Top 10 of All Time Poll: Only users with green reputation may contribute.

[Westbrook0]

Let's do a little experiment here.

If you have a reputation that's in the green, you may post your top 10 of all time.

This is a good way to eliminate trolls and other users that no one cares what they have to say.

After we get enough responses, we'll average all the results together and come up with the *OFFICIAL* InsideHoops Quality User Top 10 Poll.

Top 10 lists from users with red/negative reputation will not be factored into the final results.

EDIT: UPDATED WITH THE RESULTS:

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[dubeta]

I don't have green rep (shockingly) but I agree with your list

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol, someone neg OP into the red so this thread becomes hilariously ironic

[Fudge]

1. Jordan
2. Abdul-Jabbar
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. LeBron
8. Bird
9. Wilt
10. Kobe

[E_Stamkos]

1. MJ
2. Kaj
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Hakeem
9. WIlt
10. Kobe

[sundizz]

1. Bird
2. Kareem
3. Jordan
4. Kobe
5. Shaq
6. Magic
7. Duncan
8. Lebron
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem

[Kvnzhangyay]

1. Jordan
2. Abdul-Jabbar
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. LeBron
8. Bird
9. Wilt
10. Kobe

Switch Kobe and Wilt and this is mine

[SouBeachTalents]

Wow OP, I thought that would open your eyes to your bullshit rule. So you really think a person negging you on a message board over nothing changes the validity of your basketball knowledge?

[Mr. Jabbar]

very green user reporting here:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chmberlain
6. Bill Russell
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[dontgetchoked]

there are a bunch of dumb****s on this forum who have green bars...

[KembaWalker]

very green user reporting here:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chmberlain
6. Bill Russell
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

Swap Russell with Wilt and this would be mine :applause:

[1987_Lakers]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaq
10. LeBron James

[Collie]

1)MJ
2)KAJ
3)Russell
4)Magic
5)Duncan
6)Wilt
7)Bird
8)Bron
9)Kobe
10)Shaq

[Harison]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Bird
6. Magic
7. Hakeem
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Kobe

[aj1987]

Some of you are disrespecting Shaq like crazy. :facepalm

[buddha]

Jordan
Abdul-Jabbar
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Magic
Hakeem
Pippen
Wilt

[scandisk_]

Tier 1

MJ, KAJ, 11 Rangz

Tier 2

Bird, Magic, Shaq, Wilt, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Big-O, Dream

[Asukal]

As if the rep bar means anything. :whatever:

[Carter_17]

1.Kobe
2.Jordan
3.Magic
4.Kareem
5.Bird
6.LeBron
7.Duncan
8.Hakeem
9.Moses Malone
10.Shaq

[Spurs m8]

I picture a lot of green bar posters to be quite boring IRL

Basically if you're green, unless you have complete sick basketball knowledge and post interesting posts, you're still a virgin at mums house tbh.

Cheers

[raprap]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Wilt
9. LeBron
10.Kobe

[hateraid]

Magic
Wilt
Jordan
KAJ
Russell
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Lebron

[Prime_Shaq]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Wilt
9. LeBron
10. Kobe

[coin24]

Mj
KAJ
Russell
Kobe
Bird
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem
Wilt


I think that should be everyones unanimous top 10 players. The order of 4-10 can be swapped around and won't make that much difference.
How anyone has LeBald over one of these winners (except for wilt) is beyond me:facepalm

[Prometheus]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chmberlain
6. Bill Russell
7. Boris Diaw
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[Sportal]

MJ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Russell
Wilt
Hakeem
LeBron
Robertson

[Carter_17]

People still think the 50s are relevant :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt
MJ
Magic
KAJ
Russell
Shaq
Duncan
Lebron
Kobe
Bird

[BlakFrankWhite]

1.MJ
2.KAJ
3.Duncan
4.Russell
5.Magic
6.Wilt
7.Kobe
8.Shaq
9.Bird
10.LeBron(can climb up in the rankings)

[TheMan]

MJ...then eveyone else

[Psileas]

1. Wilt
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. LeBron
9. Duncan
10. Kobe

[Psileas]

Btw, it would be more interesting if you also made a thread for posters with red reps (yes, some may post in both threads, including the op :D ) and compare the results.

[JZ600]

Take out all the tards that have either kobe/lebron in top 5

[jzek]

LMAO OP isn't even green himself :oldlol:

[That_Admiral]

MJ
KAJ
Russell
Bird
Duncan
Magic
Shaq
Wilt
Kobe
Lebron

[BlazerRed]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Wilt
9. Kobe
10. Lebron

[the mesiah]

U know it's the off season when lot of these pop up suddenly..

1.Jordan
2.Earvin
3.Lew
4.Wilt
5.Larry
6.Kobe
7.Timmy
8.Shaq
9.Russell
10.Lebron

[Fork]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Kobe
8. Lebron
9. Bird
10. Hakeem

[Bankaii]

1) Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Magic
4) Russell*
5) Wilt*
6) Duncan
7) Shaq
8) Bird
9) Kobe
10) Lebron

[HurricaneKid]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. MJ
3. Wilt
4. Duncan
5. Shaq
6. LeBron
7. Bird
8. Russell
9. Oscar
10 Olajuwon/Kobe

[Dr Hawk]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Shaq
5. Hakeem
6. Magic
7. LeBron
8. Duncan
9. Bird
10. Kobe


Russell still unranked

[Doranku]

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Bran/Hakeem

[riseagainst]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chmberlain
6. Bill Russell
7. Boris Diaw
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

:lol

[pegasus]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Tim Duncan
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Wilt Chamberlain

[branslowski]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. Duncan
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Russel
10. Wilt

My list changes yearly.

[Genaro]

Jordan
KAJ
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Duncan
Shaquille
Lebron
Hakeem

[MEB2kDeez]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Shaq
10. LeBron James
This is mine also.

[RRR3]

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Bran/Hakeem
Besides Wilt being low, I think this is one of the best lists on here :cheers:




My list (based on what I know about NBA history only, since I have seen very few of these guys play)


1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Magic Johnson
7. Tim Duncan
8. LeBron James/Kobe Bryant
9. Kobe Bryant/LeBron James
10. Larry Bird

Honorable mention: Hakeem Olajuwon, Oscar Robertson



I feel like Bird is too low on my list :(

[code green]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Tim Duncan
6. Oscar Robertson
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Shaquille O'Neal

HM: Stockton, LeBron, Malone, Ron Mercer, Russell, Isiah, Jerry West

[DMAVS41]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Lebron

[Alamо]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Adbul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Tim Duncan
5. Magic Johnson
6. Shaquille O'neal
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Lebron James
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[RRR3]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Tim Duncan
6. Oscar Robertson
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Shaquille O'Neal

HM: Stockton, LeBron, Malone, Ron Mercer, Russell, Isiah, Jerry West
:biggums:

[ISHGoat]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Duncan
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Lebron
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

[RRR3]

Wilt is getting insanely disrespected ITT

[sd3035]

Wow OP, I thought that would open your eyes to your bullshit rule. So you really think a person negging you on a message board over nothing changes the validity of your basketball knowledge?

negged

[Riley Martin]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem

[branslowski]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Lebron

The only poster in 4 pages who don't have Kobe in his top 10..Wonder why.:rolleyes:

Pretty sure Albitrary gonna follow suite, Bruce Blitz aswell.:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt is getting insanely disrespected ITT

Maybe the posters in red are more knowledgeable.

[Derka]

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. KAJ
4. Duncan
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Hakeem
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Lebron

[jstern]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Larry Bird
5. Wilt Chmberlain
6. Magic Johnson
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Lebron James
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[iamgine]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Russell
7. Lebron
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem

[zizozain]

1. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
2. Wilt Chmberlain
3. Michael Jordan
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Magic Johnson
7. Bill Russell
8. Larry Bird
9. Tim Duncan
10. Shaquille O'Neal

[zizozain]

The only poster in 4 pages who don't have Kobe in his top 10..Wonder why.:rolleyes:

Pretty sure Albitrary gonna follow suite, Bruce Blitz aswell.:oldlol:
he is one of gyno brothers.. true story

[Dbrog]

1) Russell
2) Jordan
3) Kareem
4) Duncan
5) Wilt
6) Magic (i go back and forth with Bird all the time)
7) Bird
8) Shaq
9) Kobe
10) Lebron
11) Hakeem

Recent era cleaning up (2000s+). Pretty crazy if you think about it.

To give slightly more context, I rate winning extremely high (especially winning when you aren't supposed to).

[DMAVS41]

The only poster in 4 pages who don't have Kobe in his top 10..Wonder why.:rolleyes:

Pretty sure Albitrary gonna follow suite, Bruce Blitz aswell.:oldlol:

Because I don't think Kobe is as good as Lebron or Hakeem. That's why...

[HOoopCityJones]

Jordan
Kareem
Bill Russell
Magic
Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Wilt
Lebron

[ortonsaw]

so many reds here lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

1. Mike
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Not definitive, but my rankings thus far.

[Dbrog]

Because I don't think Kobe is as good as Lebron or Hakeem. That's why...

Yup definitely depends how people judge their criteria for top10. If you strictly go by ability on court, Kobe probably not in top10 (this would move a bunch of people around actually probably Wilt would be #1 rank).

[HOoopCityJones]

1. Mike
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

How is Bird over Kobe at this point? Just askin.

[ArbitraryWater]

Massive disrespct for Shaq and Wilt here

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How is Bird over Kobe at this point? Just askin.

Mostly because of Bird's offensive game (one of the greatest passers ever) and impact he had the boards. Not only that, but his best postseason runs are greater than Kobe's all while turning Boston back into a dynasty.

I could see why some think he and Bean are interchangeable though. Bird wasn't a slouch on the defensive end, but Kobe has him beat there.

[GIF REACTION]

1. MJ
1. KAJ
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Russell
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Lebron
9. Shaq
10. Kobe

[Dbrog]

How is Bird over Kobe at this point? Just askin.

Bird was probably the best system wing player ever. He never needed the ball in his hands to be dominant and always played within the scope of the team. It's an extremely impressive feat and really should be mentioned more for him. Kobe was a fantastic scorer but he didn't do much for the offense when he didn't have the ball. Depends what you value I suppose.

[HOoopCityJones]

Shaq and Kobe in the low half of the Top 10 while Duncan in the Top 5-6 is a travesty for a match up that's been a wash for the better half of the last 15 years.

[coast2coast]

1) Michael Jordan
2) Kareeem Abdul - Jabbar
3) Bill Russell
4) Wilt Chamberlain
5) LeBron James
6) Magic Johnson
7) Tim Duncan
8) Shaquille O'Neal
9) Larry Bird
10) Hakeem Olajuwon

[sdot_thadon]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Larry Bird/shaq/duncan
7. Tim Duncan/shaq/bird
8. Shaq/duncan/bird
9. LeBron James
10. Kobe Bryant
11. Hakeem Olajuwon

[kennethgriffin]

#1 jordan
#2 kobe
#3 kareem
#4 russell
#5 magic
#6 bird
#7 wilt
#8 duncan
#9 shaq
#10 hakeem

[r0drig0lac]

1- MJ
2- Bill
3- KAJ
4- Wilt
5- Timmy
6- Bird
7- Magic
8- Shaq
9- Kobe
0- Lebron

[MavsPoke]

1) Michael Jordan
2) Kareeem Abdul - Jabbar
3) Bill Russell
4) Wilt Chamberlain
5) Magic Johnson
6) Tim Duncan
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Larry Bird
9) Lebron James
10) Hakeem Olajuwon

[Knoe Itawl]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Lebron

Pretty much my list though I'd switch Russ and Kareem.

[colts19]

Wilt
Bird
Magic
Russell
MJ
Big O
Shaq
Hakeem
West
Walton

[Doranku]

1. Mike
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Not definitive, but my rankings thus far.


1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Bran/Hakeem


my n!gga :pimp:

[blablabla]

Jordan
Russell
Wilt
Magic
Bird
KAJ
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Lebron

[TheMarkMadsen]

Jordan
KAJ
Kobe
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Russell

[SuperPippen]

MJ
Jabbar
Russell
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt
Bird
Kobe
Magic
Hakeem
Lebron
West

[SexSymbol]

Russell
MJ
KAJ
Bird
Kobe
Duncan
Magic
Shaq
Hakeem
Wilt

[SHAQisGOAT]

Love the fact that when there's a top10 of all-time thread, everyone will post theirs even if the last one was posted just a few days before... Well, I'm no different than the common mortal...

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9./10./11. Hakeem/Kobe/LeBron (always tough to say exactly)

Some of them are extremely close and even interchangeable.
For peaks it would've been different, as well.

[kennethgriffin]

Anyone who doesnt have kobe atleast top 5-6 is on crack

Out of the top 10 players all time kobe ranks top 5 or better in every single catigory of stats/awards/records in nba history asside from season mvps in which hes tied for 7th

[catch24]

Anyone who doesnt have kobe atleast top 5-6 is on crack

Out of the top 10 players all time kobe ranks top 5 or better in every single catigory of stats/awards/records in nba history asside from season mvps in which hes tied for 7th

You're a huge fan of Kobe's so lets ignore that for a second.

Why do you rate the bottom 8-10 players above LeBron? Where do you place him exactly?

[Dbrog]

Anyone who doesnt have kobe atleast top 5-6 is on crack

Out of the top 10 players all time kobe ranks top 5 or better in every single catigory of stats/awards/records in nba history asside from season mvps in which hes tied for 7th

He doesn't rank top5 in FMVPs :pimp:

Also I'm fairly positive Bron has more records than Kobe and better playoff stats some years, but don't you rank Bron lower? (I'm not saying Bron is better btw)

[Mr. Jabbar]

Because I don't think Kobe is as good as Lebron or Hakeem. That's why...

dude your list has jabbar at #5, you dont have kobe, you included lebron...................... it has comedic value i'll give you that :cheers:

[Dbrog]

dude your list has jabbar at #5, you dont have kobe, you included lebron...................... it has comedic value i'll give you that :cheers:

His list makes more sense than many of these lists TBH because you can generally follow his criteria. DMavs stated he is ranking based on players who he thought were better than the others and winning as the best. You could argue MJ and Russell were the two most dominant forces ever as seen by their track records. Magic and Duncan also led teams to great success with their unique skills (on offense and defense respectively). Kareem was dominant too but he kinda choked for a decade and then only started winning again once magic was there (something the 4 ahead of him didn't do). Wilt was probably the most dominant ever but consistently had to beat a much better team (russell) and still managed to win once and then again vs strong competition. Bird/Shaq/Hakeem/Bron all won roughly about the same and were the best on basically all of those teams. The dominated the floor and significantly affected the games they were in. Kobe did too but not quite as much as these guys (in terms of 2-way game). It's really not much of a stretch that Kobe's on the outside looking in based on his logic IMO.

[nightprowler10]

My list is different week to week almost. I don't understand how people have a SET list that never changes. There are 11 guys that make my top 10 depending on when you ask me, so I'm going out to 11.

Also, note that my top 6 always consists of the same guys, then Timmy, then the other 4 are interchangeable.

Here it is right now (only retired and almost retired players):

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Larry Bird
6. Magic Johnson

7. Tim Duncan

8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kobe Bryant
11. Jerry West

[tpols]

His list makes more sense than many of these lists TBH because you can generally follow his criteria. DMavs stated he is ranking based on players who he thought were better than the others and winning as the best. You could argue MJ and Russell were the two most dominant forces ever as seen by their track records. Magic and Duncan also led teams to great success with their unique skills (on offense and defense respectively). Kareem was dominant too but he kinda choked for a decade and then only started winning again once magic was there (something the 4 ahead of him didn't do). Wilt was probably the most dominant ever but consistently had to beat a much better team (russell) and still managed to win once and then again vs strong competition. Bird/Shaq/Hakeem/Bron all won roughly about the same and were the best on basically all of those teams. The dominated the floor and significantly affected the games they were in. Kobe did too but not quite as much as these guys (in terms of 2-way game). It's really not much of a stretch that Kobe's on the outside looking in based on his logic IMO.

If you do it on pure individual dominance.. or how good someone is KAJ can't be 5 .. the resume stuff is what puts russell and duncan over him because he's clearly a better player than them. It's hard to rank these guys though because in terms of pure individual dominance it's something like

Wilt
Shaq
KAJ
MJ
Bron
Magic
Bird
hakeem
Duncan
Kobe
Russell


But if you do it by mental toughness, chemistry building, closing ability it's

MJ
Russell
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Kobe
KAJ
Shaq
Wilt
bron

So it almost inverts itself with the exception of mj.. really hard to differentiate and make a list that covers both

[24-Inch_Chrome]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Magic Johnson
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Larry Bird
9. LeBron James
10. Kobe Bryant

I used to have Hakeem in at #10 but I think I've reached a point where I can say I'd rank Kobe over him. They're still tiered with one another but I can appreciate Kobe enough to include him in my top 10.

[iTare]

MJ
KAJ
Magic
Wilt
Shaq
Russell
TD
Bron
Bird
Kobe

[Optimus Prime]

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Kobe
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem

[imnew09]

dude your list has jabbar at #5, you dont have kobe, you included lebron...................... it has comedic value i'll give you that :cheers:


Damn Jabbar... Your rep went as small as Lebetas dong

[24-Inch_Chrome]

dude your list has jabbar at #5, you dont have kobe, you included lebron...................... it has comedic value i'll give you that :cheers:

Anyone speak red bar?

[kennethgriffin]

He doesn't rank top5 in FMVPs :pimp:

Also I'm fairly positive Bron has more records than Kobe and better playoff stats some years, but don't you rank Bron lower? (I'm not saying Bron is better btw)


Yes he does

#1 jordan - 6 fmvps
#2 magic - 3 fmvps
#2 shaq - 3 fmvps
#2 duncan - 3fmvps
#5 kobe - 2 fmvps

[Jasi]

1, MJ
2, KAJ
3, Magic
4, Russell
5, Bird
6, Duncan
7, Shaq
8, Wilt
9, Kobe
10, Hakeem

[Droid101]

dude your list has jabbar at #5, you dont have kobe, you included lebron...................... it has comedic value i'll give you that :cheers:
Did a thread get deleted? How did you lose six bars in less than an hour? :wtf:

[ShackEelOKneel]

Did a thread get deleted? How did you lose six bars in less than an hour? :wtf:

Jeff must have deleted a BTE thread or something.

[rmt]

Yes he does

#1 jordan - 6 fmvps
#2 magic - 3 fmvps
#2 shaq - 3 fmvps
#2 duncan - 3fmvps
#5 kobe - 2 fmvps

LOL - I could just as well say, that Kobe is top 10 in fmvps:

#1 Jordan - 6 fmvps
#2 Magic - 3 fmvps
#3 Shaq - 3 fmvps
#4 Duncan - 3 fmvps
#5 Willis Reid - 2 fmvps
#6 KAJ - 2 fmvps
#7 Bird - 2 fmvp2
#8 Hakeem - 2 fmvps
#9 Lebron - 2 fmvps
#10 Kobe - 2 fmvps

See how that works.



But if you do it by mental toughness, chemistry building, closing ability it's

MJ
Russell
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Kobe
KAJ
Shaq
Wilt
bron

So it almost inverts itself with the exception of mj.. really hard to differentiate and make a list that covers both

Did you really raise Kobe ranking on CHEMISTRY BUILDING :oldlol: As far as I know 2 points at the end of the game still holds the same value as 2 points made at the end of the game. One doesn't get extra credit (points) for scoring at the end of the game as opposed to the beginning.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Did a thread get deleted? How did you lose six bars in less than an hour? :wtf:

Deleting a thread/post shouldn't affect reps/negs. It'll remove the log of it in the user CP but I don't think it would actually remove the rep/neg points.

[ArbitraryWater]

Did a thread get deleted? How did you lose six bars in less than an hour? :wtf:

that has no impact on your rep.. once its made, deleted or not the rep will stay.. damn, jabbar's validity gone like that :(

[Droid101]

Deleting a thread/post shouldn't affect reps/negs. It'll remove the log of it in the user CP but I don't think it would actually remove the rep/neg points.

that has no impact on your rep.. once its made, deleted or not the rep will stay.. damn, jabbar's validity gone like that :(

Are you guys certain? I remember gaining a bunch of points once because a thread I got negged in a lot got deleted.

I guess I could be imagining things.

Jabbar ain't for this life I guess.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Are you guys certain? I remember gaining a bunch of points once because a thread I got negged in a lot got deleted.

I guess I could be imagining things.

Jabbar ain't for this life I guess.

I just tested it. :oldlol:

Deleted a post w/rep on it, rep stayed the same. I assume that the same is true for negs.

It's possible that the site was once configured that way but it doesn't seem to be anymore.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Damn, Jabbar

Here have a rep from me, bro

[Droid101]

I just tested it. :oldlol:

Deleted a post w/rep on it, rep stayed the same. I assume that the same is true for negs.

It's possible that the site was once configured that way but it doesn't seem to be anymore.
I think it might be different if a thread is removed by an admin... anyway.

Long live Duncan vampires.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I think it might be different if a thread is removed by an admin... anyway.

Long live Duncan vampires.

True.

http://orig14.deviantart.net/a47f/f/2012/164/f/0/white_walkers_march_by_mizidora-d53beh3.gif

[nightprowler10]

I think it might be different if a thread is removed by an admin... anyway.
Nope. Doesn't matter. An admin can however manually change your rep.

[aj1987]

Nope. Doesn't matter. An admin can however manually change your rep.
Some people have like crazy rep power. Chrome gave me a rep bar with a single rep and some MJ stans neg took it away. :oldlol:

[Mikaiel]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Bird
7. LeBron
8. Magic
9. Kobe
10. Russell

[iTare]

Some people have like crazy rep power. Chrome gave me a rep bar with a single rep and some MJ stans neg took it away. :oldlol:
hey look at ur rep now

[ArbitraryWater]

Some people have like crazy rep power. Chrome gave me a rep bar with a single rep and some MJ stans neg took it away. :oldlol:

repped you under the message "iTare" :cheers:

[aj1987]

hey look at ur rep now
:oldlol:

Thanks. You guys with the green light sabers have crazy rep power.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Some people have like crazy rep power. Chrome gave me a rep bar with a single rep and some MJ stans neg took it away. :oldlol:

hey look at ur rep now

http://media.tumblr.com/e16dd16f4de841b391f118f72714a54e/tumblr_inline_nbat9kBEXc1satqni.gif

[Mr. Jabbar]

His list makes more sense than many of these lists.

actually it doesnt.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Did a thread get deleted? How did you lose six bars in less than an hour? :wtf:

i think i was neg bombed by the 2/6 crew

[BBallZen83]

dude your list has jabbar at #5, you dont have kobe, you included lebron...................... it has comedic value i'll give you that :cheers:

You never give arguments for anything. You just crack jokes. In terms of Bball knowledge (at least what is shown on this board). I'd say DMAVs is heavily in the top 10, and you are somewhere looking in out of the top 50. Probably where you have Bron placed.

[Poochymama]

1. Russell
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Lebron
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Tough decision between Wilt and Hakeem at 10, as both got worse in the playoffs and Wilt was way better in the regular season. Ultimately though, playoffs are 90% of what matters and Playoffs Hakeem is > than playoffs Wilt.

[Heavincent]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Magic
9. Hakeem
10. Lebron

[rmt]

1. Russell
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Lebron
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Tough decision between Wilt and Hakeem at 10, as both got worse in the playoffs and Wilt was way better in the regular season. Ultimately though, playoffs are 90% of what matters and Playoffs Hakeem is > than playoffs Wilt.

Wondering about your criteria. If you value winning most (Russell's at the top of the list), why do you have Lebron above Magic/Duncan/Kobe?

[And1AllDay]

*Not in order

Jordan
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
LeBron
Kobe
Kareem
Russell
Hakeem
Bird

[Cold soul]

1) Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Russell
4) Magic
5) Wilt
6) Kobe
7) Duncan
8) Bird
9) Shaq
10) Lebron

11th) Hakeem

It changes day to day this is extremely tough.

[chips93]

jordan
kareem
wilt
duncan
lebron
kobe
magic
shaq
bird
hakeem

[Rocketswin2013]

MJ
KAJ
Russell
Wilt
Duncan
Shaq
Magic
Kobe
Bird
LeBron

[Westbrook0]

UPDATED WITH RESULTS:




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[Mr. Jabbar]

You never give arguments for anything. You just crack jokes. In terms of Bball knowledge (at least what is shown on this board). I'd say DMAVs is heavily in the top 10, and you are somewhere looking in out of the top 50. Probably where you have Bron placed.

Youd be surprised how lil dmavs actually knows despite how hard he tries to show the opposite

[dubeta]

UPDATED WITH RESULTS:




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LOL u know the results are shit when 7 out of the 10 are unranked at least once

[KembaWalker]

i think i was neg bombed by the 2/6 crew

By crew you mean 1 person on many alts right :roll:

Also repped :cheers:

[branslowski]

UPDATED WITH RESULTS:




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I don't like the 9 place for Kobe...But those 10 names are in most ppls top 10 World Wide...

[branslowski]

i think i was neg bombed by the 2/6 crew

Well I got like 3,000+ Rep points from slayin un informed Kobe haters...I'll shoot you some but it wont single handedly take away ya 2 red bars.:cheers:

Edit: Actually took away a red bar...

[TheCorporation]

1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Shaq
4. LeBron
5. Duncan
6. Kareem
7. Bird
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Oscar Robertson

[LAZERUSS]

1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Shaq
4. LeBron
5. Duncan
6. Kareem
7. Bird
8. Kobe
9. Hakeem
10. Oscar Robertson


Oscar, and no Wilt or Russell. Makes perfect sense.

[LAZERUSS]

1. Russell
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Lebron
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Tough decision between Wilt and Hakeem at 10, as both got worse in the playoffs and Wilt was way better in the regular season. Ultimately though, playoffs are 90% of what matters and Playoffs Hakeem is > than playoffs Wilt.


Had Chamberlain had the "good fortune" to have had his team eliminated in the first round EIGHT times, and his playoff numbers would look a little different.


As examples, in Wilt's fist eight post-seasons, and in his first round, he averaged

38.7 ppg

37.0 ppg

37.0 ppg

38.6 ppg and on .559 shooting (in a post-season NBA of 105.8 ppg on .420 shooting)

27.8 ppg (and then 30.1 ppg, on .555 shooting, and against Russell)

28.0 ppg

28.0 ppg (and a great example of FG% at .617 in a post-season at .424, to go along with 27 rpg, and 11 apg.!))

25.5 ppg (and on .584 shooting, while his opposing center, Bellamy was at 20.0 on .421 shooting.)

Even in his 11th season, and only four months removed from major knee surgery, Chamberlain put up a first round of 23.7 ppg., 20.3 rpg, and .549.

And, in his 71-72 post-season, he had a 14.5 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .629 first round series (and in an NBA post-season of .446.)


And while Chamberlain was "losing" to the likes of Russell, Reed, and Kareem in his post-season runs...

how about Hakeem?


'85: Blown out in the first round by Eaton
'86: Beaten by Parish
'87: Easily beaten in the second round by Alton Lister.
'88: SWEPT in first round by James Donaldson
'89: Beaten in the first round by Olden Polynice
'90: Beaten in the first round by Mychal Thompson (
'91: SWEPT in the first round by Divac.
'92: Single-handedly prevents his team from even making the playoffs.
'93: Beaten by Michael Cage
'96: SWEPT in the second round by Sam Perkins.
'97: Beaten by Greg Ostertag in the WCF's.
'98: Beaten by Greg Foster in the first round.
'99: Absolutely slaughtered by Shaq in the first round.
'00: Single-handedly keeps his team from making the playoffs.
'01: See above.
'02: Wiped out by Ben Wallace in the first round.



Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continued...


Psileas actually pointed this fact out long ago, but it is certainly worth repeating...

had Wilt been fortunate enough to have faced the Lakers in the post-season, from '60 thru '68, and he likely would own many playoff (or perhaps Finals) scoring records. And we are not talking about one or two "small samples" either, but rather, his entire H2H play against LA (and Minny) from '60 thru '68...and in seasons of between 7 to 12 H2H games.

Keep in mind that Russell WAS fortunate enough to have faced the Lakers FIVE times in the post-season in that span (actually six, but in the last one, he faced Wilt, and as expected, did absolutely nothing offensively), and it was against LA in which he elevated his playoff scoring and FG%. In fact, remove the Lakers from his post-seasons, and his offensive production would have dropped considerably.

Here were Russell's numbers against LA in those five series:

'62:

Russell averaged 18.9 ppg on a .457 FG% in his regular season against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 22.9 ppg on a .543 FG%. Which included a game seven of 30 points and 40 rebounds.

BTW, against Wilt in the '62 EDF's: 22.0 ppg on a .399 FG%


'63:

Russell averaged 16.8 ppg on a .432 FG% in his regular season.

Against LA in the Finals: 20 ppg on a .467 FG%


'65:

Russell averaged 14.1 ppg on a .438 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 17.8 ppg on a .702 FG% (yes, .702.)

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 15.6 ppg on a .447 FG%


'66:

Russell averaged 12.9 ppg on a .415 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 23.6 ppg on a .538 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 14.0 ppg on a .423 FG%


'68:

Russell averaged 12.5 ppg on a .425 FG% against the NBA

Against LA in the Finals: 17.3 ppg on a .430 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 13.7 ppg on a .440 FG%


Oh, and here were Russell's stats in the '69 Finals against Wilt:

Regular season against the NBA: 9.9 ppg on a .433 FG%

Against Wilt in the Finals: 9.0 ppg on a .397 FG%


Again, had Wilt faced the Lakers in any of his nine seasons in the league from '60 thru '68, and he likely would own at least some, (if not a vast majority), playoff and perhaps Finals, scoring records (and perhaps FG% records, as well, since Russell shot .702 against LA in '65.)

And once again, in Wilt's regular seasons, he was facing LA between 7 to 12 games in each season, with an average of about 10.

Also keep in mind that the Lakers were in the Western Conference, and Wilt only had two seasons in the Western Conference from '60 thru '68, and in one of those, his team was so bad, that he didn't make the playoffs, despite a 44.8 ppg season on .528 shooting.


Ok, here we go:

'59-60:

Against the entire NBA that season: 37.6 ppg on a .461 FG%

Against the Lakers in 9 H2H's: 36.8 ppg on a .430 FG%

High games of 41, 41, 41, 45, and 52.


'60-61:

Against the entire NBA: 38.4 ppg on a .509 FG%

Against the Lakers in 10 H2H's: 40.1 ppg on a .506 FG%

High games were 41, 41, 43, 44, 46, and 56 points.


'61-62:

Against the entire NBA: 50.4 ppg on a .506 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2H games: 51.6 ppg on a .503 FG%

High games of 48, 56, 57, 60, 60, and 78 (with 43 rebounds.)


'62-63: Against the entire NBA: 44.8 ppg on a .528 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 48.6 ppg on a .541 FG%

High games of 40, 40, 42, 53, 63, and 72 points.


'63-64: Against the entire NBA: 36.9 ppg on a .524 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 44.3 ppg on a .484 FG%

High games of 40, 41, 47, 49, 50, 55, and 59 points.


'64-65: Against the entire NBA: 34.7 ppg on a .510 FG%

Against LA in 8 H2Hs: 29.9 ppg on a .476 FG%

High games of 40, 40, and 41 points.


'65-66: Against the entire NBA: 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%

Against LA in 10 H2Hs: 40.8 ppg on a .559 FG%

High games of 42, 49, 53, and 65 points.


'66-67: Against the entire NBA: 24.1 ppg on a .683 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2Hs: 26.4 ppg on a .759 FG%

High games of 32, 37, and 39 points.


'67-68: Against the entire NBA: 24.3 ppg on a .595 FG%

Against LA in 7 H2Hs: 28.1 ppg on a .638 FG%

High games of 31, 32, 35, and 53 points.


Overall, in those 86 games:

40 Point Games: 42

50 Point Games: 19

60 Point Games: 7

70 Point Games: 2

High game of 78 points.

[LAZERUSS]

Some interesting numbers on the Russell-Wilt H2H's...


59-60 Regular season ... 11 H2H games:

Russell: 19.8 ppg, 23.7 rpg, .393 eFG%
Wilt: 39.1 ppg, 29.7 rpg, .465 eFG%, and 1.3 apg.


59-60 EDF's... 6 H2H's:

Russell: 20.7 ppg, 27.0 rpg, .446 eFG%, and 2.8 apg.
Wilt: 30.5 ppg, 27.5 rpg, .500 eFG%, and 2.0 apg.


60-61... 13 regular season H2H's:

Russell: 18.8 ppg, 25.4 ppg, .398 eFG%, and 3.6 apg.
Wilt: 36.3 ppg, 30.9 rpg, .493 eFG%, and 1.8 apg.


61-62...10 regular season H2H's:

Russell: 18.5 ppg, 24.6 rpg, .383 eFG%, and 4.4 apg.
Wilt: 39.7 ppg, 28.8 rpg, .468 eFG%, and 2.1 apg.

61-62... 7 games of EDF's:

Russell: 22.0 ppg, 25.9 rpg, .399 eFG%, and 4.6 apg.
Wilt: 33.6 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .468 eFG%, and 2.9 apg.


62-63...9 regular season H2H's:

Russell: 15.3 ppg, 27.8 rpg, .366 eFG% (3 known games)
Wilt: 38.1 ppg, 28.9 rpg, .497 eFG% (6 known games.)


63-64...8 Regular season H2H's:

Russell: 14.4 ppg, 25.4 rpg, 5.4 apg (5 known), .367 FG% (6 known)
Wilt: 29.1 ppg, 26.9 rpg, 3.7 apg (7 known), .530 FG%

63-64 Finals... 5 H2H's:

Russell: 11.2 ppg, 25.2 rpg, 6.3 apg, .386 FG%
Wilt: 29.2 ppg, 27.6 rpg, 2.4 apg, .517 FG%


64-65...11 Regular season H2H's:

Russell: 12.6 ppg, 22.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, .281 FG% (10 known)
Wilt: 25.4 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 4.2 apg, .473 FG%

64-65...7 EDF's H2H's:

Russell: 15.6 ppg, 25.1 rpg, 6.7 apg, .447 FG%
Wilt: 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, .555 FG%


65-66... 9 Regular season H2H's:

Russell: 9.4 ppg, 21.2 rpg, 4.9 apg, .301 FG%
Wilt: 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, 4.2 apg, .510 FG%

65-66...5 EDF's H2H's:

Russell: 14.0 ppg, 26.3 rpg, 6.3 apg (3 known), .423 FG% (2 known)
Wilt: 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, .509 FG%

Quote:
But let's break the post-season numbers down even more shall?

'60: Chamberlain averaged 30.5 on a FG% that was 10% OVER the post-season league average.

'62: Chamberlain averaged 33.6 ppg on a FG% that was 5% OVER the post-season league average.

'64: Wilt averaged 29.2 ppg on a FG% that was 10% OVER the post-season league average.

'65: Wilt averaged 30.1 ppg on a FG% that was 13% OVER the post-season league average.

'66: Wilt averaged 28.0 ppg on a FG% that was 7% OVER the post-season league.

And I'll throw in Wilt's '67 EDF's, as well: 21.6 ppg on a FG% that was 13% OVER the post-season league average.


Meanwhile, Russell's numbers against Wilt:

'60: 20.7 ppg on a FG% that was 5% OVER the post-season league average.

'62: 22.0 ppg on a FG% that was 1% UNDER the post-season league average.

'64: 11.2 ppg on a FG% that was 3% UNDER the post-season league average.

'65: 15.6 ppg on a FG% that was 2% OVER the post-season league average.

'66: 14.0 ppg on a FG% that was 2% UNDER the post-season league average.

and '67: 10.2 ppg on a FG% that was 7% UNDER the post-season league average.


The REALITY was, Russell hardly limited Wilt AT ALL in their post-season H2H's, and Chamberlain just CRUSHED Russell in scoring, rebounding, and FG% in ALL of them.

A "scoring" Wilt was outscoring a PRIME Russell by a 30 ppg to 17 ppg average; outrebounding Russell by a 29 rpg to 26 rpg; and outshooting Russell by a 50% to 42% margin....in their PLAYOFF H2H's. Add in their '67 EDF's, and Wilt's margins grow to 29 ppg to 16 ppg; 30 rpg to 25 rpg; and 51% to 40%.

Chamberlain DOMINATED Russell...period

[Fowl]

Some interesting numbers on the Russell-Wilt H2H's...
Dude...

[crisoner]

1. Kareem
2. Jordan
3. Magic
4. Russel
5. Kobe
6. Duncan
7. Wilt
8. Shaq
9. LeBron
10. Bird

[Brunch@Five]

1 Kareem
2 Jordan
3 Wilt
4 Russel
5 Magic
6 Bird
7 Duncan
8 Shaq
9 Kobe
10 LeBron

[Lebron23]

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareeem
4. Magic
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. LeBron James
7. Bird
8. Wilt
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

[Pointguard]

1.MJ
2.Magic
3.Wilt
4.Kareem
5.Russell
6.Bird
7.Duncan
8.Shaq
9. Kobe
10.Lebron

[ArbitraryWater]

How the **** has LeBron having the most 40 pt games AND triple doubles in a finals series and eventually losing with Matthew Dellavoda and Thompson and what not, MIND****ED this many people?

People really believe any Kobe version is better than 2009-2014 LeBron? (take out 2011, 2014 or whatever)

[TheMarkMadsen]

How the **** has LeBron having the most 40 pt games AND triple doubles in a finals series and eventually losing with Matthew Dellavoda and Thompson and what not, MIND****ED this many people?

People really believe any Kobe version is better than 2009-2014 LeBron? (take out 2011, 2014 or whatever)

feelings have been hurt :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Droid101]

How the **** has LeBron having the most 40 pt games AND triple doubles in a finals series and eventually losing with Matthew Dellavoda and Thompson and what not, MIND****ED this many people?

People really believe any Kobe version is better than 2009-2014 LeBron? (take out 2011, 2014 or whatever)
meltdown

[LEFT4DEAD]

MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Russell
Lebron
Kobe

[Fudge]

How the **** has LeBron having the most 40 pt games AND triple doubles in a finals series and eventually losing with Matthew Dellavoda and Thompson and what not, MIND****ED this many people?

People really believe any Kobe version is better than 2009-2014 LeBron? (take out 2011, 2014 or whatever)
Straight the **** up.

These Kobe geeks are absolutely shook.

King is in his early 30's and he's about to (if not ALREADY) pass Kobe on the all-time list. :oldlol:

[Asukal]

How the **** has LeBron having the most 40 pt games AND triple doubles in a finals series and eventually losing with Matthew Dellavoda and Thompson and what not, MIND****ED this many people?

People really believe any Kobe version is better than 2009-2014 LeBron? (take out 2011, 2014 or whatever)

You mad? :lol :lol :lol

[warriorfan]

How the **** has LeBron having the most 40 pt games AND triple doubles in a finals series and eventually losing with Matthew Dellavoda and Thompson and what not, MIND****ED this many people?

People really believe any Kobe version is better than 2009-2014 LeBron? (take out 2011, 2014 or whatever)

http://bzfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/meltdown-2009.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

Straight the **** up.

These Kobe geeks are absolutely shook.

King is in his early 30's and he's about to (if not ALREADY) pass Kobe on the all-time list. :oldlol:

he's been "about to pass Kobe" for 5 years now..

but the only thing he's passed Kobe in was when Lebron set the new record for most missed shots in an NBA finals

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

hell yea im melting.. am I surprised by a multitude of Kobetards having him over LeBron? Hell no... but guys like Pointguard, Brunch@Five, oh shit..............


I just realized Im in the wrong thread... melted down for no reason :lol

thought this was the peak thread but its the all time thread, and LeBron is like a spot behind Kobe with multiple prime years to go :roll:

everythings good, keep the lists coming :cheers:

[TheMarkMadsen]

hell yea im melting.. am I surprised by a multitude of Kobetards having him over LeBron? Hell no... but guys like Pointguard, Brunch@Five, oh shit..............


I just realized Im in the wrong thread... melted down for no reason :lol

thought this was the peak thread but its the all time thread, and LeBron is like a spot behind Kobe with multiple prime years to go :roll:

everythings good, keep the lists coming :cheers:

but how can you even compare peaks..??

your daily source of calcium was still provided by your moms left titty when Kobe was peaking

[ArbitraryWater]

but how can you even compare peaks..??

your daily source of calcium was still provided by your moms left titty when Kobe was peaking

Kobe peaked while playing in Italy?

edit: Lower Merion..whenever tf he started there

[Fudge]

LeBron is just waaaaaay upppp more blessed than Kobe. I'm sorry, but that's just the reality of it.

I'm geniunely sorry I had to break it to you guys.

[Droid101]

Um, "Kobetards" aren't the only ones ranking him over LeBron. Maybe your hate has clouded your brain.

[HOoopCityJones]

Damn, meltdown.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe peaked while playing in Italy?

I'm sure he visited Italy in the early to mid 2000's

your claim to fame on ISH is the "KG wasn't a defensive anchor until he got to Boston" comment...

you didn't even know Kobe had a torn labrum during the 2003 playoffs (one of his peak years)

so I can't take your opinion seriously when discussing anything pre decision

[ArbitraryWater]

Um, "Kobetards" aren't the only ones ranking him over LeBron. Maybe your hate has clouded your brain.

breh, how would that be possible when literally any Kobe version is inferior to 2009-2014 Bron? :kobe:

[Droid101]

breh, how would that be possible when literally any Kobe version is inferior to 2009-2014 Bron? :kobe:
Kobe > bran all time at the current time. Deal with it.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm sure he visited Italy in the early to mid 2000's

your claim to fame on ISH is the "KG wasn't a defensive anchor until he got to Boston" comment...

you didn't even know Kobe had a torn labrum during the 2003 playoffs (one of his peak years)

so I can't take your opinion seriously when discussing anything pre decision

yea well, him having a torn labrum isn't exactly heard from alot... I just needed a link for the validity of it, which I asked for on here not too long ago, and was actually surprised that it wasnt used more as an excuse, given how horrible his postseason was..in Minny, only one of the teams KG was on were top 10 defensively...I'm sure you were aware of this?

[Doranku]

I will put Bron ahead of Kobe if he wins a ring in Cleveland. Right now, I still think Kobe deserves the nod in lists like these.

[TheMarkMadsen]

yea well, him having a torn labrum isn't exactly heard from alot...I just needed a link for the validity of it, which I asked for on here not too long ago, and was actually surprised that it wasnt used more as an excuse, given how horrible his postseason was..in Minny, only one of the teams KG was on were top 10 defensively...I'm sure you were aware of this?

anybody watching during that time would have known about the injury/ not needed a link to validate..

and yeah 32/5/5 in the playoffs is horrible huh? :rolleyes:

....

are you really trying to defend your claim that KG wasn't a defensive anchor before 08 :oldlol:

just keep exposing yourself.. you make this so easy to discredit you ..

[ArbitraryWater]

I will put Bron ahead of Kobe if he wins a ring in Cleveland. Right now, I still think Kobe deserves the nod in lists like these.

okay, but, I mean could there be a year any more obvious than this one with both teams healthy? bad luck has really ****ed LeBron this year... thats a ring/fmvp gone because of something he cant control, which someway shows that this whole ring counting thing doesnt always make sense.

[warriorfan]

watching games > reading box scores

[coin24]

I will put Bron ahead of Kobe if he wins a ring in Cleveland. Right now, I still think Kobe deserves the nod in lists like these.


Would have to win 3 as the man realistically. All he's done is jump ship to a stacked as fu*k team and still only managed 2/4 there..

2/6 overall is pathetic.

If he goes on to win 3 in Cleveland he might have a shot but even then it'll be because of Kyrie/love/ how many all stars does this guy need to win?:lol

[Droid101]

okay, but, I mean could there be a year any more obvious than this one with both teams healthy? bad luck has really ****ed LeBron this year... thats a ring/fmvp gone because of something he cant control, which someway shows that this whole ring counting thing doesnt always make sense.
What if Bynum was healthy in 2008?

What if Grant and Malone were healthy in 2004?

What if countless other injuries didn't happen during LeBron's runs?

Guess what? Injuries happen. The end. You fight through it or you don't.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kevin Garnett is one of the players tied with Kobe for most all defensive Team selections, how the fucc did he only just become a defensive anchor in 08? :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

What if Bynum was healthy in 2008?

What if Grant and Malone were healthy in 2004?

What if countless other injuries didn't happen during LeBron's runs?

Guess what? Injuries happen. The end. You fight through it or you don't.

Those things arent close to having the impact of a Kyrie/Love injury and still losing in SIX games without 2 of their 3 stars....

LeBron himself has played with 2 guys on the Heat that were prone to injuries... there was no luck involved..thats all I have to say about this... oh and this, Grant? seriously? Lmao

[ArbitraryWater]

Kevin Garnett is one of the players tied with Kobe for most all defensive Team selections, how the fucc did he only just become a defensive anchor in 08? :biggums:

what shitty selections did that award go through :lol

[coin24]

what shitty selections did that award go through :lol


Did you forget what account you're on jameer, cool anti Kobe rant..

All time Kobe >> LeBald. Deal with it

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How the **** has LeBron having the most 40 pt games AND triple doubles in a finals series and eventually losing with Matthew Dellavoda and Thompson and what not, MIND****ED this many people?

People really believe any Kobe version is better than 2009-2014 LeBron? (take out 2011, 2014 or whatever)

AKA

http://replygif.net/i/209.gif

:oldlol:

[Droid101]

oh and this, Grant? seriously? Lmao
Yeah, the only other center on the roster that year for when Shaq inevitably would get into foul trouble.

It's so obvious you didn't watch any games you spout off about.

Anyway, 2/6 ain't surpassing Kobe. So get back to work branny.

[HOoopCityJones]

what shitty selections did that award go through :lol

Why you melting down because ni99as you dick ride for rep think Kobe better than Lebron tho? :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Those things arent close to having the impact of a Kyrie/Love injury and still losing in SIX games without 2 of their 3 stars....

LeBron himself has played with 2 guys on the Heat that were prone to injuries... there was no luck involved..thats all I have to say about this... oh and this, Grant? seriously? Lmao

after going up 2-1 Lebron led his team to a 3 straight blowout losses :applause: :applause:

in game 4 with the chance to basically clinch the series (game 5 was in CLE) lebron puts on an amazing performance by shooting 32% and scoring 20 points on 22 shots.. meanwhile his "scrub teammates" Mozgof and TT can only muster up 28/10, 12/13 respectively

[lakers_forever]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Lebron James.

[Deuce Bigalow]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. Bill Russell
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Wilt Chamberlain
10. LeBron James

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Duncan > LeBron/Kobe. No point in debating LeBron v Kobe, they're both bottom tier top 10 players who pale in comparison to Tim Duncan.

[Angel Face]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Tim Duncan
9. Wilt Chamberlain
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[LikeABosh]

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Lebron
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Hakeem
9. Russell*
10. Wilt*

Russell and Wilt dropped to bottom due to pathetic competition in their era.

[daily]

Let's do a little experiment here.

If you have a reputation that's in the green, you may post your top 10 of all time.

This is a good way to eliminate trolls and other users that no one cares what they have to say.



So you made a thread with a poll that you can't participate in :roll:

[rmt]

Kevin Garnett is one of the players tied with Kobe for most all defensive Team selections, how the fucc did he only just become a defensive anchor in 08? :biggums:

Maybe you ought to check your facts before posting.

Duncan - 15 all defensive team selections
Kobe/KG - 12 all defensive team selections

[DaOldLion]

Jordan
KAJ
Kobe
Magic
Russell
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt
Hakeem

[Timmy D for MVP]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. KAJ
4. Magic
5. Wilt
6. Legend
7. Timmy D
8. Shaq
9. The Dream
10. Kobe

[sd3035]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Tim Duncan
9. Wilt Chamberlain
10. Hakeem Olajuwon


This seems pretty accurate

[Smook A.]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. LeBron James

Got Hakeem at 11th btw

[Cold soul]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. LeBron James

Got Hakeem at 11th btw


Very good list, bro its close to mine switch Duncan and Kobe and it's the same. Who's the girl in your AV?

[Dr Hawk]

Very good list, bro its close to mine switch Duncan and Kobe and it's the same. Who's the girl in your AV?

Tianna Gregory

[Smook A.]

Tianna Gregory
Yup, that's the name you're looking for, Cold Soul. She's pretty hot, isn't she?

[Prime_Shaq]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. LeBron James

Got Hakeem at 11th btw
How is Shaq so far down?

[dubeta]

If you're ever confused with your rankings, it never hurts to refer to Career PER to help you out :cheers:

[warriorfan]

MJ
Kobe
Wilt
Kareem
Duncan
Hakeem
Dr J
Bird
Magic
Curry

[Asukal]

MJ
Russell
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Wilt
Hakeem

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

my n!gga :pimp:

http://media.giphy.com/media/pHb82xtBPfqEg/giphy.gif

[Spurs m8]

OP is a red rep bitch tbh

[Gotterdammerung]

I rank my GOAT list according to "best player" logic as opposed to "great career". That means the player who scored and rebounded and passed better than his peers, not he guy who was drafted to the right team and coach and had great teammates - which are factors entirely out of his control and shouldn't be credited with.

Best players of all time:

1. Wilt Chamberlain.
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
3. Michael Jordan.
4. Oscar Robertson.
5. Hakeem Olajuwon.
6. Shaquille O'Neal.
7. LeBron James.
8. Magic Johnson.
9. Larry Bird.
10. Doctor J.

:kobe:

Because absolutely nobody demanded it...
Greatest careers:
1. Bill Russell.
2. Michael Jordan.
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
4. Wilt Chamberlain.
5. Tim Duncan.
6. Magic Johnson.
7. Larry Bird.
8. Kobe Bryant.
9. Doctor J.
10. Shaquille O'Neal/ LBJ.

:lebronamazed:

[triangleoffense]

I rank my GOAT list according to "best player" logic as opposed to "great career". That means the player who scored and rebounded and passed better than his peers, not he guy who was drafted to the right team and coach and had great teammates - which are factors entirely out of his control and shouldn't be credited with.

Best players of all time:

1. Wilt Chamberlain.
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
3. Michael Jordan.
4. Oscar Robertson.
5. Hakeem Olajuwon.
6. Shaquille O'Neal.
7. LeBron James.
8. Magic Johnson.
9. Larry Bird.
10. Doctor J.

:kobe:

Because absolutely nobody demanded it...
Greatest careers:
1. Bill Russell.
2. Michael Jordan.
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
4. Wilt Chamberlain.
5. Tim Duncan.
6. Magic Johnson.
7. Larry Bird.
8. Kobe Bryant.
9. Doctor J
10. Shaquille O'Neal/ LBJ.

:lebronamazed:

Post more just to troll. It's either that or this new shitty generation... I'm normally not against my generation is better than yours but this new box score/advanced metric generation has to be the worst.. people acting like the game only happens on the box score now..

MJ's career and what he did off the basketball court was epic. He literally transcended the game where the entire ESPN baseball crew was at his minor league games.. even with just the box score MJ still holds the majority of all playoff records. Stay mad haters.

[Black and White]

1.MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Timmy
8. Kobe
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem

I think 7-9 is interchangeable

[Cold soul]

Yup, that's the name you're looking for, Cold Soul. She's pretty hot, isn't she?


Lol hell yeah she is. :pimp:

[Champ]

1. Jordan
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Wilt
6. Russell
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

[Raymone]

If you're ever confused with your rankings, it never hurts to refer to Career PER to help you out :cheers:

You get confused a lot, huh?

[hateraid]

Post more just to troll. It's either that or this new shitty generation... I'm normally not against my generation is better than yours but this new box score/advanced metric generation has to be the worst.. people acting like the game only happens on the box score now..

MJ's career and what he did off the basketball court was epic. He literally transcended the game where the entire ESPN baseball crew was at his minor league games.. even with just the box score MJ still holds the majority of all playoff records. Stay mad haters.

So someone values a means of measuring a player different than you makes him a troll? :facepalm
You should know better than that

[SpecialQue]

Because absolutely nobody demanded it...
Greatest careers:
1. Bill Russell.
2. Michael Jordan.
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
4. Wilt Chamberlain.
5. Tim Duncan.
6. Magic Johnson.
7. Larry Bird.
8. Kobe Bryant.
9. Doctor J.
10. Shaquille O'Neal/ LBJ.

:lebronamazed:

You seriously think Wilt and Duncan had better CAREERS than Magic? Are you kidding me?

[Gotterdammerung]

You seriously think Wilt and Duncan had better CAREERS than Magic? Are you kidding me?
Yes.
It's contextual, for what it's worth. Assuming you're not a troll like 97% of the other posters, I'll indulge you:
Duncan had 5 titles in 6 Finals, a rebound away from a sixth in six. A Magic like leadership that stretched to 19 seasons.

Magic unfortunately suited up for only 12, and made 9 finals but won only 5.

Wilt was the most dominant player the NBA had ever seen and it took an all time great franchise to prevent him from winning titles in the sixties. Once Wilt was traded to the Lakers he took them to 5 finals in six years.

And nope. :kobe:

[Gotterdammerung]

By the way.
You Gotta love it when posters with red bars try to neg you and fail miserably. :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

You seriously think Wilt and Duncan had better CAREERS than Magic? Are you kidding me?

Magic is the greatest "winner" in NBA history.

Chamberlain is the most dominant player ever.

BTW, for those that claim that KAJ had a greater career...

Aside from FT shooting, Wilt was a better player in every other category. And even FT shooting was deceptive. Wilt averaged 432 MADE FTs per season in his career, while Kareem was at 335 per season.

Chamberlain was a significantly better scorer, a much better rebounder, a considerably more efficient shooter from the field (keep in mind league average eFG%), a better passer, a much better defender (hell, an old Wilt beat out a peak KAJ for first-team all-defense in his LAST two seasons), and a much better shot-blocker (BTW, an old Wilt was routinely blocking the "unblockable" sky-hook.)

Furthermore, a PRIME Kareem, in his first ten seasons (and pre-MAGIC)...went to TWO Finals, won ONE, was eliminated in the first round TWICE, was beaten with HCA in '73, '74, '77), lost twice to a Sonics team with one borderline HOF player; and missed the playoffs entirely in two more seasons.

My god, in their four seasons together, an old Chamberlain held a 3-1 edge in Finals.

Furthermore, a PRIME Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the SAME centers that a PRIME Kareem would face a few years later.

Had Chamberlain had the good fortune to have had a PRIME Magic playing alongside him for TEN seasons, and you can be sure Chamberlain would have won MANY more rings in his career.

[LAZERUSS]

More Kareem vs Wilt...


I'll take the clutch Chamberlain.

Must-Win Post-Season Games...

Kareem:

12-12 W-L
25.5 ppg
12.0 rpg
.521 FG% ( in post-seasons that I would guess shot about an eFG% of .470 on average.)


Wilt:

12-11 W-L
31.1 ppg
26.4 rpg
.540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot about .435 on average.)


And before some idiot claims that Kareem played half of his post-season career past his prime (and with Magic carrying him)

A PRIME Kareem from 69-70 thru 80-81:

6-8 W-L
29.8 ppg
15.7 rpg
.529 FG% (in leagues that shot around .460+)


BUT, two can play that game...

A PRIME "Scoring Wilt from 59-60 thru 65-66:

6-6 W-L (3-5 against Russell and his Dynasty, whom he shelled)
37.3 ppg
27.6 rpg
.521 FG% (in a post-seasons that I KNOW shot .417 overall.)


Kareem was a great player.

Wilt was significantly greater.


Of course, had Wilt had a prime Magic for TEN SEASONS, there would have been no question that he would have won at LEAST FIVE more rings, if not TEN.

[Gotterdammerung]

As usual, Lazzerus/JLauber, you rely on hypotheticals to make your point in comparing the great players. It's better to stick to facts and context rather than speculation to derive possible scenarios.

Even tho I picked Wilt as the best player of all time, he didn't have the greatest career of all time, for reasons beyond his control. He did not have great coaches besides 3 seasons with Bill Sharman on the Lakers and 3 with Alex Hannum on the 76ers.

[LAZERUSS]

As usual, Lazzerus/JLauber, you rely on hypotheticals to make your point in comparing the great players. It's better to stick to facts and context rather than speculation to derive possible scenarios.

Even tho I picked Wilt as the best player of all time, he didn't have the greatest career of all time, for reasons beyond his control. He did not have great coaches besides 3 seasons with Bill Sharman on the Lakers and 3 with Alex Hannum on the 76ers.

The only hypotheticals are that if Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, and if Wilt had the good fortune to have faced the Lakers FIVE times in the playoffs in the decade of the 60's (instead of NEVER.)

Clearly, at even the worst case scenario...Chamberlain would have won SIX more rings with Russell's rosters and as many as ELEVEN (if you count his '72 ring.)

And given the FACT that Russell beefed up his post-season numbers against those "centerless" Laker teams of the 60's, and given the FACT that Chamberlain just DESTROYED those Lakers in his regular season H2H's, it would have been inevitable that Wilt would hold many post-season scoring and efficiency records (and perhaps Finals records as well.)

[TheCorporation]

MJ
Kobe
Wilt
Kareem
Duncan
Hakeem
Dr J
Bird
Magic
Curry

So this why you cant have nice things (this is why you're red) lol

[Gotterdammerung]

Lazeruss,
I rest my case.
When hypotheticals are all you got, you ain't got much except "Shoulda Coulda Woulda."
:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Lazeruss,
I rest my case.
When hypotheticals are all you got, you ain't got much except "Shoulda Coulda Woulda."
:oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Chamberlain was, quite simply, the greatest two-way force in the history of the NBA...and INCLUDING the post-season.

In his prime seven years in the league, and covering 67 playoff games (35 of which were against Russell, and six more against Thurmond)...he AVERAGED...

30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, shot .515 from the field (in post-seasons that shot about .425 in that same span...or nearly 10 percentage points above the post-season league eFG% average), and likely 8 bpg. AVERAGED.

Now, go ahead and give me YOUR list of "GOATs" who averaged a 30-27-5-8, and shooting 10 percentage points above the post-season league average in their best 67 game span in their playoff career.

Hell, let's carry that even farther...give YOUR me list of "GOATs" that had even ONE SERIES in which they AVERAGED a 30-27-5-8 .515 (and again...10 percentage points above the post-season league eFG%.)

In fact, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a "GOAT" with even ONE GAME with a 30-27-5-8 stat-line, and at a staggering FG% efficiency.

Not only that, but Wilt DOMINATED at the DEFENSIVE end, as well.

How about this...


Wilt's post-season FG% allowed:

59-60:

Kerr regular season FG% against the league: .392
Kerr against Wilt in the playoffs: .294

Dierking regular season FG%: .365
Dierking vs Wilt in the post-season: .333

Russell regular season: .467
Russell vs. Wilt in the post-season: .446


60-61:

Kerr regular season: .397
Kerr vs Wilt: .321

Halbrook regular season: .335
Halbrook vs Wilt: .387


61-62:

Kerr regular season: .443
Kerr vs. Wilt: .376

Russell regular season: .457
Russell vs Wilt: .399


63-64:

Beaty regular season: .444
Beaty vs. Wilt: .520

Russell regular season: .433
Russell vs. Wilt: .386


64-65:

Embry regular season: .456
Embry vs Wilt: .438

Russell regular season: .438
Russell vs. Wilt: .446


65-66:

Russell regular season: .415
Russell vs. Wilt: .424


66-67:

Dierking regular season: .399
Dierking vs Wilt: .427

Russell regular season: .454
Russell vs. Wilt: .358

Thurmond regular season: .437
Thurmond vs. Wilt: .343


67-68:

Bellamy regular season: .541
Bellamy vs. Wilt: .421

Russell regular season: .425
Russell vs. Wilt: .440


68-69:

Thurmond regular season: .410
Thurmond vs Wilt: .392

Beaty regular season: .470
Beaty vs. Wilt: .383

Russell regular season: .433
Russell vs. Wilt: .397


69-70:

Walk regular season: .470
Walk vs Wilt: .395

Fox regular season: .524
Fox vs Wilt: .362

Bellamy regular season: .523
Bellamy vs Wilt: .456

Reed regular season: .507
Reed vs Wilt: .483


70-71:

Boerwinkle regular season: .485
Boerwinkle vs Wilt: .463

Fox regular season: .458
Fox vs Wilt: .434

Kareem regular season: .577
Kareem vs Wilt: .481


71-72:

Ray regular season: .499
Ray vs Wilt: .529

Kareem regular season: .574
Kareem vs Wilt: .457

Lucas regular season: .512
Lucas vs Wilt: .500


72-73:

Awtry regular season: .480
Awtry vs Wilt: .542

Thurmond regular season: .446
Thurmond vs Wilt: .373

Reed regular season: .474
Reed vs Wilt: .493



Again...THE greatest force at BOTH ends of the floor in NBA history...INCLUDING the post-season. AND, that is not some "hypothetical", but, rather a FACT.