Michael Jordan like Kobe Bryant didn't have the ability to lead awful teams...

[TAZORAC]

Michael Jordan just like Kobe Bryant are both great players, but neither had the ability to lead absolutely awful teams to contender status. MJ and KB are the type of players to lead the league in scoring, but their team barely makes the playoffs OR they lose the 1st round.

But guess who can lead awful teams to contender status???? LBJ.


2007 Cleveland Cavaliers who lost in the NBA finals to the Spurs

6 Shannon Brown
1 Daniel Gibson
90 Drew Gooden
32 Larry Hughes
11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
23 LeBron James
19 Damon Jones
27 Dwayne Jones
24 Donyell Marshall
14 Ira Newble SF
3 Sasha Pavlovic
31 Scot Pollard
20 Eric Snow
17 Anderson Varejao
4 David Wesley

2nd best player on this team was Ilgauskas :facepalm

[dubeta]

Agreed


Inb4 3ball spams 'Ilgauskas was an all-star reserve in 1974 therefore the Cavs were stacked etc'



There's a reason MJ and Kobe were 1st round losers before they got superstars.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What's the point of "leading" awful teams if it doesn't get you a championship?

All those players, LeBron included, needed multiple HOFers AND great rosters to win their titles. Reality.

[Doranku]

Yeah LeBron's 25/8/8 on 40% finals run through two mighty 41 win teams and the Pistons on their last legs really sets him apart from losers like Kobe and MJ.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

What's the point of "leading" awful teams if it doesn't get you a championship?

All those players, LeBron included, needed multiple HOFers AND great rosters to win their titles. Reality.

So much this.

[Rocketswin2013]

I don't think '07 is a good example. A better one is '09. Probably the biggest overachieving team in NBA history.

[Asukal]

Michael Jordan like Kobe Bryant didn't have the luxury to play in a weak conference. :rolleyes:

[HOoopCityJones]

The scrub Shannon Brown would go on to win two rings with Kobe.

[DMV2]

that's only because they played in a stacked conferences, unlike Bran.

MJ's 80's Bulls got their asses kicked by a 3-time champion Celtics team and a back-to-back Pistons team. 2 dynasty teams.

We know how stacked the West have been since 1999.

[Andrei89]

The scrub Shannon Brown would go on to win two rings with Kobe.


That does not make him a scrub?

[TAZORAC]

Michael Jordan like Kobe Bryant didn't have the luxury to play in a weak conference. :rolleyes:

"weak" is relative :rolleyes:. It's just like if I was to say "I'm strong", well in comparison to who?

[TAZORAC]

that's only because they played in a stacked conferences, unlike Bran.

MJ's 80's Bulls got their asses kicked by a 3-time champion Celtics team and a back-to-back Pistons team. 2 dynasty teams.

We know how stacked the West have been since 1999.

3 time champs lead by Dennis fking Johnson at PG, who probably wouldn't even make a team today, and a time when a guy who can't run or jump, but can only shoot was touted as a superstar in Larry Bird!

And the Pistons were just a mockery.

MJ scored alot but didn't do much else for his teammates.

[FKAri]

Lebron is one of the best ever at making bad teams look good. But he's one of the worst among the greats at making good teams great.

[SamuraiSWISH]

'88, 89, and half the '98 season w/o Pippin @ 35 years old say otherwise. Hell, his turn around of the Wizards at 38 / 39 years old in 2002 proves OP wrong as well.

[ArbitraryWater]

What's the point of "leading" awful teams if it doesn't get you a championship?

All those players, LeBron included, needed multiple HOFers AND great rosters to win their titles. Reality.

Chris Bosh gotta be the weakest HOF ever.. since the 60's, at least.

[ClipperRevival]

Lebron is one of the best ever at making bad teams look good. But he's one of the worst among the greats at making good teams great.

:applause:

[GIF REACTION]

Chris Bosh gotta be the weakest HOF ever.. since the 60's, at least.
This

Lebron's so called superstars in 2013

0 points Game 7 Bosh
-56 NBA finals record Dwyane Wade

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebron is one of the best ever at making bad teams look good. But he's one of the worst among the greats at making good teams great.
In essence this is brutally correct

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron is one of the best ever at making bad teams look good. But he's one of the worst among the greats at making good teams great.

This just sounds like people wanting to be smart but saying dumb shit

[GIF REACTION]

As a raw basketball individual, no one has a greater impact than Lebron

He can turn water into wine, but he can't make wine from succulent grapes of talent

[DonDadda59]

Michael Jordan like Kobe Bryant didn't have the luxury to play in a weak conference. :rolleyes:

This.

Jordan led some scrub teams to the ECF in the 80s. He ran into the eventual champion Pistons.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that Bron can lead teams through the east only to get curb stomped once he sees an actual team from the west. I mean it happens time after time after time after time... After time and people still haven't caught on to the gimmick? :biggums:

[KG215]

3 time champs lead by Dennis fking Johnson at PG, who probably wouldn't even make a team today, and a time when a guy who can't run or jump, but can only shoot was touted as a superstar in Larry Bird!

You've done it. Congratulations. You've entered the "Stupidest Single Sentence Ever Posted on ISH" hall of fame. Not only that. This may be one of the top 5 or top 10 stupidest sentences ever by someone I think is attempting to be serious.

[KG215]

This just sounds like people wanting to be smart but saying dumb shit
Meh, he's right and wrong. LeBron does have a way of somewhat hindering other All-Star/HOF teammates' talent because he's so ball-dominant. Not saying he never gets the most out of them in their adjusted roles, but I do think his style of play does have a tendency to make him look like a deity on lesser talented teams because he's such a great talent and he can generate almost endless open looks with his slashing and passing ability. But yeah, that same immense talent and ability is what sometimes leads to him curbing the talent of All-Star caliber teammates.

[Young X]

Michael Jordan like Kobe Bryant didn't have the luxury to play in a weak conference. :rolleyes:^^^^^

And Jordan led an awful team to the ECF in '89 by beating a 2nd and 3rd seed without HCA. In the ECF they were the only team to beat the eventual champs in the playoffs.

[j3lademaster]

"weak" is relative :rolleyes:. It's just like if I was to say "I'm strong", well in comparison to who?in relative to nba history, you don't think the 80's east is one of the stronger if not strongest conference?

Lebron is better than MJ at carrying scrubs to relevancy because he can be a 30 ppg scorer AND a "glue" guy at the same time, but MJ is better at leading a contender over the top. And give MJ Lebron's Cavs squads in this era and he does exponentially better than 1-9. Won't go quite as well as LBJ but he'd be close.

[Optimus Prime]

Not even worth debating with yet another LeTroll.

MJ > Kobe >>> LeBron

6/6 > 5/7 >>> 2/6

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lphm4enunH1qj6y3go1_500.png

[sportjames23]

Agreed


Inb4 3ball spams 'Ilgauskas was an all-star reserve in 1974 therefore the Cavs were stacked etc'



There's a reason MJ and Kobe were 1st round losers before they got superstars.


Well, this loser is back. How you like 2/6, bitch?

[Magic 32]

Leading them to be the "first losers".

:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Soundwave]

Jordan in his last season with the Bulls (at age 35) had the Bulls trending towards a 60 win season without Scottie Pippen. They started slow that year without him, but were on fire by about Christmas break.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

good job getting swept

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Cladyclad]

This

Lebron's so called superstars in 2013

0 points Game 7 Bosh
-56 NBA finals record Dwyane Wade

If Bosh don't get the reb & kick it to Ray in game 6. There would be no game 7. Bron went full retard in crunch time in game 6. Only reason he is not getting clowned for that performance. The Spurs went super retard in crunch time. Had it not been for Bosh, maybe Bron is 1-5 instead of 2-4 in the finals.

[BigNBAfan]

1st round in mid 2000's > road to finals in east

[andgar923]

Michael Jordan just like Kobe Bryant are both great players, but neither had the ability to lead absolutely awful teams to contender status. MJ and KB are the type of players to lead the league in scoring, but their team barely makes the playoffs OR they lose the 1st round.

But guess who can lead awful teams to contender status???? LBJ.


2007 Cleveland Cavaliers who lost in the NBA finals to the Spurs

6 Shannon Brown
1 Daniel Gibson
90 Drew Gooden
32 Larry Hughes
11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas
23 LeBron James
19 Damon Jones
27 Dwayne Jones
24 Donyell Marshall
14 Ira Newble SF
3 Sasha Pavlovic
31 Scot Pollard
20 Eric Snow
17 Anderson Varejao
4 David Wesley

2nd best player on this team was Ilgauskas :facepalm
That's actually better than some of the teams MJ had to play with.

[Mr. Jabbar]

East.

[The-Legend-24]

East

[Nuff Said]

MJ played in the east.

[Magic 32]

MJ played in the east.

The 90's east was the 00's west.

[andgar923]

MJ played in the east.

The East in the 80s and 90s was known to be the more physical/hard nosed/defensive conference, while the west was more run and gun.

[sportjames23]

MJ played in the east.


I can tell you just started watching the NBA in the last 5-10 years.

[BBallZen83]

What's the point of "leading" awful teams if it doesn't get you a championship?

All those players, LeBron included, needed multiple HOFers AND great rosters to win their titles. Reality.

Well... that's kind of the point among people who are reasonable fans of Lebron. Winning means everything, but context is also important.

All Kobestans want to do is drone on about 2/6, but he hasn't been the most lucky when it comes to team situations in the finals.

[HOoopCityJones]

1st round in mid 2000's > road to finals in east

Truest statement of this thread. :applause:

[knicksman]

You know youre a dumbass if you think 2007 cavs were contenders. Theres a reason why youre a 2/6 stan, Coz you dont know shit.