MJ v.s. Kobe v.s. LeBron NBA Finals Series Scoring, By The #s

[SamuraiSWISH]

PPG:

MJ 41.0 ppg (.508 FG%) ~ 1993 (W)
MJ 35.8 ppg (.526 FG%) ~ 1992 (W)
LeBron 35.8 ppg (.398 FG%) ~ 2015 (L)
MJ 33.5 ppg (.427 FG%) ~ 1998 (W)
MJ 32.3 ppg (.456 FG%) ~ 1997 (W)
MJ 31.2 ppg (.558 FG%) ~ 1991 (W)
Kobe 32.4 ppg (.430 FG%) ~ 2009 (W)
LeBron 28.6 (.472 FG%) ~ 2012 (W)
LeBron 28.2 (.571 FG%) ~ 2014 (L)
Kobe 28.6 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2010 (W)
Kobe 26.8 ppg (.514 FG%) ~ 2002 (W)
MJ 27.1 ppg (.415 FG%) ~ 1996 (W)
Kobe 25.7 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2008 (L)
LeBron 25.3 ppg (.447 FG%) ~ 2013 (W)
Kobe 24.6 ppg (.415 FG%) ~ 2001 (W)
LeBron 17.8 ppg (.478 FG%) ~ 2011 (L)
Kobe 22.6 ppg (.381 FG%) ~ 2004 (L)
LeBron 22.0 ppg (.356 FG%) ~ 2007 (L)
Kobe 15.6 ppg (.367 FG%) ~ 2000 (W)

[dubeta]

So overall

PPG:

1) MJ

2) Lebron

3) Kobe


Reb:

1) Lebron

2) MJ

3) Kobe


Assist

1) Lebron

2) MJ

3) Kobe



Overall Finals Performer

1) Lebron

2) MJ

3) Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

Overall Finals Performer

1) Lebron

2) MJ

3) Kobe

How many Finals MVP's does each have?

[dubeta]

How many Finals MVP's does each have?


Both have been the best overall player 5/6 times


The difference is one had a consistent Pippen-level performer in each finals, while the other didn't


:confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

Both have been the best overall player 5/6 times


The difference is one had a consistent Pippen-level performer in each finals, while the other didn't


:confusedshrug:

Lol, LeBron was not the best player in '07 or especially '11

[Magic 32]

Worst defensive teams?

2002 Nets
1998 Jazz
2015 Warriors
1991 Lakers

[SamuraiSWISH]

Accurate Picture ...

PPG:

1) MJ (41.0 ppg)
2) LeBron (35.8 ppg)
3) Kobe (32.4 ppg)

APG:

1) MJ (11.4 apg)
2) LeBron (8.8 apg)
3) Kobe (7.4 apg)

RPG:

1) LeBron (13.3 rpg)
2) MJ (8.5 rpg)
3) Kobe (8.0 rpg)


Finals Performances:

1) MJ

2) LeBron
3) Kobe

Rings:

1) MJ 6/6 (6x FMVP)
2) Kobe 5/7 (2x FMVP)

3) LeBron 2/6 (2x FMVP)

[Magic 32]

Accurate Picture ...

PPG:

1) MJ (41.0 ppg)
2) LeBron (35.8 ppg)
3) Kobe (32.4 ppg)

APG:

1) MJ (11.4 apg)
2) LeBron (8.8 apg)
3) Kobe (7.4 apg)

RPG:

1) LeBron (13.3 rpg)
2) MJ (8.5 rpg)
3) Kobe (8.0 rpg)


Finals Performances:

1) MJ

2) LeBron
3) Kobe

Rings:

1) MJ 6/6 (6x FMVP)
2) Kobe 5/7 (2x FMVP)

3) LeBron 2/6 (2x FMVP)

"The only stats that matters are winning stats" - Charley Rosen

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/...ticleLarge.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

A Jordan fan should know better.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Worst defensive teams?

2002 Nets
1998 Jazz
2015 Warriors
1991 Lakers
2000 Pacers weren't amazing defensively either.

1991 Lakers were ranked top five in the league that season. 2009 Magic were just as overrated as the 2015 Warriors. Beyond Dwight Howard, who padded their defensive statistics ... kind of pedestrian.

The best defenses out of these teams faced in the Finals were:

'96 Sonics, 2004 Pistons, 2008 Celtics, 2010 Celtics, 2007 Spurs


"The only stats that matters are winning stats" - Charley Rosen

A Jordan fan should know better.
The hell are you smoking? Performance, and winning is what matters in this comparison of individual all-time greats. And see the final comparison category ...

[Magic 32]

1991 Lakers were ranked top five in the league that season.

Well, we know how much that is worth.

I have seen 80% of the games from 1990-91 and the backcourt was awful defensively.

Scott and Magic could not stop a nosebleed.

[Magic 32]

The hell are you smoking? Performance, and winning is what matters in this comparison of individual all-time greats. And see the final comparison category ...

So you think Lebron played winning basketball in 2014 and 2015?

[dubeta]

Accurate Picture ...

PPG:

1) MJ (41.0 ppg)
2) LeBron (35.8 ppg)
3) Kobe (32.4 ppg)

APG:

1) MJ (11.4 apg)
2) LeBron (8.8 apg)
3) Kobe (7.4 apg)

RPG:

1) LeBron (13.3 rpg)
2) MJ (8.5 rpg)
3) Kobe (8.0 rpg)


Finals Performances:

1) MJ

2) LeBron
3) Kobe

Rings:

1) MJ 6/6 (6x FMVP)
2) Kobe 5/7 (2x FMVP)

3) LeBron 2/6 (2x FMVP)



LoL at using MJs finals high, completely stat padded 11 assists a game as an indicative of his passing ability. That should be taken with a grain of salt as he was trying to 'out pass' Magic. :oldlol:


MJs assists fell off in his second 3-peat. There's no way ur arguing MJ is a better overall finals assist man than LeBron


Scoring

1) MJ

2) Lebron


But Reb and Assists clearly go to LeBron


Overall Lebron is a better finals performer than MJ, there's no shame in admitting that. :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

So you think Lebron played winning basketball in 2014 and 2015?
No. Same way Kobe didn't in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

[Magic 32]

Overall I'm a troll, there's no shame in admitting that. :confusedshrug:

True.

[dubeta]

So you think Lebron played winning basketball in 2014 and 2015?


He was winning Finals games with teams Kobe would've lost in the 1st round with, there's no way they overachieve both years without LeBron playing 'winning' basketball


Definately contributed more to winning than Kobes 15ppg on 40% could in the 2000 Finals even though Kobe 'won'

[Magic 32]

No. Same way Kobe didn't in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

Good. So Lebron played bad in 2007 and 2011.

He played non-winning or passive basketball in 2014 and 2015.

And he was nothing special (borderline awful) for most of the 2013 finals.

And yet he ranks over Kobe who played better teams and had legitimate issues when he stunk up the joint (sprined ankle and rape case).

[Legends66NBA7]

Worst defensive teams?

2002 Nets
1998 Jazz
2015 Warriors
1991 Lakers

98 Jazz were ranked like 16th.

02 Nets and 15 Warriors were ranked 1st. 91 Lakers were top 5 but injured come the finals.

[Magic 32]

98 Jazz were ranked like 16th.

02 Nets and 15 Warriors were ranked 1st. 91 Lakers were top 5 but injured come playoff time.

Eye test.

Sort like the Rockets (or the Warriors for that matter).

[dubeta]

Good. So Lebron played bad in 2007 and 2011.

He played bad or passive basketball in 2014 and 2015.

And he was nothing special (borderline awful) for most of the 2013 finals.

And yet he ranks over Kobe who played better teams and had legitimate issues when he stunk up the joint (sprined ankle and rape case).

If lebrons 2014-2015 finals is a benchmark for 'bad', then Kobes best finals would be categorized as 'truly awful'


Kobes best finals are only better than LeBrons 2007 and 2011, while his worst finals even role players would be ashamed to have :confusedshrug:

[PsychoBe]

If lebrons 2014-2015 finals is a benchmark for 'bad', then Kobes best finals would be categorized as 'truly awful'


Kobes best finals are only better than LeBrons 2007 and 2011, while his worst finals even role players would be ashamed to have :confusedshrug:

roleplayers would rather have a shot against bran to win fmvp

[dubeta]

roleplayers would rather have a shot against bran to win fmvp


Jokes played out son, try again

[Magic 32]

If lebrons 2014-2015 finals is a benchmark for 'bad', then Kobes best finals would be categorized as 'truly awful'

Give Kobe 65 iso's every game and you would see insane stats and a loss.

No player has every played more destructive playground basketball in the NBA finals.



Kobes best finals are only better than LeBrons 2007 and 2011, while his worst finals even role players would be ashamed to have :confusedshrug:

2009 > all but but maybe....maybe 2012.

5 good quarters at the end of the 2013 Spurs series not enough. Kobe destroyed those Spurs teams far more convincingly (and back when Manu, Parker and Duncan were not senior citizens).

[BBallZen83]

Give Kobe 65 iso's every game and you would see insane stats and a loss.

No player has every played more destructive playground basketball in the NBA finals.



2009 > all but but maybe....maybe 2012.

5 good quarters at the end of the 2013 Spurs series not enough. Kobe destroyed those Spurs teams far more convincingly (and back when Manu, Parker and Duncan were not senior citizens).

Christ man, can you just put your hate aside to think clearly for one minute. What strategy was going to win the series for the cavs against the warriors with the circumstances the way they were? Seriously smart guy. Tell me.

Lebron was their only shot, and it was a snowball's chance in hell, and they somehow won 2 games. I'd say they massively overachieved. Get the hell outta here with not winning basketball bs. They were never going to win that series with both Love and Kyrie out.

[nzahir]

He was winning Finals games with teams Kobe would've lost in the 1st round with, there's no way they overachieve both years without LeBron playing 'winning' basketball


Definately contributed more to winning than Kobes 15ppg on 40% could in the 2000 Finals even though Kobe 'won'
True, kobe lost twice in the 1st round with a team lebron wouldve taken to the ecf or finals

[dubeta]

True, kobe lost twice in the 1st round with a team lebron wouldve taken to the ecf or finals

This, and before people talk about conference strength, LeBron beat a 50 win team and a 60 win team in the Eastern conference these playoffs

[SexSymbol]

MJ > Kobe >> LeBron
What's there to discuss, common knowledge.

[HOoopCityJones]

No. Same way Kobe didn't in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

https://youtu.be/kabuQv0qyA8

Yea. Ok. :lol

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Jordan is clearly the best finals performer.

LeBron is the best at collecting uncontested rebounds.

[3ball]

PPG:

MJ 41.0 ppg (.508 FG%) ~ 1993 (W)
MJ 35.8 ppg (.526 FG%) ~ 1992 (W)
LeBron 35.8 ppg (.398 FG%) ~ 2015 (L)
MJ 33.5 ppg (.427 FG%) ~ 1998 (W)
MJ 32.3 ppg (.456 FG%) ~ 1997 (W)
Kobe 32.4 ppg (.430 FG%) ~ 2009 (W)
MJ 31.2 ppg (.558 FG%) ~ 1991 (W)
LeBron 28.6 (.472 FG%) ~ 2012 (W)
LeBron 28.2 (.571 FG%) ~ 2014 (L)
Kobe 28.6 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2010 (W)
Kobe 26.8 ppg (.514 FG%) ~ 2002 (W)
Kobe 25.7 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2008 (L)
LeBron 25.3 ppg (.447 FG%) ~ 2013 (W)
MJ 27.1 ppg (.316 FG%) ~ 1996 (W)
Kobe 24.6 ppg (.415 FG%) ~ 2001 (W)
LeBron 17.8 ppg (.478 FG%) ~ 2011 (L)
Kobe 22.6 ppg (.381 FG%) ~ 2004 (L)
LeBron 22.0 ppg (.356 FG%) ~ 2007 (L)
Kobe 15.6 ppg (.367 FG%) ~ 2000 (W)

Would love to see someone rank them in the APG, RPG, SPG, BPG categories as well.


You got MJ's 1996 FG% wrong - he shot 41.5% FG.. That moves MJ up 2 spots.

[Asukal]

It's amazing how after bran went 2/6 and gave 2 FMVPs to role players, the bran family still think he is GOAT material. :whatever:

[Mr Feeny]

PPG:

MJ 41.0 ppg (.508 FG%) ~ 1993 (W)
MJ 35.8 ppg (.526 FG%) ~ 1992 (W)
LeBron 35.8 ppg (.398 FG%) ~ 2015 (L)
MJ 33.5 ppg (.427 FG%) ~ 1998 (W)
MJ 32.3 ppg (.456 FG%) ~ 1997 (W)
Kobe 32.4 ppg (.430 FG%) ~ 2009 (W)
MJ 31.2 ppg (.558 FG%) ~ 1991 (W)
LeBron 28.6 (.472 FG%) ~ 2012 (W)
LeBron 28.2 (.571 FG%) ~ 2014 (L)
Kobe 28.6 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2010 (W)
Kobe 26.8 ppg (.514 FG%) ~ 2002 (W)
Kobe 25.7 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2008 (L)
LeBron 25.3 ppg (.447 FG%) ~ 2013 (W)
MJ 27.1 ppg (.316 FG%) ~ 1996 (W)
Kobe 24.6 ppg (.415 FG%) ~ 2001 (W)
LeBron 17.8 ppg (.478 FG%) ~ 2011 (L)
Kobe 22.6 ppg (.381 FG%) ~ 2004 (L)
LeBron 22.0 ppg (.356 FG%) ~ 2007 (L)
Kobe 15.6 ppg (.367 FG%) ~ 2000 (W)

Would love to see someone rank them in the APG, RPG, SPG, BPG categories as well.

The top 5 finals, scoring 5 are : MJ (4) and Lebron (1). Lebron's is a much better scorer than even most of his fanboys give him credit for. 35 ppg in the finals is no small feat.
41 ppg is just insane and probably won't ever be replicated.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Who's going to get the rebounds?? Sometimes I wonder if this clown play basketball.
Getting a little defensive?

Lebron IS the best out of the 3 at doing that. I was merely stating a fact.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380201

No need for such vitriol, my friend.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Although, to answer your question, even the depleted Cavs had some pretty great rebounders on their team outside of LeBron, such as Thompson and Mozgov.

Hope that helps :cheers: :rockon:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

The top 5 finals, scoring 5 are : MJ (4) and Lebron (1). Lebron's is a much better scorer than even most of his fanboys give him credit for. 35 ppg in the finals is no small feat.
41 ppg is just insane and probably won't ever be replicated.
Agreed on all counts.

[Smoke117]

King James >>>>>>>>>>>> MJ >>> Kobrick

[Lebron23]

Getting a little defensive?

Lebron IS the best out of the 3 at doing that. I was merely stating a fact.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380201

No need for such vitriol, my friend.


My Bad. I need to apologize. I was watching the Purge 2.

[ArbitraryWater]

Good. So Lebron played bad in 2007 and 2011.

He played non-winning or passive basketball in 2014 and 2015.

And he was nothing special (borderline awful) for most of the 2013 finals.

And yet he ranks over Kobe who played better teams and had legitimate issues when he stunk up the joint (sprined ankle and rape case).

This is the new thing now? Because he didn't play bad we're gonna label that 'non winning basketball' ? :roll: :roll:

Cracking me up.

[SamuraiSWISH]

You got MJ's 1996 FG% wrong - he shot 41.5% FG.. That moves MJ up 2 spots.
You're right, my fault. I was going to say he shot bad but not like LeBron 2007 level putrid. That does move him up two spots. Actually MJ's '91 Finals of 31 ppg, on blistering efficiency from the field should be higher than Kobe's 2009 wig just 1 higher ppg as well. Thanks for catching my mistake.

[Rocketswin2013]

Better to use TS% rather than just FG% if you're comparing scoring...

[jzek]

6 for 6
6 FMVPs

^ all that matters.

Kobe may have 5 rings but how many FMVPs? Why so few? Oh yeah, Shaq did the heavy lifting, that's why.

[LAZERUSS]

The top 5 finals, scoring 5 are : MJ (4) and Lebron (1). Lebron's is a much better scorer than even most of his fanboys give him credit for. 35 ppg in the finals is no small feat.
41 ppg is just insane and probably won't ever be replicated.

Shaq had 38.0 and 36.3.

[SwayDizzle]

We all know MJ is the greatest…
Then Kobe…
Then leblowjob

[Magic 32]

Because he didn't play bad we're gonna label that 'non winning basketball' ? :roll: :roll:


You can call it bad basketball if you like. Or pathetic street ball.

But I didn't want to offend the stat whores (.....you?) who thinks he played "well".

2014 was just weird.

[sportjames23]

PPG:

MJ 41.0 ppg (.508 FG%) ~ 1993 (W)
MJ 35.8 ppg (.526 FG%) ~ 1992 (W)
LeBron 35.8 ppg (.398 FG%) ~ 2015 (L)
MJ 33.5 ppg (.427 FG%) ~ 1998 (W)
MJ 32.3 ppg (.456 FG%) ~ 1997 (W)
MJ 31.2 ppg (.558 FG%) ~ 1991 (W)
Kobe 32.4 ppg (.430 FG%) ~ 2009 (W)
LeBron 28.6 (.472 FG%) ~ 2012 (W)
LeBron 28.2 (.571 FG%) ~ 2014 (L)
Kobe 28.6 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2010 (W)
Kobe 26.8 ppg (.514 FG%) ~ 2002 (W)
MJ 27.1 ppg (.415 FG%) ~ 1996 (W)
Kobe 25.7 ppg (.405 FG%) ~ 2008 (L)
LeBron 25.3 ppg (.447 FG%) ~ 2013 (W)
Kobe 24.6 ppg (.415 FG%) ~ 2001 (W)
LeBron 17.8 ppg (.478 FG%) ~ 2011 (L)
Kobe 22.6 ppg (.381 FG%) ~ 2004 (L)
LeBron 22.0 ppg (.356 FG%) ~ 2007 (L)
Kobe 15.6 ppg (.367 FG%) ~ 2000 (W)


Damn, MJ holdin W's while Bron holdin L's. :bowdown:

[sportjames23]

King James >>>>>>>>>>>> MJ >>> Kobrick


King James better at them in holdin on to some L's.

[dubeta]

You can call it bad basketball if you like. Or pathetic street ball.

But I didn't want to offend the stat whores (.....you?) who thinks he played "well".

2014 was just weird.

A Kobe fan seeing a perimeter player shooting 68% TS. Definitely must be wierd. :bowdown:

[nzahir]

A Kobe fan seeing a perimeter player shooting 68% TS. Definitely must be wierd. :bowdown:
:applause:

We are talking about players here, not some team accomplishment. If you go by rings then russel>everyone, horry>mj and kobe
We are talking about stats, mvps, fmvps, and then rings(playoff total record is also important because losing in rd 1 is pretty bad).
Mj>Bron>Kobe; and when careers are said it done lebron will be far ahead of kobe and up there with mj maybe

[red1]

So as expected it is mj > lbj > kobe in terms of scoring. Anyone have cumulative finals stats?