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Dro
07-03-2015, 08:42 PM
The core of the team had been together for more than three years, and tempers were wearing thin. Jordan and Chris Paul had gotten into it more than once, which led Jordan to start seriously contemplating what it might be like to play elsewhere in 2015-16.

He was tired of Paul's constant barking and petty gestures, like distributing high-fives to the three other guys on the floor following a timeout but somehow freezing out Jordan. Optics aside, the biggest issue for Jordan was that, despite the leaps and bounds he made to be named first team all-defense, the Clippers always treated him like the player he was when he arrived in the NBA, and never like the player he'd become.


Yet when the recruiting process got underway, the Clippers were off-key. Jordan gave the Clippers the first shot at choosing a time slot, according to sources, but scheduling the meeting was a chore.

The Clippers came in and told Jordan he was central to their team success, but in contrast to the other suitors, their message was shrouded in ambiguity. The marketing piece from president of business operations Gillian Zucker was compelling, but the basketball pitch offered few of the particulars he saw in the other meetings. Still, that wasn't the biggest beef.


the Clippers' primary rival for Jordan, the Mavericks, couldn't do enough to convey their desire for Jordan. Nowitzki interrupted his vacation to fly to Los Angeles to join Chandler Parsons to take Jordan out. Mark Cuban and Rick Carlisle wined and dined him

Paul was off in the Bahamas with LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. Paul made only half-hearted attempts to reach out to Jordan late in the process, according to sources close to the process.
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The Los Angeles Clippers returned from their longest trip of the season in February having lost five of their eight games. But DeAndre Jordan posted some of the best numbers of his career over the stretch, including a 22-point, 27-rebound, 3-block effort in a win at Dallas to finish the trip.

The core of the team had been together for more than three years, and tempers were wearing thin. Jordan and Chris Paul had gotten into it more than once, which led Jordan to start seriously contemplating what it might be like to play elsewhere in 2015-16.

He was tired of Paul's constant barking and petty gestures, like distributing high-fives to the three other guys on the floor following a timeout but somehow freezing out Jordan. Optics aside, the biggest issue for Jordan was that, despite the leaps and bounds he made to be named first team all-defense, the Clippers always treated him like the player he was when he arrived in the NBA, and never like the player he'd become.

From the moment he arrived on the campus of Texas A&M in 2007, Jordan was tagged with a red flag. He was labeled a head case whose physical gifts would never translate into on-court production. Once a potential top-10 talent, he sank to the second round of the 2008 NBA draft, where he was taken No. 35 overall, though some in the Clippers organization wanted to select Mike Taylor.

When Jordan arrived in Los Angeles, he was the consummate "project" big man, regarded as a slow learner with confidence issues to boot. During those first couple of seasons, the Clippers made more outgoing calls than incoming ones on Jordan, who saw little playing time.

After years of striking out on big-name free agents, the Mavericks finally landed a core to buoy the team in Dirk Nowitzki's golden years.
But little by little, Jordan became a more confident offensive player and, much more notably, a rim protector who began to grasp the nuances of pick-and-roll coverage and back-line defensive rotations. When Doc Rivers arrived in Los Angeles in 2013, he immediately anointed Jordan a member of the Clippers' big three and declared Jordan's candidacy for defensive player of the year.

Yet for as much confidence as Rivers' "Don't worry about your touches, just defend like hell" shtick inspired the young center, Jordan still wanted to expand his offensive role. This belief intensified during Blake Griffin's absence in parts of February and March, when Jordan felt as if he proved he was an honest-to-goodness offensive threat, routinely putting up 20-plus points without sloughing off any of the dirty work on the glass and on the defensive end.

At Jordan's request, he and the Clippers began to have more substantive conversations about how he might expand his role, both on the offensive end and in the team's marketing campaign. All the while, a few teams around the league started to quietly send out signals that, were Jordan to entertain the idea of playing somewhere other than with the Clippers next season, they'd be interested in his services.

Intelligent people can debate whether Jordan was truly worthy of an all-defense nod this season, but his production never waned. He logged 16 points, 17 boards, four steals and three blocks in Game 7 of the Clippers' devastating Western Conference semifinals loss to Houston. Jordan's exploration of free agency began in earnest soon thereafter.

There was considerable interest in Jordan but also a challenge. Many of the early suitors couldn't offer Jordan the expanded offensive role he coveted. But there were a few that could, namely Dallas, the Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks. Of course, there were still the Clippers, where Jordan had made his mark, and played alongside his closest friend in basketball, Griffin. And though Rivers might not have always been successful giving Jordan the kind of post touches he wanted -- and one could argue Rivers' vision of Jordan's role in the offensive was spot-on -- the coach had been a catalyst for the center's development.

Yet when the recruiting process got underway, the Clippers were off-key. Jordan gave the Clippers the first shot at choosing a time slot, according to sources, but scheduling the meeting was a chore. All the while, the Mavericks, Lakers and Knicks each gave compelling basketball presentations about how their respective offenses could accommodate Jordan with nifty pick-and-roll sets and, in the Mavericks' case, play calls that leveraged Dirk Nowitzki's range to give Jordan baseline seals and duck-ins. It was everything Jordan had envisioned: A Dwight Howard-size role in an NBA offense.

The Clippers came in and told Jordan he was central to their team success, but in contrast to the other suitors, their message was shrouded in ambiguity. The marketing piece from president of business operations Gillian Zucker was compelling, but the basketball pitch offered few of the particulars he saw in the other meetings. Still, that wasn't the biggest beef.

Jordan is a very impressionable guy who was tarred first as immature, then as an underachieving athletic freak, then as a convenient scapegoat for Paul and others whenever things became wobbly. And now the Clippers' primary rival for Jordan, the Mavericks, couldn't do enough to convey their love for Jordan. Nowitzki interrupted his vacation to fly to Los Angeles to join Chandler Parsons to take Jordan out. Mark Cuban and Rick Carlisle wined and dined him. The full-court press was on and, for the first time since high school, Jordan was an object of desire.

Meanwhile, the Clippers' meeting didn't include a single player. Griffin, of course, was in constant touch with his confidant, but Paul was off in the Bahamas with LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. Paul made only half-hearted attempts to reach out to Jordan late in the process, according to sources close to the situation. At a certain point, the balance of affection tipped, and there weren't enough dinners at Katsuya or testimonials to Jordan about how much he'd flourished under Rivers' development to keep Jordan in Los Angeles.

Jordan's departure represents a cruel irony for Rivers. Had he not been so successful at emboldening Jordan as an all-world defender, he might not have had to fight as hard to keep him......
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13194922/deandre-jordan-looks-step-los-angeles-clippers-stars-shadows

Dro
07-03-2015, 08:43 PM
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As for DJ/CP3 dynamic. It's bad and it's been bad for three years when Celtics and Clippers got deep into trade talks on DJ-for-KG

JerrySeinfeld
07-03-2015, 08:48 PM
Paul was off in the Bahamas with LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. Paul made only half-hearted attempts to reach out to Jordan late in the process, according to sources close to the process.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I understand that recruiting players isn't his job, but if I was a Clippers fan, I'd be pissed reading that.

Sharmer
07-03-2015, 08:50 PM
this is already been discussed in other threads, this is plagiarism.

http://espn.go.com/nba/

BarberSchool
07-03-2015, 08:53 PM
Jordan is a very impressionable guy who was tarred first as immature, then as an underachieving athletic freak, then as a convenient scapegoat for Paul and others whenever things became wobbly. And now the Clippers' primary rival for Jordan, the Mavericks, couldn't do enough to convey their love for Jordan. Nowitzki interrupted his vacation to fly to Los Angeles to join Chandler Parsons to take Jordan out. Mark Cuban and Rick Carlisle wined and dined him. The full-court press was on and, for the first time since high school, Jordan was an object of desire.This set of scenarios was all DeAndre needed for his decision, because he is so impressionable. I do, however, feel bad that everything is falling apart around Doc. I liked what he was doing with pushing the ball up with passes to create early shot clock 3-on-2 scenarios for blake.

warriorfan
07-03-2015, 08:56 PM
Jordan is like fucc cp3 and his bitchmade passive aggressive shit, I'm out

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Dro
07-03-2015, 08:56 PM
This set of scenarios was all DeAndre needed for his decision, because he is so impressionable. I do, however, feel bad that everything is falling apart around Doc. I liked what he was doing with pushing the ball up with passes to create early shot clock 3-on-2 scenarios for blake.
Yeah, its kinda crazy and even crazier is the last sentence that if Doc hadn't pushed so hard for DJ to become a better defensive player, he might have been easier to hold on to because he wouldn't have been as good a player.....:( :(

bobopenguin
07-03-2015, 08:57 PM
Tbh, if I am cp3, I would be pissed to see this guy kiss his FT all the time. I would eat this guy alive.
Remember the time DJ grabbed the rebound and still got few seconds remain to put it back then clippers can seal the win? But no, he stood there, like new born baby dunno what to do.. damn cp3 was mad as hell.
http://youtu.be/64OWlQDLFSU

Dro
07-03-2015, 08:58 PM
Jordan is like fucc cp3 and his bitchmade passive aggressive shit, I'm out

:roll: :roll: :roll:
CP3 seems to have some blame but it doesn't seem like thats the only reason. The Clipps didn't seem to have as much confidence in DJ as he would have liked.....From his role to the contract negotiations......

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
07-03-2015, 08:59 PM
Deandre is such a sensitive fakkit. Watch interviews or the mean tweets vids, he prolly one of those big dudes w/ babydcks like Shaq. Always gets emotional easy:facepalm

Dro
07-03-2015, 08:59 PM
Tbh, if I am cp3, I would be pissed to see this guy kiss his FT all the time. I would eat this guy alive.
Remember the time DJ grabbed the rebound and still got few seconds remain to put it back then clippers can seal the win? But no, he stood there, like new born baby dunno what to do.. damn cp3 was mad as hell.
http://youtu.be/64OWlQDLFSU
Yeah, but CP3 overreacted there just like when he overexaggerates contact.....You don't show up your teammate like that. Especially not your all-star center. You could get away with that with a bench player/scrub and even then its over the top......He acted like it was the end of the world....

fiddy
07-03-2015, 09:03 PM
Deandre is such a sensitive fakkit. Watch interviews or the mean tweets vids, he prolly one of those big dudes w/ babydcks like Shaq. Always gets emotional easy:facepalm
DJ has dumbfuсk written all over his face

Dro
07-03-2015, 09:06 PM
Also, DJ is from Texas. When you factor in that his drama queen PG is getting on his nerves, the Clipps don't have the confidence in him on offense that they claimed they did, and he gets to go home. I don't really blame him. I think if Dallas gets a PG and another bench guy, they'll be better than people think......

Rocketswin2013
07-03-2015, 09:07 PM
1. Chris Paul
2. Christopher Emmanuel Paul
3. CP3









BTW, I really like CP3, but this is obvious.

Edit: didn't read the OP. Yeah CP3 was huge in this.

warriorfan
07-03-2015, 09:08 PM
DJ has dumbfuсk written all over his face

his eyes are too close together it makes him look hella dumb

CavaliersFTW
07-03-2015, 09:15 PM
CPBully

http://giant.gfycat.com/EsteemedInfantileEquestrian.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64OWlQDLFSU

:lol

FKAri
07-03-2015, 10:30 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:

I understand that recruiting players isn't his job, but if I was a Clippers fan, I'd be pissed reading that.

alpha af

midatlantic09
07-03-2015, 10:37 PM
Why should Chris Paul respect a teammate who shoots 40% from the free-throw line, can barely dribble a basketball, has zero post moves, and can't shoot outside of 5 feet?

bluechox2
07-03-2015, 10:40 PM
CPBully

http://giant.gfycat.com/EsteemedInfantileEquestrian.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64OWlQDLFSU

:lol

the game clock stopped also

rmt
07-03-2015, 10:40 PM
CPBully

http://giant.gfycat.com/EsteemedInfantileEquestrian.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64OWlQDLFSU

:lol

I'd be mad as hell too with DJ. I can't imagine being a fan, much less a team mate of such incompetence. Thank God for Duncan. You guys can have your lobs and dunks.

Dro
07-03-2015, 11:01 PM
Why should Chris Paul respect a teammate who shoots 40% from the free-throw line, can barely dribble a basketball, has zero post moves, and can't shoot outside of 5 feet?

Why should he respect him? Lead the league in rebounding which helps start all those fast breaks....

Draws so much attention when he sets a pick and rolls down the lane that it frees up shooters.......

4th in the league in blocks.....defensive player of the year candidate...

Got CP3 easy assists......Sure CP3 was making the pass but there's not many guys that can finish like DJ and one is still on the Clippers.....

No wonder the Clipps won't ever win anything, defense isn't appreciated there apparently.....

:rolleyes:

boozehound
07-03-2015, 11:27 PM
Also, DJ is from Texas. When you factor in that his drama queen PG is getting on his nerves, the Clipps don't have the confidence in him on offense that they claimed they did, and he gets to go home. I don't really blame him. I think if Dallas gets a PG and another bench guy, they'll be better than people think......
also, people seem to forget that the state tax on a contract like this adds up. 12.3% of 10 million (half his salary, since half home games) is nearly 1.25 million every year!?! That is a 50k/year job for a quarter century. Huge difference, esp when the feds are already taking 8 of your 20 million every year.

Dro
07-03-2015, 11:37 PM
also, people seem to forget that the state tax on a contract like this adds up. 12.3% of 10 million (half his salary, since half home games) is nearly 1.25 million every year!?! That is a 50k/year job for a quarter century. Huge difference, esp when the feds are already taking 8 of your 20 million every year.

Yup and it was also a factor in Ellis turning down the Kings for the Pacers......

Funktion
07-04-2015, 12:07 AM
Change of scene. Drama with LAC. Signed an offer sheet with the Warriors a few years ago too.

LA_Showtime
07-04-2015, 12:09 AM
DeAndre Jordan left LA because he wanted to go to Dallas. Now that he is in Dallas, he will no longer be in LA.

j3lademaster
07-04-2015, 12:16 AM
this is already been discussed in other threads, this is plagiarism.

http://espn.go.com/nba/did the op claim that article as his own? If not, that's not plagiarism.

sd3035
07-04-2015, 12:20 AM
Paul was off in the Bahamas colluding with LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.



What a group of losers that is lol

unknowns8
07-04-2015, 12:24 AM
Tbh, if I am cp3, I would be pissed to see this guy kiss his FT all the time. I would eat this guy alive.
Remember the time DJ grabbed the rebound and still got few seconds remain to put it back then clippers can seal the win? But no, he stood there, like new born baby dunno what to do.. damn cp3 was mad as hell.
http://youtu.be/64OWlQDLFSU


:no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:


there was a clock error after CP3's missed shot where the game clock stopped at 0.7, CP3's miss hits the rim with 1.0 remaining and clock stops for no reason at 0.7 so even if DJ did a put back slam from that miss it wouldn't have counted, the play would've been waived for the clock error

the best part is the clock error also makes CP3's childish outburst pointless and ridiculous ... like most childrens outburts hahaha

StephHamann
07-04-2015, 12:26 AM
http://www.igohardnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ChandlerParsons.jpg

outbreak
07-04-2015, 12:28 AM
Cp3 is a whintp iece of shit nothing new

midatlantic09
07-04-2015, 12:48 AM
also, people seem to forget that the state tax on a contract like this adds up. 12.3% of 10 million (half his salary, since half home games) is nearly 1.25 million every year!?! That is a 50k/year job for a quarter century. Huge difference, esp when the feds are already taking 8 of your 20 million every year.

State tax isn't a huge deal for one reason: you ultimately end up paying them when you file your federal tax return. What I mean by that is those who pay state taxes in other states are able to deduct state and local taxes from their gross income on their federal return which means whatever you pay in state taxes just get added to your itemized deductions, therefore lessening your overall tax burden. Essentially, it's a case of pay now or pay later.

Also, Texas makes up for a lack of state taxes via high property taxes.

brandonislegend
07-04-2015, 02:30 AM
loll

SugarHill
07-04-2015, 02:32 AM
And people said the locker room issues were fabricated