The Knicks Should be a Top 6 Seed Next Season...

[Fudge]

PG: Jose Calderon/Jerian Grant/Langston Galloway
SG: Arron Afflalo/Ricky Ledo
SF: Carmelo Anthony/Cleanthony Early
PF: Derrick Williams
C: Robin Lopez/Kristaps Porzingis

Really good team.

Tell me they won't be in the playoffs and i'll break your hip. ****ing ******.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Playoffs? Chip or bust

[MellowYellow]

How are they gonna get Bargnani and Shved? Vet Mins?

[Legends66NBA7]

Division favorites and then probably contend for the Top 4 seed in the East. Then I don't know about what they do in the playoffs, thats still too far away.

[Cocaine80s]

Cavs
Bulls
Pacers
Hawks
Heat
Wizards
Bucks
Raptors


I dont see the knicks even making the playoffs :lol

[bluechox2]

How are they gonna get Bargnani and Shved? Vet Mins?

we can sign them over the cap, but i advise against bringing back bargs

[Fudge]

How are they gonna get Bargnani and Shved? Vet Mins?
Shut the **** up.

Bargs walks. Derrick Williams starts.

You ****ing ******.

[DMAVS41]

Definitely a nice team and definitely a playoff team.

Too bad Melo isn't 26....:lol

[smoovegittar]

Really good team compared to last year's. They could make the playoffs in the lousy East, but I gotta see how they gel. Zinger stays healthy and contributes; they'll shut a lot of people up for a spell.

[MellowYellow]

Definitely a nice team and definitely a playoff team.

Too bad Melo isn't 26....:lol

Too bad Dirk isn't 32, like he was when the Mavs won the ship......:lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Too bad Dirk isn't 32, like he was when the Mavs won the ship......:lol

He's seen his team win a chip at least

[Fudge]

He's seen his team win a chip at least
The retard was implying that Melo (at his current age) is fully capable of winning a ring just like Dirk did when he was 32.

:lol

Somebody put his helmet back on!

[MellowYellow]

we can sign them over the cap, but i advise against bringing back bargs
Pretty sure they renounced their bird rights to sign all these players.

[HylianNightmare]

I hope so

[Patrick Chewing]

we can sign them over the cap, but i advise against bringing back bargs


gringos will kill himself

[TheMarkMadsen]

they have 0 bench

those pieces fit really nicely around Melo tho..

they set themselves up nicely to be 1 or 2 pieces away from being serious finals contenders in the east depending on who they get in next years FA

[livinglegend]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/I4Jmrcjnr8Zfq/200.gif

[bluechox2]

Pretty sure they renounced their bird rights to sign all these players.
they have a small caphold and all the signings were made with the capholds

[Legends66NBA7]

they have 0 bench

those pieces fit really nicely around Melo tho..

they set themselves up nicely to be 1 or 2 pieces away from being serious finals contenders in the east depending on who they get in next years FA

They can be East contenders now too because it's the East.

[Bosnian Sajo]

So they start a failed #2 pick instead of the guy they just picked up with the 4th overall pick? Makes sense.

[MellowYellow]

So they start a failed #2 pick instead of the guy they just picked up with the 4th overall pick? Makes sense.

Who said he was starting?

[DMAVS41]

I worry about the Knicks not giving Porzingis enough playing time with a squad like this.

One of the most important things for his development, imo, will be him playing a rock solid 20 to 25 minutes a game and starting.

It helps so much....but with these Knicks...they'll be trying to win games...and I wonder if they'll shorten his minutes if he's struggling.

I think that would be a huge mistake for the future of this franchise.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Who said he was starting?

Responding to op.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

This might be the greatest team the Knicks have had in the last 15 years....12th seed tops, though.

[MellowYellow]

This might be the greatest team the Knicks have had in the last 15 years....12th seed tops, though.
How would they be a 12 seed with the best team they have had in 15 years if they were the 2 seed with 54 wins in 2013?

[LA_Showtime]

Next season the Knicks will make the playoffs, or they won't make the playoffs.

[SouBeachTalents]

Next season the Knicks will make the playoffs, or they won't make the playoffs.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/3e/3e176372dd0b9f8c3f86f3b8eac3003aca16e2df84b2734faa 96815840ef932b.jpg

[Sarcastic]

Not seeing it. 30 wins seems about right.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

The Knicks Should be a Top 6 Lotto Team Next Season...
fixed

[monkeypox]

In the east they could possibly make the finals.

[MellowYellow]

Talk trash all you want guys, but the fact is this is a better and more talented roster than the 2013 Knicks that finished 2nd in the East with 54 wins. As long as Melo is healthy and he has competent role players on his team, playoffs is pretty much a lock.

[Hotlantadude81]

25-32 wins

[Cocaine80s]

Talk trash all you want guys, but the fact is this is a better and more talented roster than the 2013 Knicks that finished 2nd in the East with 54 wins. As long as Melo is healthy and he has competent role players on his team, playoffs is pretty much a lock.
uwotm7

[Hotlantadude81]

They can be East contenders now too because it's the East.

lol at this piece of crap team being a contender this year.

No defense and a terrible bench.

[Uncle Drew]

Talk trash all you want guys, but the fact is this is a better and more talented roster than the 2013 Knicks that finished 2nd in the East with 54 wins. As long as Melo is healthy and he has competent role players on his team, playoffs is pretty much a lock.
Delusional as hell.

[Legends66NBA7]

lol at this piece of crap team being a contender this year.

No defense and a terrible bench.

I was just being sarcastic. That what the OP was doing as well.

They should improve their win total from last year, though.

[oarabbus]

Porzingis will probably play the 4 or maybe even the 3 like young Dirk. He won't be a C.

If PJax and Bald Fish can work some magic and Carmelo is healthy, then no way this team misses playoffs. I'd want an upgrade over Derrick Williams at 4 if I were the knicks though.

[macmac]

Lol this lineup is garbage, you guys must be on drugs. I bet the under on 45.5 games

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol this lineup is garbage, you guys must be on drugs. I bet the under on 45.5 games


And sadly, in the East, that can get you a Top 6 seed.

[smoovegittar]

gringos will kill himself

No. But when Melo gets traded next year, he may jump ship for Bucks.

[StephHamann]

PG: Jose Calderon/Jerian Grant/Langston Galloway
SG: Arron Afflalo/Ricky Ledo
SF: Carmelo Anthony/Cleanthony Early
PF: Derrick Williams
C: Robin Lopez/Kristaps Porzingis

Really good team.

Tell me they won't be in the playoffs and i'll break your hip. ****ing ******.

Calderon
Afflalo
Melo
Porzingis
Lopez
From a spacing standpoint that starting 5 would be formidable.

[Patrick Chewing]

No. But when Melo gets traded next year, he may jump ship for Bucks.


You see a scenario of us trading Melo next season? So do I.


Knicks will be mediocre with this lineup, 40 wins at best probably, but I can see us shipping Melo out mid-season to another team for a first round pick, then we can go all in on KD.

[smoovegittar]

You see a scenario of us trading Melo next season? So do I.


Knicks will be mediocre with this lineup, 40 wins at best probably, but I can see us shipping Melo out mid-season to another team for a first round pick, then we can go all in on KD.

I think Melo will want to leave, barring a miracle. Jax will be all about getting picks. KD to me seems like a pipe dream, but I won't shoot it down. By the time he's available, this team will have a direction - crucial. And again, more and more I think Zinger is gonna make a big difference (which for myself is a turn-around in thought. Totally against him 4 weeks ago.). At least we'll be easier on the eyes this season. Shane Larkin, Bargs and Aldrich had me switching games off, and that's saying something.

[longtime lurker]

Not seeing it. 30 wins seems about right.

Finally a Knicks fan with common sense. This signings are superficial at best. I honestly don't see the Knicks being much better than a team like Boston. Miami is definitely better than them and depending on what Indiana does they should be better than them with a full season of Paul Geroge. Knicks are honestly looking like a poor man's Nets.

[kshutts1]

You see a scenario of us trading Melo next season? So do I.


Knicks will be mediocre with this lineup, 40 wins at best probably, but I can see us shipping Melo out mid-season to another team for a first round pick, then we can go all in on KD.
Posted it on the Knicks forum, but what about...

Melo to Utah for...
Burks, Exum, 3 2016 second round picks, 3 2017 second round picks

then Calderon to Dallas for...
2016 second round pick, 2017 second round pick

then sign Biyombo to 2/10, with second year team option

NYK: This team likely won't make the playoffs, but all are young, growing players OR players that are solid vets that can contribute to a losing, or winning, roster. Oh, and they have 4 second round picks in both 2016 and 2017.
Exum/Grant/Galloway
Burks/Afflalo/Exum
Afflalo/Early/Williams
Williams/Porzingis
Robin/Biyombo

Utah: Nasty team, assuming Gobert continues to grow. I'm not familiar with their roster, hence the gaps.
Burke/
Hayward/
Melo/Ingles?
Favors/Booker
Gobert/Favors

Dallas: Well-rounded starting 5, but they almost literally don't have anything else yet.

Calderon/Felton
Mathews
Parsons
Dirk
DJ

[kshutts1]

Finally a Knicks fan with common sense. This signings are superficial at best. I honestly don't see the Knicks being much better than a team like Boston. Miami is definitely better than them and depending on what Indiana does they should be better than them with a full season of Paul Geroge. Knicks are honestly looking like a poor man's Nets.
All of those teams did mke the playoffs, or would have with healthy players.

So you're saying Knicks are in the playoff hunt. Which they are. But top 6 seems difficult, barring injuries again.

[Jameerthefear]

i don't think that's a playoff team. porzingis isn't ready to start on a good team. lopez isn't a game changer like people are making him out to be either, and melo is 1 year older and has been on the decline

[StephHamann]

i don't think that's a playoff team. porzingis isn't ready to start on a good team. lopez isn't a game changer like people are making him out to be either, and melo is 1 year older and has been on the decline

Mhm, lock: Cavs,Bulls,Hawks,Bucks

most likely:Pacers,Heat,Raptors,Wizards

nope, Knicks gonna give that lottery pick away.

[kshutts1]

Mhm, lock: Cavs,Bulls,Hawks,Bucks

most likely:Pacers,Heat,Raptors,Wizards

nope, Knicks gonna give that lottery pick away.

Pacers have a bad front line. Raptors are considering trading away Derozan, Lowry, which could change things. Heat/Wade are an injury risk. Even the Bulls... If Rose goes down, there's no Thibs to push that team in to the playoffs. I would drop Bulls to the "most likely" category. Not the lock.

Knicks have a shot. They currently have a better player than Bucks, Pacers, Heat, Raptors, Bulls, and that alone counts for a lot.

[longtime lurker]

All of those teams did mke the playoffs, or would have with healthy players.

So you're saying Knicks are in the playoff hunt. Which they are. But top 6 seems difficult, barring injuries again.

No I'm saying that the Knicks aren't any better than the 2 worst teams that were in the playoffs last season and Miami and Indiana will certainly push the Knicks further down on the totem pole. They're not in the hunt they'll be firmly out of it. They're better than Philadelphia and Orlando but they're in the same tier as Detroit and Charlotte.

[smoovegittar]

If Melo's truly pissed (and healed), then we should see a remarkable effort -either he'll buy in (doubtful), or showcase for a forced trade in '16.

There's no reason not to make it as an 8th seed. That would be a step up.

[kshutts1]

No I'm saying that the Knicks aren't any better than the 2 worst teams that were in the playoffs last season and Miami and Indiana will certainly push the Knicks further down on the totem pole. They're not in the hunt they'll be firmly out of it. They're better than Philadelphia and Orlando but they're in the same tier as Detroit and Charlotte.
Why is Indiana firmly better than NYK?
Hibbert v Lopez -- OK, Hibbert MAY win, but not by much.
No one v Williams -- Jokes aside, Williams
George v Melo -- Melo
CJ Miles** v Afflalo -- Afflalo, but not by much.
Hill v Calderon -- Hill

**Edit because I'm an idiot. Thought CJ Watson (who signed with Orlando) was Miles.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I agree. They'll definitely be top 6 in the Atlantic.

[Jameerthefear]

Mhm, lock: Cavs,Bulls,Hawks,Bucks

most likely:Pacers,Heat,Raptors,Wizards

nope, Knicks gonna give that lottery pick away.
yeah east has gotten a bit stronger this offseason.
edit: i don't think the pacers are that great after they lost west and watson though. and PG is one year removed from a major injury

[Jameerthefear]

No I'm saying that the Knicks aren't any better than the 2 worst teams that were in the playoffs last season and Miami and Indiana will certainly push the Knicks further down on the totem pole. They're not in the hunt they'll be firmly out of it. They're better than Philadelphia and Orlando but they're in the same tier as Detroit and Charlotte.
they aren't better than orlando. orlando could make the playoffs

[Fudge]

Why is Indiana firmly better than NYK?
Hibbert v Lopez -- OK, Hibbert MAY win, but not by much.
No one v Williams -- Jokes aside, Williams
George v Melo -- Melo
CJ Miles** v Afflalo -- Afflalo, but not by much.
Hill v Calderon -- Hill

**Edit because I'm an idiot. Thought CJ Watson (who signed with Orlando) was Miles.
They have Monta Ellis at the 2 now.

[kshutts1]

They have Monta Ellis at the 2 now.
Good call... forgot that too.

Definitely improves their roster (man, I need more caffeine or something!! I am taking some "L's" today), but I'd still argue the Knicks are there with them UNTIL Pacers sign a PF, and IF Knicks don't get anyone else useful.

[longtime lurker]

they aren't better than orlando. orlando could make the playoffs

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
payton > calderon
hell, watson > calderon
oladipo >> afflalo
fournier > early
Hezonja > early
Harris < Carmelo
frye > zingis
Vucevic >> lopez
magic have much more depth. the only player worth a damn on new york is melo. afflalo has been shit the past 2 years

[kshutts1]

payton > calderon
hell, watson > calderon
oladipo >> afflalo
fournier > early
Hezonja > early
Harris < Carmelo
frye > zingis
Vucevic >> lopez
magic have much more depth. the only player worth a damn on new york is melo. afflalo has been shit the past 2 years
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[longtime lurker]

Good call... forgot that too.

Definitely improves their roster (man, I need more caffeine or something!! I am taking some "L's" today), but I'd still argue the Knicks are there with them UNTIL Pacers sign a PF, and IF Knicks don't get anyone else useful.

The Pacers were a top tier defensive team that would have been in the playoffs had George not been injured. Assuming that he's fully recovered he's still a way better two way player than Melo. And comparing teams position by position is pointless.

[Jameerthefear]

The Pacers were a top tier defensive team that would have been in the playoffs had George not been injured. Assuming that he's fully recovered he's still a way better two way player than Melo. And comparing teams position by position is pointless.
that's a huge assumption. when he played this year he didn't do too well.

[Jameerthefear]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
harris makin a leap :lol

[FireMcFailPlease]

before the lottery..NYK fans be like


Marc
Aldridge
Melo
Matthews
Russell

after the lottery NYK fans be like

Marc
Aldridge
Melo
Matthews
Muddiaye

after draft NYK fans be like

Marc
Porzingis
Melo
Matthews
Calderon


after NBA FA starts, NYK fans be like

Robin Lopez
Porzingis
Melo
???
Calderon

[Legends66NBA7]

I think it will shape out to be in the East, like...


First tier (The favourite)

Cleveland

Second tier ("pretenders")

Miami
Atlanta

Third tier (weren't contenders to begin with but let's call them "pretenders" anyways)

Chicago
Washington
Milwaukee
Indiana

Fourth tier (either trending up or down; fighting for postseason birth)

Orlando
Boston
New York
Detroit
Charlotte
Brooklyn

Fifth tier (pure rebuild mode)

Philadelphia

[Patrick Chewing]

before the lottery..NYK fans be like


Marc
Aldridge
Melo
Matthews
Russell

after the lottery NYK fans be like

Marc
Aldridge
Melo
Matthews
Muddiaye

after draft NYK fans be like

Marc
Porzingis
Melo
Matthews
Calderon


after NBA FA starts, NYK fans be like

Robin Lopez
Porzingis
Melo
???
Calderon

Sorry, this ain't the Lakers.

[MellowYellow]

payton > calderon
hell, watson > calderon
oladipo >> afflalo
fournier > early
Hezonja > early
Harris < Carmelo
frye > zingis
Vucevic >> lopez
magic have much more depth. the only player worth a damn on new york is melo. afflalo has been shit the past 2 years

I can pretty much guarantee Grant will be starting for the Knicks this year and he is better than Payton. Zingis is better than Frye. Melo is light years ahead of Harris. And our depth awesome now with O'quinn and Williams on board.

[Jameerthefear]

lol
so.. two players that haven't played one game in the nba are already better than nba players? :roll:
and you realize o'quinn was a 3rd stringer on the magic right? dedmon and frye and vucevic played over him but he's still decent.

[MellowYellow]

lol
so.. two players that haven't played one game in the nba are already better than nba players? :roll:
and you realize o'quinn was a 3rd stringer on the magic right? dedmon and frye and vucevic played over him but he's still decent.
decent is good, Knicks didn't have any decent players last year.

[Twiens]

I think it will shape out to be in the East, like...


First tier (The favourite)

Cleveland

Second tier ("pretenders")

Miami
Atlanta

Third tier (weren't contenders to begin with but let's call them "pretenders" anyways)

Chicago
Washington
Milwaukee
Indiana

Fourth tier (either trending up or down; fighting for postseason birth)

Orlando
Boston
New York
Detroit
Charlotte
Brooklyn

Fifth tier (pure rebuild mode)

Philadelphia

...how do you forget your favourite team?:eek:

[Legends66NBA7]

...how do you forget your favourite team?:eek:

I'm too disappointed in them these days to even rank them.

:(



But if I would have to rank them, it would be tier 3 or 4.

[Jameerthefear]

does milwaukee kinda go into tier 2ish since they picked up monroe and will be getting jabari back?

[Legends66NBA7]

does milwaukee kinda go into tier 2ish since they picked up monroe and will be getting jabari back?

Whats their starting unit now ? Monroe is playing C ?

[MellowYellow]

does milwaukee kinda go into tier 2ish since they picked up monroe and will be getting jabari back?

Nope, bad defense bad spacing, mediocre offense fighting for an 8 seed.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Nope, bad defense bad spacing, mediocre offense fighting for an 8 seed.

Milwaukee has bad defense? You're dumb.

[smoovegittar]

Melo fans having a meltdown. He's gone next season; time to move on.

Orlando should have a good year this season. No reason to think not.

[finchyyy]

Calderon
Afflalo
Melo
Porzingis
Lopez
From a spacing standpoint that starting 5 would be formidable.

Formidable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

[Blue&Orange]

Rim Protection FG% Point Saved/36 Payroll
Robin Lopez 48% 1.45 $13mil
DeAndre Jordan 48.5% 0.18 $20mil
Greg Monroe 55.1% -1.23 $18mil


Giving a scrub $20mil a year and tell people he is going to be the next Shaq was something Knicks would do.

Phil is getting value for money in every player, not overpaying, surrounding Melo with defensive gritty players that can knock a shot or two, while preserving cap space for next year. He still can use the stretch provision on Calderon if he can't dump him for some picks.


Knicks will take a step forward, may they can sneak into the playoffs, it's the east after all.

[christian1923]

Rim Protection FG% Point Saved/36 Payroll
Robin Lopez 48% 1.45 $13mil
DeAndre Jordan 48.5% 0.18 $20mil
Greg Monroe 55.1% -1.23 $18mil


Giving a scrub $20mil a year and tell people he is going to be the next Shaq was something Knicks would do.

Phil is getting value for money in every player, not overpaying, surrounding Melo with defensive gritty players that can knock a shot or two, while preserving cap space for next year. He still can use the stretch provision on Calderon if he can't dump him for some picks.


Knicks will take a step forward, may they can sneak into the playoffs, it's the east after all.
If we use the stretch provision we get 8 million in cap??

Time to sign Lou Will