Phil's right about not needing to be a top 3-point shooting team to ring

[3ball]

The stats back him up.

The 2011 Heat had one of the best offenses in the league while only attempting 18.0 three-pointers per game.

They won the championship in 2012 with only 15.6 three-pointers per game.

By comparison, Phil's Bulls attempted 16.5 threes in 1996, and 17.1 threes per game in 1997.

In recent years, numerous teams with far inferior players had success while shooting less threes than the 2nd three-peat Bulls.. So I see no reason why Bulls wouldn't supercede any team today, by simply shooting the same # of threes they shot back then.
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[red1]

shut the **** up 3ball

[Fudge]

shut the **** up 3ball
:roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

shut the **** up 3ball
yup

[eeeeeebro]

they need to be 6'6 and have fade away jumpers... im realy amazed that basketball players dont mimic jordan like that. im a fragment of what the nba player is and i have a fade jumper in my resume...

[3ball]

shut the **** up 3ball



The Grizzlies won 55 games this year by attempting only 15.2 threes per game.

That's less than the number of three-point attempts per game of the 2nd three-peat Bulls.

So why not use the Grizzlies' 55 wins as a floor, and assume the vast superiority of MJ and Scottie would win 75?

[3ball]

Thread Cliffs:

In recent years, numerous teams had success while shooting less threes than the 2nd three-peat Bulls - and these teams had far inferior players than the Bulls.

So there is no reason why the Bulls wouldn't be the best team today by simply shooting the same # of threes they shot back then.

[Sharmer]

Phil is going to be in danger of being stuck in the past, like a relic or dinosaur, the game has changed now. If he builds a team around this premise that you don't need a big men who can shoot and spread the floor. The Nicks will pay the price of early exits.

[3ball]

Phil is going to be in danger of being stuck in the past, like a relic or dinosaur, the game has changed now. If he builds a team around this premise that you don't need a big men who can shoot and spread the floor. The Nicks will pay the price of early exits.


He just drafted Porzingus, so apparently he doesn't undervalue big man floor-spacers.

However, he HAS said he doesn't think you need to be one of the best 3-point shooting teams itl to win a championship.. Which is true.

In recent years, numerous teams had success while shooting less threes than the 2nd three-peat Bulls (about 17 threes per game) - and these teams had far inferior players than the Bulls.

So there is no reason why the Bulls wouldn't be the best team today by simply shooting the same # of threes they shot back then (again, about 17 per game, slightly more than the Heat in 2011 and 2012, and more than this year's Grizzlies).
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[Legends66NBA7]

You don't have to be a great 3 point shooting team, but you need rebounding and defense first and foremost. If you don't already have top tier talent, you need to fall back on rebounding and defense.

3 point shooting is a bonus, but it will soon be the norm in this league if it isn't already.

[Sharmer]

He just drafted Porzingus, so apparently he doesn't think undervalue big man floor-spacers.

However, he HAS said he doesn't think you need to be a one of the best 3-point shooting teams itl to win a championship.. Which is true.

In recent years, numerous teams had success while shooting less threes than the 2nd three-peat Bulls (about 17 threes per game) - and these teams had far inferior players than the Bulls.

So there is no reason why the Bulls wouldn't be the best team today by simply shooting the same # of threes they shot back then (again, about 17 per game, slightly more than the Heat in 2011 and 2012, and more than this year's Grizzlies).
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Sounds like he has been misrepresented in the media, which is not surprising.

[sdot_thadon]

My question is WHAT team won with only 3 point shooting anyway? Every team has a combo of things that allow it to win........what's the point. Oh Mj :oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

The Grizzlies won 55 games this year by attempting only 15.2 threes per game.

That's less than the number of three-point attempts per game of the 2nd three-peat Bulls.

So why not use the Grizzlies' 55 wins as a floor, and assume the vast superiority of MJ and Scottie would win 75?
:facepalm

[Spurs5Rings2014]

im a fragment of what the nba player is and i have a fade jumper in my resume...

:cheers:

[Springsteen]

hows it goink?

[Dro]

You don't have to be a great 3 point shooting team, but you need rebounding and defense first and foremost. If you don't already have top tier talent, you need to fall back on rebounding and defense.

3 point shooting is a bonus, but it will soon be the norm in this league if it isn't already.

I hope not, the NBA is already cringe worthy to watch as it is.

[kshutts1]

The stats back him up.

The 2011 Heat had one of the best offenses in the league while only attempting 18.0 three-pointers per game.

They won the championship in 2012 with only 15.6 three-pointers per game.

By comparison, Phil's Bulls attempted 16.5 threes in 1996, and 17.1 threes per game in 1997.

In recent years, numerous teams with far inferior players had success while shooting less threes than the 2nd three-peat Bulls.. So I see no reason why Bulls wouldn't supercede any team today, by simply shooting the same # of threes they shot back then.
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...Not one player on the Knicks roster rivals Pippen, much less Jordan.

Great players will be great players. A team with great players will, almost always, be great... if given enough time to work out the kinks.

Threes, though, are a great equalizer. A lesser team can overcome a more talented team with the 3p shot, or a less talented roster can effectively utilize the 3p shot to become a dangerous/good team.

Pretty bad comparisons, IMO, though the premise of a 3-focused team not being necessary is factually correct. Just need the pieces.

[Yoda]

The stats back him up.

The 2011 Heat had one of the best offenses in the league while only attempting 18.0 three-pointers per game.

They won the championship in 2012 with only 15.6 three-pointers per game.

By comparison, Phil's Bulls attempted 16.5 threes in 1996, and 17.1 threes per game in 1997.

In recent years, numerous teams with far inferior players had success while shooting less threes than the 2nd three-peat Bulls.. So I see no reason why Bulls wouldn't supercede any team today, by simply shooting the same # of threes they shot back then.
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Dead horse you beat.

[Ncrazyballa]

if you dont need 3 point shooters, thats because your dominating the post.

[Bankaii]

2012 Heat is a stupid example. The offense was centered around Lebron beating but spot off shooters like Mike Miller went off and helped them win.
Besides, 3 point shooting is needed today because the lane is clogged with defenders. Jordan's weak ass era was a cake walk to the rim.
Inb4 you generalize an entire era using 3 gifs.

[Bless Mathews]

shut the **** up 3ball


We are typing doe.

[Dro]

2012 Heat is a stupid example. The offense was centered around Lebron beating but spot off shooters like Mike Miller went off and helped them win.
Besides, 3 point shooting is needed today because the lane is clogged with defenders. Jordan's weak ass era was a cake walk to the rim.
Inb4 you generalize an entire era using 3 gifs.
No clue what you're talking about, none at all..But yes, Ill let 3ball handle it...Thats what he's best at......

You must have not watch the Finals where Lebron was being played 1 vs. 1 basically the entire time with the entire side cleared out for him because nobody is allowed to camp in the paint. You did watch the Finals correct?

[GimmeThat]

The offense and personnel he had implemented has been about players observing others gut instincts. Which had a natural process of raising players fg% and keeping them there as long as you don't fallout with the group.

I doubt that if you ask him he would say that Steve kerr was a shooter that was brought on, then he was a guard who found his spot and his teammates relied him to shoot threes.

[3ball]

Jordan's weak ass era was a cake walk to the rim.




No clue what you're talking about, none at all..But yes, Ill let 3ball handle it...Thats what he's best at..



No problem - we'll start with a 101 on defensive 3 seconds:


http://i.imgur.com/2PoulES.gif


Notice Speights on baseline, left of the rim - ideally, he'd be waiting under the rim the whole time to contest Lebron.. But today's defensive 3 seconds rule doesn't allow defenders to wait in the 16 x 19 foot painted area if no one is within armslength (http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html) (about 3 feet).. So Speights has walk to AWAY from the rim to remain within armslength of his man, which prevents him from contesting Lebron.

Otoh, in previous eras, Rule 2b (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) of the Illegal Defense Guidelines allowed defenders to remain in the paint "with no time restriction" if their man was anywhere inside the paint, or within 3 feet or either side.. So in the clip above, Speights would've been waiting under the rim to contest Lebron and force him into a tougher shot.

And now, a 101 on spacing:
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[3ball]

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.................................................. ..SPACING


There was no weakside spacing in previous eras, so all 5 defenders remained on the strongside, and therefore closest to help on strongside action:


http://i.imgur.com/veH5ejs.gif



Otoh, today's game uses weakside spacing to reduce the number of strongside defenders.. Help defenders are now on the weakside and furthest from helping on strongside action:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-22-2015/WAhpK1.gif


Weakside spacing leaves the strongside with fewer defenders, which necessitates the flooding of defenders BACK TO the strongside - this is how strongside floods originated.

Otoh, as the first GIF showed, weakside spacing didn't exist in previous eras, so defenders weren't lured away from strongside - defenders just remained on the strongside, which meant players faced strongsides that were already flooded with all 5 defenders (5-defender strongsides) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21)..

These fully-flooded strongsides were a product of no-spacing and represented the "advanced" version of the game that included hand-checking, higher physicality, and legal paint-camping, and therefore requiring more sophisticated 2-point shooting ability.

This is a stark contrast to today's weakside spacing and resulting 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570), which is basically the "beginner" version of the game that includes less strongside defenders, no hand-checking, no paint-camping, no physicality.. The highest levels of offensive sophistication (http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/9VPzJD.gif) simply aren't needed for the beginner version of the game.

[Bankaii]

No clue what you're talking about, none at all..But yes, Ill let 3ball handle it...Thats what he's best at......

You must have not watch the Finals where Lebron was being played 1 vs. 1 basically the entire time with the entire side cleared out for him because nobody is allowed to camp in the paint. You did watch the Finals correct?
My god it was a joke response to joke thread quit getting so butthurt.
And your comment and Lebron in the Finals is horribly wrong.
Thanks for the 3 gifs as expected 3ball, that explained everything.:roll:

[3ball]

My god it was a joke response to joke thread quit getting so butthurt.
And your comment and Lebron in the Finals is horribly wrong.
Thanks for the gifs as expected 3ball, that explained everything.:roll:


:roll:

you can't ONLY look at the GIFs

it's not a picture book like at your school... :yaohappy:

[Dro]

My god it was a joke response to joke thread quit getting so butthurt.
And your comment and Lebron in the Finals is horribly wrong.
Thanks for the 3 gifs as expected 3ball, that explained everything.:roll:
Dude get the f*ck out of here. You made a post that didn't come off as a joke WHATSOEVER......I guaran damn tee you nobody could tell you're joking......So don't come in here trying to call me butthurt or any of that ish, "I have no comeback bs", like I'm some stan or something.....I saw a post that appeared to be serious that was dead wrong and I said something about it....Sounds like you're the one who's butthurt but whatever...No time for you ish children today..........