objectively speaking, did kobe really.....

[riseagainst]

have a top 10 peak of all time?

IMO his peak is really on the peak of T-Mac, Jerry West, A.I., so not top 10. Definitely top 20 peak though.

[dubeta]

4.5" ... You be the judge

[Rocketswin2013]

Probably not.

[BigNBAfan]

4.5" ... You be the judge

like the size of lebrons d!ck

[riseagainst]

like the size of lebrons d!ck

:lol

[Done_And_Done]

like the size of lebrons d!ck

:lol

[LeFraud James]

like the size of lebrons d!ck

:roll:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

like the size of lebrons d!ck

:roll:

[Bond007]

:roll:

[Smoke117]

No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.

[Quickening]

like the size of lebrons d!ck

Flaccid

[fiddy]

Flaccid
Thats all he got anyway, severe case of ED due to abuse of ROIDS

[Myth]

:lol

[imnew09]

Thats all he got anyway, severe case of ED due to abuse of ROIDS
Lebeta fans be taking Ls from left to right

[GIF REACTION]

This forum is cancer

[Kobe_6/8]

No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/kobe-81-575.jpg

https://courtsideconvo.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/jcgf-1.gif

[Wade's Rings]

No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.

:applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.

Wade must be the most irrelevant player on the planet if he had such a GOAT peak and the only people who give a shit are his stans. Damn shame.

[StephHamann]

like the size of lebrons d!ck

http://i.imgur.com/jnIRkOZ.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Top 10-15 peak IMO


No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.

I used to think that as well, until I put proper perspective on his postseason run. First round exit while playing below his standards isn't better than Kobe's 2008 run where he led the Lakers pre Pau to the #1 seed in the West, and subsequently the Finals while beating the defending champion Spurs. In the playoffs Kobe also put up ~30/6/6 on 58%TS with elite defense - so if we're talking about results and actual play on the court, no, Wade's 2009 season isn't greater than "any" of Kobe's.

[Wade's Rings]

I used to think that as well, until I put proper perspective on his postseason run. First round exit while playing below his standards isn't better than Kobe's 2008 run where he led the Lakers pre Pau to the #1 seed in the West, and subsequently the Finals while beating the defending champion Spurs. In the playoffs Kobe also put up ~30/6/6 on 58%TS with elite defense - so if we're talking about results and actual play on the court, no, Wade's 2009 season isn't greater than "any" of Kobe's.

2006 Wade? 2011 Wade?

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think Kobe the Lakers were holding the #1 seed the whole year but they were a Top 4 Seed for sure.

[riseagainst]

2006 Wade? 2011 Wade?

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think Kobe the Lakers were holding the #1 seed the whole year but they were a Top 4 Seed for sure.

they were 30-16 before Pau got to L.A.

[MEB2kDeez]

like the size of lebrons d!ck
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

2006 Wade? 2011 Wade?

Huh? I was addressing his "2009 > any Kobe year" comment.


I'm not 100% sure but I don't think Kobe the Lakers were holding the #1 seed the whole year but they were a Top 4 Seed for sure.

Atop the Western Conference prior to Pau being traded. Look it up. :confusedshrug:

[Kvnzhangyay]

no, and that is part of the reason why he is fringe top 10 all time, if not outside of the top 10

[sportjames23]

like the size of lebrons d!ck

dubeta takin L's all day today. I mean, even more than usual.

[Jacks3]

No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.


Wade wasn't even better in 2009. :oldlol:

[Braincells]

Are we adjusting for conferences and/or competition? If so, I don't think there was a single season where Wade was better. Even 21 year old Kobe would drop 40-50 points on powerhouse teams like the Spurs and Kings regularly. Then you have the 2006 Kobe who dropped 62 in three quarters on the same Mavs team Wade would go on to beat in the finals.

Same applies to Lebron. Adjust for conferences and competition, and his so-called "peak" diminishes to empty stats against weak competition.

[Wade's Rings]

Huh? I was addressing his "2009 > any Kobe year" comment.

Oh ok.



Atop the Western Conference prior to Pau being traded. Look it up. :confusedshrug:

All I found is that they were 29-16 which I'm not even sure is the accurate record but I do think help is a factor but I don't want to bash Kobe.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade wasn't even better in 2009. :oldlol:

:roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh ok.

Yeah.

I do think 2008 Bean > 2011 Wade, but 2006 is definitely close.

I don't read too much into player quotes, but I read somewhere that following the Heat championship in 2006, Mourning claimed Kobe was "still the better player" and "MVP of this league".

Again I don't put alot of stock into it, but it's still interesting nonetheless.

[ISHGoat]

No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.

this.

09 wade > any season kobe ever had

[Jacks3]

:roll:

:confusedshrug:

Kobe 09 was very widely regarded as the #2 player in the league and the best SG in the league. Wade certainly has a great case, but so does Bryant, and it was nowhere near the clear-cut consensus that Wade was better. I have no idea what's so funny.

[Wade's Rings]

Yeah.

I do think 2008 Bean > 2011 Wade, but 2006 is definitely close.

I don't read too much into player quotes, but I read somewhere that following the Heat championship in 2006, Mourning claimed Kobe was "still the better player" and "MVP of this league".

Again I don't put alot of stock into it, but it's still interesting nonetheless.

Zo did say that...IIRC he said Kobe is still the best in the world.

[Wade's Rings]

:confusedshrug:

Kobe 09 was very widely regarded as the #2 player in the league and the best SG in the league. Wade certainly has a great case, but so does Bryant, and it was nowhere near the clear-cut consensus that Wade was better. I have no idea what's so funny.

Wade's Regular Season was easily better.

[STATUTORY]

Wade's Regular Season was easily better.
and it's not even close right?

:rolleyes: so sad that kids type so much bulllshit on this forum that they start believing it

[TheCorporation]

Dwyane Wade 2009
30-8-5 on 49% FG, 32% 3P, 1.3 bpg, 2.2 spg, 3.4 topg

Kobe Bryant 2009
27-5-5 on 47% FG, 35% 3P, .5 bpg, 1.5 spg, 2.6 topg

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dwyane Wade 2009
30-8-5 on 49% FG, 32% 3P, 1.3 bpg, 2.2 spg, 3.4 topg

Kobe Bryant 2009
27-5-5 on 47% FG, 35% 3P, .5 bpg, 1.5 spg, 2.6 topg

Now post their playoff stats.

[dontgetchoked]

Now post their playoff stats.

wade 29.1/5.0/5.3/0.9stl/1.6blk 44/36/86 in 7 games

kobe 30.2/5.3/5.5/1.7/0.9 46/35/88 in 23 games

[TheMarkMadsen]

Gotta love the double standard

06 & 07 Kobe get brought down because he lost in the first round while 09 Wade is on some type of Untouchable goat tier.

Same as always, constantly moving the goal post to discredit Kobe.

If we are being honest 01 playoff Kobe > any version of Wade.

[buddha]

No he didn't. He doesn't even have the best peak of a shooting guard of his own era...Wade does. Whether single year, Wade's 2009 is > than any of Kobe's, and for a 2-3 year period he was better than Kobe ever was in 2009-2011.

lol the year the Heat only won 43 games? lmao

Kobe's 06 >>>

35/5/5 is a legendary peak. McGrady came close with 32/6/5 but 3 points more per game is 3 points more per game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

wade 29.1/5.0/5.3/0.9stl/1.6blk 44/36/86 in 7 games

kobe 30.2/5.3/5.5/1.7/0.9 46/35/88 in 23 games

So when we factor in that Kobe had better numbers, in the playoffs, while also leading HIS team to a championship...how exactly is 2009 Wade greater than 2009 Kobe? And more importantly Kobe at the peak of his powers?

[Wade's Rings]

and it's not even close right?

:rolleyes: so sad that kids type so much bulllshit on this forum that they start believing it

Regular Season wasn't close IMO....Kobe had the better PostSeason though.

[Wade's Rings]

Gotta love the double standard

06 & 07 Kobe get brought down because he lost in the first round while 09 Wade is on some type of Untouchable goat tier.

Same as always, constantly moving the goal post to discredit Kobe.

If we are being honest 01 playoff Kobe > any version of Wade.

Who has a double standard? Wade's 2009 Regular Season > Kobe's 2006 Regular Season IMO...I only mentioned Playoffs as a response to Kuniva and even then I never said 2009 Wade > 2009 Kobe factoring in Playoffs :confusedshrug:

[Wade's Rings]

So when we factor in that Kobe had better numbers, in the playoffs, while also leading HIS team to a championship...how exactly is 2009 Wade greater than 2009 Kobe? And more importantly Kobe at the peak of his powers?

So how are 2008 Kobe & 2006 Wade close if 1 Guy won and the other didn't?

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe's peak was MJesque, so yes def top ten peak

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So how are 2008 Kobe & 2006 Wade close if 1 Guy won and the other didn't?

2008 is close because of Kobe's all-around play, and the fact he took his team to the finals.

Personally? I don't rate 2009 Wade as high anymore because I felt he underachieved. Miami should have beaten the Hawks IMO, as Wade left some room for improvement.

Games of:
18/5/5 on .381% shooting (8/21 FG)
22/6/7 on .362% shooting (9/26 FG)

Isn't getting it done. Those are horrific games by the standard of "best SG".

[Wade's Rings]

lol the year the Heat only won 43 games? lmao

Kobe's 06 >>>

35/5/5 is a legendary peak. McGrady came close with 32/6/5 but 3 points more per game is 3 points more per game.

30/5/8 isn't?

[Wade's Rings]

2008 is close because of Kobe's all-around play, and the fact he took his team to the finals.

Personally? I don't rate 2009 Wade as high anymore because I felt he underachieved. Miami should have beaten the Hawks IMO, as Wade left some room for improvement.

Games of:
18/5/5 on .381% shooting (8/21 FG)
22/6/7 on .362% shooting (9/26 FG)

Isn't getting it done. Those are horrific games by the standard of "best SG".

Agreed Miami should've beaten the Hawks and Wade didn't play well in Game 4 & Game 7 shooting Wise.

[Bosnian Sajo]

have a top 10 peak of all time?

IMO his peak is really on the peak of T-Mac, Jerry West, A.I., so not top 10. Definitely top 20 peak though.


AI - 0 championships

T Mac - got out of the 1st round once

Jerry West - does anyone really care? Idek his accomplishments, all I know is that he got defeated time and time again in the finals, but is one hell of a GM.

Kobe - 5 championships

How do these 4 even compare? AI, TMac, JWest do compare...but Kobe is on another level.

[Smoke117]

:confusedshrug:

Kobe 09 was very widely regarded as the #2 player in the league and the best SG in the league. Wade certainly has a great case, but so does Bryant, and it was nowhere near the clear-cut consensus that Wade was better. I have no idea what's so funny.

To who exactly? Any sane person knows that Wade and Lebron were easily the two best players in the league in 09.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

To who exactly? Any sane person knows that Wade and Lebron were easily the two best players in the league in 09.

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2009/06/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-is-still-the-best-player-in-the-game/

Wade claimed Kobe was the best player in 2009. Are you calling him insane? :oldlol: 2009 was a three way debate. Don't re-write history because of your irrational hate.

[Smoke117]

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2009/06/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-is-still-the-best-player-in-the-game/

Wade claimed Kobe was the best player in 2009. Are you calling him insane? :oldlol: 2009 was a three way debate. Don't re-write history because of your irrational hate.

Who the **** cares what Wade said? Both of them were better than Kobe in every conceivable way and most importantly the big three: scoring, play making, defense.

Also, all these Kobe stans can deny Wade was better in 2009 all they want to. I'm a Wade stan so I'm biased too, but...most people who don't have a horse in this race consider Wade in 2009 better than any version of Kobe.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who the **** cares what Wade said?

Yeah who cares about the guy who's actually playing against dude during said season...

OK :oldlol:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2009/06/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-is-still-the-best-player-in-the-game/

Wade claimed Kobe was the best player in 2009. Are you calling him insane? :oldlol: 2009 was a three way debate. Don't re-write history because of your irrational hate.
4 way debate
CP was there too, too bad he got injured in the playoff
Dirk shouldve been in the convo but he got mad underrated

[Jacks3]

To who exactly? Any sane person knows that Wade and Lebron were easily the two best players in the league in 09.

I guess everybody else was insane because Bryant was absolutely widely regarded as a top 2 player in the league and the best SG.


GM Poll:

Which player forces opposing coaches to make the most adjustments?
#1--LeBron
#2--Bryant

Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
#1--Bryant. 89.7% of the vote.

RealGM ranked him #2.

Tons of online lists with him in the top 2.

Stop with the revisionist history. Wade being the clear #2/best SG was not even remotely close to being the consensus.

[Wade's Rings]

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2009/06/dwyane-wade-kobe-bryant-is-still-the-best-player-in-the-game/

Wade claimed Kobe was the best player in 2009. Are you calling him insane? :oldlol: 2009 was a three way debate. Don't re-write history because of your irrational hate.

http://fansided.com/2014/10/04/miami-heats-dwyane-wade-one-better-im-right/

Wade also said when Healthy he's the best 2 Guard in the NBA...I'm sure he was healthy in 2009 :confusedshrug:

[DaOldLion]

http://fansided.com/2014/10/04/miami-heats-dwyane-wade-one-better-im-right/

Wade also said when Healthy he's the best 2 Guard in the NBA...I'm sure he was healthy in 2009 :confusedshrug:

your quoting something from 2014 and they were asking him about that season :facepalm :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://fansided.com/2014/10/04/miami-heats-dwyane-wade-one-better-im-right/

Wade also said when Healthy he's the best 2 Guard in the NBA...I'm sure he was healthy in 2009 :confusedshrug:

If he were healthy in 2014? I would totally agree. Wade showed glimpses of that this season where earlier in the year I predicted he would be better than Harden. Wasn't the brightest of ideas but LOL... Yeah I don't think it saying much with the SG positon being 'pretty good' at best.

[Wade's Rings]

your quoting something from 2014 and they were asking him about that season :facepalm :facepalm

Reporter:


When Wade is physically right, are any better?

Wade:

[QUOTE]

[Smoke117]

I guess everybody else was insane because Bryant was absolutely widely regarded as a top 2 player in the league and the best SG.


GM Poll:

Which player forces opposing coaches to make the most adjustments?
#1--LeBron
#2--Bryant

Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
#1--Bryant. 89.7% of the vote.

RealGM ranked him #2.

Tons of online lists with him in the top 2.

Stop with the revisionist history. Wade being the clear #2/best SG was not even remotely close to being the consensus.

That Kobe Bryant is popular has never been in question. His popularity/reputation is the whole reason he has more than half of his all defensive team nods.

[Cold soul]

Peak Kobe is better than Wade was at his best he's above him but not by a lot.

[theoneneo]

Lmao ya'll bored eh. That 2/6 burning real slow.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe has a top 10 peak definitely. Not many 35 ppg seasons around

[ArbitraryWater]

2008 is close because of Kobe's all-around play, and the fact he took his team to the finals.

Personally? I don't rate 2009 Wade as high anymore because I felt he underachieved. Miami should have beaten the Hawks IMO, as Wade left some room for improvement.

Games of:
18/5/5 on .381% shooting (8/21 FG)
22/6/7 on .362% shooting (9/26 FG)

Isn't getting it done. Those are horrific games by the standard of "best SG".

thats what I always said.. and statistically, 2009 CP3 is pretty on par with Wade.. but I am confused, I remember you always saying 2009 Wade was better than any Kobe version? :D


AI - 0 championships

T Mac - got out of the 1st round once

Jerry West - does anyone really care? Idek his accomplishments, all I know is that he got defeated time and time again in the finals, but is one hell of a GM.

Kobe - 5 championships

How do these 4 even compare? AI, TMac, JWest do compare...but Kobe is on another level.

but, peak..

Thats not even the funniest here though, that Jerry West comment? cmon :oldlol:

[COnDEMnED]

This forum is cancer
Don't die off to quickly.

[Rojogaqu11]

I'm impressed with what Wade and James did in the 2000s but one of the few things that bother me is that they played in the 2000's East which is just historically horrible.

In my estimation Kobe was simply better at his peak, and something that helps him is that he had several years where you could argue he was at his best. From early 2001 to 2003, from 2005 to 2011, there are many slightly different versions of the same player. Watching Kobe at his best was like watching a different animal, a particular kind of weapon not seen since Jordan. I never got that vibe from Wade or Lebron because they could be limited in a few ways. Lebron did become unstopabble later tho.

[Wade's Rings]

I'm impressed with what Wade and James did in the 2000s but one of the few things that bother me is that they played in the 2000's East which is just historically horrible.

In my estimation Kobe was simply better at his peak, and something that helps him is that he had several years where you could argue he was at his best. From early 2001 to 2003, from 2005 to 2011, there are many slightly different versions of the same player. Watching Kobe at his best was like watching a different animal, a particular kind of weapon not seen since Jordan. I never got that vibe from Wade or Lebron because they could be limited in a few ways. Lebron did become unstopabble later tho.

A Peak is 1 year. How dis Wade limited in a few ways? Out of those 3 he plays the best vs Elite Defenses.

[Young X]

I would say...

Jordan
Shaq
Bron
Hakeem
Magic
Bird
Duncan possibly

had better peaks.

Obviously didn't see Wilt and Kareem at their best but on paper their peaks are better too.


The thing with Kobe is his most dominant individual seasons and his team's success never really coincided. Same reason why he only has 1 MVP.

His '03 , '06 and '07 seasons were all on 50 win and below teams and ended in 1st and 2nd round exits which really isn't any different from what guys like Barkley, KG, or Wade did in their best seasons.

And in the years he won championships he had great but not ridiculous level seasons.

[Braincells]

The thing with Kobe is his most dominant individual seasons and his team's success never really coincided. Same reason why he only has 1 MVP.

Well... if Luke Walton is your third best player in a highly competitive conference, you can only expect a string of scoring performances and no team success. I'm not sure if anyone other than Jordan had better peaks listed. No one is ever going to score 81 points again or light up a team for 62 in three quarters.

[TheBigVeto]

Nope.

[ShawkFactory]

You could argue no.

[Young X]

Well... if Luke Walton is your third best player in a highly competitive conference, you can only expect a string of scoring performances and no team success. I'm not sure if anyone other than Jordan had better peaks listed. No one is ever going to score 81 points again or light up a team for 62 in three quarters.I can make the same post about Wade or KG. Just replace Luke Walton with Michael Beasley or Troy Hudson.

Kobe never had that one season. Like '91 Jordan, '00 Shaq for example. In 2006 he scored a bunch of points on a 7th seeded team that eventually ended in a 1st round exit. Wade basically did the same thing in 2009. It was an amazing season but it's not GOAT level.

[Cold soul]

Kobe peak is top 10ish so yes.

[ArbitraryWater]

I would say...

Jordan
Shaq
Bron
Hakeem
Magic
Bird
Duncan possibly

had better peaks.

Obviously didn't see Wilt and Kareem at their best but on paper their peaks are better too.


The thing with Kobe is his most dominant individual seasons and his team's success never really coincided. Same reason why he only has 1 MVP.

His '03 , '06 and '07 seasons were all on 50 win and below teams and ended in 1st and 2nd round exits which really isn't any different from what guys like Barkley, KG, or Wade did in their best seasons.

And in the years he won championships he had great but not ridiculous level seasons.

very simple, very on point.

2003 McGrady, 2006 Kobe, 2009 Wade, are all pretty much the same level.

Amazing individual seasons with bad supporting casts, all resulting in first round exits, all in 7.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I can make the same post about Wade or KG. Just replace Luke Walton with Michael Beasley or Troy Hudson.

Kobe never had that one season. Like '91 Jordan, '00 Shaq for example. In 2006 he scored a bunch of points on a 7th seeded team that eventually ended in a 1st round exit. It was an amazing season but it's not GOAT level. Wade basically did the same thing in 2009.

yet you don't hold only having one MVP against Shaq..

such a double standard, who the fucc cares about MVP.. it's a popularity contest whose criteria changes year by year

Steve Nash has twice as many MVP's as Shaq, 2 more than Wade, twice as many as Kobe.. was he that much better than these players..??

[Wade's Rings]

yet you don't hold only having one MVP against Shaq..

such a double standard, who the fucc cares about MVP.. it's a popularity contest whose criteria changes year by year

Steve Nash has twice as many MVP's as Shaq, 2 more than Wade, twice as many as Kobe.. was he that much better than these players..??

I think he meant Having an amazing Regular Season combined with an amazing Title Run.

For example if Kobe had his 2006 Regular Season + 2001 Post Season
2007 Regular Season + 2009 Post Season

If Wade had his 2009 Regular Season + 2006 Playoffs

[ArbitraryWater]

yet you don't hold only having one MVP against Shaq..

such a double standard, who the fucc cares about MVP.. it's a popularity contest whose criteria changes year by year

Steve Nash has twice as many MVP's as Shaq, 2 more than Wade, twice as many as Kobe.. was he that much better than these players..??

meh, who cares, we know Shaq was the true MVP in 2001 and Dirk in 2006.. Kobe really never had a better case than in '08.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think he meant Having an amazing Regular Season combined with an amazing Title Run.

For example if Kobe had his 2006 Regular Season + 2001 Post Season
2007 Regular Season + 2009 Post Season

If Wade had his 2009 Regular Season + 2006 Playoffs

so i guess Shaq only did this once according to him?

I guess Shaq's regular season dominance never coincided with team success according to this guy because he only has one MVP..?

great logic

[TheMarkMadsen]

meh, who cares, we know Shaq was the true MVP in 2001 and Dirk in 2006.. Kobe really never had a better case than in '08.

what are you talking about?? The MVP voters know all, they determine who the best player in the league is, they've never made mistakes, ever.

but i guess we are lucky to have you on the board who knows when the MVP voters did and did not make mistakes, even for the years you watched more blues clues than NBA basketball

:applause: :applause:

[Fire Colangelo]

yet you don't hold only having one MVP against Shaq..

such a double standard, who the fucc cares about MVP.. it's a popularity contest whose criteria changes year by year

Steve Nash has twice as many MVP's as Shaq, 2 more than Wade, twice as many as Kobe.. was he that much better than these players..??

Don't recall Kobe being involved in any MVP conversation other than 08 and 06. Shaq at least was in MVP talks for multiple seasons in his prime.

I mean.. in hindsight it's easy to point out who the "real" MVP is, but they were right selections at the time.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Speaking as a biased kobe-fan: No he did not.
Speaking as an unbiased fan: **** no.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Don't recall Kobe being involved in any MVP conversation other than 08 and 06. Shaq at least was in MVP talks for multiple seasons in his prime.

I mean.. in hindsight it's easy to point out who the "real" MVP is, but they were right selections at the time.

of course you don't :rolleyes:

top 5 in 02

top 3 in 03

top 5 in 04

top 3 in 07

top 2 in 09

top 3 in 10

top 5 in 11

top 5 in 12

top 5 in 13


Shaq has 8 top 5 finishes..

:confusedshrug:

[Wade's Rings]

so i guess Shaq only did this once according to him?

I guess Shaq's regular season dominance never coincided with team success according to this guy because he only has one MVP..?

great logic

Well it's his logic..Idc much for MVPs.

[Young X]

yet you don't hold only having one MVP against Shaq..

such a double standard, who the fucc cares about MVP.. it's a popularity contest whose criteria changes year by year

Steve Nash has twice as many MVP's as Shaq, 2 more than Wade, twice as many as Kobe.. was he that much better than these players..??This is what I said...

The thing with Kobe is his most dominant individual seasons and his team's success never really coincided. Same reason why he only has 1 MVP.I'm not holding him only having 1 MVP against him. The MVP isn't relevant to my argument, I just brought it up.

Kobe doesn't have a GOAT level season. What separates his '06 and '09 seasons from Wade's '09 and '06 seasons? What separates his '08 season from Barkley's '93 season or KG's '04 season?