Does Huck Finn need to be banned from public libraries?

[Akrazotile]

It uses a word that a lot of people dont like. Also one of the characters is a slave, which recalls a time in American history which we should only acknowledge when it is used for left-wing leverage. Otherwise it should never be mentioned or remembered.

There is no place for such a work in a publicly funded library. It's presence is frankly atrocious.

Your thoughts?

[CavaliersFTW]

Let me guess, you believe this equates to government buildings being asked not to fly the confederate flag. Am I right?

[NumberSix]

Let me guess, you believe this equates to government buildings being asked not to fly the confederate flag. Am I right?
Well, to be fair, public schools and public libraries ARE government buildings.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Did Josh write that book?

[Goon Time]

And the butthurt continues


I thought you were about what MATTERS, this is just petty

[Goon Time]

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[Droid101]

Nice troll attempt there starface.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdckx8tL5R1rooy1q.jpg

[GIF REACTION]

Shut the **** up Chris

[CavaliersFTW]

Well, to be fair, public schools and public libraries ARE government buildings.
And libraries shouldn't fly confederate flags either. Flying a flag in front of the building is not the same thing or sending the same message as stocking a novel on your book shelves for people to read. Libraries have all sorts of controversial, historical, fictional and non fictional information within them. You can read books on hitler in libraries, or the confederate states, or find information and books on slavery in the united states. The content that can be found within libraries are not supposed to be censored they are supposed to stock their shelves and archives objectively that's their function.

Flying a flag out front is not the same as stocking your archives full of information that you are supposed to have inside. Libraries flying their countries, states, or local communities flag makes sense. That's showing some patriotism, and/or support of the present state/community that funds them no big deal. Libraries or other government buildings that would choose to fly a flag that represents racism or hate, historically or otherwise, doesn't make sense.

You, and OP can try and muddy this up and cross examine it all you want but this is pretty cut and dry.

[NumberSix]

And libraries shouldn't fly confederate flags either. Flying a flag in front of the building is not the same thing or sending the same message as stocking a novel on your book shelves for people to read. Libraries have all sorts of controversial, historical, fictional and non fictional information within them. You can read books on hitler in libraries, or the confederate states, or find information and books on slavery in the united states. The content that can be found within libraries are not supposed to be censored they are supposed to stock their shelves and archives objectively that's their function.

Flying a flag out front is not the same as stocking your archives full of information that you are supposed to have inside. Libraries flying their countries, states, or local communities flag makes sense. That's showing some patriotism, and/or support of the present state/community that funds them no big deal. Libraries or other government buildings that would choose to fly a flag that represents racism or hate, historically or otherwise, doesn't make sense.

You, and OP can try and muddy this up and cross examine it all you want but this is pretty cut and dry.
The problem is that the confederate flag has been commonplace in the south for generations. It's just not reasonable to tell people who have lived their entire with that flag having a prominent role in the public space, that it's ONLY context is that of what it was 100+ years before they were born.

I just think its a little dishonest for some to act like the context of the flag has had 0 change between the 1860s and the 2010s.

It's also not appropriate to compare it to the nazi flag. The nazi flag was immediately taken down and banned. The confederate flag however has been all over the south for 150 years. It's been culturally normalized. It's more like the English flag, the cross of st. George, which is actually a crusader flag. But after enough time, it would be foolish to say that the context has not changed. It's clearly the flag of England now. It would be weird to strictly view it as a crusade flag.

[iamgine]

Only if the people want it to be banned, just like the flags.

It all depends on what the masses wants.

[Akrazotile]

L
Only if the people want it to be banned, just like the flags.

It all depends on what the masses wants.


But I thought it was the job of the courts to decide what the masses get? Or the federal government? Or Tom, Dick, and Harry who dont live anywhere near the state theyre trying to control the policy of?

[iamgine]

L


But I thought it was the job of the courts to decide what the masses get? Or the federal government? Or Tom, Dick, and Harry who dont live anywhere near the state theyre trying to control the policy of?
you thought wrong.

[Akrazotile]

And libraries shouldn't fly confederate flags either. Flying a flag in front of the building is not the same thing or sending the same message as stocking a novel on your book shelves for people to read. Libraries have all sorts of controversial, historical, fictional and non fictional information within them. You can read books on hitler in libraries, or the confederate states, or find information and books on slavery in the united states. The content that can be found within libraries are not supposed to be censored they are supposed to stock their shelves and archives objectively that's their function.

Flying a flag out front is not the same as stocking your archives full of information that you are supposed to have inside. Libraries flying their countries, states, or local communities flag makes sense. That's showing some patriotism, and/or support of the present state/community that funds them no big deal. Libraries or other government buildings that would choose to fly a flag that represents racism or hate, historically or otherwise, doesn't make sense.

You, and OP can try and muddy this up and cross examine it all you want but this is pretty cut and dry.


The Confederate flag does not represent racism. It's represents an era, and a small-government ideology. The south had been in conflict with the north on various issues since the end of the American revolution.

Slavery happened to have existed where the Confederate flag flew. Oh well. Thats history and thats reality. Slavery existed in Rome. Should we ban latin-rooted words from all government books and law codes? Slavery exists rampantly in Africa and India today. Should we scorn those flags and religions and images? Slavery and discrimination existed under the American flag. Ban it?

This is the left wing throwing American principles out the window because theyre on a "one-up the rednecks" crudsade. That's all this is. This their "We're so much better than the southerners, look how WE babysit minorities" affirmation of their moral and class superiority.

They openly scorn southern culture the way many southerners they complain about do to others. This is about big-city liberals wanting to feel better than someone. Just like poor rednecks do that to blacks, just like blacks do it to gays. Liberals are completely interested in feeling their own power and moral goodliness by getting southerners to have to change a flag theyre proud of. Pure ******ry.

[ThePhantomCreep]

White nationalist bigots can still fly the confederate flag on their private properties, and they can freely own a copy of "Mein Kampf" without fear of arrest, if that's what they wish. Nothing has been banned.

State governments shouldn't have a flag that symbolizes treason, slavery, segregation, and slavery flying outside their buildings. It sends a terrible message, always has.

What are these whiny ass Bushbots complaining about again?

[NumberSix]

White nationalist bigots can still fly the confederate flag on their private properties, and they can freely own a copy of "Mein Kampf" without fear of arrest, if that's what they wish. Nothing has been banned.

State governments shouldn't have a flag that symbolizes treason, slavery, segregation, and slavery flying outside their buildings. It sends a terrible message, always has.

What are these whiny ass Bushbots complaining about again?
Nobody is arguing on behalf of white nationalists.

Your ethics are basically.... you're ok with an election being rigged, if it's rigged for the guy who you think "should" win.

I understand that you like the result, but liking the result isn't a legitimate reason to ignore the corruption in the process.

[dude77]

I say ban it .. ban anything that offends blacks .. we have to be protective of our sensitive retarded children

[Goon Time]

The confederate flag represents an era, and a small-government ideology.


You're trying SO hard to split hairs about what the flag represents. You don't even care about the issue you're just trying to call out what you deem to be a liberal decision as hypocritical. Jesus christ, give it a rest. Didn't you just move into a new town? How many hours a day are you going to spend on ISH on your victim crusade? Go outside numb nuts, spare the locals your desperate attempts to be an outspoken pariah, have normal conversations with human beings instead of this endless trail of salty tears because some people decided to err on the side of respecting it's citizens. FFS!

[TripleA]

I say ban it .. ban anything that offends blacks .. we have to be protective of our sensitive retarded children

Nah black people don't care that much or it would be banned already

[Akrazotile]

You're trying SO hard to split hairs about what the flag represents. You don't even care about the issue you're just trying to call out what you deem to be a liberal decision as hypocritical. Jesus christ, give it a rest. Didn't you just move into a new town? How many hours a day are you going to spend on ISH on your victim crusade? Go outside numb nuts, spare the locals your desperate attempts to be an outspoken pariah, have normal conversations with human beings instead of this endless trail of salty tears because some people decided to err on the side of respecting it's citizens. FFS!


:roll:

[DeuceWallaces]

:blah

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

[Akrazotile]

:blah

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?


Been hella busy this weekend bro. I only post here when I'm waiting in a line, or have a lil downtime. I just maximize my posting time. High efficiency.

Yesterday I went fishing with a buddy at Somerville Lake, which is like 2 hours outside Austin. It made quite an interesting story which will go in the travel journal I started before my trip out here, which I'll have ready to view onlone this week! Stay tuned home skillet :rockon:

Today I had to do a lot of housekeeping type stuff. Got a bomb leather computer chair at Goodwill for 14 bucks. Whatchu know bout that? Got a nice shower curtain/bathmat/wastebasket from Target that complement each other nicely. Bathroom decor game so on point :pimp:

And of course I'm chattin with some hunnies on the dating sites and screening for some good karaoke partners. Slash BED partners, if ya know what I'm sayin :roll: :cheers:


Edit: AND i biught an accoustic guitar, no hippie.

[Goon Time]

Been hella busy this weekend bro. I only post here when I'm waiting in a line, or have a lil downtime. I just maximize my posting time.


:roll: :roll: You must be waiting in a ton of lines every week day. This is truly funny.


Bet you a trillion dollars he doesn't learn to play the guitar

[warriorfan]

:roll: :roll: You must be waiting in a ton of lines every week day. This is truly funny.


Bet you a trillion dollars he doesn't learn to play the guitar

Well he has been eating at his local soup kitchen lately. Those lines can get pretty long.

[senelcoolidge]

Banning books sounds like something a totalitarian regime would do. The Nazi's, communist, radical islamist for example.

[longtime lurker]

I say ban it .. ban anything that offends blacks .. we have to be protective of our sensitive retarded children

How fvcking mad are you right now :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

I fully understand why people are arguing that things of the confederacy should be banned within the government........


But.........



The democrats were the confederacy.
The democrats were the traitors.
The democrats fought for slavery.
The democrats fought against the United States.
The democrats started the anti-American terrorist organization called the KKK.

Why is the Democratic Party not banned?

[BigNBAfan]

Did Josh write that book?
rent free

[KingBeasley08]

I fully understand why people are arguing that things of the confederacy should be banned within the government........


But.........



The democrats were the confederacy.
The democrats were the traitors.
The democrats fought for slavery.
The democrats fought against the United States.
The democrats started the anti-American terrorist organization called the KKK.

Why is the Democratic Party not banned?
Bruh I already replied to you about this two or three times but you keep ignoring it

Party bases basically switched. The Democratic Party of old or at least it's supporters are now Republicans

[Springsteen]

A flag representing slavery and treason to the country was removed from government buildings? Get the shotgun, Cletus!

[NumberSix]

Bruh I already replied to you about this two or three times but you keep ignoring it

Party bases basically switched. The Democratic Party of old or at least it's supporters are now Republicans
No, they're dead. Long ago.

I know you you buy that dumbass propaganda, but the rest of us don't.

Explain this. If the Democratic Party can no longer stand for slavery, why do you insist that the confederate flag has to mean exactly what it did in the 1860s?

[NumberSix]

A flag representing slavery and treason to the country was removed from government buildings? Get the shotgun, Cletus!
So, why is the party of treason and slavery still allowed in government buildings?

[TheMan]

NumberSix tries waaaay to hard. :lol

Anyways, the Confederate flag is on the way out, even NASCAR wants nothing to do with it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/27/nascar-chairman-confederate-flag_n_7679300.html

If hillbillies want to keep their flag, I don't gaf. Among all the stuff it symbolizes, being the North's bitch is one of them. I'll fly the Stars and Stripes :rockon:

[KyrieTheFuture]

No, they're dead. Long ago.

I know you you buy that dumbass propaganda, but the rest of us don't.

Explain this. If the Democratic Party can no longer stand for slavery, why do you insist that the confederate flag has to mean exactly what it did in the 1860s?
Because plenty of people still use that flag for racist reasons and I can't really point to anything the democratic party has done recently to support institutional racism. Damnit dude you're better than this.

[kentatm]

The problem is that the confederate flag has been commonplace in the south for generations. It's just not reasonable to tell people who have lived their entire with that flag having a prominent role in the public space, that it's ONLY context is that of what it was 100+ years before they were born.


I mean if you count since the 1940s and 50s via the Dixiecrat party that was pissed the **** off about civil rights.... sure... that's generations.

But that shit wasn't really a deal until a bunch of racists brought it back brah.

[KingBeasley08]

Yeah, that confederate flag was literally put up to protest integration and recent Supreme Court decisions regarding it. Not racist my ass

[yobore]

No, they're dead. Long ago.
The southern racists were mainly democrats until LBJ in the 1960's. That is not that long ago.

Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond, loud bigots who switched parties in the 1970, were still getting voted in handily by Republicans in the 21st century

[travelingman]

The problem is that the confederate flag has been commonplace in the south for generations. It's just not reasonable to tell people who have lived their entire with that flag having a prominent role in the public space, that it's ONLY context is that of what it was 100+ years before they were born.

I just think its a little dishonest for some to act like the context of the flag has had 0 change between the 1860s and the 2010s.

It's also not appropriate to compare it to the nazi flag. The nazi flag was immediately taken down and banned. The confederate flag however has been all over the south for 150 years. It's been culturally normalized. It's more like the English flag, the cross of st. George, which is actually a crusader flag. But after enough time, it would be foolish to say that the context has not changed. It's clearly the flag of England now. It would be weird to strictly view it as a crusade flag.

Did the previously mentioned novel surge back into popularity in the 1950s only because of desegregation and the following civil rights movement? If not, then quit with the false equivocation.

[NumberSix]

Did the previously mentioned novel surge back into popularity in the 1950s only because of desegregation and the following civil rights movement? If not, then quit with the false equivocation.
:facepalm

It was put up on state capital buildings in protest. It was still popular among the citizens before that. Don't act like the flag was just disappeared from history until it got raised on a few government properties. We're supposed to be having a honest conversation here.

[RidonKs]

yeah but the word has an intellectual history that's easily recognizable by pointing out the book you're talking about is by mark ****ing twain. "people" are smart enough to recognize that fact.

[NumberSix]

yeah but the word has an intellectual history that's easily recognizable by pointing out the book you're talking about is by mark ****ing twain. "people" are smart enough to recognize that fact.
The book is an ANTI-racism book. Removing the n-word removes that context from the books message.

[DeuceWallaces]

Been hella busy this weekend bro. I only post here when I'm waiting in a line, or have a lil downtime. I just maximize my posting time. High efficiency.

Yesterday I went fishing with a buddy at Somerville Lake, which is like 2 hours outside Austin. It made quite an interesting story which will go in the travel journal I started before my trip out here, which I'll have ready to view onlone this week! Stay tuned home skillet :rockon:

Today I had to do a lot of housekeeping type stuff. Got a bomb leather computer chair at Goodwill for 14 bucks. Whatchu know bout that? Got a nice shower curtain/bathmat/wastebasket from Target that complement each other nicely. Bathroom decor game so on point :pimp:

And of course I'm chattin with some hunnies on the dating sites and screening for some good karaoke partners. Slash BED partners, if ya know what I'm sayin :roll: :cheers:


Edit: AND i biught an accoustic guitar, no hippie.

Your whole life has been "down time" since you graduated high school. That is assuming you graduated high school.

[NumberSix]

Your whole life has been "down time" since you graduated high school. That is assuming you graduated high school.
Do you EVER talk about the actual topics? Your routine of just insulting posters is tired.

[travelingman]

It was still popular among the citizens before that.

Source? I'm looking forward to this.

[DeuceWallaces]

Do you EVER talk about the actual topics? Your routine of just insulting posters is tired.

Most all your arguments are trashed within 4-5 posts by several people. Myself and others have been tearing up these same tired positions of you, chewing, and starface for years now. Better just to make fun of you at this point.

[DeuceWallaces]

Source? I'm looking forward to this.

His history of the confederate "battle flag" is also off.

The flag didn't exist before like 1862 or some shit. Then it went away after the war. It wasn't until WWII and segregation of the south that it made its triumphant return. Since then it's been rebranded by idiots as some long standing symbol of southern pride dating back centuries when in actuality it's mostly been adopted by racist organisations and movements.

Dude is an all around dumb-ass. A wannabe faux-provocateur who get's shredded after every post. Jesus man, go read a book or something. Put your mind to use with something other than convoluted ways to support primarily racist ideals under the guise of some misappropriated hardcore constitutionalism. Your positions here are comical and your "facts" on social stratification and economics are flat wrong; nothing more than conservative propaganda set out to misrepresent scientific studies or ignore them all together.

It's kind of sad. Starface and Chewing's lives are a lost cause, but there may be some hope for you to contribute to society.

[NumberSix]

Source? I'm looking forward to this.
The state flag of Mississippi has had a confederate flag in it since 1894. You people who think it just popped out of obscurity back into popularity in the 1960s are simply historically inaccurate.

If you want to make an argument against the flag, go ahead. But don't use falsehoods like "Durr, nobody even used the confederate flag until racists wanted to protest civil rights". It's simply not factual.

[Lakers Legend#32]

What kinda book burner question is this?

[9erempiree]

The state flag of Mississippi has had a confederate flag in it since 1894. You people who think it just popped out of obscurity back into popularity in the 1960s are simply historically inaccurate.

If you want to make an argument against the flag, go ahead. But don't use falsehoods like "Durr, nobody even used the confederate flag until racists wanted to protest civil rights". It's simply not factual.

I have to agree with this because people like to think that all of a sudden the Confederate flag existed. It has been flown and used for awhile now. It's just that suddenly this banning of the flag in government buildings brought some attention to it.

The flag is part of pop culture too. It doesn't have the same meaning as it use to.

https://i1.ytimg.com/sh/DmuPX_pAAt8/showposter.jpg?v=520b2e6f

[travelingman]

The state flag of Mississippi has had a confederate flag in it since 1894. You people who think it just popped out of obscurity back into popularity in the 1960s are simply historically inaccurate.

If you want to make an argument against the flag, go ahead. But don't use falsehoods like "Durr, nobody even used the confederate flag until racists wanted to protest civil rights". It's simply not factual.

That is the single shred of evidence that could even remotely be helpful to your argument, so I don't blame you for using it. However, as to the overall popularity of the battle flag between the Civil War and Civil Rights periods, your proof is overwhelmingly lacking.

[dude77]

I feel like we're being trolled :confusedshrug: .. wtf is going on ? .. that show was on for 6 yrs .. suddenly now you think it's offensive and needs to be taken off the air ?


dukes of hazzard (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/01/tv-land-pulls-reruns-dukes-hazzard/)

what's next .. burn the master tapes of the show or something ? :hammerhead:

[DeuceWallaces]

The state flag of Mississippi has had a confederate flag in it since 1894. You people who think it just popped out of obscurity back into popularity in the 1960s are simply historically inaccurate.

If you want to make an argument against the flag, go ahead. But don't use falsehoods like "Durr, nobody even used the confederate flag until racists wanted to protest civil rights". It's simply not factual.

It's a small part of, not the flag. And "us people" are right. Point being this is the only example you can come up with. The confederate battle flag has a well documented history; your version of this history is wrong and mainly a pathetic attempt at being a contrarian and faux-intellectual.