Connor McDavid

[hateraid]

I know it's just NHL hockey and there's not a big following on ISH. But there doesn't seem to be any buzz on Connor McDavid.
What we are witnessing here is a generational type hockey player. This kid is the real deal. He's on par at this point and is destined to be as great as Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Crosby. Put it this way, Jake Eichel who was picked second would have gone number 1 over any player since Crosby and McDavid is clearly better than him.
Not only is he a generational hockey player, he may be one of those athletes that transcends his sport and becomes one of those athletes recognized in most parts of the world. He may bring hockey to the next level and with Jake Eichel being drafted the same year we may be witnessing the next Gretzky/Lemieux, Crosby/Ovechkin rivalry, maybe even better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRJeys-cFQ

[BurningHammer]

Not sure if CMD will be able to turn this full-of-no1-overall-picks-yet-still-shitty team that is Edmonton Oilers into a contender though.

[hateraid]

Not sure if CMD will be able to turn this full-of-no1-overall-picks-yet-still-shitty team that is Edmonton Oilers into a contender though.

Not this year, but next year they will be batter than the Flames, Canucks, and Avs.They can get rid of some low hanging fruit now and get rid of either Hall, RNH, Yakupov, or Eberle and bring in size, a legit number 1 defenceman, and/or a marquee goalie.
It doesn't mean he can't excel individually. His puck skills are ridonkulous. I'd say better than Crosby at this point. I say lock for ROY and I'll go as far to say top 10 in scoring

[Done_And_Done]

The kid looks legit. He completely shredded the OHL last year which is renown as the toughest place to play as a junior, despite missing a chunk of games after fracturing his hand in that scrap.

Fricken Edmonton though. Lottery picks for days...

They need to bolster that back end up and signing Sekera was a pretty good start.

Seems like they're pretty confident in Talbot. I'm still on the fence about him. He's 27 and doesn't have a crazy track record of success.

[NuggetsFan]

The hype has been unreal. Crosby level. I think it ends up like the Tavares situation. Tavares scored 72 goals that one year in the OHL and didn't have McDavid hype but people were pumping his tires. Came into the NHL and was a little bit of a letdown scoring 54 points. I think McDavid does better than that but in a similar fashion comes in and scores 66-75 points and people are underwhelmed because of the crazy hype.

NHL is a different animal nowadays. Such a bump and grind game instead of high scoring/highly skilled. Jamie Benn won the Art Ross last season. Crosby had 84 in 77.

I think if McDavid scores 70+ points it'll be amazing. He's considered a generational prospect to alot of people and don't think people will be happy with that tho. Who knows.

[NuggetsFan]

Not this year, but next year they will be batter than the Flames, Canucks, and Avs.They can get rid of some low hanging fruit now and get rid of either Hall, RNH, Yakupov, or Eberle and bring in size, a legit number 1 defenceman, and/or a marquee goalie.
It doesn't mean he can't excel individually. His puck skills are ridonkulous. I'd say better than Crosby at this point. I say lock for ROY and I'll go as far to say top 10 in scoring

A legit number 1 defenceman? You act like those grow on tree's or that Yak and Eberle could actually bring back that kinda return. If Edmonton moves Hall or RNH for one than there basically creating another hole by fixing the D. Better off just letting guys like Nurse develop and hope he turns into something special. Same with the goalie, think it'll be tougher than you make it out.

Edmonton just has players that all have the same skillet. Hall, Yak, Eberle, RNH to a lesser degree than the others are just all offensively gifted players who aren't that physical and don't play defense. McDavid is another offensive superstar who won't play a grinding game or probably be that great defensively for a few years.

Edmonton passing the Avs/Flames that quickly is a stretch IMO. Hockey is a team sport, McDavid can't carry teams like that.

[hateraid]

The hype has been unreal. Crosby level. I think it ends up like the Tavares situation. Tavares scored 72 goals that one year in the OHL and didn't have McDavid hype but people were pumping his tires. Came into the NHL and was a little bit of a letdown scoring 54 points. I think McDavid does better than that but in a similar fashion comes in and scores 66-75 points and people are underwhelmed because of the crazy hype.

NHL is a different animal nowadays. Such a bump and grind game instead of high scoring/highly skilled. Jamie Benn won the Art Ross last season. Crosby had 84 in 77.

I think if McDavid scores 70+ points it'll be amazing. He's considered a generational prospect to alot of people and don't think people will be happy with that tho. Who knows.

Times are changing and it is moving towards a more skilled game. Look at guys like Forsburg and Johnson who are lighting it up with their puck skills. Skating is more of a requirement and the days of the goon enforcer are quickly diminishing. The grinders like Lucic, Hartnell, Backes, Brown are being exposed and are not as coveted. Scoring is getting better. Look at the Stanley Cup Finals. Teams with immensely stacked skill in Chicago and Tampa. The great scoring teams are now coming up. Plus at the pace CMD scores and possible line combinations I can see him easily get 75-80 this year. Edmonton can score, they just can't prevent it. McDavid's timing at getting drafted couldn't have gone any better.

[hateraid]

A legit number 1 defenceman? You act like those grow on tree's or that Yak and Eberle could actually bring back that kinda return. If Edmonton moves Hall or RNH for one than there basically creating another hole by fixing the D. Better off just letting guys like Nurse develop and hope he turns into something special. Same with the goalie, think it'll be tougher than you make it out.

How am I acting like they grow on trees? That's why I said that they have the assets to shop for one. And a team desperate for scoring may wanna take a look at one of these players. St.Louis just lost Oshie and is shopping Backes. I'm sure they could give up one of their deep defensive core for a Eberle or Hall. Same with LA.


Edmonton just has players that all have the same skillet. Hall, Yak, Eberle, RNH to a lesser degree than the others are just all offensively gifted players who aren't that physical and don't play defense. McDavid is another offensive superstar who won't play a grinding game or probably be that great defensively for a few years.

This contradicts your last paragraph. Why not fill those holes and trade one of those players since they virtually are identical. Get a grinder, a stay at home defencemen, or even a goalie prospect.


Edmonton passing the Avs/Flames that quickly is a stretch IMO. Hockey is a team sport, McDavid can't carry teams like that.

If Johnny Hockey and Bennet can make that huge of an impact, I'm sure CMD could. All it takes is the Oiler brass to stop hoarding their 'potential" and get some savy players. The Oilers are well in position to move skill guys for depth guys. The Flames caught fire, but will digress just like the Avs did this year, and the Avs are going through turmoil. Edmonton not this year, but I think next year they'll be poised to be a threat and have a solid foundation just like the Jets this year.

[NuggetsFan]

Times are changing and it is moving towards a more skilled game. Look at guys like Forsburg and Johnson who are lighting it up with their puck skills. Skating is more of a requirement and the days of the goon enforcer are quickly diminishing. The grinders like Lucic, Hartnell, Backes, Brown are being exposed and are not as coveted. Scoring is getting better. Look at the Stanley Cup Finals. Teams with immensely stacked skill in Chicago and Tampa. The great scoring teams are now coming up. Plus at the pace CMD scores and possible line combinations I can see him easily get 75-80 this year. Edmonton can score, they just can't prevent it. McDavid's timing at getting drafted couldn't have gone any better.

Scoring in general is alot lower than it was once. Pretty sure the GPG last year was like 2.7. Powerplays down as low as they've been in awhile, allowing the D to clutch and grab the skilled guys. The players you pointed out kinda help my case. Forsberg finished with 63 points, didn't even crack 30 goals. Johansen is 6'3 and 220.

Skill and such is obviously important. Don't want to downplay that. Enforcers are getting phazed out but 2 way hockey is more important than ever. Nobody hit 90 points last year, 1 50 goal scorer, only 2 other players hit 40. Just meant currently 100+ points seem to be a rarity and because of the hype McDavid is getting I think people will be disappointed with 75 points.

[NuggetsFan]

How am I acting like they grow on trees? That's why I said that they have the assets to shop for one. And a team desperate for scoring may wanna take a look at one of these players. St.Louis just lost Oshie and is shopping Backes. I'm sure they could give up one of their deep defensive core for a Eberle or Hall. Same with LA.



This contradicts your last paragraph. Why not fill those holes and trade one of those players since they virtually are identical. Get a grinder, a stay at home defencemen, or even a goalie prospect.



If Johnny Hockey and Bennet can make that huge of an impact, I'm sure CMD could. All it takes is the Oiler brass to stop hoarding their 'potential" and get some savy players. The Oilers are well in position to move skill guys for depth guys. The Flames caught fire, but will digress just like the Avs did this year, and the Avs are going through turmoil. Edmonton not this year, but I think next year they'll be poised to be a threat and have a solid foundation just like the Jets this year.

#1 d-man are probably the most valuable in the league, that or #1 C's. Your not getting one for Eberle, not even close. It'd have to be RNH or Hall.

They should move Yak/Eberle/Drai for some depth. If they moved RNH/Hall it'd just leave another huge gap. Not even sure what you'd get. What defensemen would teams actually be willing to be move? Dougie Hamilton just got dealt. He's not even a #1 and probably not worth it for Edmonton to lose RNH for something like that.

Flames were a team. It wasn't just Johnny Hockey or Monahan. Monahan is also a 2 way player unlike anybody with Edmonton. Hudler led the team in the scoring. They had a really deep d-core. Wideman, Gio, Brodie. They just picked up Dougie Hamilton too :confusedshrug:

Avs are fine. They've added to the defense, had an awful season last year and should bounce back.

One player isn't going to make this massive difference. Edmonton has been awful it'll take atleast 2-3 years to get going barring a homerun trade. Probably once Nurse and there other prospects take the next step.

[hateraid]

#1 d-man are probably the most valuable in the league, that or #1 C's. Your not getting one for Eberle, not even close. It'd have to be RNH or Hall.

They should move Yak/Eberle/Drai for some depth. If they moved RNH/Hall it'd just leave another huge gap. Not even sure what you'd get. What defensemen would teams actually be willing to be move? Dougie Hamilton just got dealt. He's not even a #1 and probably not worth it for Edmonton to lose RNH for something like that.

Flames were a team. It wasn't just Johnny Hockey or Monahan. Monahan is also a 2 way player unlike anybody with Edmonton. Hudler led the team in the scoring. They had a really deep d-core. Wideman, Gio, Brodie. They just picked up Dougie Hamilton too :confusedshrug:

Avs are fine. They've added to the defense, had an awful season last year and should bounce back.

One player isn't going to make this massive difference. Edmonton has been awful it'll take atleast 2-3 years to get going barring a homerun trade. Probably once Nurse and there other prospects take the next step.

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Hey, aren't you in Winnipeg? I might be there for a conference this summer

[NuggetsFan]

True
Hey, aren't you in Winnipeg? I might be there for a conference this summer

Nah. Ontario. Kinda why I'm a little negative on the McDavid hype. Been hearing it for so long feels like everybody is just setting him up to fail. Your certainly not alone in the opinion that he'll turn around Edmonton.

I've talked to a few people about it and nobody seems to be focusing in on how much the scoring has dropped. Crosby was like what 105 his rookie season? top 10 in the league. McDavid at 80 points would be huge IMO. People are expecting fireworks because of how talented he looks.

[Kungfro]

I've been hearing all the buzz, but then I'm from Alberta.

[Done_And_Done]

Over 3000 showed up to watch him pratice today. The expectations are a plenty for this kid.

[hateraid]

Nah. Ontario. Kinda why I'm a little negative on the McDavid hype. Been hearing it for so long feels like everybody is just setting him up to fail. Your certainly not alone in the opinion that he'll turn around Edmonton.

I've talked to a few people about it and nobody seems to be focusing in on how much the scoring has dropped. Crosby was like what 105 his rookie season? top 10 in the league. McDavid at 80 points would be huge IMO. People are expecting fireworks because of how talented he looks.

I wouldn't say scoring has dropped, more like spread out. Not one guy is dominating, a whole team is contributing and producing 20+ goal scorers. This has evolved into a skating league in which CMD will thrive.
And that talent is undeniable. This is Crosby/Lebron/Shaq level sure thing talent

[West-Side]

He's way better than Crosby.
WAY...better.

Just watch.
He might end up better than Gretzky.
Just go watch his highlights.

He has it all; skating ability, shooting, vision and most importantly intelligence.
Gretzky already said he's the best prospect in the last 30 years... THIRTY YEARS. He also said he can see him becoming the GOAT.

That's coming from the Great One.
I can't wait to see this kid play; **** you Oilers!

[hateraid]

He's way better than Crosby.
WAY...better.

Just watch.
He might end up better than Gretzky.
Just go watch his highlights.

He has it all; skating ability, shooting, vision and most importantly intelligence.
Gretzky already said he's the best prospect in the last 30 years... THIRTY YEARS. He also said he can see him becoming the GOAT.

That's coming from the Great One.
I can't wait to see this kid play; **** you Oilers!

I don't know about Gretzky. Wayne was a unique athlete blessed with reaction time. That is unnatural and not something you can just develop. He literally reactes faster than the average human. Those records as well are just too out of reach. Better than Crosby I can see. Gretzky is nearly untouchable

[BoogieWoogieMan]

Based off an eye test from what I've seen in his junior games, this kid has special written all over him. Haven't seen a player this good since Crosby at that young. The black hole known as the Edmonton Oilers might weigh him down though.

[hateraid]

Based off an eye test from what I've seen in his junior games, this kid has special written all over him. Haven't seen a player this good since Crosby at that young. The black hole known as the Edmonton Oilers might weigh him down though.

The division is ripe for the taking. Vancouver is having a fire sale. Phoenix will suck for a long, long time. San Jose is aging and falling apart. Calgary is up and coming but not far ahead. The league is favoring great skaters. I think his timing is right and entering in at the perfect time.

[BoogieWoogieMan]

The division is ripe for the taking. Vancouver is having a fire sale. Phoenix will suck for a long, long time. San Jose is aging and falling apart. Calgary is up and coming but not far ahead. The league is favoring great skaters. I think his timing is right and entering in at the perfect time.

And with all that said, the Oilers will find a way to f*ck it all up. :oldlol:

[Godzuki]

I know it's just NHL hockey and there's not a big following on ISH. But there doesn't seem to be any buzz on Connor McDavid.
What we are witnessing here is a generational type hockey player. This kid is the real deal. He's on par at this point and is destined to be as great as Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Crosby. Put it this way, Jake Eichel who was picked second would have gone number 1 over any player since Crosby and McDavid is clearly better than him.
Not only is he a generational hockey player, he may be one of those athletes that transcends his sport and becomes one of those athletes recognized in most parts of the world. He may bring hockey to the next level and with Jake Eichel being drafted the same year we may be witnessing the next Gretzky/Lemieux, Crosby/Ovechkin rivalry, maybe even better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRJeys-cFQ

wtf is crosby? are these dudes really on the level of gretzky and lemiux? considering sports are always crowning somebody the next great.

i remember when Jagr was going to be the next Lemieux :rolleyes:

oh and what about Owen Nolan, i think that was his name :rolleyes: