So the general consensus is that Lebron is above Kobe

[GIF REACTION]

My question now is... How much will it take for Lebron to overtake Duncan?

I think winning another Championship and FMVP will be enough to catapult him above Duncan and into the top 5 class.

3 Rings
3 FMVPs
4 MVPs

[warriorfan]

No chance, he has 0 non-collusion rings. If LeBron never bailed to south beach and brought a few championships to Cleveland we could be having this discussion but unfortunately it didn't pan out that way.

[Meticode]

I don't think so. For me, in order for LeBron to be over Kobe, he's got to win a ring in Cleveland.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron top 20 at best kobe top 5

Facts

[Solefade]

I don't think so. For me, in order for LeBron to be over Kobe, he's got to win a ring in Cleveland.


LeBron is already better than Kobe on the eye test, but yeah he'll need a ring in Cleveland to overtake him resume wise.

[GIF REACTION]

The general consensus is that Lebron is above Kobe,

Much like the general consensus of MJ being the greatest

You can't dispute this

It's a social fact

[DaSeba5]

There's no consensus for either being better. Most people have them around the same range. Then it's a matter of preference.

I personally still have Kobe ahead of him. But it's close.

[dubeta]

Duncan hasnt won a ring as the man since 2005 (even then it was arguable), his career isnt nearly as good as people think. He lost in the 1st round multiple times, and choked many playoff series


I think another FMVP from Lebron would be enough to end the debate.

[Meticode]

LeBron is already better than Kobe on the eye test, but yeah he'll need a ring in Cleveland to overtake him resume wise.
Like I said, for me. Right now he isn't. By the time his career is over? Sure. If he wins a ring in Cleveland before then? Sure.

[GIF REACTION]

He is above Kobe now

He has always been the better player... and now he has the accolades to show for it

[ShackEelOKneel]

Duncan hasnt won a ring as the man since 2005 (even then it was arguable), his career isnt nearly as good as people think. He lost in the 1st round multiple times, and choked many playoff series


I think another FMVP from Lebron would be enough to end the debate.

LeBron would have many 1st round exits in the West as well, just like everybody else in the West. And you mention Duncan choking in a debate between him and LeBron is hilariously ironic.

[SexSymbol]

basically op is a retard, that even while being proven by first few answers to the thread still keeps repeating his same old shtick.
Kobe is above Lebron by the majority of people, there was a poll on espn like a month ago

[Real14]

:biggums:

[Kobr]

:facepalm

[iTare]

basically op is a retard, that even while being proven by first few answers to the thread still keeps repeating his same old shtick.
Kobe is above Lebron by the majority of people, there was a poll on espn like a month ago
http://media.giphy.com/media/nMAY9Uk6bEj8k/giphy.gif

[kennethgriffin]

Lol what general consensus

Every single forum/website/majority opinion ive ever seen has kobe well ahead


Even on ish's all time vote on a website full of LeTards

:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This only works when there's actually, you know, a general consensus...

For most people, Kobe is ahead of LeBron all-time. And rightfully so.

[DFish24]

Bran hasn't even surpassed Hakeem on the all-time list. He has no chance at Kobe/Duncan. That ship sailed when Bran colluded and lost in 2011. 2/6 and giving away multiple FMVP's to role players just cemented it even further.

[gts]

basically op is a retard, that even while being proven by first few answers to the thread still keeps repeating his same old shtick.
Kobe is above Lebron by the majority of people, there was a poll on espn like a month agoIsn't this just another one of Budaddiii's/Kiiiing's accounts

[NASH = BEST]

So the general consensus is that Lebron is above Kobe



basically op is a retard, that even while being proven by first few answers to the thread still keeps repeating his same old shtick.
Kobe is above Lebron by the majority of people, there was a poll on espn like a month ago

Yeah, I wonder what OP means by "general concensus", because last I checked this topic still gets debated and just won't go away.

Anyways, espn did have that sportsnation poll earlier this month and had Kobe winning over LeBron 64% to 36%.

Funny how Kobe won every state (including Florida) except for Ohio (of coarse) and Wyoming (weird), and the rest of the world too. :oldlol:

Yet, if this poll would have been a year ago I'm sure Kobe wins Ohio but loses in Florida. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Here's the link...

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/12996326/shaq-pick-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-their-primes

[Beastmode88]

http://i.imgur.com/oRTkyYt.png

[HylianNightmare]

He needs at least 3 rings I'm Cleveland probably 4

[andgar923]

I like both, and I hate both equally.

Kobe has the more refined skill set, a deadlier scorer.

But Bron is just a better 'player'.

I remember watching Bron in high school and thinking "this dude is a better player than Kobe!" I could see that he had a better feel for the game at that early age. Yes he was rough, but the natural instincts were there. Kobe was much better scorer (always has, always will), but Bron was just better at everything else.

But I love watching them both when they're at the top of their game. Oddly enough I love to watch them when they play the complete opposite of each other, ie.

When Kobe has around 2o points 8 boards 8 assists 2 steals... I think at times those are his best games. Just plays a beautiful all around non forced game, but I like to watch Bron when he scores 40 points 7 boards 7 assists 2 steals... he's dominant when he wants too, yet still has a good balance.

I think Bron is still top 10 with Kobe top 15 (somewhere there).

I like both at times love them, just my take.

[TheBigVeto]

Nah. Duncan is GOAT PF. Bron's not overtaking him.
It's ok. Bron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

[The-Legend-24]

5/7 > 2/6

[Straight_Ballin]

Bran hasn't even surpassed Hakeem on the all-time list. He has no chance at Kobe/Duncan. That ship sailed when Bran colluded and lost in 2011. 2/6 and giving away multiple FMVP's to role players just cemented it even further.

Look I realize this is a troll post but lebron did squeak past Hakeem for the top 10 all time list and that is where I have him. For someone that is a collider with only 2/6 to show for it, his stans should be THANKFUL that he's #10.

[dubeta]

Look I realize this is a troll post but lebron did squeak past Hakeem for the top 10 all time list and that is where I have him. For someone that is a collider with only 2/6 to show for it, his stans should be THANKFUL that he's #10.

Where should a career loser 1-9 without Pippen, be grateful to rank? Top 15?

[Beastmode88]

Where should a career loser 1-9 without Pippen, be grateful to rank? Top 15?

higher than someone who is 0-2 without wade.

[Straight_Ballin]

Where should a career loser 1-9 without Pippen, be grateful to rank? Top 15?

Weren't you posting yeasterday about how Jordan is GOAT?

He ranks above a 2/6 loser that never did anything without Wade....

[G0ATbe]

Are we talking about on ish or in the real world? Because the retards that think Le2/6 >Kobe are easily the minority outside of message boards.

[JohnMax]

The fact that Lebron has made this easy task of surpassing Kobe very difficult should tell you he's overrated.

[Sportal]

Kobe has always had one of the best franchises in the league. People forget that even when LeBron was bashing on the league, people would pack up and still move to LA, rather than Cleveland.

Your franchise makes your career as much as your teams do.

Kobe has had the best teams, the best FO, and the best market leading franchise. Leading to the better overall career.

LeBron is the better player.

Switch one thing (which teams they played for) and the question would be:

"Jordan or LeBron?"

Because LeBron vs Kobe wouldn't be on anyone's radar. And if the Cavs worked in the same way with Kobe, as they did LeBron, Kobe would have left as soon as possible.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe has always had one of the best franchises in the league. People forget that even when LeBron was bashing on the league, people would pack up and still move to LA, rather than Cleveland.

Your franchise makes your career as much as your teams do.

Kobe has had the best teams, the best FO, and the best market leading franchise. Leading to the better overall career.

LeBron is the better player.

Switch one thing (which teams they played for) and the question would be:

"Jordan or LeBron?"

Because LeBron vs Kobe wouldn't be on anyone's radar. And if the Cavs worked in the same way with Kobe, as they did LeBron, Kobe would have left as soon as possible.

So playing for the Lakers gives Lebron magical powers and gives him solid footwork in the post and a reliable jumper under pressure?

Cool...

[dubeta]

So playing for the Lakers gives Lebron magical powers and gives him solid footwork in the post and a reliable jumper under pressure?

Cool...


It gives him something greater...




http://www.basketsportr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/4d086e061d950a7b1ff878760bd162d9f3d3c9b6.jpg

[nzahir]

Lebron top 20 at best kobe top 5

Facts
Yes lebron is in the top 20, he is number 2

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

So playing for the Lakers gives Lebron magical powers and gives him solid footwork in the post and a reliable jumper under pressure?

Cool...
No point in talkin to Bran stans about skills, fundamentals and technique. They have no idea what they are

[DMAVS41]

It gives him something greater...




http://www.basketsportr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/4d086e061d950a7b1ff878760bd162d9f3d3c9b6.jpg

Yep. Great.

And if Lebron had won 5 titles with Shaq and a couple more on his own...he'd still be a worse player than MJ.

Only thing Lebron will potentially have on MJ is longevity....every other ship has sailed.

[dubeta]

Yep. Great.

And if Lebron had won 5 titles with Shaq and a couple more on his own...he'd still be a worse player than MJ.

Only thing Lebron will potentially have on MJ is longevity....every other ship has sailed.

So hypothetically Lebron with 7-8 rings, 5-6 FMVP, 5-6 MVPs is worse than Jordan?? :lol

[nzahir]

No point in talkin to Bran stans about skills, fundamentals and technique. They have no idea what they are
Who shoots a better 3 point percentage again...o ya bron. Even though apparently he cant shoot and has no real skills right, and they both shoot exactly the same amount for career(4.0 a game).
Who shoots better in the post again....Bron. Who shoots better percentage overall again....bron.
Who is a better rebounder...bron. Who is a much much better playmaker and passer...u guessed it-bron. Who can guard more positions again...bron.
Now tell me what kobe is better at again; mid range jumpers is all he got but too bad a mid range contested jumper isnt as easy as a drive to the basket or post up.
THESE ARE ALL FACTS

[Sportal]

Yep. Great.

And if Lebron had won 5 titles with Shaq and a couple more on his own...he'd still be a worse player than MJ.

Only thing Lebron will potentially have on MJ is longevity....every other ship has sailed.

Yeah, but as I said, if it were the case the topic of Kobe vs LeBron wouldn't exist. It would be LeBron vs Jordan. I never said who wins.

Switch franchises and the Kobe vs LeBron wouldn't even be a thing.

[SpecialQue]

This is adorable. Someday you'll get over Lebron losing in the finals again, I promise.

[Cold soul]

Kobe well ranked above Lebron he needs at least another ring to above Kobe majority have Kobe over Lebron more accomplished much better career greater champion.

[Sportal]

Kobe well ranked above Lebron he needs at least another ring to above Kobe majority have Kobe over Lebron more accomplished much better career greater champion.

Because of, and only because of: much better teams, much better franchise, much better FO.

[KembaWalker]

So hypothetically Lebron with 7-8 rings, 5-6 FMVP, 5-6 MVPs is worse than Jordan?? :lol

You think LeBron would even sniff a FMVP/MVP playing alongside prime Shaq :roll:

[Cold soul]

Because of, and only because of: much better teams, much better franchise, much better FO.

It has something to do with it but not all for instance Lebron didn't take over until old guard got old and exciting their primes those bring Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan. Lebron took over as leagues best player 2010 at a perfect time kind of like MJ in early 90's. I'll take Kobe at his best over Lebron come postseason time he has those intangibles you can't teach along with will to win and killer instinct. Kobe had to face much tougher teams in brutal Western Conference just look at all 50+ teams he had to beat reaching the Finals it's crazy impressive something Lebron never did in pathetic weak East.

[Sportal]

You think LeBron would even sniff a FMVP/MVP playing alongside prime Shaq :roll:

Lebron playing with prime Shaq has "triple-double" written all over Lebron's career playoff stats. Which would mean it's highly possible.

Who would you rather?

Magic and Kareem?

Or

LeBron and Shaq? At the same ages that Shaq and Kobe were.

At the Lakers.

[nzahir]

You think LeBron would even sniff a FMVP/MVP playing alongside prime Shaq :roll:
Bron would be a walking 25, 10, and 12; if he had a guy to just dump it down to who would dunk it every time

[branslowski]

I like both, and I hate both equally.

Kobe has the more refined skill set, a deadlier scorer.

But Bron is just a better 'player'.

I remember watching Bron in high school and thinking "this dude is a better player than Kobe!"

Stop lyin, you started saying that after 05' when Kobe dropped 81 and retarded Kobe stans started saying "Kobe>>Jordan" which led you to hate Kobe...So Kobe was your target and don't deny it.

[DFish24]

So the guy who gets routinely outplayed by roleplayers in the Finals is all of a sudden gonna outplay Prime Shaq? Where you do Bran stans come up with this stuff:roll: Your a fool if you think Bran wins any MVP's of any kind playing with Prime Shaq.

[Sportal]

So the guy who gets routinely outplayed by roleplayers in the Finals is all of a sudden gonna outplay Prime Shaq? Where you do Bran stans come up with this stuff:roll: Your a fool if you think Bran wins any MVP's of any kind playing with Prime Shaq.

You're stupid if you don't see LeBron averaging a triple-double playing with Shaq.. Is 30+pts 10+rebs double-double, better than a 25+pts 10+rebs 10+asts triple-double?

[34-24 Footwork]

Good luck with Bran turning Shaq into a spot up shooter. Shaq and Bran wouldn't work as well as you stans think it would.

[34-24 Footwork]

You're stupid if you don't see LeBron averaging a triple-double playing with Shaq.. Is 30+pts 10+rebs double-double, better than a 25+pts 10+rebs 10+asts triple-double?

Lol @ all these hypotheticals. You guys discredit Kobe for winning alongside Shaq, while using your imagination to prop up Lebron by using imaginary stats.

You guys are desperate af...

[dubeta]

Good luck with Bran turning Shaq into a spot up shooter. Shaq and Bran wouldn't work as well as you stans think it would.

Like how Bran turned Shaq into a spot-up shooter when Shaq was in Cleveland? :roll:

[Droid101]

Like how Bran turned Shaq into a spot-up shooter when Shaq was in Cleveland? :roll:
That's the argument you want to go with?

You realize the year before he was an 18-8 All Star, and then joined bran to become a 12-6 nothing.

Bran, making absolutely everyone worse.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lebron has fools thinking that he can play with anyone other than spot up shooters.

Bosh was 24 and 12 before he left for the Heat :lol :lol

He's Bonzi Wells on steroids.

[dubeta]

That's the argument you want to go with?

You realize the year before he was an 18-8 All Star, and then joined bran to become a 12-6 nothing.

Bran, making absolutely everyone worse.

He was a year old, and played less minutes

IIRC adjusting for minutes he put up similar numbers



Its still better than Kobe literally sending a 26 year old best C in basketball Dwight and top 5 PG Steve Nash into retirement :lol

[Sportal]

Lol @ all these hypotheticals. You guys discredit Kobe for winning alongside Shaq, while using your imagination to prop up Lebron by using imaginary stats.

You guys are desperate af...

You really shouldn't use "you guys". The only facts YOU GUYS, want to use is "5/7, 2/6". Kobe fans never want to talk teams, franchises, FOs, best players, second best players, MVPs, FMVP, stats, records, nothing. You guys just cling onto one thing... So who's "desperate af"?

[DMAVS41]

So hypothetically Lebron with 7-8 rings, 5-6 FMVP, 5-6 MVPs is worse than Jordan?? :lol

Yes.

This shouldn't be hard to grasp.

Winning a bunch of titles on loaded teams doesn't make a player better than another on that alone.

It actually matters how good you are.

[Euroleague]

Kobe was way better than LeBron is. The only place LeBron is better is in the minds of LeBron stans and the echo chambers of ESPN broadcasts.

[tpols]

Yes.

This shouldn't be hard to grasp.

Winning a bunch of titles on loaded teams doesn't make a player better than another on that alone.

It actually matters how good you are.

I don't think bron could ever reach those marks.. but if he did, I mean Jordan had the most stacked teams in the past three decades in terms of help when he came back from his first threepeat.

I don't think its possible that he pulls off another 3-4 titles but if he did you couldn't really discount it on the help thing.

[warriorfan]

Lebron playing with prime Shaq has "triple-double" written all over Lebron's career playoff stats. Which would mean it's highly possible.



More like has "Shaq is overrated", "LeBron needs more help" written all over it. :lol

[AirFederer]

I like both, and I hate both equally.

Kobe has the more refined skill set, a deadlier scorer.

But Bron is just a better 'player'.

I remember watching Bron in high school and thinking "this dude is a better player than Kobe!" I could see that he had a better feel for the game at that early age. Yes he was rough, but the natural instincts were there. Kobe was much better scorer (always has, always will), but Bron was just better at everything else.

But I love watching them both when they're at the top of their game. Oddly enough I love to watch them when they play the complete opposite of each other, ie.

When Kobe has around 2o points 8 boards 8 assists 2 steals... I think at times those are his best games. Just plays a beautiful all around non forced game, but I like to watch Bron when he scores 40 points 7 boards 7 assists 2 steals... he's dominant when he wants too, yet still has a good balance.

I think Bron is still top 10 with Kobe top 15 (somewhere there).

I like both at times love them, just my take.

Completly agree. Funny thing is that they kind of excel where the other has his weakness. Kobe has the footwork, fluidity and postplay while Bron does not, but has sick court vision and plays very efficient (normaly), which Kobe isn't.

[SexSymbol]

You're stupid if you don't see LeBron averaging a triple-double playing with Shaq.. Is 30+pts 10+rebs double-double, better than a 25+pts 10+rebs 10+asts triple-double?
LeBron is terrible at throwing down passes to a guy trying to post up.
And his rebounds go down with prime shaq on the team.
23-7-6 is the realistic statline for bron playing with shaq.
But they probably don't win, LeBron lacks clutchness and will to take the team over the hump when shaq fouls out

[SexSymbol]

Completly agree. Funny thing is that they kind of excel where the other has his weakness. Kobe has the footwork, fluidity and postplay while Bron does not, but has sick court vision and plays very efficient (normaly), which Kobe isn't.
Kobe is very efficient and has a great court vision

[Bandito]

Lebron is over Kobe in the most pathetic finals performance for a superstar ever.

[Magic 32]

bummpity bump bump.

Bookmarked for June. Thanks

[Mr Feeny]

Pretty much, and he's only 31. The gap will keep increasing:oldlol:

[G-Funk]

Lebron gonna need to win one more and he will definitly be above him

[Mr Feeny]

I don't think Kobe stans can read :roll:
LeBron is already WAYYYY ahead of him. He'll keep increasing the lead.

Curry jumps ahead its one more mvp and one more tile :lebronamazed: