Gasol v.s. Kobe 2010 Playoffs Game by Game

[ArbitraryWater]

yeah yeah 'why do this they played on the same team' well here it goes..

1st Round vs Oklahoma City Thunder

G1:
Gasol: 19/13/3 on 50% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 21/2/3 on 31% (5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 17/15/6 on 58%
Kobe: 24/4/8 on 34%

Gasol > Kobe

G4:
Gasol: 13/4/3 on 50%
Kobe: 12/3/4 on 50%

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 25/11/5 on 63%
Kobe: 13/3/7 on 44%

Gasol > Kobe

G6:
Gasol: 9/18/3 on 36%
Kobe: 32/7/3 on 48% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

1st Round Summary (6 Games)
Gasol better in 4/6 Games

2nd Round vs Utah Jazz

G1:
Gasol: 25/12/4 on 60% + 5 Blocks
Kobe: 31/3/4 on 63%

Gasol > Kobe (Close, but 9 Rebound Gap, 5 Blocks and Kobe with TO/PF Edge)

G2:
Gasol: 22/15(5 offensive)/2 on 64% (6 TO's)
Kobe: 30/5/8 on 45% + 3 Blocks (7 TO's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 14/17(7 offensive)/3 on 50% shooting
Kobe : 35 / 4 / 7 | 54% shooting

Kobe > Gasol (Close, PG has a fine case with 17 Rebounds/7 Off. Reb.! But scoring..)

G4:
Gasol: 33/14(7 offensive)/2 on 67%
Kobe: 32/3/4 on 47%

Gasol > Kobe

2nd Round Summary (4 Games)
Gasol better in 3/4 Games

Conference Finals vs Pheonix Suns

G1:
Gasol: 25/4/5 on 77%
Kobe: 40/5/5 on 55%

Kobe > Gasol

G2:
Gasol: 29/9/5 on 58%
Kobe: 21/5/13 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 23/9/2 on 79%
Kobe: 36/9/11 on 54% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 15/5/3 on 43% + 4 Blocks
Kobe: 38/7/10 on 68%

Kobe > Gasol

G5:
Gasol: 21/9/5 on 50%
Kobe: 30/11/9 on 44% + 4 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 9/7/2 on 22%
Kobe: 37/6/2 on 48%

Kobe > Gasol

Conference Finals Summary ( 6 Games)
Kobe better in 5/6 Games

Finals vs Boston Celtics

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/8/3/ on 70% + 6 Blocks
Kobe: 21/5/6 on 40% + 4 Steals (5 TO's+5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 13/10/4 on 46%
Kobe: 29/7/4 on 34% + 3 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46%
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe

Turnovers:
Kobe: 28
Gasol: 13

*only noted 3+ Blocks/Steals and 5+ TO's / PF's

Finals Summary (7 Games)
Gasol better in 4/7 Games

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2010 Playoff Summary (23 Games)

1st Round: Gasol > Kobe
2nd Round: Gasol > Kobe
Conference Finals: Kobe > Gasol
Finals: Gasol > Kobe

Gasol better in 3/4 Series'
Kobe better in 1/4 Series'

Gasol better in 12/23 Games
Kobe better in 9/23 Games

Gasol > Kobe in 2010 Playoffs

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Which ones would you disagree with?

[Quickening]

Seem accurate, but to give someone as boring as Gasol a FMVP over a superstar like Kobe would have took peak regular season Wilt numbers

[ArbitraryWater]

Seem accurate, but to give someone as boring as Gasol a FMVP over a superstar in Kobe would have took Gasol having peak regular season Wilt numbers

ESPN Crew was confused as **** afterwards talking about why Kobe was FMVP... Plashke (or whatever) and Wilbon were like 'who the hell decides these things?' :oldlol:

[GIF REACTION]

If only games were played on stat sheets

[buddha]

If only games were played on stat sheets

LeBron would approve of this.

[GIF REACTION]

But regardless,

Good post. I think people forget how good Gasol is/was

[ArbitraryWater]

If only games were played on stat sheets

Which games do you think transcend the statistical evidence? Its always a treat to learn how by suddenly using 'the eye test' Kobe is obviously superior opposed to anyone he was being compared to at the time... but please, enlighten.


But regardless,

Good post. I think people forget how good Gasol is/was

at least we can agree on that

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Looks to me like you underrate scoring if anything. Beyond that, though, having a nicer looking stat-line doesn't always mean you have more impact and/or are the better player.

At the time, and in hindsight, Kobe was better than Gasol in the 2010 playoffs.

[GIF REACTION]

Which games do you think transcend the statistical evidence? Its always a treat to learn how by suddenly using 'the eye test' Kobe is obviously superior opposed to anyone he was being compared to at the time... but please, enlighten.



at least we can agree on that
It's a matter of context within the games

The wheels might get the spin but the engine is really doing the work

Gasol isn't putting up those numbers and winning games without Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

yeah yeah 'why do this they played on the same team' well here it goes..

1st Round vs Oklahoma City Thunder

G1:
Gasol: 19/13/3 on 50% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 21/2/3 on 31% (5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 17/15/6 on 58%
Kobe: 24/4/8 on 34%

Gasol > Kobe

G4:
Gasol: 13/4/3 on 50%
Kobe: 12/3/4 on 50%

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 25/11/5 on 63%
Kobe: 13/3/7 on 44%

Gasol > Kobe

G6:
Gasol: 9/18/3 on 36%
Kobe: 32/7/3 on 48% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

1st Round Summary (6 Games)
Gasol better in 4/6 Games

2nd Round vs Utah Jazz

G1:
Gasol: 25/12/4 on 60% + 5 Blocks
Kobe: 31/3/4 on 63%

Gasol > Kobe (Close, but 9 Rebound Gap, 5 Blocks and Kobe with TO/PF Edge)

G2:
Gasol: 22/15(5 offensive)/2 on 64% (6 TO's)
Kobe: 30/5/8 on 45% + 3 Blocks (7 TO's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 14/17(7 offensive)/3 on 50% shooting
Kobe : 35 / 4 / 7 | 54% shooting

Kobe > Gasol (Close, PG has a fine case with 17 Rebounds/7 Off. Reb.! But scoring..)

G4:
Gasol: 33/14(7 offensive)/2 on 67%
Kobe: 32/3/4 on 47%

Gasol > Kobe

2nd Round Summary (4 Games)
Gasol better in 3/4 Games

Conference Finals vs Pheonix Suns

G1:
Gasol: 25/4/5 on 77%
Kobe: 40/5/5 on 55%

Kobe > Gasol

G2:
Gasol: 29/9/5 on 58%
Kobe: 21/5/13 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 23/9/2 on 79%
Kobe: 36/9/11 on 54% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 15/5/3 on 43% + 4 Blocks
Kobe: 38/7/10 on 68%

Kobe > Gasol

G5:
Gasol: 21/9/5 on 50%
Kobe: 30/11/9 on 44% + 4 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 9/7/2 on 22%
Kobe: 37/6/2 on 48%

Kobe > Gasol

Conference Finals Summary ( 6 Games)
Kobe better in 5/6 Games

Finals vs Boston Celtics

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/8/3/ on 70% + 6 Blocks
Kobe: 21/5/6 on 40% + 4 Steals (5 TO's+5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 13/10/4 on 46%
Kobe: 29/7/4 on 34% + 3 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46%
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe

Turnovers:
Kobe: 28
Gasol: 13

*only noted 3+ Blocks/Steals and 5+ TO's / PF's

Finals Summary (7 Games)
Gasol better in 4/7 Games

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2010 Playoff Summary (23 Games)

1st Round: Gasol > Kobe
2nd Round: Gasol > Kobe
Conference Finals: Kobe > Gasol
Finals: Gasol > Kobe

Gasol better in 3/4 Series'
Kobe better in 1/4 Series'

Gasol better in 12/23 Games
Kobe better in 9/23 Games

Gasol > Kobe in 2010 Playoffs

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Which ones would you disagree with?

Game 2 vs OKC could be a wash
Game 2 vs Utah could be a wash
Game 2 vs Phoenix could be a wash
Game 4 of the Finals is Kobe
Game 6 of the Finals could be a wash

[HOoopCityJones]

Looks to me like you underrate scoring if anything. Beyond that, though, having a nicer looking stat-line doesn't always mean you have more impact and/or are the better player.

At the time, and in hindsight, Kobe was better than Gasol in the 2010 playoffs.


Tell him post The Boston series, notably the games played at their house. :lol


Gasol numbers look pretty mostly because of rebounding. But he's a PF/Center, that's like literally his Job. It's Kobe's job to score and put pressure on the defense.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's a matter of context within the games

The wheels might get the spin but the engine is really doing the work

Gasol isn't putting up those numbers and winning games without Kobe

and we have evidence that a superior Kobe wasn't winning games without Gasol, either.... both Gasol and Kobe were first round exists without each other... as far as the numbers, Gasol put up similar ones in Memphis, as a LESSER player, hell, at this old age, declared washed by Kobe fans in 2013, he was still leading the NBA in DOUBLE DOUBLES for **** sake... so no, not true. Peak Gasol could very realistically have averaged MORE ppg due to the limited shot attempts he had.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ using "rebounding gap" as legit measure of effectiveness to decredit a 6'6 wing player and prop up a 7'1 guy.

But Kobe 15 boards and game 7 were "irrelevant". Lol.

Kobe is so good that he's the first guard in history to have his fg% compared with a big man.

[ArbitraryWater]

Game 2 vs OKC could be a wash
Game 2 vs Utah could be a wash
Game 2 vs Phoenix could be a wash
Game 4 of the Finals is Kobe
Game 6 of the Finals could be a wash

the could be ones, I like that you included the 'could be', your opinion, to me, no... Game 4 of the Finals I called a wash because of the 7 TO's, which to me matches any edge Kobe had in volume scoring (that was it).

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol @ using "rebounding gap" as legit measure of effectiveness to decredit a 6'6 wing player and prop up a 7'1 guy.

But Kobe 15 boards and game 7 were "irrelevant". Lol.

Kobe is so good that he's the first guard in history to have his fg% compared with a big man.

Sorry, you fail again... this isn't about whats more impressive, we're simply comparing basketball categories (across the board)... assists are in here, too, so don't cry around... efficiency is compared all the time, its another reason why MJ was GOAT, actually. If a big guy is more inclined to shoot a higher percentage, than boo hoo.

[SouBeachTalents]

the could be ones, I like that you included the 'could be', your opinion, to me, no... Game 4 of the Finals I called a wash because of the 7 TO's, which to me matches any edge Kobe had in volume scoring (that was it).

Lol, I was just trying to say those ones could go either way, it seems like you gave a lot of 50/50 games to Gasol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Tell him post The Boston series, notably the games played at their house. :lol


Gasol numbers look pretty mostly because of rebounding. But he's a PF/Center, that's like literally his Job. It's Kobe's job to score and put pressure on the defense.

Yeah, but even if we WERE to look at numbers ...

Kobe's 29.2/6.0/5.5 on .567%TS >>> Gasol's 19.6/11.1/3.5 on .599%TS

I believe Kobe's PER and RAPM that year (which includes postseason play) were superior to Pau's, who had a fantastic year all-around regardless of the revisionist history.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol, I was just trying to say those ones could go either way, it seems like you gave a lot of 50/50 games to Gasol

yea, and I complimented you on the phrasing.. as for your assumption, nope

[GIF REACTION]

That is the conundrum with big men... People think because they put up this many points with this efficiency that should be able to score this much more on this efficiency... But the truth is traditional big men are predictable and in today's sophisticated team defense era it is easy to deny them the ball... And yes, it's the perimeter players feeding them the ball. This isn't the illegal defense era where a big could get post position without any worry of a weakside defender coming over to double off the ball and deny the post...

[GIF REACTION]

If you try and make Gasol the focal point of the offense because of theoretical ideas that because he was this efficient at this amount of points, that he should be getting more shots.... You will not win many games...

[GIF REACTION]

The only big men who thrive as number one options today play like guards....

Anthony Davis
Demarcus Cousins (Success imminent)

[HOoopCityJones]

Yeah, but even if we WERE to look at numbers ...

Kobe's 29.2/6.0/5.5 on .567%TS >>> Gasol's 19.6/11.1/3.5 on .599%TS

I believe Kobe's PER and RAPM that year (which includes postseason play) were superior to Pau's, who had a fantastic year all-around regardless of the revisionist history.

Plus Kobe was the more consistent threat, you bump Pau once hard and he's taken out of his game. That Gm 7 on our floor is the toughest Ive ever seen him.

We don't beat the Thunder without his tip in tho, that much i'll say.

[ArbitraryWater]

These stats don't come by accident... go through 2008 and Kobe wrecks Gasol on every single one but TWO games through the West.

[TheMarkMadsen]

the could be ones, I like that you included the 'could be', your opinion, to me, no... Game 4 of the Finals I called a wash because of the 7 TO's, which to me matches any edge Kobe had in volume scoring (that was it).

you conveniently leave out Gasols 4 turnovers...

[GIF REACTION]

The traditional slow lumbering physical big man gets eaten alive by the modern rules... Not to say they don't have a place... They do... But it is a lesser role

[chazzy]

You must be a huge Tristan Thompson fan with your emphasis of OREB

[Droid101]

You're giving Gasol games that no sane person who actually watched the game would give him.

0/10 trolling attempt.

[dubeta]

LOL at the 'Gasol is 7 feet so he's supposed to rebound more than Kobe' argument :lol


Couldnt you say the same thing about Kobe? Kobe is a shooting guard who constantly hoists shots with no conscience, so he's supposed to score more than Gasol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Plus Kobe was the more consistent threat, you bump Pau once hard and he's taken out of his game. That Gm 7 on our floor is the toughest Ive ever seen him.

We don't beat the Thunder without his tip in tho, that much i'll say.

Yup. Pau was a beast in 2010.

I have to say that much is overblown about shooting percentages... Kobe was basically second 3-peat MJ as far as efficiency goes. Only difference is, nobody is gonna claim Pau>MJ because of his pretty rebounding stats lol.

[ArbitraryWater]

you conveniently leave out Gasols 4 turnovers...

I'm sure Kobe had games in that run of 4 TO's as well... at the time I just noted the ones with 5+ TO games, as you can see in the OP...

so yeah, I just checked, Kobe had 4 TO's in the Finals Game 7, Finals Game 5, Finals Game 1, WCSF Game 1 and 2 more in the first round... all of which I haven't noted in the OP, guess you were better off not bringing this up.

[ArbitraryWater]

You must be a huge Tristan Thompson fan with your emphasis of OREB

yay, this is fun, lets bring up a random role player that does nothing but offensive rebounds, can't create for shit... Lakers fans :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe



So Kobe averages 29/10/3 on 40% the last 3 games of the finals compared to Pau who averaged 16/14/3 on 40% yet Gasol was better for 2/3 of those games according to you..

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'm sure Kobe had games in that run of 4 TO's as well... at the time I just noted the ones with 5+ TO games, as you can see in the OP...



your entire argument for giving Gasol that game was that Kobe had 7 turnovers and 5 fouls..

well Gasol had 4 turnovers and 4 fouls that same game..

biased af

[Deuce Bigalow]

How many times will this be copy pasted?

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-41349-jonah-hill-oscars-cut-it-out-g-w5Tc.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

your entire argument for giving Gasol that game was that Kobe had 7 turnovers and 5 fouls..

well Gasol had 4 turnovers and 4 fouls that same game..

biased af

Well, go ahead and change it.. let me see if accounting for all those 4 TO Kobe games shifts some others in Gasols favor.


How many times will this be copy pasted?

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-41349-jonah-hill-oscars-cut-it-out-g-w5Tc.gif

I saw the original one but disagreed with quite a few games, so changed some.. I think more so in the benefit of Kobe, actually. This one does you best :cheers: just fair treatment

Laker fans, appreciate this beast combo you had :bowdown:

[HOoopCityJones]

Yup. Pau was a beast in 2010.

I have to say that much is overblown about shooting percentages... Kobe was basically second 3-peat MJ as far as efficiency goes. Only difference is, nobody is gonna claim Pau>MJ because of his pretty rebounding stats lol.

It's one hell of a reach.

If he was averaging in the upper 30's in pts like 2000 Shaq PLUS this rebounding, I'd definitely concede he was better, but he wasn't. :confusedshrug:

[chazzy]

Kobe was def better in game 6. He started that game beautifully and his numbers didn't give him justice because it was a 20 point blowout by halftime. I remember DMAVS (gino at the time) and I were talking about how people will underrate that game in the future. Didn't take long

[Ne 1]

Just curious, did you even watch any of these games?

Gasol probably had a better series vs OKC in the first round because Kobe's knee issues. But after he got his knee drained he was clearly the better player and back to his elite level.


Also, it's an out right crime that the analysis of who was the best player in the first round between Kobe and Gasol doesn't include the most important element. You know, the factor if you watched the games and not looked purely at the numbers was indicative of why the Lakers even won that series. In the first few games when OKC was making it very competitive, and had people thinking they might upset the defending champs ... Westbrook was ABUSING Derrick Fisher's old ass off the dribble. Getting into the lane, creating havoc. He was by far and away OKC's best player in the series, Durant having significant problems with Artest's physical defense on the outer perimeter by bodying the meek Kevin Durant and not giving him space to even get the ball. So, Westbrook is abusing the Lakers.

Then, Kobe switches onto Westbrook (once again OKC's best player) and proceeds to lock him up for the rest of the series, frustrating him at every possible turn taking away his confidence and dominance over the game. L.A. proceeds to win. So while Kobe was exerting energy guarding the other team's best and most active weapon not named Durant ... Gasol was having his way offensively and on the boards against a weaker OKC front line.

[ArbitraryWater]

I seriously watched that LAL/OKC G6 a few weeks ago again, and Kobe did not shut down Westbrook, at all :roll:

Thats one of the bigger myths created by Kobetards... Russ got plenty of open looks, wasn't even guarded by Kobe 100% of the time.. I remember the commentators remarking on it aswell.

"Gasol PROBABLY had a better first round" lol... not just that, better 2nd round aswell.

[HOoopCityJones]

Did you even watch any of these games?

Gaso probably had a better series vs OKC in the first round because Kobe's knee issues. But after he got his knee drained he was clearly the better player and back to his elite level.


Also, it's an out right crime that the analysis of who was the best player in the first round of the 2010 playoffs between Kobe and Gasol doesn't include the most important element. You know, the factor if you watched the games and not looked purely at the numbers was indicative of why the Lakers even won that series. In the first few games when OKC was making it very competitive, and had people thinking they might upset the defending champs ... Westbrook was ABUSING Derrick Fisher's old ass off the dribble. Getting into the lane, creating havoc. He was by far and away OKC's best player in the series, Durant having significant problems with Artest's physical defense on the outer perimeter by bodying the meek Kevin Durant and not giving him space to even get the ball. So, Westbrook is abusing the Lakers.

Then, Kobe switches onto Westbrook (once again OKC's best player) and proceeds to lock him up for the rest of the series, frustrating him at every possible turn taking away his confidence and dominance over the game. L.A. proceeds to win. So while Kobe was exerting energy guarding the other team's best and most active weapon not named Durant ... Gasol was having his way offensively and on the boards against a weaker OKC front line.


Anyone who actually watched Basketball consistently during that time would remember this , I vividly remember Kobe snapping after Westbrook burns Fish on a crucial play once again and Kobe literally shouts to Phil that he'll guard him, on camera. It was a wrap.

[HOoopCityJones]

I seriously watched that LAL/OKC G6 a few weeks ago again, and Kobe did not shut down Westbrook, at all :roll:

Thats one of the bigger myths created by Kobetards... Russ got plenty of open looks, wasn't even guarded by Kobe 100% of the time.. I remember the commentators remarking on it aswell.

"Gasol PROBABLY had a better first round" lol... not just that, better 2nd round aswell.

Exposed.

You started watching Basketball in 2013 and your knowledge is based off frequent trips to Basketball reference. The key word is reference , you're not supposed to depend on it as the entirety of your knowledge of the game. :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Exposed.

You started watching Basketball in 2013 and your knowledge is based off frequent trips to Basketball reference. The key word is reference , you're not supposed to depend on it as the entirety of your knowledge of the game. :facepalm

not a lot of time to go from 0 games watched to smartest bball mind on this planet :rockon:

Also weird that you spent so much time on these treads, threads created by the 'dumbest poster in the forum', no, buddy? :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

not a lot of time to go from 0 games watched to smartest bball mind on this planet :rockon:

Also weird that you spent so much time on these treads, threads created by the 'dumbest poster in the forum', no, buddy? :lol

You have to help educate kids and retards. Everyone knows that.


I'm just doing my civil services. :kobe:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

not a lot of time to go from 0 games watched to smartest bball mind on this planet :rockon:

Also weird that you spent so much time on these treads, threads created by the 'dumbest poster in the forum', no, buddy? :lol

A smart bball fan wouldn't claim Gasol had an argument for best player on the Lakers in 2010...as you said in that other thread.

This thread reads like a "shaqpopcorn" special, but with the narrator actually believing his fantasy. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

You have to help educate kids and retards. Everyone knows that.


I'm just doing my civil services. :kobe:

You can't even write 'regard' but YOU wanna help kids? :lol

Damn, not a good look for the next generation :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

You can't even write 'regard' but YOU wanna help kids? :lol

Damn, not a good look for the next generation :oldlol:

Typos and and being literally tone def when it comes to anything pertaining to Basketball is two totally different things. But by all means, bump the thread, it's been awhile. :cheers:

[Ne 1]

Anyone who actually watched Basketball consistently during that time would remember this , I vividly remember Kobe snapping after Westbrook burns Fish on a crucial play once again and Kobe literally shouts to Phil that he'll guard him, on camera. It was a wrap.

Yup, and after Kobe got his knee drained prior to game 6 vs OKC, he was back to his elite level averaging 31.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 5.7 apg on 47.4 FG%, 52.2 eFG% and 58.5 TS% over his final 18 playoff games to win the title. Murdered Utah and Phoenix. Wasn't as great against Boston, understandable because they were an excellent defensive team, but he was still easily the best player overall in the series and he had some big games, in fact people in the media were talking about Kobe getting Finals MVP even if the Lakers lost through 6 games.

[Nashty]

Anyone who knows anything about basketball should know that Gasol was better than Kobe in 2010.

[HOoopCityJones]

Anyone who knows anything about basketball should know that Gasol was better than Kobe in 2010.

AW alt. :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Well, go ahead and change it.. let me see if accounting for all those 4 TO Kobe games shifts some others in Gasols favor.



I saw the original one but disagreed with quite a few games, so changed some.. I think more so in the benefit of Kobe, actually. This one does you best :cheers: just fair treatment

Laker fans, appreciate this beast combo you had :bowdown:G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe.....14 more points

G2:
Gasol: 22/15(5 offensive)/2 on 64% (6 TO's)
Kobe: 30/5/8 on 45% + 3 Blocks (7 TO's)

Gasol > Kobe...8 more points, 6 more assists

G2:
Gasol: 29/9/5 on 58%
Kobe: 21/5/13 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe....wash 8 more assists

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe.....wash

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46% 46%eFG, 60%TS, 4 TO, 4 PFs if that's even relavant wtf?
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% 59%eFG, 65% TS, 2 STL (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash....12 more points Kobe > CLEARLY

You didn't fix shit

[ArbitraryWater]

AW alt. :roll:

damn, suddenly went from 2013 first basketball game to 2010 watching basketball.. I sure like that :bowdown:

next of my alts will be a 2006 one :lol



You didn't fix shit

Have patience, young padawan :cheers:

[STATUTORY]

Sorry, you fail again... this isn't about whats more impressive, we're simply comparing basketball categories (across the board)... assists are in here, too, so don't cry around... efficiency is compared all the time, its another reason why MJ was GOAT, actually. If a big guy is more inclined to shoot a higher percentage, than boo hoo.

are you for real with that logic?

[chazzy]

ArbitraryWater I seriously watched that LAL/OKC G6 a few weeks ago again, and Kobe did not shut down Westbrook, at all

Thats one of the bigger myths created by Kobetards... Russ got plenty of open looks, wasn't even guarded by Kobe 100% of the time.. I remember the commentators remarking on it aswell.
... Maybe because it was game FIVE that everyone talks about his defense. Back to the tapes for you.

Yup, and after Kobe got his knee drained prior to game 6 vs OKC, he was back to his elite level averaging 31.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 5.7 apg on 47.4 FG%, 52.2 eFG% and 58.5 TS% over his final 18 playoff games
Jesus, I've never looked at that split before :oldlol:

[WeGetRing2012]

Just curious, did you even watch any of these games?

Gasol probably had a better series vs OKC in the first round because Kobe's knee issues. But after he got his knee drained he was clearly the better player and back to his elite level.


Also, it's an out right crime that the analysis of who was the best player in the first round between Kobe and Gasol doesn't include the most important element. You know, the factor if you watched the games and not looked purely at the numbers was indicative of why the Lakers even won that series. In the first few games when OKC was making it very competitive, and had people thinking they might upset the defending champs ... Westbrook was ABUSING Derrick Fisher's old ass off the dribble. Getting into the lane, creating havoc. He was by far and away OKC's best player in the series, Durant having significant problems with Artest's physical defense on the outer perimeter by bodying the meek Kevin Durant and not giving him space to even get the ball. So, Westbrook is abusing the Lakers.

Then, Kobe switches onto Westbrook (once again OKC's best player) and proceeds to lock him up for the rest of the series, frustrating him at every possible turn taking away his confidence and dominance over the game. L.A. proceeds to win. So while Kobe was exerting energy guarding the other team's best and most active weapon not named Durant ... Gasol was having his way offensively and on the boards against a weaker OKC front line.


THIS!!! I remember this playoff run like it was yesterday. Lebrontards everything is not about the stat sheet.

In the 1st round Kobe's knee was busted and was playing off (not bad). But he still took on the challenge of guarding Westbrook and really came out and set a tone in the Game 5 blowout (which may explain the low number of points.

Its so obvious you didn't watch these games because in the 2nd round Kobe outplayed Gasol by far. Im not sure how you are even rationalizing anything else.

Same for the 3rd round vs the Suns. Hell after the series Alvin Gentry was calling Kobe the best player in the world and the TNT crew said the only player who could make the shots that Kobe made in that series was in Hanes ads.

Vs the Celtics, Gasol was a no show on the road. Thank God for Fisher's Game 3 but there would not have been a need for a Game 7 if Gasol showed up on the road. And Kobe went off on the road scoring 25 in a quarter in one game. But that series wasn't about one player at all. But Gasol's performance on the road was very reminiscent of his playoff series vs. the Mavs in 2011.

[ArbitraryWater]

are you for real with that logic?

you're gonna have to be a bit more detailed in a post questioning logic where all the statement said was we're comparing statistical b-ball categories... maybe dig up another smart word from the dictionary, those always give me a chuckle :lol going full Stephen A Smith on us :cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

damn, suddenly went from 2013 first basketball game to 2010 watching basketball.. I sure like that :bowdown:

next of my alts will be a 2006 one :lol



Have patience, young padawan :cheers:

I was just playing foo. :oldlol:

[Raymone]

Hi 32days

[Ne 1]

Hi 32days

AW is 32dayz/bwink?

[tmacattack33]

Not too surprising.

I can remember Kobe playing very poorly against OKC... Artest shutting down KD and Gasol got them through it.

I hardly remember too much of the Utah series, somewhat because it blends in my mind with the 2009 and/or 2008 Lakers-Utah series.

I do remember the Phoenix series and Kobe played great in it...in spite of great defense from Grant Hill. Kobe was hitting JR Smith type of shots over him. I can't specifically remember how Gasol did in this series.

And of course there was the Finals that went 7 games against Boston, where Gasol played better than Kobe in my opinion. Most ppl who watched each game would say the same thing.

[Bandito]

All I see is Kobe being double team in the games while Gasol being left wide open whilw Kobe also had to carry the perimeter amd the offensive game by himself while Gasol was helped by Odom in the block and in some games by Bynum.

Retarded thread by another Lebron stan.

[Raymone]

AW is 32dayz/bwink?
Probably.

[chazzy]

AW is 32dayz/bwink?
No, but birthed in the same BruceBlitz youtube channel comment section so they have the same rhetoric

[SpecialQue]

Huh, so this is your hobby now that Lebron got his shit pushed in again. While I think that Kobe stans are human garbage (but less annoying than Lebron stans) I think it's hilarious that you're lashing out against Kobe so hard recently just because Lebron lost in the finals again. Take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

[Chrono90]

There things like creating for others, drawing double teams, etc.

You can't base everything on numbers. For example, Iggy got FMVP this year because he played defense on Lebron. There's something numbers dont show.

You only know if you watched all the games.

This thread is actually reaching to bash Kobe. Digging something that happened 5 years ago. Some younger guys that never saw the game might actually believe you.

[Ne 1]

There things like creating for others, drawing double teams, etc.

You can't base everything on numbers. For example, Iggy got FMVP this year because he played defense on Lebron. There's something numbers dont show.

You only know if you watched all the games.

This thread is actually reaching to bash Kobe. Digging something that happened 5 years ago. Some younger guys that never saw the game might actually believe you.


I actually give Gasol a lot of credit, he had a great season. But Kobe was clearly better and a top 2 player in the league in 2010, but Pau was probably top 10 in his own right. Borderline, but right around there.

After Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Dwight, Dirk, Durant, Nash, Melo and Williams, I'm not sure who else was better. Maybe Paul, but he only played 45 games.

And a few of those players are debatable depending on how you evaluate players. For example, some might be better 1st options, but not good enough to win titles as first options, and possibly inferior to Gasol as 2nd options.

Regardless, I can't believe people actually claim that Pau was better in 2010, well it's actually just trolls with an agenda baiting but just saying.

[Nashty]

Gasol had better PER and BPM in the regular season, and better BPM in the playoffs. Kobe had better PER in the playoffs, but Gasol had better PER in the Finals. But Kobe scored more points, so I guess he's better :confusedshrug:

[chazzy]

The consensus top 3 in 2010 was Lebron and then Kobe/Wade. Let's not rewrite history

[STATUTORY]

you're gonna have to be a bit more detailed in a post questioning logic where all the statement said was we're comparing statistical b-ball categories... maybe dig up another smart word from the dictionary, those always give me a chuckle :lol going full Stephen A Smith on us :cheers:
it's illogical because what you are doing is nonsense, agenda driven nonsense

but carry on

[ArbitraryWater]

it's illogical because what you are doing is nonsense, agenda driven nonsense

but carry on

no big words here :(

[Genaro]

Elite Big men numbers will always look better than elite perimeter players due to easier baskets (thus better FG) and the fact that rebounds is way easier to get than assists.
Quit trolling, OP.

[dubeta]

Elite Big men numbers will always look better than elite perimeter players due to easier baskets (thus better FG) and the fact that rebounds is way easier to get than assists.
Quit trolling, OP.

You just admitted that elite big men are better than elite perimeter players

And rebounds being easier to get, doesnt make it any less valuable


Gasol > Kobe

[STATUTORY]

no big words here :(

:oldlol: I don't use big words, not sure what you are getting at

[Genaro]

You just admitted that elite big men are better than elite perimeter players

And rebounds being easier to get, doesnt make it any less valuable


Gasol > Kobe
I know that as a Lebron stan you this may come as a new concept to you but better numbers don't necessarily means a better player. And I did say LOOK better.

[warriorfan]

How many times will this be copy pasted?

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-41349-jonah-hill-oscars-cut-it-out-g-w5Tc.gif

:roll:

OP is seriously the worst poster on the forum

[ArbitraryWater]

Huh, so this is your hobby now that Lebron got his shit pushed in again. While I think that Kobe stans are human garbage (but less annoying than Lebron stans) I think it's hilarious that you're lashing out against Kobe so hard recently just because Lebron lost in the finals again. Take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

I'm a calm mother****er.. but I do find it funny how frequently this card gets pulled :lol :cheers:

I'd like to hear more on these recent hate threads/posts I hear I've made on Kobe.

[IllegalD]

Another meltdown from OP since LeBron lost. :applause:

How many is that so far? :confusedshrug:

Btw, congrats on the SCOTUS decision, OP. #LoveWins. :cheers:

[tpols]

Prime A dubs aka Yung knowledge dropping stat bombs:bowdown:

[ArbitraryWater]

#LoveWins breh... #LoveWins :bowdown:

Gonna stay in CLE and get dat money and that ring

[TheMarkMadsen]

he was back to his elite level averaging 31.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 5.7 apg on 47.4 FG%, 52.2 eFG% and 58.5 TS% over his final 18 playoff games to win the title.

end thread

[catch24]

OP still trying to make a name for himself, but...

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/nzkgldjpwep5ztirxxqj.gif

[tpols]

Gonna stay in CLE and get dat money and that ring

Hey.. he might hit it, but he's not wifing it up

[HOoopCityJones]

OP still trying to make a name for himself, but...

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/nzkgldjpwep5ztirxxqj.gif

:roll:

[TheCorporation]

Very good break down, a lot of people forget how good Gasol was in 2010. Still is a very skilled big man. The only thing I might add is that Kobe being the defense's #1 target obviously opened up scoring opportunities for Gasol as the #2 option.

We see this time and time again with any #2 option playing with Bron.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yup. Pau was a beast in 2010.

I have to say that much is overblown about shooting percentages... Kobe was basically second 3-peat MJ as far as efficiency goes. Only difference is, nobody is gonna claim Pau>MJ because of his pretty rebounding stats lol.

yup exactly.

2010 Kobe: 29/6/6/ on 57% TS (31.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 5.7 apg on 47.4 FG%, 52.2 eFG% and 58.5 TS% over his final 18 playoff games)


96 Jordan: 31/5/4 on 56% TS


OP looking stupid as usual

[gts]

Arbitrary Water once again proving he doesn't watch the games....
Another youtube boxscore idiot

[SpecialQue]

Arbitrary Water once again proving he doesn't watch the games....
Another youtube boxscore idiot

Agreed. I seriously hope this idiot falls in front of a train.

[warriorfan]

Arbitrary Water once again proving he doesn't watch the games....
Another youtube boxscore idiot

Surprise that he is a LeBron fan isn't it? :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

OP is horrendously under valuing: a) volume scoring, and b) Kobe's lock down defense in the 1st round on Westbrook that basically won LA the series.

When prior to putting Kobe on him, Russell was absolutely destroying the Lakers with Fisher guarding him. Bryant was clearly superior in the Finals too. Especially on the road.

To insinuate Gasol was the better player in that title run is absurd. Wreaks of agenda. He was more valuable to the run in 2010 than 2009, but still not better than Mamba.

[Heavincent]

OP didn't even watch basketball back then :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Which games are people directly disagreeing with? Appreciating all the support, feedback and input :cheers:

[Magic 32]

This garbage thread has been made before...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239681

.. and it has been discredited before...

_______

Game 1 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 20 point lead at the end of the 3rd:

Pau : 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 6-11 fg%

Kobe: 26 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 9-16 fg%

_______

Game 6 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 60-40 lead with 6.23 left in the 3rd:

Pau : 9 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 4-9 fg%

Kobe: 18 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 7-13 fg%

http://replygif.net/i/573.gif

[IllegalD]

Which games are people directly disagreeing with? Appreciating all the support, feedback and input :cheers:

The game that your dad put on your mom that lead to your conception.

[knicksman]

This is why you guys are just fans of 2/6 coz you dont know shit

[dubeta]

This is why you guys are just fans of 2/6 coz you dont know shit

2/6 > 2/7

[knicksman]

Gasol had better PER and BPM in the regular season, and better BPM in the playoffs. Kobe had better PER in the playoffs, but Gasol had better PER in the Finals. But Kobe scored more points, so I guess he's better :confusedshrug:

Theres that thing called 80:20 rule where 80% of the impact comes from 20% of your skills so scoring actually is 80%. And this is the reason why bran is a constant failure coz he doesnt know w/c skills are more important. Thats why better scorers(dirk, curry) destroyed his ass. And kobe is 5/7 while hes 2/6

[knicksman]

2/6 > 2/7

Yup bran>wilt. But that will change next year

[SexSymbol]

One of the most biased posts ever.
Even in games were Kobe was clearly better, G2 against OKC for example, you give the edge to gasol for no apparent reason.
You want to make these kinds of threads, do it right, look at the context, look at clutch performances, who has defending who, what kind of shots were taken and made.
All you posted is dry stats and basically you give edge to gasol for extra rebounds, even though most of his rebounds always were easy rebounds with nobody near them. Of course he's gonna take a lot of those, he's a 7 footer and he's always near the hoop.
You don't factor in playmaking, you don't factor in who was doubled all night and who was not, all you do is post bare stats and even then you try to look as biased as possible.
Maybe a good thread idea, but pathetic execution.

[SexSymbol]

The consensus top 3 in 2010 was Lebron and then Kobe/Wade. Let's not rewrite history
Not true at all.
The vast majority had Kobe best in 09 and 10. This revisionist history that LeBron was considered the best came around recently and is obviously wrong.

[The Iron Fist]

So Kobe did what lebron can't and won't do, make his teammates better. Good job Bean. Playing that unselfish basketball and being an exemplary teammate sacrificing personal glory for team success. :applause:

[Mr Feeny]

ESPN Crew was confused as **** afterwards talking about why Kobe was FMVP... Plashke (or whatever) and Wilbon were like 'who the hell decides these things?' :oldlol:

Yeah I remember this:roll:
I was on realgm at the time and I remember quite a few Kobe fans who were embarrassed when he was given the fmvp:oldlol:
I can't believe it's been 5 years. Seems like yesterday.

[dubeta]

Yeah I remember this:roll:
I was on realgm at the time and I remember quite a few Kobe fans who were embarrassed when he was given the fmvp:oldlol:
I can't believe it's been 5 years. Seems like yesterday.

Good post

Kobe fan here, but I readily admit that the 2010 FMVP was a travesty

[SexSymbol]

Good post

Kobe fan here, but I readily admit that the 2010 FMVP was a travesty
stop talking to yourself

[Nashty]

Theres that thing called 80:20 rule where 80% of the impact comes from 20% of your skills so scoring actually is 80%. And this is the reason why bran is a constant failure coz he doesnt know w/c skills are more important. Thats why better scorers(dirk, curry) destroyed his ass. And kobe is 5/7 while hes 2/6

Bill Russell 11/12

[SexSymbol]

Bill Russell 11/12
Yeah, and he's the greatest player of all time. Your point?
LeBron is 2/6

[Nashty]

Yeah, and he's the greatest player of all time. Your point?
LeBron is 2/6

Just saying that overall impact is much important than scoring. I agree that Russell is the GOAT :cheers: BTW, I'm not a LeBron fan either.

[knicksman]

Just saying that overall impact is much important than scoring. I agree that Russell is the GOAT :cheers: BTW, I'm not a LeBron fan either.

Yup thats why ive seen lots of bill rusell types winning in this era. Lol

Quality over quantity and scoring>>everything else. If you dont agree, just ask bran why he went to wade and now irving

[Nashty]

Yup thats why ive seen lots of bill rusell types winning in this era. Lol

Quality over quantity and scoring>>everything else. If you dont agree, just ask bran why he went to wade and now irving

Name me a few Bill Russell types in this era please.

[SexSymbol]

Name me a few Bill Russell types in this era please.
that was sarcasm as obviously indicated by the "lol" at the end of the sentence and the next sentence that followed it.
you're a retard

[Quickening]

that was sarcasm as obviously indicated by the "lol" at the end of the sentence and the next sentence that followed it.
you're a retard

I am pretty sure he was being serious as confirmed by his next sentence you retard

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah, and he's the greatest player of all time. Your point?
LeBron is 2/6

noooo Kobe fans went too far again :lol

[GimmeThat]

put Kobe on a floor with 4 other SGs and he's the best player

put Nash on a floor with 4 other players, and he's the best player

put Gasol on a floor with 4 other big man, and he makes the most decisions
put Gasol on a floor with 4 other players, and they discover which type of 2 way players they are

[TheMarkMadsen]

This garbage thread has been made before...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239681

.. and it has been discredited before...

_______

Game 1 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 20 point lead at the end of the 3rd:

Pau : 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 6-11 fg%

Kobe: 26 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 9-16 fg%

_______

Game 6 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 60-40 lead with 6.23 left in the 3rd:

Pau : 9 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 4-9 fg%

Kobe: 18 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 7-13 fg%

http://replygif.net/i/573.gif


OP continues to get destroyed

[branslowski]

This garbage thread has been made before...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239681

.. and it has been discredited before...

_______

Game 1 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 20 point lead at the end of the 3rd:

Pau : 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 6-11 fg%

Kobe: 26 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 9-16 fg%

_______

Game 6 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 60-40 lead with 6.23 left in the 3rd:

Pau : 9 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 4-9 fg%

Kobe: 18 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 7-13 fg%

http://replygif.net/i/573.gif

Why even post this? OP's whole point to this thread is to troll. Kobe clearly outplayed Gasol in the playoffs and Finals. Kobe's the one who gives Gasol open looks. Anyone who know's ball knows this. Kobe is Factually a 2 Time Finals MVP, it's fact, why even respond to a moron trying to hype Gasol up?...I was on these sites back when Gasol was on the Grizzlies and the only true Pau fans were Grizz fans....Now all of a sudden to discredit Kobe, Gasol picks up a sh!t load of fans who overrate him inwhich 90% hate Kobe.

In reality, Gasol played solid for us, better than the rest of the supporting cast by a mile, and I enjoyed watching the Kobe/Gasol combo go ham...But ppl acting like Gasol>>Kobe are clearly trolling...Mostly butthurt LeBron stans like the OP who can't deal with the FACT that Bron is 2/6 in the Finals.

Sorry op, you can't change the past or the present.

But if this is how you deal with your PTSD op then hopefully you can get well soon. I remember when Kobe and the Lakers loss by 39pts to the Celtics...I was pissed off at Kobe and our interior defense, i was butthurt and started throwing shade towards Jordan stans daily. It was how I dealt with the depression. I also smoked alot of loud, drank alot, and got pointless pusse. The pain of 2/6 will fade soon kid, just hang in there.

[Nashty]

Regular Season
Pau Gasol: 22.9 PER, 5.4 BPM
Kobe Bryant: 21.9 PER, 3.6 BPM

Playoffs
Pau Gasol: 24 PER, 6.3 BPM
Kobe Bryant: 24.7 PER, 5.9 BPM

Finals
Pau Gasol: 26.5 PER, 18.6 GmSc
Kobe Bryant: 25.7 PER, 18.7 Gmsc

Game 7 GmSc
Pau Gasol: 19.2
Kobe Bryant: 9.9

[knicksman]

Regular Season
Pau Gasol: 22.9 PER, 5.4 BPM
Kobe Bryant: 21.9 PER, 3.6 BPM

Playoffs
Pau Gasol: 24 PER, 6.3 BPM
Kobe Bryant: 24.7 PER, 5.9 BPM

Finals
Pau Gasol: 26.5 PER, 18.6 GmSc
Kobe Bryant: 25.7 PER, 18.7 Gmsc

Game 7 GmSc
Pau Gasol: 19.2
Kobe Bryant: 9.9


Youre a proven retard bro so stop. Lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Regular Season
Pau Gasol: 22.9 PER, 5.4 BPM
Kobe Bryant: 21.9 PER, 3.6 BPM

Playoffs
Pau Gasol: 24 PER, 6.3 BPM
Kobe Bryant: 24.7 PER, 5.9 BPM

Finals
Pau Gasol: 26.5 PER, 18.6 GmSc
Kobe Bryant: 25.7 PER, 18.7 Gmsc

Game 7 GmSc
Pau Gasol: 19.2
Kobe Bryant: 9.9

Starting to believe this is an AW alt. :facepalm

[Showtime2001]

Good post

Kobe fan here, but I readily admit that the 2010 FMVP was a travesty
http://images.vectorhq.com/images/previews/723/kobe-bryant-2010-finals-mvp-psd-450904.png
http://s2.postimg.org/59erfjc4p/9t_ZCa_zps27d735f8.jpg

[TheBigVeto]

David Stern was the Lakers' MVP for that playoff series.
Gasol was 2nd best.

[Droid101]

David Stern was the Lakers' MVP for that playoff series.
Gasol was 2nd best.
All these salty bitches in this thread.

Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pau.

I'm glad Pau was a great contributor to two Laker rings, but get real.

[Nashty]

Stats don't lie my friends.

Gasol > Kobe in 2010.

[TheMarkMadsen]

9 page thread about the guy averaging 19/11 being better than the guy averaging 31/6/7 on 59% TS over the last 18 games of the playoffs

:oldlol: :oldlol:

2/6 got em shook

[Ne 1]

Stats don't lie my friends.

Gasol > Kobe in 2010.
Mark Twain said it best: "there are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, dammed lies and statistics."

[Nashty]

9 page thread about the guy averaging 19/11 being better than the guy averaging 31/6/7 on 59% TS over the last 18 games of the playoffs

:oldlol: :oldlol:

2/6 got em shook

Why are you Kobe stans so insecure that you must bring up 2/6 even though this thread has nothing to do with LeBron?

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll admit, on a 2nd note, its still Gasol > Kobe, but with that finals game 6 its all a bit closer now.. :cheers:

[TrueBlue89]

Great thread. :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

Now THIS is the epitome of "rent free."

OP absolutely destroyed by Kobe.

:roll: :facepalm

[ShaqTwizzle]

Gasol was better then Kobe in the 1st round against OKC.

_________________________________________________


Against Utah in the 2nd round they were both great.

Kobe : 31 / 4 / 6-apg / 0.8-spg on 61%TS
Gasol : 24 / 15 / 3-apg / 2.8-bpg on 68%TS

Not a big gap here.

_________________________________________________


Kobe was better against Phoenix (3rd round) but Pau was pretty good in most of the games.

_________________________________________________


Then we have the Finals against Boston.
These are their stats in the 4 Laker wins.

Kobe : 26 / 10 on 37%FG
3.7-APG / 2.75 TOV

Gasol : 19 / 14 on 46%FG
5.0-APG / 1.75 TOV
***
+2.5-BPG

http://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/photo.jpg

Food for thought.

[HOoopCityJones]

Great thread. :applause:

New alt AW?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Despite playing with a bad knee that required fluid to be drained, Bean had better overall raw numbers, higher RAPM (advanced individual impact), and more memorable games.

Dude was better than Gasol and it's not even arguable.

[HOoopCityJones]

People forget Game 6 of that Celtics series, Kobe went nuts.

[kennethgriffin]

yeah yeah 'why do this they played on the same team' well here it goes..

1st Round vs Oklahoma City Thunder

G1:
Gasol: 19/13/3 on 50% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 21/2/3 on 31% (5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 17/15/6 on 58%
Kobe: 24/4/8 on 34%

Gasol > Kobe

G4:
Gasol: 13/4/3 on 50%
Kobe: 12/3/4 on 50%

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 25/11/5 on 63%
Kobe: 13/3/7 on 44%

Gasol > Kobe

G6:
Gasol: 9/18/3 on 36%
Kobe: 32/7/3 on 48% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

1st Round Summary (6 Games)
Gasol better in 4/6 Games

2nd Round vs Utah Jazz

G1:
Gasol: 25/12/4 on 60% + 5 Blocks
Kobe: 31/3/4 on 63%

Gasol > Kobe (Close, but 9 Rebound Gap, 5 Blocks and Kobe with TO/PF Edge)

G2:
Gasol: 22/15(5 offensive)/2 on 64% (6 TO's)
Kobe: 30/5/8 on 45% + 3 Blocks (7 TO's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 14/17(7 offensive)/3 on 50% shooting
Kobe : 35 / 4 / 7 | 54% shooting

Kobe > Gasol (Close, PG has a fine case with 17 Rebounds/7 Off. Reb.! But scoring..)

G4:
Gasol: 33/14(7 offensive)/2 on 67%
Kobe: 32/3/4 on 47%

Gasol > Kobe

2nd Round Summary (4 Games)
Gasol better in 3/4 Games

Conference Finals vs Pheonix Suns

G1:
Gasol: 25/4/5 on 77%
Kobe: 40/5/5 on 55%

Kobe > Gasol

G2:
Gasol: 29/9/5 on 58%
Kobe: 21/5/13 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 23/9/2 on 79%
Kobe: 36/9/11 on 54% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 15/5/3 on 43% + 4 Blocks
Kobe: 38/7/10 on 68%

Kobe > Gasol

G5:
Gasol: 21/9/5 on 50%
Kobe: 30/11/9 on 44% + 4 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 9/7/2 on 22%
Kobe: 37/6/2 on 48%

Kobe > Gasol

Conference Finals Summary ( 6 Games)
Kobe better in 5/6 Games

Finals vs Boston Celtics

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/8/3/ on 70% + 6 Blocks
Kobe: 21/5/6 on 40% + 4 Steals (5 TO's+5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 13/10/4 on 46%
Kobe: 29/7/4 on 34% + 3 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46%
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe

Turnovers:
Kobe: 28
Gasol: 13

*only noted 3+ Blocks/Steals and 5+ TO's / PF's

Finals Summary (7 Games)
Gasol better in 4/7 Games

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2010 Playoff Summary (23 Games)

1st Round: Gasol > Kobe
2nd Round: Gasol > Kobe
Conference Finals: Kobe > Gasol
Finals: Gasol > Kobe

Gasol better in 3/4 Series'
Kobe better in 1/4 Series'

Gasol better in 12/23 Games
Kobe better in 9/23 Games

Gasol > Kobe in 2010 Playoffs

--

Which ones would you disagree with?




Didnt even bother reading.. sonce its all opinion and biased favoritism towards rebounds over points


But seriously.. nearly every play the lakers ran was through kobe

Gasol ate up all those wide open set shots at the top of the key due to kobes initial double or presence


Kobe was the man.. revisionist history wont change that. No sane person would ever utter this idea in public. Ever

[Magic 32]

Then we have the Finals against Boston.
These are their stats in the 4 Laker wins.

Kobe : 26 / 10 on 37%FG
3.7-APG / 2.75 TOV

Gasol : 19 / 14 on 46%FG
5.0-APG / 1.75 TOV
***
+2.5-BPG

Food for thought.

Well thought is not needed. Just watch game 1 and game 6 again.

Specifically the 4th quarter in both of these blowouts.

[ShaqTwizzle]

But seriously.. nearly every play the lakers ran was through kobe


That is complete bull Kenny.
The Laker's offense was built heavily around Gasol in 2010 and was not nearly as Kobe-centric as it was in 08 and to a lesser extent in 09.

That Laker team consistently ran the triangle through Gasol in the post and consistently threw the ball down and relied on him to either score or create for others including many, many times in pressure/4th quarter situations.
They'd throw the ball down to Gasol and he'd create a bucket, period. He scored many clutch baskets in that run.

In 2008 your statement might have had some merit but in 2010 Gasol was basically the co-leader of the offense even if Kobe had the bigger role of the two by a noticeably but not overly large degree.


Kobe floated around the court with Angel wings. He scored all the Laker points and any points Gasoft the scrub worst player in the league scored were hand fed like a baby bird by Kobe.
revisionist history wont change that.

No. You mention sanity but you are insane if you believe that.
Go back and watch the games.
That offense was a two headed monster built around both of them.

[HOoopCityJones]

"Co leader of the offense"

[ShaqTwizzle]

Well thought is not needed. Just watch game 1 and game 6 again.

Specifically the 4th quarter in both of these blowouts.

Eh.
You are implying that Gasol did most of his damage once the game was out of reach.

However I have never heard anyone say that about G6.
I have heard it about G1 but I don't know if it is even true.

I am looking back at the gamelog and it seems that Gasol did most of his damage before the game was blown out.
His last bucket (FG) in the 3rd quarter came when their lead was only 9.

He then scored 1 more pt before the quarter ended on a FT.
Then in the 4th he scored 5pts while Kobe scored 4pts.

So yeah... gotta review it more but I don't see that argument panning out.

_____________________

Edit :::
I checked out G6 also.
LAL did blow them out by half-time.

So I compared their performance only over the first half.

Gasol : 8pts / 8 rebounds / 5 assists
Kobe : 15pts / 5 rebounds / 2 assists

Not a big gap there.

[SexSymbol]

yeah yeah 'why do this they played on the same team' well here it goes..

1st Round vs Oklahoma City Thunder

G1:
Gasol: 19/13/3 on 50% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 21/2/3 on 31% (5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 17/15/6 on 58%
Kobe: 24/4/8 on 34%

Gasol > Kobe

G4:
Gasol: 13/4/3 on 50%
Kobe: 12/3/4 on 50%

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 25/11/5 on 63%
Kobe: 13/3/7 on 44%

Gasol > Kobe

G6:
Gasol: 9/18/3 on 36%
Kobe: 32/7/3 on 48% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

1st Round Summary (6 Games)
Gasol better in 4/6 Games

2nd Round vs Utah Jazz

G1:
Gasol: 25/12/4 on 60% + 5 Blocks
Kobe: 31/3/4 on 63%

Gasol > Kobe (Close, but 9 Rebound Gap, 5 Blocks and Kobe with TO/PF Edge)

G2:
Gasol: 22/15(5 offensive)/2 on 64% (6 TO's)
Kobe: 30/5/8 on 45% + 3 Blocks (7 TO's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 14/17(7 offensive)/3 on 50% shooting
Kobe : 35 / 4 / 7 | 54% shooting

Kobe > Gasol (Close, PG has a fine case with 17 Rebounds/7 Off. Reb.! But scoring..)

G4:
Gasol: 33/14(7 offensive)/2 on 67%
Kobe: 32/3/4 on 47%

Gasol > Kobe

2nd Round Summary (4 Games)
Gasol better in 3/4 Games

Conference Finals vs Pheonix Suns

G1:
Gasol: 25/4/5 on 77%
Kobe: 40/5/5 on 55%

Kobe > Gasol

G2:
Gasol: 29/9/5 on 58%
Kobe: 21/5/13 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 23/9/2 on 79%
Kobe: 36/9/11 on 54% (5 TO's)

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 15/5/3 on 43% + 4 Blocks
Kobe: 38/7/10 on 68%

Kobe > Gasol

G5:
Gasol: 21/9/5 on 50%
Kobe: 30/11/9 on 44% + 4 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 9/7/2 on 22%
Kobe: 37/6/2 on 48%

Kobe > Gasol

Conference Finals Summary ( 6 Games)
Kobe better in 5/6 Games

Finals vs Boston Celtics

G1:
Gasol: 23/14(8 offensive)/3 on 57% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 30/7/6 on 45%

Gasol > Kobe

G2:
Gasol: 25/8/3/ on 70% + 6 Blocks
Kobe: 21/5/6 on 40% + 4 Steals (5 TO's+5 PF's)

Gasol > Kobe

G3:
Gasol: 13/10/4 on 46%
Kobe: 29/7/4 on 34% + 3 Blocks

Kobe > Gasol

G4:
Gasol: 21/6/3 on 46%
Kobe: 33/6/2 on 45% (7 TO's+5 PF's)

Wash

G5:
Gasol: 12/12(7 offensive)/0 on 42%
Kobe: 38/5/4 on 48% (5 PF's)

Kobe > Gasol

G6:
Gasol: 17/13(5 offensive)/9 on 44% + 3 Blocks
Kobe: 26/11/3 on 47% + 4 Steals

Gasol > Kobe

G7:
Gasol: 19/18(9 offensive)/4 on 38%
Kobe: 23/15/2 on 25%

Gasol > Kobe

Turnovers:
Kobe: 28
Gasol: 13

*only noted 3+ Blocks/Steals and 5+ TO's / PF's

Finals Summary (7 Games)
Gasol better in 4/7 Games

------------------------------------------------------------

2010 Playoff Summary (23 Games)

1st Round: Gasol > Kobe
2nd Round: Gasol > Kobe
Conference Finals: Kobe > Gasol
Finals: Gasol > Kobe

Gasol better in 3/4 Series'
Kobe better in 1/4 Series'

Gasol better in 12/23 Games
Kobe better in 9/23 Games

Gasol > Kobe in 2010 Playoffs

--

Which ones would you disagree with?

Bolded are stupid and completely wrong.

You basically give the edge to gasol based on rebounds which is completely the most bullshit thing you could think of. A good big man gets 6-7 rebounds every game where nobody contests him, those rebounds don't mean anything, they have no value besides +1 on rebound category.
You seem to ignore points which obviously suits your agenda.
This is a horribly incorrect comparison of stats and impact

[ShaqTwizzle]

Bolded are stupid and completely wrong

You're nuts if you think Gasol wasn't better in G7 VS BOS.
:biggums:

He was absolutely the MVP of that game by a very clear margin and he was the best player in the 4th quarter to boot scoring 9pts while grabbing some key rebounds and making some huge clutch defensive plays including a vicious block on Pierce right at the rim towards the very end when the score was either tied or within a bucket or two.

Also rebounding matters.... alot.
Gasols ability to control the boards especially on the offensive end was a significant part of their success and an X-factor for them.
Gasol saved countless wasted offensive possesions by grabbing offensive boards.

[SexSymbol]

You're nuts if you think Gasol wasn't better in G7 VS BOS.
:biggums:

He was absolutely the MVP of that game by a very clear margin and he was the best player in the 4th quarter to boot scoring 9pts while grabbing some key rebounds and making some huge clutch defensive plays including a vicious block on Pierce right at the rim towards the very end when the score was either tied or within a bucket or two.

He wasn't the best player in the 4th quarter, Kobe scored 10 points, assisted artest on the single most important basket that night and sealed the deal with two clutch free throws with half a minute left in the game.

That block you're talking about was when the lakers were winning by 4, that's a good play, but it's not some groundbreaking stuff that is worth mentioning in these kind of comparisons.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Kobe was probably the better player but even their stans should accept that Pau was a beast and the impact of both players was equal. Gasol deserves more support and respect than He got it in LA. He earned it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe was probably the better player but even their stans should accept that Pau was a beast and the impact of both players was equal. Gasol deserves more support and respect than He got it in LA. He earned it.

The impact from both players was absolutely NOT equal.

http://www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/rapm/2010-rapm/

People need to respect what Gasol brought to the table, but Gasol fans and Kobe "haters" also need to keep it in check. Don't overrate the guy by putting him in that LeBron, Wade and Kobe tier.

[theoneneo]

Kobe was probably the better player but even their stans should accept that Pau was a beast and the impact of both players was equal. Gasol deserves more support and respect than He got it in LA. He earned it.

The thing is, Kobe "Stans" don't put Gasol down. It's a thing Kobe haters say to create more shitty threads, same thing with the Kobe>Jordan shit, Kobe fans know he's not greater it's the haters who have created this BS to try to bash him.

[ShaqTwizzle]

The impact from both players was absolutely NOT equal.

http://www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/rapm/2010-rapm/


RAPM also says that Shaq had literally twice Kobe's impact in 2003.
I doubt you would agree with that.

That said I don't mind it being mentioned but just because it might support Kobe (does playoff RAPM even exist?) doesn't nessasarily mean anything.


Don't overrate the guy by putting him in that LeBron, Wade and Kobe tier.

I sort of agree however 2010 Kobe was not fully healthy and he was clearly past his Peak (especially on the defensive end) and this was Pau at his absolute Peak.
So that should be considered.

I am not even saying Kobe wasn't better but it is closer then many Kobe fans would likely believe.

[Gileraracer]

old thread, nevermind

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

RAPM also says that Shaq had literally twice Kobe's impact in 2003.
I doubt you would agree with that.

That said I don't mind it being mentioned but just because it might support Kobe (does playoff RAPM even exist?) doesn't nessasarily mean anything.

Kobe nearly played 900 more minutes (total) than Shaq, so you have to adjust for that. I would agree that Shaq was every bit as valuable on offense, and still a capable defender (more impact than Kobe).

Also, I'm not sure playoff RAPM exists, but I would definitely like to see it. The link I just posted combines the regular-season AND playoffs.

[Doranku]

34 posts a day over the course of nearly two years for OP, and every single one of them is shittier or as shitty as this thread. :biggums:

Maybe you should worry less about Kobe and more about getting some sunlight.

[ArbitraryWater]

Still legit :applause:

Thanks for the bump

[riseagainst]

:applause:

[stalkerforlife]

34 posts a day over the course of nearly two years for OP, and every single one of them is shittier or as shitty as this thread. :biggums:

Maybe you should worry less about Kobe and more about getting some sunlight.

Over 24,000 posts in a year. :lol

OP needs an intervention.

[Magic 32]

Eh.
You are implying that Gasol did most of his damage once the game was out of reach.

However I have never heard anyone say that about G6.
I have heard it about G1 but I don't know if it is even true.

I am looking back at the gamelog and it seems that Gasol did most of his damage before the game was blown out.
His last bucket (FG) in the 3rd quarter came when their lead was only 9.

He then scored 1 more pt before the quarter ended on a FT.
Then in the 4th he scored 5pts while Kobe scored 4pts.

So yeah... gotta review it more but I don't see that argument panning out.

_____________________

Edit :::
I checked out G6 also.
LAL did blow them out by half-time.

So I compared their performance only over the first half.

Gasol : 8pts / 8 rebounds / 5 assists
Kobe : 15pts / 5 rebounds / 2 assists

Not a big gap there.

From 3 pages back...


This garbage thread has been made before...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239681

.. and it has been discredited before...

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Game 1 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 20 point lead at the end of the 3rd:

Pau : 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 6-11 fg%

Kobe: 26 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 9-16 fg%

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Game 6 of the Finals - Before the Lakers gets a 60-40 lead with 6.23 left in the 3rd:

Pau : 9 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 4-9 fg%

Kobe: 18 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 7-13 fg%

http://replygif.net/i/573.gif

And Artest was the G7 MVP.

[DMV2]

Yeah, Gasol was better overall in the playoffs but not in the Finals. F-MVP was rightfully Kobe's.

The reason is because Gasol didn't show up in the Boston games. He was only good at home games. If Gasol showed up in the Nate+Big Baby game, the series ends in 6 like it should have. You don't deserve FMVP if you sucked ass on the road.

I give the Celtics a lot of credit for displaying the heart of a champion but they were clearly the much inferior team. The Lakers didn't play to their full potential.

[ShaqTwizzle]

From 3 pages back...

Seems we have different cut-off points in regards to when those game became blowouts.

I personally still see no reason to discredit Pau's play in either of those two games we discussed based on my own analysis.
Agree to disagree.

:cheers:

[SexSymbol]

RAPM also says that Shaq had literally twice Kobe's impact in 2003.
I doubt you would agree with that.

That said I don't mind it being mentioned but just because it might support Kobe (does playoff RAPM even exist?) doesn't nessasarily mean anything.



I sort of agree however 2010 Kobe was not fully healthy and he was clearly past his Peak (especially on the defensive end) and this was Pau at his absolute Peak.
So that should be considered.

I am not even saying Kobe wasn't better but it is closer then many Kobe fans would likely believe.

this is complete horseshit.
He was a great defender in 2010, atg level

[ArbitraryWater]

this is complete horseshit.
He was a great defender in 2010, atg level

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/GIFs/b202910020_zpskkn5gyhi.gif (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/MaleRuler/media/GIFs/b202910020_zpskkn5gyhi.gif.html)

[ShaqTwizzle]

this is complete horseshit.
He was a great defender in 2010, atg level

Kobe was an excellent defender from 08-09 but in 2010 he declined physically and was no longer a good defender.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe was an excellent defender from 08-09 but in 2010 he declined physically and was no longer a good defender.
That's not what I'm saying, he wasn't a good defender in regular season or first three rounds, but his defense in the finals was excellent, he brought it when it mattered. Even in G7, that's some of the best defense ever player, which gets overlooked by many.

[Odinn]

That's not what I'm saying, he wasn't a good defender in regular season or first three rounds, but his defense in the finals was excellent, he brought it when it mattered. Even in G7, that's some of the best defense ever player, which gets overlooked by many.
Playing much better than average of himself doesn't qualify as one of the best ever.

[SexSymbol]

Playing much better than average of himself doesn't qualify as one of the best ever.
Yes it doesn't, but it has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[riseagainst]

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/GIFs/b202910020_zpskkn5gyhi.gif (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/MaleRuler/media/GIFs/b202910020_zpskkn5gyhi.gif.html)


:lol

[ShaqTwizzle]

That's not what I'm saying, he wasn't a good defender in regular season or first three rounds, but his defense in the finals was excellent, he brought it when it mattered. Even in G7, that's some of the best defense ever player, which gets overlooked by many.

Well if you watched the series and felt that way I can respect that.
I just hope you based that opinion on what you watched and not on that dumbass Doc quote.

[SexSymbol]

Well if you watched the series and felt that way I can respect that.
I just hope you based that opinion on what you watched and not on that dumbass Doc quote.
I haven't read the quote tbh, don't even know what quote you're talking about.
It's the best I've seen him defend, he was maybe off on defense for one game, can't remember which one was that, the one that Allen went off, because Kobe was switching with fisher, and in the beginning of the game on some missed rotations they allowed him to get going so later on when they started playing good defense it didn't really matter.
But by the next game Kobe's defense was perfect again. Man was on a mission, people don't give him enough credit for the series, 28/8/4 with a broken finger and great defense is not something to mess with. There's only a handful of performances since 2006 that are on that level, Dirk in 2011, LeBron in 12, that's pretty much it.

[ArbitraryWater]

I haven't read the quote tbh, don't even know what quote you're talking about.
It's the best I've seen him defend, he was maybe off on defense for one game, can't remember which one was that, the one that Allen went off, because Kobe was switching with fisher, and in the beginning of the game on some missed rotations they allowed him to get going so later on when they started playing good defense it didn't really matter.
But by the next game Kobe's defense was perfect again. Man was on a mission, people don't give him enough credit for the series, 28/8/4 with a broken finger and great defense is not something to mess with. There's only a handful of performances since 2006 that are on that level, Dirk in 2011, LeBron in 12, that's pretty much it.

weeezus so much hyperbole :roll:

Its not good that Im more surprised by you actually mentioning LeBron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1iqLjTa3gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9xkZ3vcZKE

sure some perfect defense by Kobe there :oldlol:

[SexSymbol]

weeezus so much hyperbole :roll:

Its not good that Im more surprised by you actually mentioning LeBron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1iqLjTa3gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9xkZ3vcZKE

sure some perfect defense by Kobe there :oldlol:
I mentioned that we're only talking about finals, yet you still bring up wcf, where he dominated offensively, how retarded are you actually, man? No wonder that you can't get a gf with those looks. You're like a .44 magnum with no bullets in it, looks good and cool, but is completely useless.
Why would you be surprised that i mention LeBron, he's a great player. You're insecure.

And to top your retardness off, you bring up coach nick videos. That's a man who doesn't even understand the basic principles of basketball, and still dares to call himself a coach. Here in european coaching circles, many people that know him just laugh at him.

[Showtime2001]

The thing is, Kobe "Stans" don't put Gasol down. It's a thing Kobe haters say to create more shitty threads, same thing with the Kobe>Jordan shit, Kobe fans know he's not greater it's the haters who have created this BS to try to bash him.
This.

[ArbitraryWater]

I mentioned that we're only talking about finals, yet you still bring up wcf, where he dominated offensively, how retarded are you actually, man? No wonder that you can't get a gf with those looks. You're like a .44 magnum with no bullets in it, looks good and cool, but is completely useless.
Why would you be surprised that i mention LeBron, he's a great player. You're insecure.

And to top your retardness off, you bring up coach nick videos. That's a man who doesn't even understand the basic principles of basketball, and still dares to call himself a coach. Here in european coaching circles, many people that know him just laugh at him.


The way you write is cute, I can smell dat anger over the keyboard :lol

really hit the nail on the head with the bolded :applause:

[SexSymbol]

The way you write is cute, I can smell dat anger over the keyboard :lol

really hit the nail on the head with the bolded :applause:
Why would I be angry, it's an anonymous internet board.
seriously, stop being so insecure

[ArbitraryWater]

Why would I be angry, it's an anonymous internet board.
seriously, stop being so insecure

Why would I be insecure, it's an anonymous internet board.
seriously, stop being so angry

[SexSymbol]

Why would I be insecure, it's an anonymous internet board.
seriously, stop being so angry
cringe