Why do people get so salty about Wilt Chamberlain?

[CavaliersFTW]

Vid comes out about him shooting bank shots and fadeaways and it's a big hit elsewhere on the net but surprise surprise his closet haters come out the woodwork on ISH... When is the fake hate going to stop? Give the guy some credit already :lol

[Cocaine80s]

Who?

[dubeta]

Ever since his 20,000 statement, every achievement or highlight by Wilt needs to be divided by 20,000 to see the actual truth

If one part is a lie, what stops all the other myths from being lies?

[LAZERUSS]

Ever since his 20,000 statement, every achievement or highlight by Wilt needs to be divided by 20,000 to see the actual truth

If one part is a lie, what stops all the other myths from being lies?

You mean the FACTS...like these...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Wilt_Chamberlain

Just open up the NBA Record Book...his name is PLASTERED all over it.

[Straight_Ballin]

I'm salty because I didn't get to watch him play live. It sucks not knowing how great he really was or wasn't was because I didn't get to see it.

At least I'm not some beta era Bron stan though that thinks shooting 33% in the finals is somehow connected to greatness when the guy will never win anything without Wade.

[CavaliersFTW]

ISH posters literally wrote essays why we shouldn't be impressed by his fall away jumper in that other thread, spent more time on it than it took to watch the vid :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm salty because I didn't get to watch him play live. It sucks not knowing how great he really was or wasn't was because I didn't get to see it.

At least I'm not some beta era Bron stan though that thinks shooting 33% in the finals is somehow connected to greatness when the guy will never win anything without Wade.

40% is not 33%, and Jordan never won anything without Pippen

[kentatm]

Wilt is the LeBron of yesteryear.

Clearly the best player in the league but brings out the haters in full force.

[Straight_Ballin]

40% is not 33%, and Jordan never won anything without Pippen

Don't ever try to up play Bron relative to Jordan. You sound like a fool in doing so and you know better.

Some of those games Bron shot 33-34%.

Jordan won a hell of a lot more with Pippen than Bron ever won with Wade. It's amazing what happens when you don't run off to other teams trying to chase rings. Hell, Bron can't even sign in Cleveland without being a diva about TT's contract.

He's a laughing stock. A 2/6 JOKE.

Jordan and Pippen don't even know how to lose a finals series. Bron sure does though.

[j3lademaster]

It's like this with every major icon. The stans exaggerate more and more to make him look good while haters exaggerate on the opposite end of the spectrum. Then the extremes of both sides just become equally delusional to the 90% of us in the middle trying to gauge the player objectively. It's like this for MJ, Bron, Kobe... Everyone people care enough to talk about.

[Straight_Ballin]

It's like this with every major icon. The stans exaggerate more and more to make him look good while haters exaggerate on the opposite end of the spectrum. Then the extremes of both sides just become equally delusional to the 90% of us in the middle trying to gauge the player objectively. It's like this for MJ, Bron, Kobe... Everyone people care enough to talk about.

It's pointless and laughable though for both sides to seriously comment on Wilt if they haven't seen him play. :lol

[warriorfan]

Vid comes out about him shooting bank shots and fadeaways and it's a big hit elsewhere on the net but surprise surprise his closet haters come out the woodwork on ISH... When is the fake hate going to stop? Give the guy some credit already :lol

if I make a video of myself hitting full court shots it doesn't mean I hit them at a high percentage during the game...

[CavaliersFTW]

if I make a video of myself hitting full court shots it doesn't mean I hit them at a high percentage during the game...
Shoot 68 percent on 24ppg in the NBA with fadeaways as your #3 pet shot, or make 35 shots in a row during NBA games without missing including fadeaways, safe to say you've got it dialed in it pretty well.

Inb4 conjecture: "no way it was accurate just no way"

SaLt with a capitol L

[LAZERUSS]

if I make a video of myself hitting full court shots it doesn't mean I hit them at a high percentage during the game...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IC8Nwkd1w

The man simply did not miss.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[KendrickPerkins]

The better question is why are you obsessed with a 60's basketball player? Who cares about Wilt Chamberlain.

Nice player.... hurray! He was good.

Ok?

[warriorfan]

Shoot 68 percent on 24ppg in the NBA with fadeaways as your #3 pet shot, or make 35 shots in a row during NBA games without missing including fadeaways, safe to say you've got it dialed in it pretty well.

Inb4 conjecture: "no way it was accurate just no way"

SaLt with a capitol L

Are you trolling?

[CavaliersFTW]

The better question is why are you obsessed with a 60's basketball player? Who cares about Wilt Chamberlain.

Nice player.... hurray! He was good.

Ok?
Basketball is entertainment. Great players are entertaining. Wilt was a great player. Other people are interested, or my YouTube videos would be obscure.

[CavaliersFTW]

Are you trolling?
Do you feel trolled?

[warriorfan]

Do you feel trolled?

No, you usually know at least 1 shit about basketball but right now you went beyond full retard. I hope for your sake that you are just messing around and trolling because if you are being serious it is really sad.

[KendrickPerkins]

Basketball is entertainment. Great players are entertaining. Wilt was a great player. Other people are interested, or my YouTube videos would be obscure.
Most people on here aren't too interested, which is why they lash out against the guy when you make threads about him and long winded paragraphs that nobody cares to read.

[Westbrook0]

Did you notice in those highlight videos that not one time, in that entire video, did Wilt use his left hand? Not once. Even when "driving" left. Even when shooting over his right shoulder with his back to the basket.

If you go over your right shoulder with your right hand today, that's an automatic rejection. Especially if you don't body up the defender. And the little guys trying to block him were barely getting their wrist above the rim. In fact, almost no one even DID jump trying to block his shots. Even Russell and Kareem mostly stayed on the ground when Wilt went up. Today he'd be dealing with 7-foot athletes who are not only stronger than him, but who are getting their chins up to the rim, and their hands up near the top of the backboard.

Imagine this:

http://www.i4u.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_big/images/2014/10/140109368.jpg


versus this:

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/wp-content/slideshow/2013/01/top-10-candidates-for-2013-nba-all-star-dunk-contest/medium/DeAndre-Jordan-Jayne-Kamin-Oncea.jpg

or this:

http://www.nba.com/nets/photos/deke_400_100422.jpg

or this:

http://www.emptythebench.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/javale-mcgee-gets-up1.jpg

or this:

http://sportschump.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Dwight-Howard-block.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Most people on here aren't too interested, which is why they lash out against the guy when you make threads about him and long winded paragraphs that nobody cares to read.
You've got it backwards

[warriorfan]

Most people on here aren't too interested, which is why they lash out against the guy when you make threads about him and long winded paragraphs that nobody cares to read.

Making long one sided rants about subjects that no one else is interested in besides themselves, but unable to see this as they keep on going with their rants.

This type of behavior is usually associated with Aspergers syndrome...

[KendrickPerkins]

You've got it backwards
Explain?

[LAZERUSS]

Did you notice in those highlight videos that not one time, in that entire video, did Wilt use his left hand? Not once. Even when "driving" left. Even when shooting over his right shoulder with his back to the basket.

If you go over your right shoulder with your right hand today, that's an automatic rejection. Especially if you don't body up the defender. And the little guys trying to block him were barely getting their wrist above the rim. In fact, almost no one even DID jump trying to block his shots. Even Russell and Kareem mostly stayed on the ground when Wilt went up. Today he'd be dealing with 7-foot athletes who are not only stronger than him, but who are getting their chins up to the rim, and their hands up near the top of the backboard.

Imagine this:

http://www.i4u.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_big/images/2014/10/140109368.jpg


versus this:

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/wp-content/slideshow/2013/01/top-10-candidates-for-2013-nba-all-star-dunk-contest/medium/DeAndre-Jordan-Jayne-Kamin-Oncea.jpg

or this:

http://www.nba.com/nets/photos/deke_400_100422.jpg

or this:

http://www.emptythebench.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/javale-mcgee-gets-up1.jpg

or this:

http://sportschump.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Dwight-Howard-block.jpg

All you need to know is this...a 34 year old Wilt, and playing on a surgically repaired knee, and in the worst season of his career, statistically outplayed a PEAK Kareem in their five regular season H2H's, and then in their five post-season H2H's.

Then think about this...

A 38-40 year old Kareem just annihilated a 22-24 year old Hakeem. In fact, in a span of ten straight games, a way-past-his-prime Kareem AVERAGED 32 ppg on a .630 FG%, which included games of 40, 43, and 46 points (BTW, in this game, he only played in 37 minutes, and went 21-30 from the field.)

Now, given the fact that a prime Hakeem gave a young Shaq all he could handle in the early 90's (BTW, a peak Shaq had his career high game of 37 points against Hakeem in the '99 playoffs)...and that Shaq went on to slaughter the best centers of the 00's...just how do you think a prime Chamberlain would have fared against the current NBA?

Of course, maybe you think that prime Hakeem and Shaq would be busts today.

[Elosha]

ISH posters literally wrote essays why we shouldn't be impressed by his fall away jumper in that other thread, spent more time on it than it took to watch the vid :lol

If you are referring to me, my post was primarily to criticize calling someone's shot "unstoppable" based on a six minute video. The evidence simply doesn't support the conclusion. No Wilt bashing whatsoever. We simply don't know how good of a fadeaway he had.

[LAZERUSS]

If you are referring to me, my post was primarily to criticize calling someone's shot "unstoppable" based on a six minute video. The evidence simply doesn't support the conclusion. No Wilt bashing whatsoever. We simply don't know how good of a fadeaway he had.

Yes, we do. Every bit as good as Duncan's, and I have provided first hand accounts who actually witnessed it.

And of course, the Wilt-bashers like the lunatic Fecal9, would cringe at the video FOOTAGE which clearly supports the above.

[Elosha]

Yes, we do. Every bit as good as Duncan's, and I have provided first hand accounts who actually witnessed it.

And of course, the Wilt-bashers like the lunatic Fecal9, would cringe at the video FOOTAGE which clearly supports the above.

With Tim Duncan, we have practically all the footage showing with shots he made and missed, we have the ability to determine his field goal percentage for his mid range and fadeaways, and we can determine to a certain degree where his strengths and weaknesses and preferences lie for such shots. You can do that for any great modern player, but you cannot do that for Wilt.

I doubt very much of wilts misses have ever actually been preserved, so if anything the preserved footage would be biased in favor of his made shots. Obviously it's the same for modern day highlights which only emphasize made shots, but at least we have the ability to go back and watch actual game footage and watch great players miss all their shots as well as make them. It takes patience to do that, but it gives a far more complete picture of a player than just highlighting made shots.

[Dro]

Children on here aren't too interested, which is why they lash out against the guy when you make threads about him and long winded paragraphs that nobody cares to read.
Fixed......

He makes his videos for people who appreciate greatness......

[Marchesk]

Imagine this

guy winning 2 MVPs:

http://www.sikids.com/images/cms/imce/users/acezinger668/2012/10/Steve-nash-bowtie-pinksweater-man-purse.jpg

Imagine in the 60s the only non-big to win MVP:

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/oscar-robertson-cincinnati.jpg

[Marchesk]

Oscar: 6'5, 220
Steve Nash: 6'3, 180

Oscar averages 30.3/10.6/9 on 48.8% his first 8 years in the "weak" 60s, and is the only perimeter player to get an MVP.

Nash gets two MVPs during Wade and Kobe's prime. :lol

[warriorfan]

Oscar: 6'5, 220
Steve Nash: 6'3, 180

Oscar averages 30.3/10.6/9 on 48.8% his first 8 years in the "weak" 60s, and is the only perimeter player to get an MVP.

Nash gets two MVPs during Wade and Kobe's prime. :lol

Everyone knows STeve Nash'ss empty MVP's were fugazi so your argument doesn't work

[CarlosBoozer]

People want to know what's happening or what's going to happen with the current superstars, not everyone is interested in a player from the 60's though he was a great player, our generation is always in demand for new things, or players for instance.

We focus on the new and upcoming talented players , hype up potential star players and witness greatness happening before our eyes.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Did you notice in those highlight videos that not one time, in that entire video, did Wilt use his left hand? Not once. Even when "driving" left. Even when shooting over his right shoulder with his back to the basket.

If you go over your right shoulder with your right hand today, that's an automatic rejection. Especially if you don't body up the defender. And the little guys trying to block him were barely getting their wrist above the rim. In fact, almost no one even DID jump trying to block his shots. Even Russell and Kareem mostly stayed on the ground when Wilt went up. Today he'd be dealing with 7-foot athletes who are not only stronger than him, but who are getting their chins up to the rim, and their hands up near the top of the backboard.

Imagine this:

http://www.i4u.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_big/images/2014/10/140109368.jpg


versus this:

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/wp-content/slideshow/2013/01/top-10-candidates-for-2013-nba-all-star-dunk-contest/medium/DeAndre-Jordan-Jayne-Kamin-Oncea.jpg

or this:

http://www.nba.com/nets/photos/deke_400_100422.jpg


:rolleyes:

...

or this:

http://i60.tinypic.com/28vxbx5.jpg

or this:

http://i61.tinypic.com/6ypi4w.png

or this:

http://i50.tinypic.com/qxkutk.jpg


or this:

http://i61.tinypic.com/ckljc.jpg

or this:

http://i60.tinypic.com/14kfltd.jpg


:facepalm

[Asukal]

Vid comes out about him shooting bank shots and fadeaways and it's a big hit elsewhere on the net but surprise surprise his closet haters come out the woodwork on ISH... When is the fake hate going to stop? Give the guy some credit already :lol

Why would I stop trolling loseruss? It's fcking fun, the guy is a fish, bites every single time. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Oscar: 6'5, 220
Steve Nash: 6'3, 180

Oscar averages 30.3/10.6/9 on 48.8% his first 8 years in the "weak" 60s, and is the only perimeter player to get an MVP.

Nash gets two MVPs during Wade and Kobe's prime. :lol
Steve Nash is only 6-1 without shoes too, to Oscar's 6-4 and 3/4 so Oscar isn't just bigger and stronger than Nash, he's WAY bigger and stronger :lol

[Jameerthefear]

Weak ass era. I won't allow Lazercuck and CuckFTW to spread their lies on this forum.

[warriorfan]

Weak ass era. I won't allow Lazercuck and CuckFTW to spread their lies on this forum.

don't you have to have a lady to be a cuck?

[Jameerthefear]

don't you have to have a lady to be a cuck?
No. A lot of men are cucks

[salwan]

jokes aside.

put a talent like wilt with his measures and coordination under today's physical and skill training methods and you can mould him at least into the best rim protector / paint defender in the league. by a wide margin.

his quickness, 2nd jump, recovery time, change of direction etc. would obviously not be at the same level as today's 6feet9 small-ball centers, but for his size and length it would be at historical unprecedented levels. in a more conservative pick-n-roll defensive scheme he would be unbelievably good.

if a slow bum like hibbert has fantastic opp.FG% at the rim and is regarded as a good rim protector (his offense hurts his team tho), why not wilt?

paint scoring is obviously much harder today with all the rule changes. but I refuse to believe Wilt would be a minus on that end. put the ball in his hands 5-7 feet from the rim and it's an automatic hook shot with his size advantage. put him in pick-n-rolls or just lob it to him DeAndre style. he would always draw a defender with his offensive rebounding. you can't just sag off of him. look at tristan thompson, his defender can't let him get a head start, otherwise it's an off.board.

[Westbrook0]

jokes aside.

put a talent like wilt with his measures and coordination under today's physical and skill training methods and you can mould him at least into the best rim protector / paint defender in the league. by a wide margin.

his quickness, 2nd jump, recovery time, change of direction etc. would obviously not be at the same level as today's 6feet9 small-ball centers, but for his size and length it would be at historical unprecedented levels. in a more conservative pick-n-roll defensive scheme he would be unbelievably good.

if a slow bum like hibbert has fantastic opp.FG% at the rim and is regarded as a good rim protector (his offense hurts his team tho), why not wilt?

paint scoring is obviously much harder today with all the rule changes. but I refuse to believe Wilt would be a minus on that end. put the ball in his hands 5-7 feet from the rim and it's an automatic hook shot with his size advantage. put him in pick-n-rolls or just lob it to him DeAndre style. he would always draw a defender with his offensive rebounding. you can't just sag off of him. look at tristan thompson, his defender can't let him get a head start, otherwise it's an off.board.

But see you're entirely missing the point.

We're not talking about cloning Wilt Chamberlain and raising his fetus from scratch with modern training methods and knowledge of today's game and standards. We're talking about what would happen if you took prime Wilt back in the 60s and transported him into the modern game, what would happen?

And the answer is, very clearly, he would still be a quality center because of his athleticism and size but his game itself would struggle mightily to adapt to the modern game.

[salwan]

But see you're entirely missing the point.

We're not talking about cloning Wilt Chamberlain and raising his fetus from scratch with modern training methods and knowledge of today's game and standards. We're talking about what would happen if you took prime Wilt back in the 60s and transported him into the modern game, what would happen?

And the answer is, very clearly, he would still be a quality center because of his athleticism and size but his game itself would struggle mightily to adapt to the modern game.

I understand, Sir.

but how much does such a conversation make sense then?
it's clearly unfair, since the game has grown so much and today's players have an advantage in technology, training methods and analytics, no?

to answer your question, i don't think he would be a mcgee-type scrub, like some are portraying him (jokingly I assume).
if he focused on playing defense and not doing too much on ofense, I guess he'd be a DeAndre 2.0, who is a 11/15 player, so pretty fecking great :D

remember that stretch of 20/20 games from DeAndre, when Griffin was out injured? wilt could probably do it more frequently. he'd need a great point guard though, I concede that. and great shooting around him to space the floor.

[salwan]

bill russell is an even more interesting case.

his defense would translate better to the present game (than wilt's), since at 6ft10 he was quicker, more explosive (2nd and 3rd jumps in particular), great at covering the floor.

he'd be perfect as a small-ball five. something like a draymond 2.0 on defense. quick enough to hedge, help on the perimeter and recover back, but still strong enough to box out the big boys under the basket. not to mention his communication, organisation skills and intangibles.

however, it could get iffy on the offensive end.
he'd not be able to pick-n-pop and space the floor like draymond does.
on the other hand, he was a great pick setter, rebounder and a wonderful passer, so he probably could play the role of a Joakim Noah.

defenses started to sag off of Noah though - since he can't shoot - closing out the passing lines when he has the ball. with great shooters around him he could probably do some damage with dribble hand-offs and such.

I don't know, maybe he was a better ball handler than Noah and could drive to the basket when the defense sags off. I'm not sure.

Maybe he would be neutral on offense at best. with great shooters and a stretch four around him, his huge impact on defense would overwhelm his negatives on offense for sure.

[julizaver]

But see you're entirely missing the point.

We're not talking about cloning Wilt Chamberlain and raising his fetus from scratch with modern training methods and knowledge of today's game and standards. We're talking about what would happen if you took prime Wilt back in the 60s and transported him into the modern game, what would happen?

And the answer is, very clearly, he would still be a quality center because of his athleticism and size but his game itself would struggle mightily to adapt to the modern game.

On a summer day in the early 1980s at the Men's Gym on the UCLA campus, Chamberlain showed up to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. Brown was the coach of the Bruins back then, and Chamberlain often drove to UCLA from his home in Bel Air, Calif.
"Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at the age of 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt.
"So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one (of Johnson's) shots get to the rim."
Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, a decade removed from one of the greatest careers any basketball player ever produced. But the advancing years meant little to Chamberlain in terms of physical conditioning.

Brown is Larry Brown ... coach of multiple NBA team over the last few decades.

[julizaver]

Some more about Wilt's conditioning - a part of Mark Eaton story:

The 7-foot-4 Eaton, who still holds the single-season record with an average of 5.56 per game in 1984-85, is a different story. An aspiring auto mechanic who was persuaded to play basketball at a junior college, then sat the bench at UCLA, he was largely ineffective before reaching the pros. In the summer of 1981, while playing a pick-up game at UCLA, he received some unsolicited advice from Wilt Chamberlain , who was then in his forties but still running the floor against men half his age.

[Round Mound]

:rolleyes:

...

or this:

http://i60.tinypic.com/28vxbx5.jpg

or this:

http://i61.tinypic.com/6ypi4w.png

or this:

http://i50.tinypic.com/qxkutk.jpg


or this:

http://i61.tinypic.com/ckljc.jpg

or this:

http://i60.tinypic.com/14kfltd.jpg


:facepalm

:applause: