Replace LeBrons 2nd best player with Pippen from his 6th season

[dubeta]

How many does he win?

I'd say they win in:

2009 -he went to the ECF with Mo Williams, Pippen would be enough to get over the hump.. Pippen would be a better 2nd option that whatever Orlando and the Lakers had, would be a pretty easy championship I must say.

2010 - this is a maybe harder road to the finals, but considering the Cavs went that far with Mo Williams, they can still probably win the chip. Again Pippen would be the best 2nd option in the playoffs

2012 - a healthy Pippens 21/6/7 with elite defense can easily replace Wades production, Pippen takes the defensive assignments like Durant and Melo.

2013 -Wade and Bosh were absolutely awful in 2013, averaging 15 and 12 ppg respectively, heck any contribution from Pippen would be enough to offset Wade. I'd even wager they beat the Spurs in 6 games instead of 7 with Pippen.


2015 - This one would be a guarantee absolutely no argument that they wouldn't have won with Pippen. They went to 6 in the Finals with Matthew Dellevadova as the 2nd best player, replace with Pippen and Cavs in 6. Part of the reason Cavs had success was because of Defense, and Pippen would only amplify that.


So that would be 5 rings with potentially more incoming. Unfortunately the only time LeBron had the help equivalent to having Pippen, was in 2011. Only once in 12 seasons.

[livinglegend]

He wins all of them.


FUN FACT: 1-9

[Ne 1]

Unfortunately the only time LeBron had the help equivalent to having Pippen, was in 2011.
So what happened in 2011?

[livinglegend]

So what happened in 2011?
Wade ruined it all by trying to be the man.

FUN FACT: 1-9

[Poochymama]

How many does he win?

I'd say they win in:

2009 -he went to the ECF with Mo Williams, Pippen would be enough to get over the hump.. Pippen would be a better 2nd option that whatever Orlando and the Lakers had, would be a pretty easy championship I must say.

2010 - this is a maybe harder road to the finals, but considering the Cavs went that far with Mo Williams, they can still probably win the chip. Again Pippen would be the best 2nd option in the playoffs

2012 - a healthy Pippens 21/6/7 with elite defense can easily replace Wades production, Pippen takes the defensive assignments like Durant and Melo.

2013 -Wade and Bosh were absolutely awful in 2013, averaging 15 and 12 ppg respectively, heck any contribution from Pippen would be enough to offset Wade. I'd even wager they beat the Spurs in 6 games instead of 7 with Pippen.


2015 - This one would be a guarantee absolutely no argument that they wouldn't have won with Pippen. They went to 6 in the Finals with Matthew Dellevadova as the 2nd best player, replace with Pippen and Cavs in 6. Part of the reason Cavs had success was because of Defense, and Pippen would only amplify that.


So that would be 5 rings with potentially more incoming. Unfortunately the only time LeBron had the help equivalent to having Pippen, was in 2011. Only once in 12 seasons.

Would Lebron play off ball and let Pippen run the offense? or would he run the offense himself and turn Pippen into a 3&D guy?

[dubeta]

He wins all of them.


FUN FACT: 1-9

:applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

Pippen and LeBron's defense on perimeter players would've been unbelievable in 2009.

[Trollsmasher]

Pippen and LeBron's defense on perimeter players would've been unbelievable in 2009.
this

5 rings in the row at least

[Done_And_Done]

Interesting choice of numbers there OP.

First you've gotta 2.

And then you've got a 6.

Hmmmph.

Go figure.

[jayfan]

Nothing changes.

But if Pippen replaced Ray Allen, Lebron's 1/7 instead of 2/6.




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[TheMan]

Interesting choice of numbers there OP.

First you've gotta 2.

And then you've got a 6.

Hmmmph.

Go figure.
:applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Interesting hypothetical, dont know whats up with the hate here, it doesnt make MJ less of a player admitting that LeBron would likely win all those years. Pippen is a great player.

[jayfan]

Interesting choice of numbers there OP.

First you've gotta 2.

And then you've got a 6.

Hmmmph.

Go figure.

Genius! OP trolled his own thread!



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[Dragonyeuw]

Interesting choice of numbers there OP.

First you've gotta 2.

And then you've got a 6.

Hmmmph.

Go figure.

:applause: too easy.

[No_Control]

Interesting choice of numbers there OP.

First you've gotta 2.

And then you've got a 6.

Hmmmph.

Go figure.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kevin-Garnett-Reaction-at-2013-Dunk-Contest.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

Nothing changes.

But if Pippen replaced Ray Allen, Lebron's 1/7 instead of 2/6.




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Lol, this dude is retarded

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

A healthy Wade is a better fit IMO.

Pippen and LeBron cancel each other out by doing too much of the same thing. They'd likely have some success if only for their defense, but still... You're better off pairing LeBron with a Pau Gasol or Westbrook.

[K Xerxes]

Pairing LeBron with a LeBron-lite. Essentially Pippen would become a 3&D player, and you'd be complaining about lack of help when they don't get it done.

[jayfan]

A healthy Wade is a better fit IMO.

Pippen and LeBron cancel each other out by doing too much of the same thing. They'd likely have some success if only for their defense, but still... You're better off pairing LeBron with a Pau Gasol or Westbrook.

Exactly.


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[PsychoBe]

Interesting choice of numbers there OP.

First you've gotta 2.

And then you've got a 6.

Hmmmph.

Go figure.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[K Xerxes]

A healthy Wade is a better fit IMO.

Pippen and LeBron cancel each other out by doing too much of the same thing. They'd likely have some success if only for their defense, but still... You're better off pairing LeBron with a Pau Gasol or Westbrook.

Pairing LeBron with Westbrook would be hliarious. How would that be a good fit AT ALL?

[ArbitraryWater]

Matter of fact is, pairing a perimeter guy with a big ALWAYS works... thats why you know some players are special when you can pair them with non stars, and call it "complimentary cast"... like they wouldn't have had easier, better success WITH a star, a big at that... yeah, Bron and a big is an easy choice.. I always wanted to see Bron and Howard (yea yea, super team doe), but he also worked it with Wade, and one of the few title teams ever with no real inside presence.

Having something good in the back and front court, thats the usual, right balance for title teams.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pairing LeBron with Westbrook would be hliarious. How would that be a good fit AT ALL?

Like Wade, Westbrook can create shots on his own, at will (they're both mediocre 3PT shooters as well). They wouldn't be the best of duos, but I don't see Russ getting in the way of LeBron's game as I would with Pippen.

LeBron and Gasol would be a fantastic pairing though.

[Dragonyeuw]

A healthy Wade is a better fit IMO.

Pippen and LeBron cancel each other out by doing too much of the same thing. They'd likely have some success if only for their defense, but still... You're better off pairing LeBron with a Pau Gasol or Westbrook.

Yeah, to some degree Wade and Lebron's skillsets were redundant too, but the difference is Wade's a more willing scorer whereas Lebron is more in his comfort zone facilitiating and doing all the little things like Scottie did on those Bulls title teams.

[TheMan]

Interesting hypothetical, dont know whats up with the hate here, it doesnt make MJ less of a player admitting that LeBron would likely win all those years. Pippen is a great player.
So LeBron gets to have prime Pippen for all these hypothetical 6 chips? Interedasting...no not ready for prime time Pippen when his migrane in GM 7 ECFs cost the Bulls a title in 90, no broken down Pippen with back issues where MJ singlehandidly carried the Bulls to the finish line, as a 35 year old? Just all prime Pippen :rolleyes:

Two can play that game, give MJ prime Wade and Bosh and he'd start winning chips as early as 88 instead of 91...MJ would've ended up with at least 9 chips :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah, to some degree Wade and Lebron's skillsets were redundant too, but the difference is Wade's a more willing scorer whereas Lebron is more in his comfort zone facilitiating and doing all the little things like Scottie did on those Bulls title teams.

Basically.

[GimmeThat]

Lebron becomes complacent and becomes really good at those high elbow pick and roll, but not the side shots.

he will still need another 'big 3' player who can score

maybe he spends an offseason to improve his shooting in the sense it becomes deadly

[Done_And_Done]

Whenever Dubeta types, his keys disperse an equal amount of shit as seen below

http://i.imgur.com/9ecFtDW.gif

[Indian guy]

Pairing LeBron with a LeBron-lite. Essentially Pippen would become a 3&D player, and you'd be complaining about lack of help when they don't get it done.

LeBron's enormous success with Wade and Kyrie should've debunked this by now. Those 2, when healthy, managed to put together monster seasons alongside him and were part of dominant offensive teams. And neither player had to adjust much. In Kyrie's case, 0 adjustments. He basically played like he had always played this past season. Cleveland finished as the league's #3 offense and were the runaway #1 during the 2nd half of the season.

If paired with Pippen, LeBron can easily move to the 4 for much of the time anyway, which was basically what he was doing from 12-14 in Miami.

[dubeta]

So basically 5 rings by now would be a consensus?


And lol at anyone saying Pippen cancels out LeBron. LeBron would let Pippen run and offense, and become the Off- Ball scorerof the team like he did in the 2012 Finals

LeBron in the low post and Pippen on the perimeter running the plays


LeBrons assists go down, but efficiency and rebounds go up


LeBron: 28/11/4 on 59% shooting

Pippen: 22/6/6 with elite defense


5+ rings with more on the way

[Phong]

LeBron failed so many times in the Finals, his stans have to give him imaginary rings. :facepalm

[dubeta]

LeBron failed so many times in the Finals, his stans have to give him imaginary rings. :facepalm


The only place Kobe has success is in the court room :facepalm

[Done_And_Done]

So basically 5 rings by now would be a consensus?


And lol at anyone saying Pippen cancels out LeBron. LeBron would let Pippen run and offense, and become the [B]Off- Ball scorerof the team like he did in the 2012 Finals

LeBron in the low post and Pippen on the perimeter running the plays


LeBrons assists go down, but efficiency and rebounds go up


LeBron: 28/11/4 on 59% shooting

Pippen: 22/6/6 with elite defense


5+ rings with more on the way

Don't you ever get tired of getting b1tch slapped around here? Like seriously... I've never seen a poster get ragged on the way you do.

You're like Ish's communal porta-potty and your face is the toilet seat.

Your sole purpose on here is to serve as a placemat for human sh1t.

[Done_And_Done]

The only place Kobe has success is in the court room :facepalm

His 5 rings dictate otherwise.

See what I mean?

I literally just submerged your ugly face with a mass volume of sh1t.

And didn't flush.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Considering Bran went 2/4 with prime Wade whos better than Pippen and prime Bosh whos better than any 3rd best player MJ had. And also he couldnt win with 2011 Wade whos 2 times the player Pippen ever was:lol :lol :lol

[Poochymama]

LeBron's enormous success with Wade and Kyrie should've debunked this by now. Those 2, when healthy, managed to put together monster seasons alongside him and were part of dominant offensive teams. And neither player had to adjust much. In Kyrie's case, 0 adjustments. He basically played like he had always played this past season. Cleveland finished as the league's #3 offense and were the runaway #1 during the 2nd half of the season.

If paired with Pippen, LeBron can easily move to the 4 for much of the time anyway, which was basically what he was doing from 12-14 in Miami.


Huh? Both of them had to adjust, a lot. Kyrie was never much a distributor, so it wasn't really a problem to give that over to Lebron, but he's basically given that role over to Lebron and he only really does it now when Lebron is on the bench.. Wade had to completely change the way he played though.

Lebron and Pippen is about the worst offensive waste of talent I can think of. They would be great defensively though. Lebron would do better with a really good 3 and d guy like Battier.

Lebron/Battier > Lebron/Pippen, even though Pippen is a much better player than Battier.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Pairing LeBron with a LeBron-lite. Essentially Pippen would become a 3&D player, and you'd be complaining about lack of help when they don't get it done.
Basically.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I love how these clowns talk about Pippen and act like it guarantees Lebron rings, as if Jordan didn't have to come up with monstrous games, 4th quarters, and heroic final 4-6 minutes in the postseason to win many of those games.

Is Lebron doing that? No - not to that extent, at least. Hence he doesn't win as much. Much of Pippen's value would also be neutralized by Lebron, since Lebron can't play off the ball nearly as well as Jordan - he'd make Pippen into more of a play finisher (which he could do) or shooter (which he was only average at), and you'd lose out on some of Pippen's own greatness at handling and setting up the offense since Lebron doesn't let anyone do that but himself.

[Ne 1]

I love how these clowns talk about Pippen and act like it guarantees Lebron rings, as if Jordan didn't have to come up with monstrous games, 4th quarters, and heroic final 4-6 minutes in the postseason to win many of those games.

Is Lebron doing that? No - not to that extent, at least. Hence he doesn't win as much. Much of Pippen's value would also be neutralized by Lebron, since Lebron can't play off the ball nearly as well as Jordan - he'd make Pippen into more of a play finisher (which he could do) or shooter (which he was only average at), and you'd lose out on some of Pippen's own greatness at handling and setting up the offense since Lebron doesn't let anyone do that but himself.


Ether.

Also LeBron didn't need a "Pippen" because on top of playing in a historically weak conference and playing in the weakest era for bigs ever...and in the weakest era for superstars...relative to league average Miami might have been the best offensive cast in NBA history.

Best player in the league in LeBron
Top 2 SG/Top 6-7 player in Wade
Top 5 PF/Top 15 player in Bosh

And a ridiculous amount of excellent shooters to space the floor for James/Wade:
Ray Allen
Chalmers
Battier
Miller
Lewis
(And you can even throw in Bosh here with him being regulated to a spot up shooter in Miami) Absolutely insane. If you were going to create the perfect offensive cast for a perimeter superstar, this would be it.

[Asukal]

The weak east is actually a blessing in disguise. We get to see bron fail year after year in the finals and has a chance to break wilt's 2/6 finals record. We wouldn't have any of that if the east is strong, because bron wouldn't even reach the finals at all. :oldlol: