?




nope to all the bold

[kennethgriffin]

OP has an unhealthy obsession with duncan. even more so than his obsession for lebron. which is confusing

[kennethgriffin]

Are people seriously trying to argue Parker over Duncan in 2007? Really? That's one of Duncan's best seasons.


i think that was the turning point. since the finals of 07 parker just took the wheel

[Dbrog]

nope to all the bold

How the **** aren't you perma banned yet? :lol :hammerhead: :banghead:

[SouBeachTalents]

OP has an unhealthy obsession with duncan. even more so than his obsession for lebron. which is confusing

You of all people talking about obsessing over a player is hilariously ironic :lol

[T_L_P]

i think that was the turning point. since the finals of 07 parker just took the wheel

Kobe best player in first three rounds (in your opinion), not in Finals or Regular Season - best player on title team

Duncan best player in first three rounds and Regular Season, not in Finals - not best player on title team

Solid logic.

[Heavincent]

Kawhi for the 2014 Spurs.

Gasol for 2010 Lakers.

Billups for the 2004 Pistons.

You're a shithead, as is anybody who says 2010 is even an argument.

[tpols]

You're a shithead, as is anybody who says 2010 is even an argument.

its especially funny because he listed 2004 as Billups.. picking the offensive closer, high ppg guy over the dominant big man in Ben Wallace, while in 2010 applying completely opposite, contradictory standards lol

[swagga]

nope to all the bold

that lockout dude must of had some monster series tbh.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

1983 Moses was on a mission. Dude was an animal on the boards.

[rmt]

1983 Moses was on a mission. Dude was an animal on the boards.

He reminded me of a locomotive - just coming at you and unstoppable.

[triangleoffense]

Gasol was the best player in 2010, had the higher playoff PER, finals PER, more winshares, and had the better Finals Game 7

Win Shares
1. Pau Gasol ▪ LAL 4.3
2. Kobe Bryant ▪ LAL 3.6
3. Rajon Rondo ▪ BOS 2.7
4. Paul Pierce ▪ BOS 2.5
5. Ray Allen ▪ BOS 2.4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html


Kawhi was also better than Duncan in 2014 (especially Finals)


I was going to say Tony Parker was better in 2007 as well, but felt bad for exposing Duncan

Damn you are still literally just as stupid as when you first started posting here. Any metric that has Gasol over Kobe and Rondo over Pierce/Allen/KG is :biggums:

[Bully Allen]

2015 - Andre Iguodala

[ShawkFactory]

nope to all the bold
Not one of your best