MJ vs. Lebron: Playoff & Finals Stats Thru 30 Yrs Old and Career

[3ball]

For reference


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 3.3 tov.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ORtg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.0 spg.. 0.76 bpg.. 52.6 fg
Lebron: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6
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[SouBeachTalents]

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[diamenz]

damn. bron really getting exposed after this year's finals.

[Angel Face]

That's why MJ is the GOAT and the other guy is outside top 10.

[Soundwave]

Jordan is GOAT, so that's obvious, but LeBron's numbers aren't too bad. No one is the Finals performer MJ is.

[KobesFinger]

http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/4155603.jpg

How many LeBron vs Jordan threads are you going to make this week?

[r15mohd]

http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/4155603.jpg

How many LeBron vs Jordan threads are you going to make this week?


he's a lunatic...this guy started PM-ing me trying to prove his point from another thread

such a failure at life you are 3ball :facepalm

[sd3035]

I think this is one of Jordan's PR guys

[Megabox!]

That's why MJ is the GOAT and the other guy is outside top 10.
You MJ stans are retarded

[BarberSchool]

For reference


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER, 0.258 WS/48
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER, 0.234 WS/48


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER, 0.255 WS/48
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER, 0.234 WS/48


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6
Lebron 2015 Finals: 10.1**


FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1

** Includes zero points in 4th quarter of Game 4, with opportunity for Cavs to take 3-1 series lead (20 points total in game)
.This thread will be very useful, OP. Thanks!

[3ball]

Jordan is GOAT, so that's obvious, but LeBron's numbers aren't too bad. No one is the Finals performer MJ is.


Lebron's numbers aren't bad, but if you look at the stats above, it's a whitewash..

MJ shows a distinct advantage (if not a significant one) in virtually every category, except rebounds, while being almost even in assists.
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[r15mohd]

can you stop sending me PMs...you're cluttering my empty inbox :rolleyes:

[warriorfan]

For reference


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER, 0.258 WS/48
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER, 0.234 WS/48


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER, 0.255 WS/48
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER, 0.234 WS/48


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6
Lebron 2015 Finals: 10.1**


FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1

** Includes zero points in 4th quarter of Game 4, with opportunity for Cavs to take 3-1 series lead (20 points total in game)
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LeBron has less shots, more misses, worse defense, and few more uncontested rebounds.

MJ > LBJ

LBJ has no argument at all

[3ball]

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4th Quarter Scoring for MJ and Lebron:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6
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[3ball]

This thread will be very useful, OP. Thanks!


No problem.. And the NBA's official isolation stats (in the link above) show Lebron is a very poor isolation player - his regular season isolation stats are well below league-average, and he only shot 33.1% on isolations in the 2015 playoffs.

Of course, Golden State can look up his horrible isolation stats just like you and me.. Naturally, they ALLOWED Lebron to isolate all alone on the strongside without double-teaming, so he would continue to take a 33.1% shot over and over..

Essentially, they PLAYED him - it's always the best defensive strategy to let a player take a 33.1% shot over and over, similar to how teams exploit using hack-a-Deandre:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398





That's why MJ is the GOAT and the other guy is outside top 10.


http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs

Indeed, and Lebron's isolations stats are just further icing on a very icy cake: Lebron only shot 33.1% on isolations in the 2015 playoffs, which reduced his FG% more than any other factor because isolations are what Lebron does most often (32.7% of his possessions, which is the most often in the league).

Since isolation ability was the biggest factor driving Lebron's overall efficiency in these playoffs, we can conclude that MJ's vastly superior isolation ability would've allowed him to shoot much better.. 2+2=4.
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[3ball]

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/lebron-hate.jpg


The best team Lebron defeated in the East:

Hibbert and George < Shaq and Penny, Bad Boys, Riley's Knicks, etc

Lebron has inferior stats vs. inferior competition

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[3ball]

LeBron has less shots, more misses, worse defense, and few more uncontested rebounds.

LBJ has no argument at all


Lebron's less adjustable style prevents his teams from using optimal, cutting edge strategy.. Instead, it's the opposite - Lebron's Finals opponents are the ones employing the superior, cutting-edge strategy to beat him (i.e. Spurs, Warriors) - they're the ones that are considered the "smart" teams in the league, not Lebron's.

Otoh, MJ's teams WERE those very teams employing the cutting edge strategy and perceived as smart (like the Spurs, Warriors, etc.).. MJ's GOAT level of offensive sophistication (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37) provided the necessary adjustability and capacity to be the centerpiece of cutting edge strategy (the triangle).

Unfortunately, Lebron-ball's rigid, straightforward approach means it can never be part of an all-time great team - all-time great teams have always used cutting edge strategy over an extended period of time, which gives the team a sustainable advantage on the rest of the league.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron's less adjustable style prevents his teams from using optimal, cutting edge strategy.. Instead, it's the opposite - Lebron's Finals opponents are the ones employing the superior, cutting-edge strategy to beat him (i.e. Spurs, Warriors) - they're the ones that are considered the "smart" teams in the league, not Lebron's.

Otoh, MJ's teams WERE those very teams employing the cutting edge strategy and perceived as smart (like the Spurs, Warriors, etc.).. MJ's GOAT level of offensive sophistication (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37) provided the necessary adjustability and capacity to be the centerpiece of cutting edge strategy (the triangle).

Unfortunately, Lebron-ball's rigid, straightforward approach means it can never be part of an all-time great team - all-time great teams have always used cutting edge strategy over an extended period of time, which gives the team a sustainable advantage on the rest of the league.

These are good stats. Can you include Bird, Magic and Kobe?

I am interested to see how they compare.

Edit: meant to quote the original post

[warriorfan]

Unfortunately, Lebron-ball's rigid, straightforward approach means it can never be part of an all-time great team - all-time great teams have always used cutting edge strategy over an extended period of time, which gives the team a sustainable advantage on the rest of the league.

LeBron ball is too simplistic and can be too easily game planned against. That is why LeBron ball struggles and gets shut down vs smartly coached teams in 7 game series.