Woj: Kings sending Stauskas, Jason Thompson, Landry to Sixers

[D-Rose]

:lol

precursor for deron?

@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
The Kings are sending Nik Stauskus to the 76ers as part of the deal too, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m4 minutes ago
Sacramento is trading Jason Thompson and Carl Landry as part of a salary dump to the Philadelphia 76ers, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[PJR]

Rondo.

[longtime lurker]

Lmao Philadelphia. Everyone's favorite NBA *** dumpster :oldlol:

[bluechox2]

Rondo.
give him a max

[PejaNowitzki]

Rondo.
They would be insanely stupid to sign Rondo. Is there not enough drama for them as it is? Would tell me that they absolutely don't get and won't ever get it under current leadership and ownership.

[PejaNowitzki]

Lmao Philadelphia. Everyone's favorite NBA *** dumpster :oldlol:

Jason Thompson is actually serviceable as a backup and Stauskas was a lottery pick last year, too soon to give up on him IMO.

[bluechox2]

i thought they would have swung a deal for lawson by now

[Fudge]

Kings giving up on Stauskas already?

What a ****ing shit franchise.

[ProfessorMurder]

Stauskas?

STAUSKAS?!

[JtotheIzzo]

I know I am a massive Basketball Canada homer, but can't Stauskas be at least a servicable reserve, at worst a 3pt specialist?

Do the Kings have a plan?

[D-Rose]

1...2...3...nik Rocks!

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Could be Ellis, Rondo or Matthews or Lawson.....

[NugzFan]

i thought they would have swung a deal for lawson by now


Should have been easy to do but their coach/front office/owner are too busy fighting each other, making up lies and trying to prove each other wrong to focus on making a smart deal. Instead they will give rondo way too much to be a horrible fit.

The Kings make as many random moves as they can and hope it works out :oldlol:

[NugzFan]

1...2...3...nik Rocks!

:roll: vivek is a moron.

[JohnMax]

Stauskas is lucky he got out before he becomes the next Jimmer Fredette

[JimmyMcAdocious]

What's with Sac constantly drafting lotto picks and then trading them after year 1 or 2?

[Jailblazers7]

Stauskus is kinda perfect for Philly since none of our guards can shoot and we will get play time. I'm actually kind of excited because the Sixes will have some real players now.

Not surprised to see Hinkif pull a trade with the Kings tho since they are the easier opportunity to fleece someone.

[Phantom84]

Stauskus is kinda perfect for Philly since none of our guards can shoot and we will get play time. I'm actually kind of excited because the Sixes will have some real players now.

Not surprised to see Hinkif pull a trade with the Kings tho since they are the easier opportunity to fleece someone.

Exactly, Stauskas is there to help space the floor for Okafor and Embiid. Also, as long as Saric is not in the trade deal, Sac got fleeced lol.

[chocolatethunder]

Stauskus is kinda perfect for Philly since none of our guards can shoot and we will get play time. I'm actually kind of excited because the Sixes will have some real players now.

Not surprised to see Hinkif pull a trade with the Kings tho since they are the easier opportunity to fleece someone.

Ok I'm happy with this. I don't think that Stauskas is some all star in waiting but he shot well in college and he's athletic enough. I actually wanted him with their second pick last year (but he was already gone. Eight was too high for him).

[PejaNowitzki]

So in addition the Kings are giving a future 1st rounder and the option to swap 1st round picks in multiple drafts.


:facepalm :facepalm

[SwishSquared]

I knew Philly would end up doing some type of trade to take on Landry/Thompson at some point. Just seemed like it would happen lol. Can't believe they got Stauskas, future 1st, and two pick swaps rofl. I think Thompson can be moved to another team. Maybe Minnesota (Bennet + Buddinger who both can expire next year) or straight flip to a team that needs an NBA-caliber big like the Knicks. Landry will probably fill role the role that J-Rich did unless they find a taker for him, too.

Ok I'm happy with this. I don't think that Stauskas is some all star in waiting but he shot well in college and he's athletic enough. I actually wanted him with their second pick last year (but he was already gone. Eight was too high for him).I thought you guys would have taken him @ 10, too. I don't know which prospects you guys gave up that are stashed abroad, but this is quite a haul.

Hinkie gonna Hinkie.

Btw, wouldn't SAC be much better off trying to get CoJo & Ellis than going for Rondo? I understand wanting Wes Matthews, even coming off such a bad injury, but not Rondo.

[Jailblazers7]

Ok I'm happy with this. I don't think that Stauskas is some all star in waiting but he shot well in college and he's athletic enough. I actually wanted him with their second pick last year (but he was already gone. Eight was too high for him).

Yeah, I think it's a good deal. Honestly, if Hinkle is trading with them it's probably going to be good.

[PejaNowitzki]

And the funny thing is, you're talking about around $20 mil in total salary over the course of 2 seasons to give up all of that in exchange, in today's money that isn't shit, holy crap the Kings are a terribly run team.

[Jailblazers7]

So how long until the Kings get sold? This dude is clearly over his head and he will realize it eventually.

[Le Shaqtus]

Sixers and Kings are just putrid right now

[chocolatethunder]

I knew Philly would end up doing some type of trade to take on Landry/Thompson at some point. Just seemed like it would happen lol. Can't believe they got Stauskas, future 1st, and two pick swaps rofl. I think Thompson can be moved to another team. Maybe Minnesota (Bennet + Buddinger who both can expire next year) or straight flip to a team that needs an NBA-caliber big like the Knicks. Landry will probably fill role the role that J-Rich did unless they find a taker for him, too.
I thought you guys would have taken him @ 10, too. I don't know which prospects you guys gave up that are stashed abroad, but this is quite a haul.

Hinkie gonna Hinkie.

Btw, wouldn't SAC be much better off trying to get CoJo & Ellis than going for Rondo? I understand wanting Wes Matthews, even coming off such a bad injury, but not Rondo.

I'm sure I will be made fun of for this, but I actually want Bennett. I don't think that Thompson or Landry will get you that. I would gladly give up some shitty future first for him or take back a bad contract. There's something that intrigues me about him. Anyway, I doubt they'll get him too but I'd be happy if they did.

[Jailblazers7]

I used to like Bennett but I think I've given up. He hasn't shown the work ethic or natural confidence I expected. I see a bigger/worse version of Tim Thomas in him.

[SwishSquared]

I'm sure I will be made fun of for this, but I actually want Bennett. I don't think that Thompson or Landry will get you that. I would gladly give up some shitty future first for him or take back a bad contract. There's something that intrigues me about him. Anyway, I doubt they'll get him too but I'd be happy if they did.Bennett's destiny was to be on the same team as Embiid, so I think it works out haha.

They could make it a multi-team deal where send out Thompson and take on Bennett. Or just absorb him lol with all that cap space you still have. I think Minny was trying to package AB/31/36 in the draft for a pick in the 20s. He's still gettable, even for a second rounder.

Thompson still has some value, so I wouldn't be shocked to see him gone soon. Seth Partnow, I think that's his name, tweeted that Doc should look into acquiring him. Maybe Crawford for JT, but no clue if Clips can fit that into their cap sheet.

[wally_world]

1...2...3...nik Rocks!

I love this :oldlol:

STAUSKAS?!

[no pun intended]

1...2...3...nik Rocks!
:roll: vivek is a moron.
I can't

[Prime_Shaq]

Lmao kings

[salwan]

Stauskas?

STAUSKAS?!

stauskas??!

stauskas????

[Sharmer]

Get ready for the head case era in Sacramento. Rondo, Monta Ellis, Cousins & that front office. This is too much.

:lol

[KelticForce1349]

Stauskas is lucky he got out before he becomes the next Jimmer Fredette


I know it is sooooooo cliche to think this way but, doesn't it just seem like Jimmer could have been....something....if only he had been drafted by Utah? I thought the Kings were horrible for him from day one. Is there any team that could develop him into serviceable bench player?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

If Kings land Wes and Lawson, it'd be sick. :rockon:

If Kings land Monta and Rondo, I'll be sick. :hammerhead:

[senelcoolidge]

Kings giving up on Stauskas already?

What a ****ing shit franchise.

The Kings have taken the title as the most idiotic/dysfunctional franchise. What a joke they are..before they were just bad, now they are bad and don't know what the fu%k they are doing. 76er's are right there too.

[QuebecBaller]

Noel, Embiid, Okafor, Thompson, Landry...

Big Frontline right there

[StephHamann]

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/616449849592975360

:roll:

[Smook A.]

Already giving up on Stauskas? Typical Kings. The front office stays retarded!

[kshutts1]

Can someone clue me in on the 1..2...3... thing? And the Stauskas?! thing?

[GIF REACTION]

****ing hell,

We pushed the Sauce gimmick so ****ing hard and then we trade him for literally a couple bottles of BBQ sauce and napkins...

[GIF REACTION]

If Kings land Wes and Lawson, it'd be sick. :rockon:

If Kings land Monta and Rondo, I'll be sick. :hammerhead:
Lawson/ Collison
Matthews/ McLemore
Gay/ Williams
WCS/ Evans
DMC/ Moreland

That's a sick lineup... and a decent bench

[FireDavidKahn]

Kings.:oldlol:

They also added a protected first to this deal.

[Derka]

Dudes feigning interest so they can get a piece of the owner's daughter and then GTFO out of town.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Can someone clue me in on the 1..2...3... thing? And the Stauskas?! thing?

It's from a Grantland video last year about the Kings' draft process. Honestly the most awkward and embarrassing thing I've ever seen from an NBA team.

Their GM is (was?) a pathetic beta yes man, and Vivec is an absolute lunatic.

It's at minute 7 or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEN6ad_Aw-M

[DMAVS41]

So this is really just one of the dumbest trades in NBA history unless I'm missing something....given what this cap space is likely to lead to....which is overpaying players that don't make sense on this team at all.

Why wouldn't the Kings just do a move like this and trade for Lawson? That makes a lot of sense and he's definitely a better fit than Rondo/Ellis on this team.

It's amazing that a NBA team could be this inept. Just disgusting.

And damn...the Sixers just continue to be the smartest guys in the room. That isn't a guarantee the Sixers plan works on the court, but they are putting themselves in the best situations consistently because of their vision.

The Kings? ROFL....

[kshutts1]

Thanks. That was a pretty awkward showing.

As for the deal, I'll wait until all the details surface. As of now, the only thing we KNOW is the three players the Kings are sending over.
http://www.nba.com/2015/news/07/02/kings-76ers-trade.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

Realism seems to be out the window this offseason (different rant for a different thread), but I'll try my hand at it anyway, and let's remember how badly rumors can be misunderstood at times...

If the Kings did NOT send picks, then I can see the rumor being misguided, and having the Kings receiving a protected first and/or rights-to-swap. That wouldn't be unreasonable, depending on protections and how the Sixers feel about Stauskas.

If the Kings DID send a first and a right-to-swap, then it's only logical to assume that the Kings also received back something of value. As for what the Sixers possess that is valuable and they are willing to move, I'm not sure.
But what about...
Saric? IF the Sixers are scared he won't come over?
Embiid? Injury concerns and Okafor falling in to their laps makes him "expendable for the right price" and I daresay that essentially 3 first round picks is a haul for an injured player that has never played an NBA game.

I'd just caution everyone to keep that open mind. I distinctly remember a time (just can't remember the actual trade) when everyone on ISH was reporting players and picks going to a team, with nothing known of what was going back... when the trade became official, we had all the pieces correct -- same players, same picks -- just players went to one team in return for said picks. So that's a recent example of us getting rumors/reports wrong before the trade is official.

[DMAVS41]

Thanks. That was a pretty awkward showing.

As for the deal, I'll wait until all the details surface. As of now, the only thing we KNOW is the three players the Kings are sending over.
http://www.nba.com/2015/news/07/02/kings-76ers-trade.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

Realism seems to be out the window this offseason (different rant for a different thread), but I'll try my hand at it anyway, and let's remember how badly rumors can be misunderstood at times...

If the Kings did NOT send picks, then I can see the rumor being misguided, and having the Kings receiving a protected first and/or rights-to-swap. That wouldn't be unreasonable, depending on protections and how the Sixers feel about Stauskas.

If the Kings DID send a first and a right-to-swap, then it's only logical to assume that the Kings also received back something of value. As for what the Sixers possess that is valuable and they are willing to move, I'm not sure.
But what about...
Saric? IF the Sixers are scared he won't come over?
Embiid? Injury concerns and Okafor falling in to their laps makes him "expendable for the right price" and I daresay that essentially 3 first round picks is a haul for an injured player that has never played an NBA game.

I'd just caution everyone to keep that open mind. I distinctly remember a time (just can't remember the actual trade) when everyone on ISH was reporting players and picks going to a team, with nothing known of what was going back... when the trade became official, we had all the pieces correct -- same players, same picks -- just players went to one team in return for said picks. So that's a recent example of us getting rumors/reports wrong before the trade is official.

All reports say Saric is not part of the deal.

Of course if the details change...our take on the trade will change. Evidence is going to drive logical conclusions and takes.

But, as of now, based on the evidence we have....this seems like one of the dumbest moves I can remember.

It makes no sense on any level.

[Jailblazers7]

Honestly, all you need to see is that "Kings make a deal with the Sixers" to know that Hinkie probably robbed those dumbasses.

[Charlie Sheen]

It says something about Vlade that he wouldn't just up and quit after everything that's gone wrong this last month. What that something is, I'm not sure. He can't see the walls crumbling down around him? He's got a real passion and heart for the city and its fans to put up with this shit? He's part of the problem and in over his head?

[Dr.J4ever]

This is the breakdown from ESPN draft grades by Kevin Pelton:

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Staff Writer

The Deal

Kings get: Rights to Arturas Gudaitis and Luka Mitrovic

76ers get: Guard Nik Stauskas, forwards Carl Landry and Jason Thompson, a top-10 protected pick beginning two years after the conclusion of the Kings' obligation to the Chicago Bulls, two future pick swaps in 2016 and 2017

Sacramento Kings: F

LOL

[kshutts1]

This is the breakdown from ESPN draft grades by Kevin Pelton:

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Staff Writer

The Deal

Kings get: Rights to Arturas Gudaitis and Luka Mitrovic

76ers get: Guard Nik Stauskas, forwards Carl Landry and Jason Thompson, a top-10 protected pick beginning two years after the conclusion of the Kings' obligation to the Chicago Bulls, two future pick swaps in 2016 and 2017

Sacramento Kings: F
If those are the actual facts, then my post could not have been more wrong... well, other than the "wait and see". Now that I've seen? Dear jesus that's horrible.

[Dr.J4ever]

If those are the actual facts, then my post could not have been more wrong... well, other than the "wait and see". Now that I've seen? Dear jesus that's horrible.

I copy pasted it from ESPN.

Everyone in Philly is laughing with this robbery , er, trade, sorry.:lol

[kshutts1]

I copy pasted it from ESPN.

Everyone in Philly is laughing with this robbery , er, trade, sorry.:lol
The Serbian connection, that you mentioned in the other thread about this trade, with Vlade and Civic, or whatever that PGs name is, is likely a big piece of this robbery. Both players acquired by Kings seemed to have Serbian roots or something.. I googled them quickly, and think I remember seeing Serbia mentioned.

[DirkNowitzki41]

I hope Monta doesnt go to the Kings.. what a terrible situation. He's gotta head to Indy

[Dr.J4ever]

The Serbian connection, that you mentioned in the other thread about this trade, with Vlade and Civic, or whatever that PGs name is, is likely a big piece of this robbery. Both players acquired by Kings seemed to have Serbian roots or something.. I googled them quickly, and think I remember seeing Serbia mentioned.

I was worried that Vacilije Micic, a Serbian 6'5 PG, playing in the Euroleague was included in the deal, but unfortunately for Sactown, not even.

We feel really sorry for what Hinkie did to them. Let's observe a moment of silence.

[FireDavidKahn]

The legendary ingame flopper is starting his flopping as a gm:bowdown:

Seriously, this is probably worse than Kahn's Darko deal.:oldlol:

[SwishSquared]

So this is really just one of the dumbest trades in NBA history unless I'm missing something....given what this cap space is likely to lead to....which is overpaying players that don't make sense on this team at all.

Why wouldn't the Kings just do a move like this and trade for Lawson? That makes a lot of sense and he's definitely a better fit than Rondo/Ellis on this team.

It's amazing that a NBA team could be this inept. Just disgusting.

And damn...the Sixers just continue to be the smartest guys in the room. That isn't a guarantee the Sixers plan works on the court, but they are putting themselves in the best situations consistently because of their vision.

The Kings? ROFL....What's hilarious is that if DMC demands out of town, 76ers are probably the first team Vlade calls hoping to land some of their young guys + picks :oldlol:

I was a little dismayed by Hinkie's relatively quiet draft, given he's made draft day trades the previous 2 years, but this is probably the biggest haul he's made. Stauskas may end up a poor man's JJ Reddick (or he could be amazing), but these pick swaps basically give him extra lotto combinations the next 2 years. Also hilarious that these pick swaps actually protect 76ers in case lotto reform comes about.

It's hard for people to be patient, but Hinkie is legit running his team like a PE firm and given all the chances he's giving himself, he should hit on a couple players at some point. I just laugh at how good this guy is at stocking the cupboard with picks & young guys.

[SwishSquared]

If Kings land Wes and Lawson, it'd be sick. :rockon:

If Kings land Monta and Rondo, I'll be sick. :hammerhead:What do you have left to trade to get Lawson? More pick swaps and Ben McLemore? If anything, you guys should have put together a package to land Lawson or some other perimeter players. Now you're banking on 2/3 of Rondo/Wes/Ellis and reports say you would be fine with Rondo + Ellis. That's terrible team construction imo.

[Springsteen]

Sam Stinky strikes again.

[DMAVS41]

What's hilarious is that if DMC demands out of town, 76ers are probably the first team Vlade calls hoping to land some of their young guys + picks :oldlol:

I was a little dismayed by Hinkie's relatively quiet draft, given he's made draft day trades the previous 2 years, but this is probably the biggest haul he's made. Stauskas may end up a poor man's JJ Reddick (or he could be amazing), but these pick swaps basically give him extra lotto combinations the next 2 years. Also hilarious that these pick swaps actually protect 76ers in case lotto reform comes about.

It's hard for people to be patient, but Hinkie is legit running his team like a PE firm and given all the chances he's giving himself, he should hit on a couple players at some point. I just laugh at how good this guy is at stocking the cupboard with picks & young guys.

Yep.

People act like Hinkie has been doing this for 10 years or something. He's been at this a couple of years now only. That's it.

And in that time he's done amazing stuff imo. His first move was brilliant. Turning Holiday into Noel and a lottery pick...that shit seems made up.

[Dr.J4ever]

What's hilarious is that if DMC demands out of town, 76ers are probably the first team Vlade calls hoping to land some of their young guys + picks :oldlol:

I was a little dismayed by Hinkie's relatively quiet draft, given he's made draft day trades the previous 2 years, but this is probably the biggest haul he's made. Stauskas may end up a poor man's JJ Reddick (or he could be amazing), but these pick swaps basically give him extra lotto combinations the next 2 years. Also hilarious that these pick swaps actually protect 76ers in case lotto reform comes about.

It's hard for people to be patient, but Hinkie is legit running his team like a PE firm and given all the chances he's giving himself, he should hit on a couple players at some point. I just laugh at how good this guy is at stocking the cupboard with picks & young guys.

Not only that, but the way I understand these 2 pick swaps is if the 76ers hypothetically go 82-0 and win the title in 2016, and if Sac wins the lotto at #1, we can swap that and it's ours.

In 2017, if the 76ers repeat and win the title again, and Sac, let's say gets the 5th pick in the lottery, we can swap it again.

In 2018, if the 76ers become a dynasty by winning 3 in a row, and Sac gets a lotto pick in the top 10, that's ours too.

Hypothetically extreme, but if my narrative is correct, this is outrageously good for Philly, and a total rape of the Kings' franchise.

[SwishSquared]

Yep.

People act like Hinkie has been doing this for 10 years or something. He's been at this a couple of years now only. That's it.

And in that time he's done amazing stuff imo. His first move was brilliant. Turning Holiday into Noel and a lottery pick...that shit seems made up.I loved, loved that Jrue trade for Philly. I mean, he's a nice player who had inflated stats on a kinda mediocre playoff team. He turned that second lotto pick into a future first, second rounder, and a guy who could be 2013-2014 Boris Diaw at his ceiling/prime.

And to think how far in the hole they were in terms of young guys & picks when Hinkie first took over right after the Bynum debacle... He's been on the job for just over 2 years and has the best war chest in the entire NBA. Boston has more future firsts but people are realizing some of their picks can be middling given the way Brooklyn projects going forward.

[DMAVS41]

I loved, loved that Jrue trade for Philly. I mean, he's a nice player who had inflated stats on a kinda mediocre playoff team. He turned that second lotto pick into a future first, second rounder, and a guy who could be 2013-2014 Boris Diaw at his ceiling/prime.

And to think how far in the hole they were in terms of young guys & picks when Hinkie first took over right after the Bynum debacle... He's been on the job for just over 2 years and has the best war chest in the entire NBA. Boston has more future firsts but people are realizing some of their picks can be middling given the way Brooklyn projects going forward.

Of course you loved that trade. It's like 3 times more than what you'd expect to get for an overpaid Jrue Holiday on a long term contract. LOL

Yea, he's been at this for like 26 months now or something and he's got "assets" coming out of his you know what.

It's often impossible to predict what will happen on the court with young players, but you can control making smart moves. He's only made smart moves, and difficult moves (like trading the rookie of the year...etc.), since he's been there.

If the Sixers get EV from half of their draft picks....they will be a contender for a decade or more starting in 3 or 4 years.

[StateProperty]

You could take all the players out of the deal and it's still a top 10 protected 1st for the 47th and 60th picks. Plus the ability to swap 1sts. Wow.

Stauskas pre-all star break - 33%, 26% from three
Stauskas post all star break - 42%, 42% from three

Sixers tried to trade up to 8 last year for him, what are the Kings doing?

[chocolatethunder]

I was sitting around last night checking all the breaking news in free agency and I couldn't believe this when I saw it. I thought that the reports were wrong. When it was first breaking I thought that the Sixers gave the Kings the right to swap in two drafts and gave up a future pick. When I found out it was the other way around I just couldn't believe it. All of the extra stuff seemed unnecessary. If I were Hinkie I would have gladly given up those crappy picks just to take back salary and add Stauskas. It seemed like Hinkie just phoned Vlade and said "hey I'll give you this and take that from you." And that Divac agreed to the first totally outrageous offer that Hinkie made to Sacramento.

[El Kabong]

That's gross. That's 2 lottery picks in the last 3 years traded out for peanuts by the Kings. If they didn't have DMC fall into their laps they'd be absolutely garbage and even more of a joke than they are.

[SwishSquared]

Of course you loved that trade. It's like 3 times more than what you'd expect to get for an overpaid Jrue Holiday on a long term contract. LOL

Yea, he's been at this for like 26 months now or something and he's got "assets" coming out of his you know what.

It's often impossible to predict what will happen on the court with young players, but you can control making smart moves. He's only made smart moves, and difficult moves (like trading the rookie of the year...etc.), since he's been there.

If the Sixers get EV from half of their draft picks....they will be a contender for a decade or more starting in 3 or 4 years.Haha well it was a major heist. The minute it was announced, I hated it for New Orleans. I've said it so many times, but NOP rushed the process that summer.

Agreed on the 76ers front- Hinkie has done the right thing in just about every signing/pick/trade. There's very little for which to criticize him.

The parts don't fit particularly right now for the 76ers in some way, but that's secondary. They should challenge T-Wolves and Bucks in the next decade, especially once LBJ declines more & if New Orleans can't capitalize on AD.

[DMAVS41]

Haha well it was a major heist. The minute it was announced, I hated it for New Orleans. I've said it so many times, but NOP rushed the process that summer.

Agreed on the 76ers front- Hinkie has done the right thing in just about every signing/pick/trade. There's very little for which to criticize him.

The parts don't fit particularly right now for the 76ers in some way, but that's secondary. They should challenge T-Wolves and Bucks in the next decade, especially once LBJ declines more & if New Orleans can't capitalize on AD.

Yep.

I've been writing about how stupid the Pelicans have been for a long time...dating back to the CP3 trade.

The good news for them is that all their mistakes won't carry over and hurt them once this cap goes up.

However, they just signed Asik to a borderline bad deal...not just on money even though that part isn't great. It's the fit.

Guys like Asik seem like they are going to have less and less value in the long run.

Sure, he'll be a nice security blanket to have, but teams will just abuse him with pick and rolls when they go small...it'll take him off the court way too often imo for the Pels to spend that much on him.

Also, I think the Pels will clearly be at their best going small with AD at center.

We'll see though...when you have a transcendent player like AD it covers up a lot of front office mistakes. Right now the Pels remind me of the Mavs...building poorly around a top 20 GOAT type talent or better. Hopefully they figure out a way to actually make quality moves once they shed Gordon finally.

[Duderonomy]

The Sixers should aleast be respectable next season. They don't to unreasonably tank another season. An 25-30 win team instead of a 15-20 win joke of a roster they have been putting out on the court.

[SwishSquared]

Yep.

I've been writing about how stupid the Pelicans have been for a long time...dating back to the CP3 trade.

The good news for them is that all their mistakes won't carry over and hurt them once this cap goes up.

However, they just signed Asik to a borderline bad deal...not just on money even though that part isn't great. It's the fit.

Guys like Asik seem like they are going to have less and less value in the long run.

Sure, he'll be a nice security blanket to have, but teams will just abuse him with pick and rolls when they go small...it'll take him off the court way too often imo for the Pels to spend that much on him.

Also, I think the Pels will clearly be at their best going small with AD at center.

We'll see though...when you have a transcendent player like AD it covers up a lot of front office mistakes. Right now the Pels remind me of the Mavs...building poorly around a top 20 GOAT type talent or better. Hopefully they figure out a way to actually make quality moves once they shed Gordon finally.I agree why the fit issue is a problem with the way the league is trending. I do think he's movable, especially next summer, if teams miss out on guys (I imagine Knicks, Lakers, etc. willing to grab any talented C if they strike out again). Contract is only guaranteed for $44Mish so that could entice some team in the future.

They are lucky to have AD slide to the 5 whenever they need it though. I'd much rather have Noel on his rookie deal but whatever haha. Also stupid that they didn't even tender Aminu a QO last summer. A big rotation of AD/Noel/Aminu/Anderson would have been very, very versatile.

I think we've been in full agreement on the way NOP built the squad. Makes you kinda wish Hinkie ran them b/c AD would have lots of young talent around him right now, rather than good, but not great, vets on long-term deals.

I am curious what the 76ers will do, if anything, to upgrade @ PG this offseason. They could bring back Ish Smith and/or roll with Canaan/Wroten/Sampson (lolz)/Pierre Jackson. Of those 4 young guys, I can only see Sampson & Jackson on this team beyond next season, assuming Pappy Jack makes the 15 man roster.

[GOBB]

This is the breakdown from ESPN draft grades by Kevin Pelton:

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Staff Writer

The Deal

Kings get: Rights to Arturas Gudaitis and Luka Mitrovic

76ers get: Guard Nik Stauskas, forwards Carl Landry and Jason Thompson, a top-10 protected pick beginning two years after the conclusion of the Kings' obligation to the Chicago Bulls, two future pick swaps in 2016 and 2017

Sacramento Kings: F

LOL

What year does this start?

[GOBB]

I'm sure I will be made fun of for this, but I actually want Bennett.

When I stop laughing my ass off uncontrollably I'll make fun of you. Bennett? :oldlol:

[Droid101]

What year does this start?
Here you go champ:

2016 first round draft pick to Chicago
Sacramento's 1st round pick to Chicago (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2016 and 1-10 in 2017; if Sacramento has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2017, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Chicago protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011; Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]

So, the ****ing Sixers get the King's top ten protected in ****ing 2019.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE KINGS???

[SwishSquared]

What year does this start?2 years after the future first obligation to Bulls expires. At earliest, 2018, but most likely 2019.

[Droid101]

2 years after the future first obligation to Bulls expires. At earliest, 2018, but most likely 2019.
LOL earliest. They ain't gonna be out of the top 10 ever.

[LAZERUSS]

Lmao Philadelphia. Everyone's favorite NBA *** dumpster :oldlol:

THIS.

[SwishSquared]

LOL earliest. They ain't gonna be out of the top 10 ever.Any idea what the protections after 2019 are? I haven't seen that. Also, I'm pretty sure SAC hasn't picked outside the top 10 in a decade. Sad lol.

[LAZERUSS]

Pretty pathetic when the Sixers can find room for the Kings trash.

There are D-League teams out there that wouldn't have taken those stooges.

[Droid101]

Any idea what the protections after 2019 are? I haven't seen that. Also, I'm pretty sure SAC hasn't picked outside the top 10 in a decade. Sad lol.
Says top ten in that summary. I'm assuming it's the same deal (top 10 for two years then 2nd rounder, but who knows, maybe it becomes unprotected after a while knowing the Kings).

[SwishSquared]

Says top ten in that summary. I'm assuming it's the same deal (top 10 for two years then 2nd rounder, but who knows, maybe it becomes unprotected after a while knowing the Kings).:lol True, thanks!

[GOBB]

LOL earliest. They ain't gonna be out of the top 10 ever.

Depends if George Karl stays.

[FireDavidKahn]

Depends if George Karl stays.
Karl won't matter. That won't have a good first round pick until 2030.

Philly got 1 first round pick and the rights to swap 2 first round picks for a salary dump from the Kings. The Kings aren't going to sign anyone useful.

They got bent over a trash can by Hinkie.

This is Darko level stupidity from Vlade

[GOBB]

Karl won't matter. That won't have a good first round pick until 2030.

Philly got 1 first round pick and the rights to swap 2 first round picks for a salary dump from the Kings. The Kings aren't going to sign anyone useful.

They got bent over a trash can by Hinkie.

This is Darko level stupidity from Vlade

No disagreement on the trade between sixers and kings. I just think of Karl is around by 2018 that they aren't picking top 10 lottery. He seems to find ways to get teams winning. Career 59%, only missed playoffs 4 times (if u include last season as his fault). 3 years is a long time so who knows but just saying if Karl somehow remains there? I see us getting the pick in 2018. :D

[T_L_P]

So in addition the Kings are giving a future 1st rounder and the option to swap 1st round picks in multiple drafts.


:facepalm :facepalm

Jesus Christ. :oldlol:

[FrenchDude]

Stauskas?
The guy with the girlfriend who look like a goddess?

[kunk75]

i actually think Nik will still wind up being a good player...somehow...somewhere. he should get some good kick outs since they seem intent on playing with 4 centers

[Dr.J4ever]

Pretty pathetic when the Sixers can find room for the Kings trash.

There are D-League teams out there that wouldn't have taken those stooges.

What? I take issue with this.

The normally negative Philly media is praising Hinkie on this fleecing of the Kings. Forget about Thompson and Landry, Stauskas is a 20 year old who was suppose to be the best shooter of the 2014 draft after getting picked 8th overall. You can give up on him already if you like, but we don't think he suddenly forgot how to shoot just because he played for a dysfunctional Kings team where Cousins reportedly didn't like him and was very tough on him.

We have rights to 2 pick swaps and a first round pick. Philly will have possibly 4 other 1st rounders next season, and Dario Saric coming soon.

Hinkie is doing great, and the rebuilding is going along just fine. The landscape of the NBA will soon prove that good things will come to those who play the long game, as opposed to impatient and clueless GMs and fans.

[DMAVS41]

Pretty pathetic when the Sixers can find room for the Kings trash.

There are D-League teams out there that wouldn't have taken those stooges.

???

It was one of the best moves in recent memory. Not sure what you are getting at.

[RightTwoCensor]

Sixers basically traded the rights to a random player for Nik Stauskas, a future 1st rounder, the right to swap 1st rounders, and the Kings' entire PF rotation.

Move those idiots to Seattle.

[SwishSquared]

Also, people should realize that 76ers can flip Thompson for Crawford (guaranteed for only $1.5M I believe), especially if DJ leaves. Hinkie can probably get Doc to throw in a 2019 first. That gives them even more room to take garbage contracts.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Yeah Hinkie bent Vlade over a barrel and showed him the 50 states.

[imdaman99]

Giving up on Stauskas way too early :rolleyes:

[Dbrog]

Great move by the 76ers. They SEVERELY needed some more bigs :lol

[SwishSquared]

That future Sacramento pick is unprotected in 2020. Top 10 protected 2018 (assuming obligation to Bulls expired) and 2019.

That's a pretty awful trade considering the Kings signed Rondo (1-year, but still...) & Bellinelli out of it.

[andremiller07]

That future Sacramento pick is unprotected in 2020. Top 10 protected 2018 (assuming obligation to Bulls expired) and 2019.

That's a pretty awful trade considering the Kings signed Rondo (1-year, but still...) & Bellinelli out of it.
It's really not considering if things go to shit we get talent/picks back for a rebuild by trading Cousins and Gay.

[SwishSquared]

It's really not considering if things go to shit we get talent/picks back for a rebuild by trading Cousins and Gay.That's a reasonable point (and a reality you guys may well explore within next 12 months) but that's really glossing over how bad of a trade that was. Not everybody gets a Wiggins-prospect in return for a disgruntled superstar. You guys surely can, but I think that was so short-sighted before having a firm agreement.

I could be 100% wrong and you guys could make the playoffs and pacify DMC. I hope for your fan base's sake you don't have a miserable year. I just am having trouble wrapping my head around it, especially when it was floated that Vlade struggles to understand the CBA.

[Dr.J4ever]

That's a reasonable point (and a reality you guys may well explore within next 12 months) but that's really glossing over how bad of a trade that was. Not everybody gets a Wiggins-prospect in return for a disgruntled superstar. You guys surely can, but I think that was so short-sighted before having a firm agreement.

I could be 100% wrong and you guys could make the playoffs and pacify DMC. I hope for your fan base's sake you don't have a miserable year. I just am having trouble wrapping my head around it, especially when it was floated that Vlade struggles to understand the CBA.

They probably won't make the playoffs even with those new players. Look at the West, and ask yourself who they will replace in the top 8? It's a long shot at best.

If they are in the lottery next year, then the 76ers get an extra lotto ticket to play the odds.:lol

[andremiller07]

That's a reasonable point (and a reality you guys may well explore within next 12 months) but that's really glossing over how bad of a trade that was. Not everybody gets a Wiggins-prospect in return for a disgruntled superstar. You guys surely can, but I think that was so short-sighted before having a firm agreement.

I could be 100% wrong and you guys could make the playoffs and pacify DMC. I hope for your fan base's sake you don't have a miserable year. I just am having trouble wrapping my head around it, especially when it was floated that Vlade struggles to understand the CBA.
Vlade/the owner want to build around Cousins (rightfully or wrongfully) Vlade basically had no choice he wanted Wes and another solid player.

I personally would have gone in a different direction but the draft pick and what we gave up does not worry so much. I don't see what's so bad about Rondo to me he gives us more chance getting to the playoffs (which is massively slim and unlikely) that we don't have with what we gave away. Which means had Vlade kept those pieces than the only other option is to trade Dmc or Rudy (I would have traded Rudy in a package for Lawson)

[andremiller07]

They probably won't make the playoffs even with those new players. Look at the West, and ask yourself who they will replace in the top 8? It's a long shot at best.

If they are in the lottery next year, then the 76ers get an extra lotto ticket to play the odds.:lol
No they don't just have the option to swap picks and f the Kings are worse than Philly than it's a complete rebuild anyway.

[SwishSquared]

They probably won't make the playoffs even with those new players. Look at the West, and ask yourself who they will replace in the top 8? It's a long shot at best.

If they are in the lottery next year, then the 76ers get an extra lotto ticket to play the odds.:lolI know it's a huge long shot, I'm being as nice as I can be about how pessimistic I am about their odds. I'm saying there is a small chance I'm wrong lol so my apologies for being harsh in grading out that trade if they are somehow good.

[Dr.J4ever]

No they don't just have the option to swap picks and f the Kings are worse than Philly than it's a complete rebuild anyway.

What do you mean? Yes, the 76ers have the option to swap picks anytime in the next 2 drafts if the pick is in the top 10. The Kings owe the Bulls a top 10 protected, and if it is not in the top 10, then it conveys to the Bulls.

If ,however, it is in the top 10, Philly could take it for 2 straight years.

[SwishSquared]

No they don't just have the option to swap picks and f the Kings are worse than Philly than it's a complete rebuild anyway.The way those pick swaps work... it just allows Philly to have a great shot at a top 3 pick. It doesn't matter if Philly lands ahead of the Kings, but in past 2 years teams have jumped ahead of the 76ers after having the 2nd worst record. If they have a bottom 3 record once again (good chance imo) then the 76ers have a like 60% chance of having a top 3 pick b/c of those pick swaps, assuming Kings miss lotto.

[andremiller07]

I know it's a huge long shot, I'm being as nice as I can be about how pessimistic I am about their odds. I'm saying there is a small chance I'm wrong lol so my apologies for being harsh in grading out that trade if they are somehow good.
Your not being harsh at all I just don't think some people realised what they were attempting. They obviously could/should have gone in a different direction but it is what it is.

[Dr.J4ever]

I know it's a huge long shot, I'm being as nice as I can be about how pessimistic I am about their odds. I'm saying there is a small chance I'm wrong lol so my apologies for being harsh in grading out that trade if they are somehow good.

No problem at all.

Actually, the problem in Philly now is some fans were worried that the Kings would back out of the deal, but now it seems it is safe because they already signed 2 players.

[SwishSquared]

Your not being harsh at all I just don't think some people realised what they were attempting. They obviously could/should have gone in a different direction but it is what it is.The FO wanted 2/3 of Wes/Rondo/Ellis and got 1. I understand why Vlade took that risk, but that was a mega offer for just a salary dump.

No going back now, so it's whatever lol. I think Vivek/Vlade wanted to clear the space in hopes of fielding the most exciting team he could. Just a ballsy gamble that went terribly wrong imo. I wouldn't have attempted to do that at all but it's moot now.

Best of luck this year :cheers:

[SwishSquared]

No problem at all.

Actually, the problem in Philly now is some fans were worried that the Kings would back out of the deal, but now it seems it seems safe because they already signed 2 players.Unless they wanna tick off RR/MB and their agents by reneging their contract offers, they don't even have the cap space to take back Stauskas/Landry/Thompson. I think you guys are in the clear!

[andremiller07]

The FO wanted 2/3 of Wes/Rondo/Ellis and got 1. I understand why Vlade took that risk, but that was a mega offer for just a salary dump.

No going back now, so it's whatever lol. I think Vivek/Vlade wanted to clear the space in hopes of fielding the most exciting team he could. Just a ballsy gamble that went terribly wrong imo. I wouldn't have attempted to do that at all but it's moot now.

Best of luck this year :cheers:
Pretty much , but I rather them gamble than being 25 win team (which the Kings might end up being anyway )and watching Thompson/Landry while trying to develop Ben and Nik (who I think will be a decent player but we should have never drafted) for no reason at the same position which makes zero sense.

I'm just disappointed they didn't go via the trading Rudy Gay route at 13million per season I think we could have got 1-2 starting players back for him like Gerald Henderson + something else from the Bobcats.

[Dr.J4ever]

Pretty much , but I rather them gamble than being 25 win team (which the Kings might end up being anyway )and watching Thompson/Landry while trying to develop Ben and Nik (who I think will be a decent player but we should have never drafted) for no reason at the same position which makes zero sense.

I'm just disappointed they didn't go via the trading Rudy Gay route at 13million per season I think we could have got 1-2 starting players back for him like Gerald Henderson + something else from the Bobcats.

You're a Kings fan?

What happened with Nik in his rookie year? I understand he shot 42% from 3 after the ASB, but generally struggled. What's up with that?

[SwishSquared]

Pretty much , but I rather them gamble than being 25 win team (which the Kings might end up being anyway )and watching Thompson/Landry while trying to develop Ben and Nik (who I think will be a decent player but we should have never drafted) for no reason at the same position which makes zero sense.

I'm just disappointed they didn't go via the trading Rudy Gay route at 13million per season I think we could have got 1-2 starting players back for him like Gerald Henderson + something else from the Bobcats.You guys definitely reached on Stauskas and it seems like a waste trading him away that soon. I actually think Charlotte would have been intrigued in trading for Rudy, especially locked into that contract. I bet you could have gotten the same package in return. Heck, if you took back Lance in that trade (before LAC got him), you probably could have gotten their lotto pick this year.

I get wanting to go for an improvement through FA, but I just disagree with the timing of the salary dump I guess. Some trade would have materialized imo had they just waited and gotten commitments.

[andremiller07]

You're a Kings fan?

What happened with Nik in his rookie year? I understand he shot 42% from 3 after the ASB, but generally struggled. What's up with that?
Nik sadly had a tough time adjusting to the NBA, coming in one of his strengths was his cockiness but the guy had zero confidents out there and at this point in time he's physically not strong enough which resulted in him being in foul trouble or getting abused on D.

I think Nik's skillset would have been a perfect fit but it sucks he just didn't show anything really. I think he will be a solid rotation player once he gets stronger, he smart/sneaky hops and is skilled.

[Dr.J4ever]

Nik sadly had a tough time adjusting to the NBA, coming in one of his strengths was his cockiness but the guy had zero confidents out there and at this point in time he's physically not strong enough which resulted in him being in foul trouble or getting abused on D.

I think Nik's skillset would have been a perfect fit but it sucks he just didn't show anything really. I think he will be a solid rotation player once he gets stronger, he smart/sneaky hops and is skilled.

Hopefully a change of environment will do him wonders.

Lots of shooters struggled in their first year though. Some writers in Philly dug up many shooters who struggled like Nik and they include JJ Reddick and Kyle Korver.

Some have said his floor would be a JJ Reddick and maybe his ceiling would be Klay thompson with inferior defense?

Possible?

[andremiller07]

You guys definitely reached on Stauskas and it seems like a waste trading him away that soon. I actually think Charlotte would have been intrigued in trading for Rudy, especially locked into that contract. I bet you could have gotten the same package in return. Heck, if you took back Lance in that trade (before LAC got him), you probably could have gotten their lotto pick this year.

I get wanting to go for an improvement through FA, but I just disagree with the timing of the salary dump I guess. Some trade would have materialized imo had they just waited and gotten commitments.
I'm hoping LMA goes to the Suns and that they dump Markief Morris (another head case but quality player) if they need to clear cap space. Ideally if we could get a skilled 3/4 man like Wilson Chandler/Kef and these types (since the Kings still got 12mil I cap space after all the deals) than things change a bit. It's another long shot but maybe some teams need to dump salary and the Kings still could get one more starting level piece.

I've also heard us taking on Nene's deal (Nene/Cuz/WCS/Gay is not a bad frontline).

[andremiller07]

Hopefully a change of environment will do him wonders.

Lots of shooters struggled in their first year though. Some writers in Philly dug up many shooters who struggled like Nik and they include JJ Reddick and Kyle Korver.

Some have said his floor would be a JJ Reddick and maybe his ceiling would be Klay thompson with inferior defense?

Possible?
I'd say he's more athletic JJ Redick with the ability to one day fill in at point guard or be lead guard from the two (best case scenario). He actually reminded me a lot of former Nugget who played terrific for the Magic in Evan Fournier (not sure if your familiar with him) he just plays less European than him.

[Dr.J4ever]

Nik sadly had a tough time adjusting to the NBA, coming in one of his strengths was his cockiness but the guy had zero confidents out there and at this point in time he's physically not strong enough which resulted in him being in foul trouble or getting abused on D.

I think Nik's skillset would have been a perfect fit but it sucks he just didn't show anything really. I think he will be a solid rotation player once he gets stronger, he smart/sneaky hops and is skilled.

Our coach, Brett Brown, really wanted him last year in the draft. It was rumored that we had Nik higher than Saric, who we drafted 12th.

[SwishSquared]

I'm hoping LMA goes to the Suns and that they dump Markief Morris (another head case but quality player) if they need to clear cap space. Ideally if we could get a skilled 3/4 man like Wilson Chandler/Kef and these types (since the Kings still got 12mil I cap space after all the deals) than things change a bit. It's another long shot but maybe some teams need to dump salary and the Kings still could get one more starting level piece.Agreed. That would be a good deal for you guys if you can land one of those pieces.

I'm surprised you didn't make a big offer to Tobias Harris honestly. Thought for sure you'd go for him once Wes went to Dallas and before you signed Rondo.

[Dr.J4ever]

I'd say he's more athletic JJ Redick with the ability to one day fill in at point guard or be lead guard from the two (best case scenario). He actually reminded me a lot of former Nugget who played terrific for the Magic in Evan Fournier (not sure if your familiar with him) he just plays less European than him.

Well, an athletic JJ Reddick who might be able to fill in some at PG would be welcome with the 76ers. We see a future with him. Not necessarily as some sort of savior, but a piece in a title contending 9 man rotation.

thanks:cheers:

[andremiller07]

Agreed. That would be a good deal for you guys if you can land one of those pieces.

I'm surprised you didn't make a big offer to Tobias Harris honestly. Thought for sure you'd go for him once Wes went to Dallas and before you signed Rondo.
Yeap in particular since they are planning on playing Rudy @ the 4 those two could have just swapped around.