Let me say, I AM happy for those who will benefit from the same sex marriage ruling

[Akrazotile]

Although I absolutely disagree with the grounds the court based its ruling on, I am glad that people who felt personally affronted by prohibitions on same sex marriage can now feel they're on equal footing with others as citizens. I genuinely like seeing other people happy. I don't wish exclusion, disappointment, oppression etc. onto anyone. Although there are people out there who get their pleasure from persecuting others, many who disagree with the way the courts handled this are not included in that category. I enjoy seeing others achieve a coup or reach a goal or overcome subjugation. I'm no hater, and I appreciate that in practice some people will be happy as a result of this ruling, which in principle was pretty anti-American IMO.

My position is that sometimes two parties outside myself will have conflict with regards to what makes them happy and how they wish to live. That's simply a reality of life. And it's not my role to play Grand Decider in their affairs. We aren't all identical as individuals, nor as communities. And we don't need to be. But the left seems as hell bent on its coercive moral crusades as the original Catholic conquistadors of Spain. But why? What is it about moral crusades that has such mass-appeal?

People are always looking for that validation. Ivy leaguers like feeling superior to state schoolers. Liberals like feeling superior to rednecks. Rednecks like feeling superior to blacks. Blacks like feeling superior to homosexuals. Mexicans like feeling superior to Guatamalans and Salvadorans. Muslims like feeling superior to Infidels. The French like feeling superior to Italians and so on.

The problem is that the left politicizes issues strictly based on this need to dominate the social heirarchy. They're interested in the ego boost they get from one-upping conservatives ideologically. They always have been. Now in practice, runaway/freed slaves in the north were always met with just as much racism in the North as in the South. But the North didn't have any need for slave labor itself, so they used it as a moral leverage ploy to make themselves look like the crowned ethical princes of the world. Now look today at cities like San Fransisco and Manhattan. Look at Beverly Hills. Poor blacks are shooed away quickly from the luxury high rises and gated neighborhoods from which the left preaches their values of tolerance and diversity at arms distance. They want that high ground from which they can lord over everyone, while of course making themselves the exception to the rule like a Catholic priest justifying his affection for little boys.

Meanwhile, where is the involvement on critical issues? Human trafficking is a major issue throughout the world. But no conservatives out there oppose stopping it. So there's no game to play. There's no political victory to score in fighting it. Child abuse and neglect is a major problem still in America, but conservatives don't SUPPORT child abuse and neglect, so why bother fight it, right? Urban violence and blight and denigration is very problematic, but those issues typically involve African Americans. Well shit, them rednecks hate the black man, right? So we can't go and criticize these inner cities, or we'll look just like the rednecks!!!!

When the conservative-backed military goes in to liberate Iraqis or Vietnamese from hardcore oppression, liberals fight it tooth and nail. As soon as a Democrat takes over, they're okay with it. These are the same people in Los Angeles who want to call on the national guard to fly into Kansas to integrate schools or force people to bake cakes in Indiana. Why can't these people make up their mind? It's because they aren't beholden to any personally derived principle, they're simply trying to play a game of posturing.

Can you believe, of all the issues in the world, of all the issues facing a country in which many openly gay people make millions and even billions of dollars and live on sprawling malibu estates and have orgies and fabulous dinner parties, while kids in poor areas are beaten or tied up in basement and burned with cigarette butts by their own parents, that America's national debate is over gay people getting married? It's pretty amazing to think about.

But again, starving children, poverty, violence, drugs, rape, bondage, depression, these things don't matter to the left UNTIL conservatives take a position on them that can be twisted into a caricature of an archaic, ignorant, hillbilly position the left can mock and ridiculous and rally against.

[Akrazotile]

Ah, and another example. Immigration.

The left wants higher required wages. Because conservatives don't. But the left supports the unchecked flooding of cheap illegal labor into the country which drives DOWN wages. Why? Because conservatives don't want that.

How can you reconcile wanting to encourage illegal immigration with wanting to raise wages in a supply and demand economy?

The answer: Because you're a mindless liberal sheep who antagonizes conservatives like an obnoxious fan at a baseball game decked out in his teams shit, feeling like you're part of the crowd, showing everyone you belong, yelling at the other team and getting the base validation you crave for showing everyone how much of a sheep you can be.

Good job!

[TripleA]

Ah, and another example. Immigration.

The left wants higher required wages. Because conservatives don't. But the left supports the unchecked flooding of cheap illegal labor into the country which drives DOWN wages. Why? Because conservatives don't want that.

How can you reconcile wanting to encourage illegal immigration with wanting to raise wages in a supply and demand economy?

The answer: Because you're a mindless liberal sheep who antagonizes conservatives like an obnoxious fan at a baseball game decked out in his teams shit, feeling like you're part of the crowd, showing everyone you belong, yelling at the other team and getting the base validation you crave for showing everyone how much of a sheep you can be.

Good job!


sorta impossible to stop latin americans from getting into this country. also the companies that use them for labor are just gonna pay people shit wages anyway.

[Akrazotile]

Let me try to give some more succinct cliff notes here:

Religion is largely rooted in a need for purpose. Now, any given religion might actually be right, I have no idea, but right or wrong, the appeal is clearly that it adds purpose to life.

Liberals have decided not to follow traditional religions that are based on texts they feel have been rendered obsolete by scientific discovery. That's fine.

But these liberals are still human. And THEY still need a purpose. And for most of them, it seems their purpose is to proselytize christians (not all religions, only the one that is a traditional power base in America, which liberals envy and feel threatened by) over to atheism. Liberals don't want to tolerate, include, welcome, live-and-let-live a different ideology. They want everyone towing the line under their umbrella. Of course, once christians were theoretically all eliminated, then liberals would start campaigning against Muslims. But for now, Muslim sympathy is a useful ally against Christian conservativism.

It's really all just a human power struggle. The left is no better morally or ethically than anyone else, and DO NOT let them convince you otherwise. Don't be bullied by silly bigot labels and race cards. That's when you know they have no argument or logic, and are desperate. They're non-religious conquistadors, unwilling to share their land with another powerful culture base.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Legend of Josh

[Akrazotile]

Legend of Josh

Damn dude. You're desperate for my attention. PM'ing me, following me around with a dozen names. I don't get it.

I thought we moved on anyway? I don't care what you say about me, but it's tedious having you always trying to derail my threads. And you go to such great lengths embarrassing yourself just to do it. You spend time on photoshop and making phony facebook accounts, scouring the internet for my information (and other posters'). It's so awkward. Your life literally revolves 75% around me, and 25% other ISH members. Do you realize that? Your entire life revolves around following and stalking message board members, BEGGING them for attention.

Check your life, Josh. Seriously. You've got major issues.

[fiddy]

Starface finna get married to a dude :facepalm

[BlakFrankWhite]

Damn dude. You're desperate for my attention. PM'ing me, following me around with a dozen names. I don't get it.

I thought we moved on anyway? I don't care what you say about me, but it's tedious having you always trying to derail my threads. And you go to such great lengths embarrassing yourself just to do it. You spend time on photoshop and making phony facebook accounts, scouring the internet for my information (and other posters'). It's so awkward. Your life literally revolves 75% around me, and 25% other ISH members. Do you realize that? Your entire life revolves around following and stalking message board members, BEGGING them for attention.

Check your life, Josh. Seriously. You've got major issues.

:roll:

When that dude said he "mind-raped" you....he was right

[Akrazotile]

bum p

[Crimsonrain777]

holy shit that's alot of text!!!

you're clearly bias but you do make some good points

[ROCSteady]

how many times this dude retire at this point?


Diatribe # 8,647

[Droid101]

meltdown

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Meltdown.

[Patrick Chewing]

Spoken like a true American. I think that's how most of us who disagree with the Court's decision feel. I think that's how most of us on the Right feel in general.


No need to bash the man or anyone of us in general if you do not agree.

[KevinNYC]

http://media.giphy.com/media/Z3NVDAamiuT4Y/giphy.gif

[chazzy]

Damn dude. You're desperate for my attention. PM'ing me, following me around with a dozen names. I don't get it.

I thought we moved on anyway? I don't care what you say about me, but it's tedious having you always trying to derail my threads. And you go to such great lengths embarrassing yourself just to do it. You spend time on photoshop and making phony facebook accounts, scouring the internet for my information (and other posters'). It's so awkward. Your life literally revolves 75% around me, and 25% other ISH members. Do you realize that? Your entire life revolves around following and stalking message board members, BEGGING them for attention.

Check your life, Josh. Seriously. You've got major issues.
We are ALL Legend of Josh, my e-ga. Insidehoops is your Shutter Island #mindrape

[niko]

Gays already had a lot of same rights due to community property laws. We just attached the word "marriage" to it. It's not big deal. Anyone who has a huge issue with this is either a religious nut, or has too much time on their hands.

My 2 cents. Written in 40 words, not 3 bazillion. But i have a job and don't live at home with my parents so i have less time.

[KevinNYC]

Gays already had a lot of same rights due to community property laws. We just attached the word "marriage" to it. It's not big deal. Anyone who has a huge issue with this is either a religious nut, or has too much time on their hands.

My 2 cents. Written in 40 words, not 3 bazillion. But i have a job and don't live at home with my parents so i have less time.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3127526/thumbs/o-JACK-EVANS-MARRIAGE-570.jpg

These guys got married in Texas on Friday, the day the ruling came down.
They are in their 80's and have been a couple for 54 years. Previously, if one of them had to go the hospital the other would not be allowed the same visitation rights as a husband and a wife. My guess would be this is a tremendously big deal for them.

[UK2K]

sorta impossible to stop latin americans from getting into this country. also the companies that use them for labor are just gonna pay people shit wages anyway.

Bullshit. We just asked it to be taken care of by the federal government.

At one point in California, they were spending $26million per MILE of fence. PER MILE. What did you do to a fence to cause it to be $26 million? I know. They gave the contracts to their friends and neighbors and big donors.

I bet you we could stop the flow of illegals easily if we wanted to, but we dont. Here check this out:

The US/Mexican bored is 1,933 miles long.

The MQ-9 Reaper Drone can has a range of 1,150 miles and flies at a speed of 300 mph.

That means with 13 predator drones covering a sector of 150 miles, we can cover EVERY SINGLE MILE OF BORDER EVERY 30 MINUTES.

We have nearly 1000 unmanned drones. Double the number of drones for border control to 26, and every mile of border can be covered every 15 minutes. Equip each with a thermal camera, and you could easily spot a group walking through the desert.

Preferably, I'd equip them with missiles as well but, thats just me.

At a cost of $40 million a piece, we can cover the entire border for just over a billion dollars.

Problem is, the right needs the border jumpers for labor, and the left needs the border jumpers for votes. Nobody wants to stop them.

[GimmeThat]

what is worth fighting for?

you know, prejudice, gossips, rumor, these are all subjects that comes up
in which ironically, it's probably the objective that burns people

funny thing is,
you beat someone who is down, someone who is weaker than you
nothing happens
you hit the wrong person, then all hell break loose

so,
what is worth fighting for?


we can fight about/discuss the constitution
we can praise the civil fighters


but how do you fight a broken system?
risk your life?

you want to know how someone is righteous?

in a world where no one can be trusted, one who inherently becomes a mass bomber

[KevinNYC]

Problem is, the right needs the border jumpers for labor, and the left needs the border jumpers for votes. Nobody wants to stop them.
Nice theory, but "border jumpers" can't vote.

[UK2K]

Nice theory, but "border jumpers" can't vote.

Not yet.

But they also couldn't legally drive six months ago either.

Pay attention and try and follow along.

[NumberSix]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3127526/thumbs/o-JACK-EVANS-MARRIAGE-570.jpg

These guys got married in Texas on Friday, the day the ruling came down.
They are in their 80's and have been a couple for 54 years. Previously, if one of them had to go the hospital the other would not be allowed the same visitation rights as a husband and a wife. My guess would be this is a tremendously big deal for them.
:wtf:

I would imagine that simply being listed as someone's emergency contact would.....

I'm not even going to finish that thought. Isn't that a matter of hospital policy? Surely the government isn't forcing hospitals to not let non-spouses visit people.

[shlver]

Gays already had a lot of same rights due to community property laws. We just attached the word "marriage" to it. It's not big deal. Anyone who has a huge issue with this is either a religious nut, or has too much time on their hands.

My 2 cents. Written in 40 words, not 3 bazillion. But i have a job and don't live at home with my parents so i have less time.
Nonsense. There are people who are indifferent to the outcome, but are unhappy with the decision. It is the fact that SCOTUS short circuited the legislative process. In your eyes, it is fine to short circuit the legislative process on this issue, but what if five justices short circuit the legislative process on an issue you OPPOSE?

[~primetime~]

These guys got married in Texas on Friday, the day the ruling came down.
They are in their 80's and have been a couple for 54 years. Previously, if one of them had to go the hospital the other would not be allowed the same visitation rights as a husband and a wife. My guess would be this is a tremendously big deal for them.
I'm having a hard time buying this one. I've been in ER, pretty sure I dictated who could visit me, and not a ring.

[Droid101]

I'm having a hard time buying this one. I've been in ER, pretty sure I dictated who could visit me, and not a ring.
If you're conscious, sure.

If not, then it falls to the legalities.

[~primetime~]

If you're conscious, sure.

If not, then it falls to the legalities.
eh...not sure that is worth mentioning as to why this is a 'huge deal'.

So, in the event you are unconscious in ER some hospitals will allow the 'spouse' in the room...parade time!

[UK2K]

Nonsense. There are people who are indifferent to the outcome, but are unhappy with the decision. It is the fact that SCOTUS short circuited the legislative process. In your eyes, it is fine to short circuit the legislative process on this issue, but what if five justices short circuit the legislative process on an issue you OPPOSE?
I don't care one way or the other.

I just think the justification for it was a sham, and was only pushed through because Obama lobbied for the result to be that SSM was legal no matter how they came to the conclusion.