Tyson to Suns

[DMAVS41]

Wow...

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
The Suns are bringing Tyson Chandler into the meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge as part of their pitch, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[r15mohd]

Wow...

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
The Suns are bringing Tyson Chandler into the meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge as part of their pitch, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.


that is crazy...a twin towers duo.

i thought LMA was locked up by the Spurs already....or is it just pretty close to being locked up :confusedshrug:

[GIF REACTION]

What are your thoughts D?

[Fudge]

Wtf...

Alex Len is on the come up. What's going to happen to him?

PHX management is easily the stupidest in the league.

[Rab]

I like this. Len is developing, but hasn't shown the ability to play big minutes and is often injured. I think this will help him.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wtf...

Alex Len is on the come up. What's going to happen to him?

PHX management is easily the stupidest in the league.
Len to Cavs

[DMAVS41]

Parsons better come through on this shit....:rant

[StephHamann]

Parsons better come through on this shit....:rant

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/images/ariete5.jpg

[ImKobe]

Mavs are done

wasted these last 4 seasons fighting to lose in the 1st round and miss the Playoffs...Dirk taking that paycut :kobe:, for what? Chandler Parsons and Rajon Rondo?

OTOH, Suns are now a lock to make the Playoffs with TC protecting the rim. He was the highest impact player on the Mavs last season, leading the starters in PER and total WS.

[DMAVS41]

Mavs are done

wasted these last 4 seasons fighting to lose in the 1st round and miss the Playoffs...Dirk taking that paycut :kobe:, for what? Chandler Parsons and Rajon Rondo?

OTOH, Suns are now a lock to make the Playoffs with TC protecting the rim. He was the highest impact player on the Mavs last season, leading the starters in PER and total WS.

I will give the Mavs the chance to make this work with Wes/Jordan.

There is a chance this could all play out just fine, but ugh...this could be an epic disaster.

The chance would be some form of a sign and trade with the Suns involving Wright and Chandler. We dump Felton in that trade or some other way.

Sign Wes and Jordan...

Figure out a way to get a pg in here.

Seems very unlikely, but something along those lines is still technically possible.

I'll reserve my final take until this all plays out, but last year was a disaster because of that Parsons signing...and this one could be as well.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Very nice move for Tyson.

DMavs, you are in denial about the Mavs in rebuilding mode. Gtting Parsons is part of the bridge between Dirk and the next generation Mavs. They are rebuilding while still trying to be competitive.

[PejaNowitzki]

I wonder if Chandler is the next injury recovery project in Phoenix. Watch him be super healthy for the next few years. Len and Chandler on the floor together could be a nice duo. Len has pretty good mobility for a bigger guy and both are very good shot blockers.

[Meticode]

It's being reported the Suns have no cap space room for Aldridge, they spent ALL on Chandler.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/616331593775493120

[DMAVS41]

Very nice move for Tyson.

DMavs, you are in denial about the Mavs in rebuilding mode. Gtting Parsons is part of the bridge between Dirk and the next generation Mavs. They are rebuilding while still trying to be competitive.

We aren't trying to rebuild.

Looking to add Jordan and Wes Matthews is not rebuilding you clown.

You are in such denial about how bad the Parsons signing really could be. It already screwed last year...and has the potential to do it to us this year.

Oh...and Parsons can opt out after this season and leave.

We have basically just created a situation right now to drive up Parson's value by allowing him to do whatever he wants on the court this year.

That certainly doesn't help the Mavs...it helps Parsons.


Like I said before...I will let this play out first, but don't ****ing tell me we are trying to rebuild. You don't trade Crowder, Wright, and two picks if you are trying to rebuild. We are trying to win...and in my opinion, completely screwed up by signing Parsons.

Again...we'll see what happens, but it's not looking good.

[r15mohd]

It's being reported the Suns have no cap space room for Aldridge, they spent ALL on Chandler.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/616331593775493120


so they bring Chandler in to meet with LMA, and dont have the cap available...Suns = embarrassing :facepalm thanks for Dragon tho! :cheers:

[PejaNowitzki]

It's being reported the Suns have no cap space room for Aldridge, they spent ALL on Chandler.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/616331593775493120


Not if Bledsoe gets sent packing as is expected. I think eventually one if not both the Morris twins are goners too.


Aldridge is still a long shot for anyone other than the Spurs though IMO.

[PejaNowitzki]

so they bring Chandler in to meet with LMA, and dont have the cap available...Suns = embarrassing :facepalm thanks for Dragon tho! :cheers:


They wouldnt meet with Aldridge if they knew that they couldnt sign him.

[GreatHILL]

so they bring Chandler in to meet with LMA, and dont have the cap available...Suns = embarrassing :facepalm thanks for Dragon tho! :cheers:

dragon? lmao there is no dragon anymore in miami only the shadow lmao and thx for the 1st picks :oldlol:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Looking to add Jordan and Wes Matthews is not rebuilding you clown.


Um, yeah it is because the Mavs are trying to bring in **younger** quality pieces. They have been doing that since 2012. That is rebuilding. There is a difference between rebuilding and full out tanking.

The Mavs aren't tanking. But they are trying to rebuild (while competing) on the fly. And they are trying to do that by signing younger core players who will take the team after Dirk is gone in a couple of years.

[Rab]

They wouldnt meet with Aldridge if they knew that they couldnt sign him.
Stein reporting Portland has interest in Bledsoe. Sounds weird with Lillard being there, but sign and trade with some other pieces involved could be a possibility if that report is true.

[ShackEelOKneel]

It's being reported the Suns have no cap space room for Aldridge, they spent ALL on Chandler.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/616331593775493120

:roll:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

They may not have cap space but a sign and trade for LMA is an option.

[ShackEelOKneel]

Looking to add Jordan and Wes Matthews is not rebuilding you clown.


Um, yeah it is because the Mavs are trying to bring in **younger** quality pieces. They have been doing that since 2012. That is rebuilding. There is a difference between rebuilding and full out tanking.

The Mavs aren't tanking. But they are trying to rebuild (while competing) on the fly. And they are trying to do that by signing younger core players who will take the team after Dirk is gone in a couple of years.

So if Spurs add Aldridge and another player, they are rebuilding?

[DMAVS41]

Looking to add Jordan and Wes Matthews is not rebuilding you clown.


Um, yeah it is because the Mavs are trying to bring in **younger** quality pieces. They have been doing that since 2012. That is rebuilding. There is a difference between rebuilding and full out tanking.

The Mavs aren't tanking. But they are trying to rebuild (while competing) on the fly. And they are trying to do that by signing younger core players who will take the team after Dirk is gone in a couple of years.

Yea...that Rondo trade really was indicative of a team trying to get younger quality pieces. Same thing with the Tyson trade.

Of course the Mavs wanted to try and spend money on a star player or players that could lead them, I'm not disputing that.

I'm saying Parsons wasn't the guy to do that with.

If he lands us Wes and Jordan? I'll change my tune like I have said many times.

[SwishSquared]

It's being reported the Suns have no cap space room for Aldridge, they spent ALL on Chandler.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/616331593775493120Bledsoe could be key portion of a S&T b/c Olshey drafted him. Same with drafting Aminu. He's getting the band back together lol.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

So if Spurs add Aldridge and another player, they are rebuilding?

They have been in that transition mode for the last couple of years. Hence the Pop resting players, Reason why Duncan isn't option 1, etc etc... Kawhli draft pick for hill....

And yes getting Aldridge if they do is so he can be the guy after Duncan is gone.

You can rebuild your team while till being competitive.

The Spurs have transitioned a couple of times after 2007. First getting Splitter a young big to pair with Duncan and quite playing guys like Bonner, etc. They just happened to be really good at the same time.

[DMAVS41]

So if Spurs add Aldridge and another player, they are rebuilding?

They have been in that transition mode for the last couple of years. Hence the Pop resting players, Reason why Duncan isn't option 1, etc etc... Kawhli draft pick for hill....

And yes getting Aldridge if they do is so he can be the guy after Duncan is gone.

You can rebuild your team while till being competitive.

I'm not disputing that.

I know what their plan was/is...I'm telling you it's the wrong plan. And a team in rebuilding mode isn't making some of those win now decisions.

The word you are looking for would be "re-tooling"...not "rebuilding"....

Will you at least admit the serious danger, yet again, we are in if Parsons strikes out in free agency as a draw?

Will you at least admit that it's dangerous to be relying on an unproven player like Parsons to be the franchise player? Made even worse by the fact that he can leave us next year when the cap goes way up? Likely leaving us in a very difficult position if he has a good year? Which now seems very likely as he'll have the ball all game...

Do you see where I've been coming from since that Spurs series in 14?

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Yea...that Rondo trade really was indicative of a team trying to get younger quality pieces. Same thing with the Tyson trade.

Of course the Mavs wanted to try and spend money on a star player or players that could lead them, I'm not disputing that.

I'm saying Parsons wasn't the guy to do that with.

If he lands us Wes and Jordan? I'll change my tune like I have said many times.

Rondo is still a young player. The Mavs thought they would get a "steal" a la Monta though. Didn't work out but hd he worked out... Mavs had their pg for the future... at least the next 3-4 years.

It didn't. Now they are trying to move on.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

I know what their plan was/is...I'm telling you it's the wrong plan. And a team in rebuilding mode isn't making some of those win now decisions.

The word you are looking for would be "re-tooling"...not "rebuilding"....

No. Rebuilding is right. Retooling implies Dirk is still the number 1 option for the Mavs. He is not. They are rebuilding.

[DMAVS41]

Yea...that Rondo trade really was indicative of a team trying to get younger quality pieces. Same thing with the Tyson trade.

Of course the Mavs wanted to try and spend money on a star player or players that could lead them, I'm not disputing that.

I'm saying Parsons wasn't the guy to do that with.

If he lands us Wes and Jordan? I'll change my tune like I have said many times.

Rondo is still a young player. The Mavs thought they would get a "steal" a la Monta though. Didn't work out but hd he worked out... Mavs had their pg for the future... at least the next 3-4 years.

It didn't. Now they are trying to move on.

Again, you are describing "retooling" not "rebuilding"

Check my above post for my thoughts on why I'm not a fan of what you are describing...

[PejaNowitzki]

:roll:



Sign and trade can always happen.


Chandler was signed in part to appeal to Aldridge, its no surprise that they brought him into their meeting with LMA.

"Come to Phoenix and never have to play the #5 spot, you have a serious rim protector behind you. Come to Phoenix and be THE guy and not just one of the guys or someone's side-kick."



If they were able to sign Chandler and still hold on to Bledsoe, Booker, Len, Warren and the rest, that would be a pretty good roster, even in the West.


PG-Knight
SG-Bledsoe(Booker and Goodwin splitting minutes)
SF-Tucker/Warren
PF-LMA
C-Chandler w Len playing heavy minutes.

[DMAVS41]

I know what their plan was/is...I'm telling you it's the wrong plan. And a team in rebuilding mode isn't making some of those win now decisions.

The word you are looking for would be "re-tooling"...not "rebuilding"....

No. Rebuilding is right. Retooling implies Dirk is still the number 1 option for the Mavs. He is not. They are rebuilding.

I disagree.

The Spurs didn't "rebuild" when Duncan no longer was their main guy. I would never use that word to describe what the Spurs did.

Just semantics regardless.

It was a bad plan from the jump...made even worse by the fact that it's not a long term contract and puts us in potentially a terrible position.

You are trying to like bring in a backdoor excuse for none of this stuff working out. Oh yea...we missed on guys yet again (if that happens) and excuse it because we are in rebuilding mode.

When in reality it was just a team trying to make the best moves they could. Sometimes that meant trying to get a young star, sometimes it meant trading for a vet proven player, sometimes it meant trying to sign a vet star...etc.

We were trying to put a team on the court that could contend.

They built something nice in 14...ruined it in 15 with the Parsons signing...which forced the Rondo trade...and now here we are.

Like I said...I'll wait and see, but don't tell me this wouldn't be a huge disaster if we strike out. It would be and everyone knows it...

[highwhey]

It's being reported the Suns have no cap space room for Aldridge, they spent ALL on Chandler.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/616331593775493120
:roll:

Sounds like.a typical Suns FO move. If by some miracle we do get LMA, i will rescind my comment.

[wally_world]

Possible s&t destination for LMa :eek:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Sign and trade can always happen.


Chandler was signed in part to appeal to Aldridge, its no surprise that they brought him into their meeting with LMA.

"Come to Phoenix and never have to play the #5 spot, you have a serious rim protector behind you. Come to Phoenix and be THE guy and not just one of the guys or someone's side-kick."



If they were able to sign Chandler and still hold on to Bledsoe, Booker, Len, Warren and the rest, that would be a pretty good roster, even in the West.


PG-Knight
SG-Bledsoe(Booker and Goodwin splitting minutes)
SF-Tucker/Warren
PF-LMA
C-Chandler w Len playing heavy minutes.
Only way they can sign and trade for LMA is if they prolly give up Bledsoe:roll: :roll: :roll:

[StephHamann]

Lin
Felton
Parsons
Dirk
That Indian guy

All asian people will watch that team because of our 2 asian superstars.

That is a 12 win team = Top 5 Pick.

Best thing the Mavs can do now.

[PejaNowitzki]

Only way they can sign and trade for LMA is if they prolly give up Bledsoe:roll: :roll: :roll:


I doubt it. You act like Portland has all this leverage. If LMA doesn't sign with the Suns, he goes to the Spurs or the Lakers and Portland gets exactly jack and shit. If they can get Cleveland's 1st rounder next year, Reggie Bullock, maybe PJ Tucker or one of the Morris twins, they are already coming out ahead.


Portland should be hoping that Aldridge goes to Phoenix or Houston, its the only way that they get at least something back in return for a major asset.



There's also a way for the Suns to sidestep Portland completely if they can get Aldridge to agree, sign Knight last using his Bird rights and work out a S&T with Dallas for Chandler.

[PP34Deuce]

I believe Dallas is struggling to rebuild while stay competitive.

Monta and Rondo struggling to coexist really hurt the chemistry.

Parsons is not a guy you build around.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

I believe Dallas is struggling to rebuild while stay competitive.

Monta and Rondo struggling to coexist really hurt the chemistry.

Parsons is not a guy you build around.

Neither was Monta Ellis but some Mav fans are crying over letting him go.

But you are right, they are doing a poor job of staying competitive. That was because Cuban thought that capspace meant more than actual assets. 2012 and 2013 put the Mavs in this predicament.

[PP34Deuce]

I believe Dallas is struggling to rebuild while stay competitive.

Monta and Rondo struggling to coexist really hurt the chemistry.

Parsons is not a guy you build around.

Neither was Monta Ellis but some Mav fans are crying over letting him go.

But you are right, they are doing a poor job of staying competitive. That was because Cuban thought that capspace meant more than actual assets. 2012 and 2013 put the Mavs in this predicament.

Might need to eventually blow it up.

[DMAVS41]

I believe Dallas is struggling to rebuild while stay competitive.

Monta and Rondo struggling to coexist really hurt the chemistry.

Parsons is not a guy you build around.

Neither was Monta Ellis but some Mav fans are crying over letting him go.

But you are right, they are doing a poor job of staying competitive. That was because Cuban thought that capspace meant more than actual assets. 2012 and 2013 put the Mavs in this predicament.


Meh...Monta Ellis at 11 million a year for 3 years is an asset in the league over those 3 years.

Parsons on a 2 plus 1 with a player option at 16 million a year is not a great asset.

You keep confusing things like you have to "build around" a specific player. The Mavs keeping Monta under circumstances we should have had...would have just been retaining a really good player for us.

Not building around him.

We could have just built a good team.

[PejaNowitzki]

In the room with LMA, the Suns have Chandler, Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, Hornacek, GM McDonough and assistant coach Earl Watson(former teammate).

[Rab]

In the room with LMA, the Suns have Chandler, Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, Hornacek, GM McDonough and assistant coach Earl Watson(former teammate).
My understanding is that Watson and Aldridge are very good friends and may be one of the main reasons the Suns got a meeting with LA. I don't have hopes high for LA coming to PHX, but man, it would be crazy.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Meh...Monta Ellis at 11 million a year for 3 years is an asset in the league over those 3 years.

How much of an asset considering no one wanted him when he signed with the Mavs and he basically signed the exact same deal he got with the Mavs. Mavs weren't winning anything with him as the number 1 option.

It's like crying over spilled milk, that was past the expiration date. Not like you were going to drink the milk anyway.

[DMAVS41]

Meh...Monta Ellis at 11 million a year for 3 years is an asset in the league over those 3 years.

How much of an asset considering no one wanted him when he signed with the Mavs and he basically signed the exact same deal he got with the Mavs. Mavs weren't winning anything with him as the number 1 option.

It's like crying over spilled milk, that was past the expiration date. Not like you were going to drink the milk anyway.

It's an asset to us for starters.

Again, I think you really under-rate the potential of a Mavs team built well around Dirk/Ellis. I'm not sure what you were watching in 14....and that was with a flawed team that had a terrible defending pg and a horrific center. We had ways to address many issues on that team very easily and passed for Parsons...

It's far from perfect, but I'll close out Dirk's career with a solid team built around him and Ellis....over hoping Parsons turns into a franchise player.

Just me though...and I'll gladly give him credit if this team lands Wes/Jordan.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Again, I think you really under-rate the potential of a Mavs team built well around Dirk/Ellis. I'm not sure what you were watching in 14....and that was with a flawed team that had a terrible defending pg and a horrific center. We had ways to address many issues on that team very easily and passed for Parsons...

I watched the Mavs. Have for a long time. If you honestly thought a backcourt of Calderon/Ellis was going to succeed in the West... you are delusional. Add to Dirk being older and no longer being able to isolate in the post? Disaster had that team stayed together.

Mavs are in better position for the future with Parsons than retaining Ellis.

[DMAVS41]

Again, I think you really under-rate the potential of a Mavs team built well around Dirk/Ellis. I'm not sure what you were watching in 14....and that was with a flawed team that had a terrible defending pg and a horrific center. We had ways to address many issues on that team very easily and passed for Parsons...

I watched the Mavs. Have for a long time. If you honestly thought a backcourt of Calderon/Ellis was going to succeed in the West... you are delusional. Add to Dirk being older and no longer being able to isolate in the post? Disaster had that team stayed together.

Mavs are in better position for the future with Parsons than retaining Ellis.

Sigh....

I didn't want that team to stay together. I wanted them to make it better.

Like they did with the Calderon trade. Look they would have if they had spent the cap on things that made sense other than Parsons.

That team could have looked great...could have added Tyson like we did, signed IT and Ariza....packaged Crowder/Wright and a pick like we did and actually gone after something we needed.

Why is everyone acting like the Mavs weren't close to being a really good team last year? Jesus....man...you run out:

Harris/IT/Barea
Ellis/Crowder
Ariza/Aminu
Dirk/Aminu
Tyson/Wright

That is a legit team...and again...with assets to make a move at the deadline.
Could add buy out guys like we did...etc.

You are shrugging off a team capable of winning 56 plus games and playing quality offense and defense in the playoffs...with a great head coach.

All in favor of Parsons? LOL

And with the cap increases coming...keeping a good portion of those guys is fine. Ellis at 3 for 33...Tyson probably stays at 4 years 48 with us. Those are good deals given the environment of the league and where the cap is going.

This is why Dirk took the discount. He didn't sign for well less than half his value to be part of rebuilding process...nor did Cuban sell him or the fans here on that.

It's just typical Mavs front office. Make one really nice move (the Tyson/Calderon trade) and then take two steps back with the Parsons and Rondo moves.

Just typical...it's been virtually all of Cuban's time here....he's struggled in this way.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Has there ever been a report that said Ariza wanted to play with the Mavs? I know you beat that drum a lot. But there was no indication that he wanted to be with the Mavs.

Or is it because he signed with the Rockets then he must have wanted Dallas?

And that team that you listed is still a second round team. Who in a year or two will have to still replace their

starting PF
Starting C (with no backup center at all)

That team is pretty much stuck in mediocrity hell with no young talent. Parsons while you hate is more of a young asset than anything on the list you just said.

[DMAVS41]

Has there ever been a report that said Ariza wanted to play with the Mavs? I know you beat that drum a lot. But there was no indication that he wanted to be with the Mavs.

Or is it because he signed with the Rockets then he must have wanted Dallas?

And that team that you listed is still a second round team. Who in a year or two will have to still replace their

starting PF
Starting C (with no backup center at all)

That team is pretty much stuck in mediocrity hell with no young talent. Parsons while you hate is more of a young asset than anything on the list you just said.


I wrote a long response earlier, but I guess it got lost in the crash.

As for the Mavs stuff last year. It didn't have to be Ariza...it could be anyone that fits in. Avery Bradley makes a ton of sense, IT on a great deal (all he wanted was a team that wanted him), Deng makes sense...we could have brought back Carter (highly under-rated for us in 14). Ed Davis was a freaking steal last year.

Given the cap increases coming...last year was an ideal time to go after certain guys and lock them up...even if you slightly overpay short term....those deals were going to be nice assets in the future.

I think you really miss the value in that given these cap increases coming.

Bottom line is this.

I agree with everything you are saying pretty much...we just differ on Parsons. He's not the guy you rebuild around. He's not the guy you throw Tyson and Ellis to the curb for. He's not the guy Dirk takes less than half he can get for.

If it was Leonard or a legit franchise type player? Sure, but Chandler Parsons isn't that guy.

Also, Stein is now reporting that the Suns are legit contenders for LMA with the Spurs in large part because of Tyson Chandler. See...if we had a real team like we would have doing it my way....we could make a sign and trade deal with a team like the Blazers while remaining a desirable spot for a big name guy.

That is something I think is lost here by you...signing quality players on good contracts is a good thing even if it doesn't always make perfect basketball sense. They are assets....IT/Ariza/Avery Bradley...and others...there was real value there last year.

And this isn't me saying things after the fact...I've been saying this stuff since day 1.

Parsons just isn't that guy imo. Now, I could be wrong, but so could you.

And that contract Parsons has is terrible...I'd at least feel better if we locked him up, but the dude can bounce next season if he wants...and he'll get paid by somebody for sure.

So yea...what you say makes a lot of sense if Parsons wasn't on a shitty contract for us and was actually a franchise guy.

Parsons brings in Wes/Jordan? Like I said...then it makes a lot of sense, but that is a lot of risk for a team we haven't even seen play yet.