Cavs trying to trade for Joe Johnson

[konex]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13202763/cleveland-cavaliers-interested-joe-johnson-brooklyn-nets

[STATUTORY]

biopic about lebron's career
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[RedBlackAttack]

Windhorst.

[Dbrog]

wow wtf...Varajao and Haywoods contract for Joe J. What a fricken rip for the Nets

[TheMarkMadsen]

If he can play the Manu Ginobili role for the Cavs. It's a solid acquisition, but I want a Demar Derozan type of player, but it looks like the Raptors won't trade him.

oh so you want another all star..

bran fans are unreal :oldlol: :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Please add David West now.

Please add JJ and West...it would comical.

[ArbitraryWater]

If he can play the Manu Ginobili role for the Cavs. It's a solid acquisition, but I want a Demar Derozan type of player, but it looks like the Raptors won't trade him.

dude... they already have 3 stars lol. Johnson would be a nice role player off the bench, shot creator. Really old though, same for West.


Please add David West now.

Please add JJ and West...it would comical.

what do you mean comical? too many players they don't need, right?

[j3lademaster]

If he can play the Manu Ginobili role for the Cavs. It's a solid acquisition, but I want a Demar Derozan type of player, but it looks like the Raptors won't trade him.derozan next to Bron and Kyrie :wtf:

[Optimus Prime]

They'd be doing Varajeo dirty if they traded him. Stuck around during all the bad years, but now he's going to be traded because LeBron "needs more help". :facepalm

[chips93]

varejao deserves a chance to play in the playoffs

id hate to see him traded, even if it might be the smart move.

[DMAVS41]

dude... they already have 3 stars lol. Johnson would be a nice role player off the bench, shot creator. Really old though, same for West.



what do you mean comical? too many players they don't need, right?

no...not even that.

just comical to have a team with that many good players...it would be hilarious to watch.

not comical in a bad way or anything...although I don't like either of those guys on the team that much from strictly a basketball standpoint.

Is JR coming back?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Demar Derozan can be the Cavaliers Iguodala.

:biggums: :wtf:

completely, completely different players

Derozen was an all star at 24.. he's like what 25 now and you want him as the 6th man? What's next.. John Wall would look good backing up Kyrie?

[dubeta]

:biggums: :wtf:

completely, completely different players

Derozen was an all star at 24.. he's like what 25 now and you want him as the 6th man? What's next.. John Wall would look good backing up Kyrie?


Wouldnt mind imo, Derozan and John Wall could help the Cavs bench tremendously

[HylianNightmare]

So he can close out games

[K Xerxes]

:biggums: :wtf:

completely, completely different players

Derozen was an all star at 24.. he's like what 25 now and you want him as the 6th man? What's next.. John Wall would look good backing up Kyrie?

Na dude, Durant would look even better backing up LeBron. 6th man of the year locked down for years to come. :oldlol:

[Optimus Prime]

:biggums: :wtf:

completely, completely different players

Derozen was an all star at 24.. he's like what 25 now and you want him as the 6th man? What's next.. John Wall would look good backing up Kyrie?

LeBron stans literally know nothing about basketball other than their idol. Comparing DeMar Derozan to Andre Igoudala. :facepalm

Is John Wall good? Can LeBron get him?

:kobe:

[Lebron23]

no...not even that.

just comical to have a team with that many good players...it would be hilarious to watch.

not comical in a bad way or anything...although I don't like either of those guys on the team that much from strictly a basketball standpoint.

Is JR coming back?


ala Golden State Warriors??? After watching LeBron played with a bunch of above average players in the Finals due to the injuries of Love and Irving. I want this Cavaliers to be much more deeper in the playoffs.

[RedBlackAttack]

no...not even that.

just comical to have a team with that many good players...it would be hilarious to watch.

not comical in a bad way or anything...although I don't like either of those guys on the team that much from strictly a basketball standpoint.

Is JR coming back?
I don't like JJ on this team at all from an offensive standpoint. His three-point shooting is about on par with Shumpert's, but I actually think Shump is a better spot-up guy and that's what we need. We don't need another guy who gets most of his shots off the dribble.

JJ had a usage% over 20 last year. Contrast that with JR Smith, who was our starting 2 for a dominant stretch of the regular season. He had a usage of 17.6.

Can JJ survive in an offense where he's the 4th or 5th wheel? I'm not sure I want to find out. I guess he'd be good off the bench running with the second unit. :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

ala Golden State Warriors??? After watching LeBron played with a bunch of above average players in the Finals due to the injuries of Love and Irving. I want this Cavaliers to be much more deeper in the playoffs.

but that was a freak incident really.. healthy Kyrie and Love are just fine and will do the job.

[DMAVS41]

I don't like JJ on this team at all from an offensive standpoint. His three-point shooting is about on par with Shumpert's, but I actually think Shump is a better spot-up guy and that's what we need. We don't need another guy who gets most of his shots off the dribble.

JJ had a usage% over 20 last year. Contrast that with JR Smith, who was our starting 2 for a dominant stretch of the regular season. He had a usage of 17.6.

Can JJ survive in an offense where he's the 4th or 5th wheel? I'm not sure I want to find out. I guess he'd be good off the bench running with the second unit. :confusedshrug:

agreed on all fronts.

the last thing you need is to have to worry about JJ. seems like the type of player that would come in and just either not add anything at all....or take a lot of shots trying to force thie issue.

he's not well suited to be a 5th option.

i don't view david west like that, but it smells of too many cooks in the kitchen just from an overall stand point

go out and get guys that make sense next to lebron/kyrie/love...joe johnson shouldn't be anywhere near that list imo

[Lebron23]

Both Magic and Bird get a free pass for having super stacked teams through their NBA Career.

And it took a stacked team like '83 Sixers, and '89" Pistons to beat them in a playoffs series.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think they're pretty much finalizing this deal right now.. I mean, if he's willing to come off the bench for like LeBron, that'd be cool.

[DMAVS41]

ala Golden State Warriors??? After watching LeBron played with a bunch of above average players in the Finals due to the injuries of Love and Irving. I want this Cavaliers to be much more deeper in the playoffs.

yea, but a healthy cavs team is more loaded than the Warriors.

you can't prevent or prepare for your best players getting injured

depth is super important, don't get me wrong, i just wouldn't touch JJ with a 10 foot pole.

this cavs team developed some great chemistry the 2nd half of the season and i'd like to build on that from within rather than going down this road

[Lebron23]

Raptors won't trade Derozan BTW.

Jarett Jack, Patty Mills, and Jamal Crawford (they are going to trade him now that they acquire lance stephenson) are on the Cavaliers radar.

https://factoryofsadness.co/2015/07/04/demar-derozan-trade-rumors-cavs-raptors-deal-unlikely/

[Kingwillball]

Lol if healthy cavs winning it next year..

[Kvnzhangyay]

So is Thompson the center when Mozgov sits?

[Lebron23]

I think they're pretty much finalizing this deal right now.. I mean, if he's willing to come off the bench for like LeBron, that'd be cool.


I think it's going to happen. He can be the Cavaliers Ray Allen. I think off the bench he can score 10-12 points. At this stage of his career he's a better scorer than JR Smith.

[RedBlackAttack]

I think they're pretty much finalizing this deal right now.. I mean, if he's willing to come off the bench for like LeBron, that'd be cool.
It actually seems more like a smoke screen to me. I'm guessing they're in talks with someone else to fill that role, and the Cavs gave word to media about JJ to put pressure on the otherside to make a deal happen.

I'd be pretty surprised if this actually happens.

[Donkey4trading]

hopefully we can get JJ, Mills, and Lowry if Derozen isn't available

Kyrie/Lowry
Shump/Mills/Smith
Lebron/JJ
Love/TT
Mozgof/Varejo

not the greatest supporting cast but good enough for Lebron to lead/carry them to the finals

[RedBlackAttack]

So is Thompson the center when Mozgov sits?
I'd be stunned if Andy were involved in this deal. I think that is just Windy prognosticating how it might work, money-wise. There are other ways they could theoretically make this happen.

One of those options would be to S&T JR Smith and maybe Sasha Kahn. That would seem a more likely scenario than Andy being shown the door at this stage of his career and with LeBron being one of his best friends.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'd be stunned if Andy were involved in this deal. I think that is just Windy prognosticating how it might work, money-wise. There are other ways they could theoretically make this happen.

One of those options would be to S&T JR Smith and maybe Sasha Kahn. That would seem a more likely scenario than Andy being shown the door at this stage of his career and with LeBron being one of his best friends.

Just read Andy/Haywood

[bballnoob1192]

lebron literally destroying his competition out east. he's just breaking teams up and softening them for the playoffs.

[Fire Colangelo]

Demar Derozan can be the Cavaliers Iguodala.

The ****.

I'm pretty sure we can get more than expiring contracts and late picks for a 25 year old all starter caliber shooting guard.

Not to mention Demar's skill set really overlaps with Kyrie and LeBron, he needs the ball to be effective and there's only one ball to share and he's a terrible spot up shooter...

[BallsOut]

PG: Kyrie Irving (16 mill) | Matthew Delladova (5 mill)
SG: Joe Johnson (20 mill) | JR Smith (13 mill)
SF: Lebron James (20 mill) | Iman Shumpert (10 mill)
PF: Kevin Love (20 mill) | Tristan Thompson (16 mill) | David West (3 mill)
C: Timofey Mozgov (5 mill) | Anderson Verajao (10 mill)

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2015-16 East All Star starters :bowdown:

138 mill payroll + taxes :applause:

[Nash]

damn dan gilbert really wants to pay up

[Kingwillball]

Will be interesting to see how final cavs roster shakes out

[RedBlackAttack]

PG: Kyrie Irving (16 mill) | Matthew Delladova (5 mill)
SG: Joe Johnson (20 mill) | JR Smith (13 mill)
SF: Lebron James (20 mill) | Iman Shumpert (10 mill)
PF: Kevin Love (20 mill) | Tristan Thompson (16 mill) | David West (3 mill)
C: Timofey Mozgov (5 mill) | Anderson Verajao (10 mill)

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2015-16 East All Star starters :bowdown:

138 mill payroll + taxes :applause:
If this deal went down (and it is a major "if"), I'd guess JJ would backup LeBron and play a lot of the 3. Shumpert would remain the starter, imo.

I'd also guess JR Smith would be going to Brooklyn in a S&T.

[GIF REACTION]

PG: Kyrie Irving (16 mill) | Matthew Delladova (5 mill)
SG: Joe Johnson (20 mill) | JR Smith (13 mill)
SF: Lebron James (20 mill) | Iman Shumpert (10 mill)
PF: Kevin Love (20 mill) | Tristan Thompson (16 mill) | David West (3 mill)
C: Timofey Mozgov (5 mill) | Anderson Verajao (10 mill)

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2015-16 East All Star starters :bowdown:

138 mill payroll + taxes :applause:
That would be the greatest collaboration of talent in NBA history

So many line up options

[niko]

I'd be stunned if Andy were involved in this deal. I think that is just Windy prognosticating how it might work, money-wise. There are other ways they could theoretically make this happen.

One of those options would be to S&T JR Smith and maybe Sasha Kahn. That would seem a more likely scenario than Andy being shown the door at this stage of his career and with LeBron being one of his best friends.
You think the Nets want to take on money and bring in JR Smith? That would be hilarious but no.

Hate this from the Nets perspective. This is a move about (100%) saving Prokky money. Nothing else. If you're worried about the billionaire and his finances, then yes, this is a kick ass move.

[BallsOut]

If this deal went down (and it is a major "if"), I'd guess JJ would backup LeBron and play a lot of the 3. Shumpert would remain the starter, imo.

I'd also guess JR Smith would be going to Brooklyn in a S&T.

Why would Joe Johnson who is making 25 mill next season come off the bench behind a scrub like Iman Shumpert? :oldlol:

Also, per the new CBA I don't think you can S&T players that are unrestricted free agents anymore.

[Donkey4trading]

getting JJ would be nice, but we still have so many weakness's we still need help with

[JerrySeinfeld]

They could get West and Joe Johnson and LeBron groupies would still act like he doesn't have enough help.

[RedBlackAttack]

Why would Joe Johnson who is making 25 mill next season come off the bench behind a scrub like Iman Shumpert? :oldlol:

Also, per the new CBA I don't think you can S&T players that are unrestricted free agents anymore.
Do you think the amount of money Johnson is making on a contract signed five years ago is going to have an impact on how the Cavs' coaches choose to use him?

They need a playmaker off the bench. That would be his role.

Also, you can S&T free agents. The Cavs couldn't receive a player via S&T because they are over the cap, but they can send them out.

[Rose'sACL]

Both Magic and Bird get a free pass for having super stacked teams through their NBA Career.

And it took a stacked team like '83 Sixers, and '89" Pistons to beat them in a playoffs series.
Shut up you fcking idiot.
Go make something of your life.

[RedBlackAttack]

You think the Nets want to take on money and bring in JR Smith? That would be hilarious but no.

Hate this from the Nets perspective. This is a move about (100%) saving Prokky money. Nothing else. If you're worried about the billionaire and his finances, then yes, this is a kick ass move.
...but they would want Varejao?

This would be strictly a salary-saving move.

[BallsOut]

Please add David West now.

Please add JJ and West...it would comical.

Lebron needs all the help he can get. Dude can't win sh1t without 3 superstar players in their primes on his team. :oldlol:

[niko]

...but they would want Varejao?

This would be strictly a salary-saving move.
The Nets are very concerned about finances and want to save money. Essentially they'd rather be (even without a pick) miss the playoffs and save money than fringe playoff contender and lose money.

[Lebron23]

Lebron needs all the help he can get. Dude can't win sh1t without 3 superstar players in their primes on his team. :oldlol:


Lebron's 2nd and 3rd best player in the finals were Thompson, and Mozgov.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[niko]

Lebron's 2nd and 3rd best player in the finals were Thompson, and Mozgov.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
I don't get that criticism coming off that final. Lebron should be more like Curry and not play on a stacked team. :facepalm

[BallsOut]

Lebron's 2nd and 3rd best player in the finals were Thompson, and Mozgov.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Cavs don't make the finals without Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson :no:

[J Shuttlesworth]

I don't get that criticism coming off that final. Lebron should be more like Curry and not play on a stacked team. :facepalm
Lol Curry was playing with a guy who was an all star, and barely got any playoff minutes. That's how stacked his team was.

[Lebron23]

I hope they don't trade Andy, but if they trade Andy. I hope Rakeem Christmas make it into the Cavaliers roster.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/r0ARqcqrButVXqJko0FCYO8kjI8=/0x41:4167x2819/730x487/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45779654/usa-today-8403494.0.jpg

[JerrySeinfeld]

I hope they don't trade Andy, but if they trade Andy. I hope Rakeem Christmas make it into the Cavaliers roster.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/r0ARqcqrButVXqJko0FCYO8kjI8=/0x41:4167x2819/730x487/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45779654/usa-today-8403494.0.jpg

looks kinda like lebron w/o the HGH

[RedBlackAttack]

So, let's say Windhorst's report is accurate and Varejao would be involved in the deal. That would absolutely mean David West is in the bag.

I believe that would also mean JR Smith comes back.

Here would be your 2015-16 Cavaliers:

PG: Kyrie Irving - Matthew Dellavedova
SG: Iman Shumpert - JR Smith
SF: LeBron James - Joe Johnson
PF: Kevin Love - David West
C: Timofey Mozgov - Tristan Thompson

:wtf:

[DukeDelonte13]

Windhorst.


the constant windhorst bashing by cavs fans is embarrassing.

The guy is a native cavs fan. He's more on point than any beat writer the cavs currently have. Jason Llyod echoes the same stuff Windy says. Shumpert actually called out Haynes on twitter. Amico just throws stuff at the wall.

Guy says a few negative things here and there and all of a sudden he's an assh*le. Forget all the praise he's given Gilbert, Griffen, Blatt, the fans, etc. Forget the fact that he actually engages with the cavs fan base while the other beat writers don't. The Llyod-Haynes-Fedor (fedor has the bball IQ and exp. of a 5 year old) group actively and currently bashed Blatt all year while Windy continually praised him.

He works for ESPN and he's said a few negative things about the cavs so he's an ass. :wtf:

I just don't get it.

[Lebron23]

So, let's say Windhorst's report is accurate and Varejao would be involved in the deal. That would absolutely mean David West is in the bag.

I believe that would also mean JR Smith comes back.

Here would be your 2015-16 Cavaliers:

PG: Kyrie Irving - Matthew Dellavedova
SG: Iman Shumpert - JR Smith
SF: LeBron James - Joe Johnson
PF: Kevin Love - David West
C: Timofey Mozgov - Tristan Thompson

:wtf:


On papers they are a much better team than the 2012 Miami Heat. 2012 Heat > 2013 Heat.

I hope no more injuries for Love and Irving. And Lebron needs to work on his midrange jumper, and 3 points shooting.

[Nash]

So, let's say Windhorst's report is accurate and Varejao would be involved in the deal. That would absolutely mean David West is in the bag.

I believe that would also mean JR Smith comes back.

Here would be your 2015-16 Cavaliers:

PG: Kyrie Irving - Matthew Dellavedova
SG: Iman Shumpert - JR Smith
SF: LeBron James - Joe Johnson
PF: Kevin Love - David West
C: Timofey Mozgov - Tristan Thompson

:wtf:
trade JR, I do want to see Joe Harris in the rotation. I think he can develop into a good player in this league.

[Duderonomy]

I know rba says they can sign everyone but it could potentially cost Gilbert close to $300 mil http://wfny.shoutitoutdesign.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/IMG_3626-2.gif

[Uncle Drew]

He works for ESPN and he's said a few negative things about the cavs so he's an ass. :wtf:
A few... Come on bro. The whole Kyrie contract saga alone is enough to ban him from Ohio tbqh.

[JerrySeinfeld]

So, let's say Windhorst's report is accurate and Varejao would be involved in the deal. That would absolutely mean David West is in the bag.

I believe that would also mean JR Smith comes back.

Here would be your 2015-16 Cavaliers:

PG: Kyrie Irving - Matthew Dellavedova
SG: Iman Shumpert - JR Smith
SF: LeBron James - Joe Johnson
PF: Kevin Love - David West
C: Timofey Mozgov - Tristan Thompson

:wtf:

That team should win 75-80 games in the Eastern Conference

[Lebron23]

looks kinda like lebron w/o the HGH


I like his work ethic. And he seems like a good kid.

[Lebron23]

I know rba says they can sign everyone but it could potentially cost Gilbert cost to $300 mil http://wfny.shoutitoutdesign.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/IMG_3626-2.gif


He's a billionaire. He has plenty of business ventures, and he owns a casino.

[RedBlackAttack]

the constant windhorst bashing by cavs fans is embarrassing.

The guy is a native cavs fan. He's more on point than any beat writer the cavs currently have. Jason Llyod echoes the same stuff Windy says. Shumpert actually called out Haynes on twitter. Amico just throws stuff at the wall.

Guy says a few negative things here and there and all of a sudden he's an assh*le. Forget all the praise he's given Gilbert, Griffen, Blatt, the fans, etc. Forget the fact that he actually engages with the cavs fan base while the other beat writers don't. The Llyod-Haynes-Fedor (fedor has the bball IQ and exp. of a 5 year old) group actively and currently bashed Blatt all year while Windy continually praised him.

He works for ESPN and he's said a few negative things about the cavs so he's an ass. :wtf:

I just don't get it.

Wait, didn't he say LeBron would never even consider coming back here, especially with Kyrie Irving on the roster? He said we'd need to trade Kyrie first. I'm guessing he just completely pulled that one out of his ass, assuming he'd never have to deal with correcting himself because LeBron wouldn't come back. Whoops.

That strange little episode has not been addressed by Windhorst again. That's another thing that bugs me about him. He never admits when he is wrong about anything. He just moves right along to his next little talking point.


How about his publicly challenging Kyrie to sign a full max contract mid-season 2014? He said that Kyrie had one foot out the door and that his family hated everything about Cleveland and were very vocal about it.

That was his worst offense, because he threw all of that out there the day of a very important regular season game against the Hawks in 2014. We were on their heels in the EC playoff race late in the season and that was a swing game.

All of a sudden, Windy throws it out there that Kyrie isn't going to re-sign, which of course made headlines everywhere, and the game became secondary. It made national headlines and the team played distracted... got blown out.

Later that night, Irving called Windhorst out via Twitter, basically calling him a liar... then proved it a few months later when he was the first player to re-sign, and he did so for the full max.

Then, all season long this year, he stoked the fires of the "Love is leaving" narrative, even though Kevin continually and very openly said he was coming back. He almost single-handedly kept that story alive for long stretches of the season, mostly on podcasts... which every other reporter picked up on and ran with.

He hasn't broken anything Cavs related since the Grant regime was shown the door. I'm guessing that's where his negativity comes from. He definitely was close with that front office and he still praises Grant every chance he gets. When Griffin took over, Windy no longer was plugged in.

Jason Lloyd hasn't been even close to as bad as Windy over the last couple of years, but he has contributed to some of the negativity. The difference is, when Windy says something, it is immediately picked up by the national media and becomes a talking point for every sports show in America.

That wouldn't be a bad thing if he were right occasionally. In general, he seems to just feed into negativity.

[Real14]

Mr. 2/6 needs more help??:biggums:

[Lakers2877]

ala Golden State Warriors??? After watching LeBron played with a bunch of above average players in the Finals due to the injuries of Love and Irving. I want this Cavaliers to be much more deeper in the playoffs.
The Warriors primarily built their core through the draft. Not a real good comparison

[Magic 32]

Lebron doesn't want to compete for a championship.

He wants a sure thing.

It's been like that for 5 years now and it will continue for the rest of the decade.

[dubeta]

Lebron doesn't want to compete for a championship.

He wants a sure thing.

It's been like that for 5 years now and it will continue for the rest of the decade.

Kobe doesnt want to compete for a championship, he wants to be the most overpaid player (relative to performance) in NBA history. If he cant get carried, getting paid is all that matters.

[icewill36]

varajeo sucks.... mozgov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

good pickup for the cavs if it happens. i guess it means JR wont be back though

[atljonesbro]

Le911INeedHelp

[icewill36]

Lebron doesn't want to compete for a championship.

He wants a sure thing.

It's been like that for 5 years now and it will continue for the rest of the decade.

being on the heat was hardly a sure thing. smallest frontline, and worst rebounding team in the league. typically you dont win if you dont win on the glass

[BallsOut]

LeBeta needs even more help than Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Tristan Thompson :oldlol:

[Real14]

Le911INeedHelp
Word :lol

[Magic 32]

being on the heat was hardly a sure thing. smallest frontline, and worst rebounding team in the league. typically you dont win if you dont win on the glass

It was not a sure thing at the end, but that was the reason Lebron came in the first place.

He left the second it's became less than absolute certain.

[Uncle Drew]

I'd doubt LeBron would be fine with trading Andy.

[tpols]

That team should win 75-80 games in the Eastern Conference

:oldlol:

This is getting ridiculous.. prime lebron, prime kyrie, prime rodman (ahem thomspon), prime love.. with 7 foot rim protection DPoY level SG defense and now joe cool stepping into a 2013 ray allen mode.:biggums:


This man is pulling out all the breaks to prevent 2/7 :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

:oldlol:

This is getting ridiculous.. prime lebron, prime kyrie, prime rodman (ahem thomspon), prime love.. with 7 foot rim protection DPoY level SG defense and now joe cool stepping into a 2013 ray allen mode.:biggums:


This man is pulling out all the breaks to prevent 2/7 :lol
Kyrie is 23 and Tristan is 24. I highly doubt either of those guys are in their respective primes yet.

And, the Cavs should be doing everything in their power to build the best team possible in an effort to win a title. I guess they should just stop building so trolls wouldn't be able to ridicule one of their players online?

[Cocaine80s]

Would JR and Johnson work together though?

[dubeta]

:oldlol:

This is getting ridiculous.. prime lebron, prime kyrie, prime rodman (ahem thomspon), prime love.. with 7 foot rim protection DPoY level SG defense and now joe cool stepping into a 2013 ray allen mode.:biggums:


This man is pulling out all the breaks to prevent 2/7 :lol



So still only 2 all-stars though (LeBron and Kyrie)


What does that make the 4 all-star Hawks? The NBA Dream Team?

[tpols]

Kyrie is 23 and Tristan is 24. I highly doubt either of those guys are in their respective primes yet.

And, the Cavs should be doing everything in their power to build the best team possible in an effort to win a title. I guess they should stop so trolls wouldn't be able to ridicule one of their players online?

They can build their team stacked to the sky for all I care.. it will only make another loss that much more funny.

[DMAVS41]

Kyrie is 23 and Tristan is 24. I highly doubt either of those guys are in their respective primes yet.

And, the Cavs should be doing everything in their power to build the best team possible in an effort to win a title. I guess they should just stop building so trolls wouldn't be able to ridicule one of their players online?

I can assure you trolls love this.

Remember...you are talking to someone that said the Cavs were better without Kyrie and Love...so I'm confused as to why he's listing them as part of a stacked team.

Apparently they make a team worse when the play...:confusedshrug:


Also, trolls are the ones liking this the most.

If they lose...Lebron loses with "the most stacked team ever"...if they win...he wins with "the most stacked team ever"

This is tpols and other trolls "wet dream to end all wet dreams" scenario for Lebron.


LOL...see above response just as I was typing this...ROFL

[warriorfan]

still needs more help imo

[Xoush]

Hmm I don't think that this is enough.
They should try and trade for Dwight Howard or another top tier center.

[Foster5k]

No matter how stacked the team gets, LeBron will somehow get all the credit for if/when they win.

[BallsOut]

Cavs should trade for Roy Hibbert too

PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Joe Johnson
SF: Lebron James
PF: Kevin Love
C: Roy Hibbert

:eek: :eek: :biggums:

[Xoush]

No matter how stacked the team gets, LeBron will somehow get all the credit for if/when they win.


OFC he should, if he is the GOAT at something it surely is at recruiting.

[Straight_Ballin]

:oldlol:

This is getting ridiculous.. prime lebron, prime kyrie, prime rodman (ahem thomspon), prime love.. with 7 foot rim protection DPoY level SG defense and now joe cool stepping into a 2013 ray allen mode.:biggums:


This man is pulling out all the breaks to prevent 2/7 :lol

And it really is a shame because this guy said that HE was going to bring a ring to Cleveland and every last fan is just shaking their head because with a stacked cast such as that, no one will be impressed and it will be just another *.

I guess for Cleveland however a * is better than nothing.

[christian1923]

Sheesh. This team could win 60 games without LBJ

[icewill36]

It was not a sure thing at the end, but that was the reason Lebron came in the first place.

He left the second it's became less than absolute certain.

d wade can no longer play a full season. he didnt want to have to put his body through keeping that team afloat at this stage in his career. he has a ton of mileage on his body already. there is nothing wrong with what he did.

[tpols]

I can assure you trolls love this.

Remember...you are talking to someone that said the Cavs were better without Kyrie and Love...so I'm confused as to why he's listing them as part of a stacked team.

Apparently they make a team worse when the play...:confusedshrug:


Also, trolls are the ones liking this the most.

If they lose...Lebron loses with "the most stacked team ever"...if they win...he wins with "the most stacked team ever"

This is tpols and other trolls "wet dream to end all wet dreams" scenario for Lebron.


LOL...see above response just as I was typing this...ROFL

You goading son of a b!tch.. you got me with your false accusations.


I said if Andy v and love didn't get hurt the cavs wouldnt have gone as far as they did because the beyond elite defense and rebounding mozgov and thomspon provided as starters was more valuable than the repetitive offensive skillset love/Andy bring which, especially in loves case, is basically just spot up shooting and outlet passing.

I like the defense and rebounding of mozzy and thompson way more than what love and Andy bring to the team.. Cavs we're the best defensive team in the playoffs with the subs in and nothing near that with the original frontcourt.

Losing kyrie of course was a negative.. I said delly was a very nice short term manuever which he was for locking up steph til he exhausted. Cavs lost the only game with kyrie in anyways so I stand by cavs losing in 6 with kyrie still in.. especially because we would've never seen the the game 2 and 3 dropoff we saw from steph without the delly curveball.

Love starting over thomspon would've let draygod get a fast start instead of sucking ass to start the series too imo


You got absolutely roasted in that thread.:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Sheesh. This team could win 60 games without LBJ

Do you know how many and what kind of teams in NBA history win 60 games? Sheesh you people have shit coming out of your mouth

[Lebron23]

Would JR and Johnson work together though?


Johnson is a natural small forward.

[Lebron23]

Do you know how many and what kind of teams in NBA history win 60 games? Sheesh you people have shit coming out of your mouth


Here comes the kobe stans overrating LBJ's casts. Without LeBron they are a 45-46 wins in the east if Love and Irving are healthy.

[DMAVS41]

You goading son of a b!tch.. you got me with your false accusations.


I said if Andy v and love didn't get hurt the cavs wouldnt have gone as far as they did because the beyond elite defense and rebounding mozgov and thomspon provided as starters was more valuable than the repetitive offensive skillset love/Andy bring which, especially in loves case, is basically just spot up shooting and outlet passing.

I like the defense and rebounding of mozzy and thompson way more than what love and Andy bring to the team.. Cavs we're the best defensive team in the playoffs with the subs in and nothing near that with the original frontcourt.

Losing kyrie of course was a negative.. I said delly was a very nice short term manuever which he was for locking up steph til he exhausted. Cavs lost the only game with kyrie in anyways so I stand by cavs losing in 6 with kyrie still in.. especially because we would've never seen the the game 2 and 3 dropoff we saw from steph without the delly curveball.

Love staring over thomspon would've let day good get a fast start instead of sucking ass to start the series too imo


You got absolutely roasted in that thread.:oldlol:

LOL....

Wait so you are actually on board with the "Cavs lose to the Hawks" if Love was healthy idea? I can only assume that is what you are saying when you say they wouldn't have gone as far....

Anyway...it's been said before. Any notion that the Cavs were/are better without Love/Andy/Kyrie or whatever shit you are talking about is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

You and PG look like the biggest morons in the world after that thread....and especially after that finals series. Somehow that wasn't enough to slap some sense into you.

[Lebron23]

LOL....

Wait so you are actually on board with the "Cavs lose to the Hawks" if Love was healthy idea? I can only assume that is what you are saying when you say they wouldn't have gone as far....

Anyway...it's been said before. Any notion that the Cavs were/are better without Love/Andy/Kyrie or whatever shit you are talking about is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

You and PG look like the biggest morons in the world after that thread....and especially after that finals series. Somehow that wasn't enough to slap some sense into you.


http://images.rapgenius.com/dz9y0cr73xyvzi77jw0u0cw5m.1000x650x1.jpg

[tpols]

LOL....

Wait so you are actually on board with the "Cavs lose to the Hawks" if Love was healthy idea? I can only assume that is what you are saying when you say they wouldn't have gone as far....

Anyway...it's been said before. Any notion that the Cavs were/are better without Love/Andy/Kyrie or whatever shit you are talking about is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

You and PG look like the biggest morons in the world after that thread....and especially after that finals series. Somehow that wasn't enough to slap some sense into you.

Lose to the hawks? :lol nah never said that. I said the bulls since it was a close series and thompson absolutely manhandled the frontcourt in a way love never could. Not just about stats.. Thompson bangs and moves bodies. Love is a cheap rebounder and defender. wouldn't expect you to understand in game context doe.

[christian1923]

Do you know how many and what kind of teams in NBA history win 60 games? Sheesh you people have shit coming out of your mouth
The Warriors just did it and they aren't THAT much more talented.

[DMAVS41]

Lose to the hawks? :lol nah never said that. I said the bulls since it was a close series and thompson absolutely manhandled the frontcourt in a way love never could. Not just about stats.. Thompson bangs and moves bodies. Love is a cheap rebounder.. wouldn't expect you to understand in game context doe.

Oh...my bad. The Bulls...they would have lost to the Bulls if their team was 100%.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[christian1923]

Here comes the kobe stans overrating LBJ's casts. Without LeBron they are a 45-46 wins in the east if Love and Irving are healthy.
45 wins? :no:

[tpols]

Oh...my bad. The Bulls...they would have lost to the Bulls if their team was 100%.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


If love is 100 and so is pau ?

Oh boy.. :lol

[DMAVS41]

If love is 100 and so is pau ?

Oh boy.. :lol

The Bulls kind of sucked man...no way in hell they beat a 100% Cavs team. the same Cavs team that was on a 37-9 run leading up to the Bulls series.

You under-rate that Cavs team so much it's absurd.

Losing to an inept Bulls team? No...sorry.

[ArbitraryWater]

The Warriors just did it and they aren't THAT much more talented.

Then what actually was the Cavs record without LeBron last year? 1-9?

[christian1923]

Then what actually was the Cavs record without LeBron last year? 1-9?
They'd look better if they had a real system.

It's hard to play in the Lebron ball system when Lebron is on vacation.

[Lebron23]

And the thing that I like about Joe's game is that he can pass, rebound, and score. Cavs can use his playmaking ability when Irving and Bron are sitting on the bench.

Delly, Smith, Johnson, West, and Thompson as their 2nd unit.

[brownmamba00]

lebron needs more help jj won't be enough

[oh the horror]

Wasn't Dan Gilbert one of the owners basically crying about the Lakers attempting to get Chris Paul?


But it's more than okay when his team puts together the all-star team in the east?

[dubeta]

Wasn't Dan Gilbert one of the owners basically crying about the Lakers attempting to get Chris Paul?


But it's more than okay when his team puts together the all-star team in the east?

Only 2 all stars doe (bron and kyrie)


Hawks have 4 fyi

[RedBlackAttack]

Wasn't Dan Gilbert one of the owners basically crying about the Lakers attempting to get Chris Paul?


But it's more than okay when his team puts together the all-star team in the east?
He was definitely one of a handful of owners that pushed for a more comprehensive cap on the new CBA, and more serious taxes for repeat luxury tax offenders. Any team in the league can do exactly what the Cavs are doing if players want to go there, they have assets to trade for other guys and their owner will pay whatever it takes, including going above and beyond the luxury tax.

I mean, Joe Johnson has a $25 million salary for this coming season. There aren't a lot of teams who want to take that on. Gilbert just happens to not care about throwing money around.

I still think we are working under a much better CBA now than the one prior to 2011.

[DMAVS41]

He was definitely one of a handful of owners that pushed for a more comprehensive cap on the new CBA, and more serious taxes for repeat luxury tax offenders. Any team in the league can do exactly what the Cavs are doing if players want to go there, they have assets to trade for other guys and their owner will pay whatever it takes, including going above and beyond the luxury tax.

I mean, Joe Johnson has a $25 million salary for this coming season. There aren't a lot of teams who want to take that on. Gilbert just happens to not care about throwing money around.

I still think we are working under a much better CBA now than the one prior to 2011.

Definitely this CBA is much better than the old one as far as the cap/salary stuff.

I still think the best model would be no limit on player earnings and a hard cap for each team. But that would actually take people being really smart to not completely shit the bed.

Can't really get on Gilbert here...he's taking a huge financial hit here that very few other owners currently have shown a willingness to do.

[RedBlackAttack]

And it really is a shame because this guy said that HE was going to bring a ring to Cleveland and every last fan is just shaking their head because with a stacked cast such as that, no one will be impressed and it will be just another *.

I guess for Cleveland however a * is better than nothing.
How is it an * for the Cavaliers and their fans if they win a title with a really good team? :oldlol:

Kindly explain that logic. Keep in mind, I'm a Cavs fan and don't care about whatever petty player-fan fights you're having. The city of Cleveland should appreciate a championship less if they get it while having a great team? How's that work? Isn't building a great team the goal of every franchise?

[Meticode]

Who is Straight_Ballin's favorite team?

[gilalizard]

Le911INeedHelp

:roll:

Cavs buying a chip.

[dubeta]

Who is Straight_Ballin's favorite team?

Whatever team faces Bron in the finals

#therentistrulyfree

[Bandito]

Wow Lebron will have 4 all stars if that trade goes through? The team should be called the Cavaliers all stars. How much help does Lecannotwinbyhimself needs? Does he need papa Wade also?

[SpecialQue]

As a basketball fan I hate this, but really, why the hell wouldn't any team try to sign as many great players as they possibly could? And hell, since two of their best players went down before/in the finals, no wonder these fools are trying pick up as many all stars as they can get. Who knows how many are going to survive the season with that Cavs curse in full effect?

[Prime_Shaq]

Lebron's 2nd and 3rd best player in the finals were Thompson, and Mozgov.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Yeah because they are sure to get injured again right :rolleyes:

[coin24]

Not enough help. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

They'd look better if they had a real system.

It's hard to play in the Lebron ball system when Lebron is on vacation.

oh, forgot.. this is the easiest go-to copout answer in ISH history lol..

[Hey Yo]

As a basketball fan I hate this, but really, why the hell wouldn't any team try to sign as many great players as they possibly could? And hell, since two of their best players went down before/in the finals, no wonder these fools are trying pick up as many all stars as they can get. Who knows how many are going to survive the season with that Cavs curse in full effect?
"We have a winner ladies and gentlemen ...tell him what he's won, Johnny!!


which every GM is paid to do and what every owner in the league would love to happen.....if he's willing to fork out the cash and pay the penalty tax

[niko]

People are full of shit on the team building. San Antonio is stacking the deck but no one seems to care at all but Cleveland, they're evil. PLEASE. It's the same ****ing things, if one is ok, the other is ok.

[niko]

Definitely this CBA is much better than the old one as far as the cap/salary stuff.

I still think the best model would be no limit on player earnings and a hard cap for each team. But that would actually take people being really smart to not completely shit the bed.

Can't really get on Gilbert here...he's taking a huge financial hit here that very few other owners currently have shown a willingness to do.
A hard cap would mean that everytime we got a really good team it would get torn apart immediately after they won. That would absolutely suck. There would be no continuity at all.

[QuebecBaller]

Here's your 2016 All-Star game:

Cavs vs the rest of the league

[3ball]

i'll say the same thing i said when nash was traded to the lakers..

"he'll be nothing but a floor-spreader"

that's joe johnson's primary role on any new team he's lands on - his prime is long gone.. he's a dion waiters at this point.. a jr smith... he's really not an upgrade.

[FLDFSU]

Wasn't Dan Gilbert one of the owners basically crying about the Lakers attempting to get Chris Paul?


But it's more than okay when his team puts together the all-star team in the east?

Well, to be fair, Gilbert was crying because the Lakers would have gotten Paul AND reduced their tax load.

Gilbert wanted stars OR the extra income from tax that teams with the superstars would have to pay...

[I<3NBA]

wtf is this? Joe Johnson isn't good anymore. he needs the ball in his hands. So that's Lebron, Kyrie, and Joe Johnson all needing the ball to be effective. :facepalm

[Rose'sACL]

wtf is this? Joe Johnson isn't good anymore. he needs the ball in his hands. So that's Lebron, Kyrie, and Joe Johnson all needing the ball to be effective. :facepalm
why would Joe Johnson star. LeBron can play reduced minutes and cavs have some flexibility in case of injuries.

[Heavincent]

The East is hilariously unbalanced.

top 16 or gtfo

[BoutPractice]

Anyone remember Joe Johnson on the Suns? He wasn't always Iso Joe...

[Fallen Angel]

I wouldn't mind this. I feel JJ can be really entertaining in clutch situation, but the fact he's on such a boring team really detracts people from him.

Who cares anyway, Cleveland is gonna make the NBA Finals anyway. It'll be even more entertaining if they were to lose and ISH would lose their mind.

[Thunderfan86]

Dam, it seems like Joe Johnson has been making over 20 million a year for a long as time. :biggums:

[PickernRoller]

I heard a deal for Marc Gasol and Westbrook is also on the books for the Cavs. Decent off-the-bench help. I still think Lebron needs JJ Redick as a spot up shooter.

[PickernRoller]

Anyone remember Joe Johnson on the Suns? He wasn't always Iso Joe...

Yea I remember Kobe burning him worse than a welding torch.

[LakersFan626]

On papers they are a much better team than the 2012 Miami Heat. 2012 Heat > 2013 Heat.

I hope no more injuries for Love and Irving. And Lebron needs to work on his midrange jumper, and 3 points shooting.

2013 Heat had Ray Allen and the 27 game winning streak... beating the Spurs in 7 is actually more impressive in many ways than beating the Thunder in 5 is as well (Spurs had much better coaching and an actual offense other than ISO).

[GimmeThat]

what happens next, is the opposing playoff teams look for mismatches at those position to help take advantage from the size/age/mobility combination and confuse the coaching staff/personnel management on who to keep on the floor, what roles to assign in order to eliminate the mismatch.

when the Pistons beat the Lakers, they eliminated enough scoring opportunities, so that all they had to do in order to seize the victory was to simply capture enough high percentages open spaces.
(plus Karl Malone's injury)

when the Spurs beat the Cavs, their best utility defensive player was Delonte West, because the Cavs team had surrounded Lebron with a roster in which handicapped him from playing that role already.

[ArbitraryWater]

People are full of shit on the team building. San Antonio is stacking the deck but no one seems to care at all but Cleveland, they're evil. PLEASE. It's the same ****ing things, if one is ok, the other is ok.

yep.. instead you get retards like this


Wow Lebron will have 4 all stars if that trade goes through? The team should be called the Cavaliers all stars. How much help does Lecannotwinbyhimself needs? Does he need papa Wade also?

[BigTicket]

I don't like this trade. Joe Johnson is not that good anymore, and the Cavs would be giving up 3 years of Varejao for one year of Johnson, that does not look like an improvement to me.

On the other hand, it would eliminate the need to resign JR Smith, and Johnson's giant contract only has one year left, so could be worse.

If it does happen, I hope Johnson would be coming off the bench, since the Cavs could really use a high scoring 6th man. The starting lineup already has plenty of fire power with Lebron/Irving/Love, while the bench has almost none.

[niko]

I don't like this trade. Joe Johnson is not that good anymore, and the Cavs would be giving up 3 years of Varejao for one year of Johnson, that does not look like an improvement to me.

On the other hand, it would eliminate the need to resign JR Smith, and Johnson's giant contract only has one year left, so could be worse.

If it does happen, I hope Johnson would be coming off the bench, since the Cavs could really use a high scoring 6th man. The starting lineup already has plenty of fire power with Lebron/Irving/Love, while the bench has almost none.
3 years of Varajao is what exactly? 60 games combined? Maybe 1 playoff IF you're lucky?

[BigTicket]

I wonder how large the Cavs payroll will be next year, it's going to get really ridiculous if this deal happens. Maybe $120M or so before taxes ?

JJ ~ $25M
Lebron ~ $22M
Love ~ $20M
Irving ~ $15M
Thompson ~$15M
Shumpert ~$10M
Mozgov ~5M

etc.

After taxes it would get just absurd, $200M+. Gilbert is throwing around money like a drunk rapper at a strip club.

[toneloc103]

The Warriors primarily built their core through the draft. Not a real good comparison

gtfoh. they drafted curry, thompson and green. they cavs did draft LBJ kyrie and Tristan if you forgot..... NEXT

[Doranku]

How is it an * for the Cavaliers and their fans if they win a title with a really good team? :oldlol:

Kindly explain that logic. Keep in mind, I'm a Cavs fan and don't care about whatever petty player-fan fights you're having. The city of Cleveland should appreciate a championship less if they get it while having a great team? How's that work? Isn't building a great team the goal of every franchise?

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:


I just can't imagine what LeBron could be thinking if he is honestly considering this (which I sort of doubt he is). He has to realize and understand all of these issues that we have listed, right?

A championship would mean next to nothing with that lineup and I say that with all sincerity... Nothing for Miami... Nothing for Wade or Bosh and ABSOLUTELY nothing for LeBron... Nothing.

[DMAVS41]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:

Wow.

And this Cavs team, if healthy, is considerably more stacked than any of those Heat teams. LOL

[TheMarkMadsen]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:


Oh shit

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[oh the horror]

RedBlackAttack went from rational member here to cheering for the Cavs with drool coming out of his mouth and his pants below his ankles. Lost his god damn mind.

[West-Side]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:

That's probably the greatest come-back post ever on this forum.
You literally just buried one of the best posters to ever post on here.

RIP RedBlackAttack. :(

[Droid101]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:
Holy ****ing shit.

RBA dead. The end.

[kamil]

biopic about lebron's career
http://genderstudies.utah.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/thehelp.jpg

Someone needs to photoshop that to include LeBron*

[DMAVS41]

That's probably the greatest come-back post ever on this forum.
You literally just buried one of the best posters to ever post on here.

RIP RedBlackAttack. :(


LOL...not really.

It's just a fan being a fan. He was pissed about his franchise losing one of the GOAT type players.

Really not that big of a deal...it's just funny.

[SugarHill]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:
oh lawd

[STATUTORY]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:

damn dont do em like dat

[GIF REACTION]

People try blow this way out of proportion

It's not a big deal

We human beings aren't robots with a constant yes/no response to every scenario in the galaxy. Context and personal interconnectiveness is important. NOBODY has their agendas written in stone. It changes. All the time throughout life. Logics be damned when personal feelings are compromised.

Shame on you trolls.

[West-Side]

LOL...not really.

It's just a fan being a fan. He was pissed about his franchise losing one of the GOAT type players.

Really not that big of a deal...it's just funny.

Considering the context, it sure is man.
RBA is one of the more respected and level-headed posters on here; has been for a long ass time. He's actually very unbiased.

This shit was pure ether.

Hey Cleveland fans; we rock hoez, y'all rock fellas. :pimp:

[PleezeBelieve]

RBA has been a non-stop, excuse-making Cavs fan shill since like 2008.

It's been rather disgusting and the fact he has mod-status just amps it up even more

[atljonesbro]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:
Damn. Nothing he replys can ever save him from this.

[DMAVS41]

Considering the context, it sure is man.
RBA is one of the more respected and level-headed posters on here; has been for a long ass time. He's actually very unbiased.

This shit was pure ether.

Hey Cleveland fans; we rock hoez, y'all rock fellas. :pimp:


He wasn't very level headed about Lebron leaving...we all remember that though.

That isn't a surprising bump given people that were around here back then.

Fans are fans....we've all said incredibly stupid things when our emotions are high.

Great and hilarious bump though...classic

[GIF REACTION]

Here come the opportunists, ready to throw some dirt on the superior

Out from the shadows, and into the light

Nobody cares when you contradict yourself 10 times a day here

But when the superior does, it's news

Shame on the opportunists.

[oh the horror]

Honestly it is what it is. I'm sure the excitement of this all star squad coming together has him losing his head a bit. If they land Joe for basically players that won't be using in the rotation much then this team is absurdly talented

[oh the horror]

Here come the opportunists, ready to throw some dirt on the superior

Out from the shadows, and into the light

Nobody cares when you contradict yourself 10 times a day here

But when the superior does, it's news

Shame on the opportunists.





Here comes Doink the Clown to save the day

[GIF REACTION]

It's called a reality check, squirt.

[West-Side]

Here comes Doink the Clown to save the day

Doink the Clown died, just like RBA did.

[Doranku]

It's called a reality check, squirt.

The Kings suck. There's your reality check f@ggot

[DMAVS41]

The Kings suck. There's your reality check f@ggot

Haha. You are on fire today....:pimp:

[GIF REACTION]

I will LITERALLY bet my soul that The Kings will do better than the Lakers this season

My soul

[Megabox!]

yep.. instead you get retards like this
Typical inbred Kobe stan

[AirTupac]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:

http://media.giphy.com/media/nqRJTIwsBftG8/giphy.gif

[West-Side]

I will LITERALLY bet my soul that The Kings will do better than the Lakers this season
My soul

God knows you won't bet your brain cells, as you ain't got none.

[Jameerthefear]

Considering the context, it sure is man.
RBA is one of the more respected and level-headed posters on here; has been for a long ass time. He's actually very unbiased.

This shit was pure ether.

Hey Cleveland fans; we rock hoez, y'all rock fellas. :pimp:
:roll:

[Uncle Drew]

RBA has been a non-stop, excuse-making Cavs fan shill since like 2008.

It's been rather disgusting and the fact he has mod-status just amps it up even more
Dion Waiters.

[oh the horror]

Doink the Clown died, just like RBA did.





Zing!

[SugarHill]

Dion Waiters.
:oldlol:

[4 Inches]

Dear RBA
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rFv2dPxOUeQ/hqdefault.jpg

[Fallen Angel]

RBA treating those severe burns to his soul

[pegasus]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Heavincent]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cat.gif

[aj1987]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:
http://i.imgur.com/wC5IgeU.gif

[Cocaine80s]

RBA i think its time you ban these disrespectful coons

[Done_And_Done]

RBA i think its time you ban these disrespectful coons

WTF man lol :lol :lol

[Kingwillball]

RBA i think its time you ban these disrespectful coons

:cheers:

[BigNBAfan]

Wow... haven't seen a ether like that in a long time.

RBA is forever bitchmade

Just shows how he has all 3 inches of lebrons **** all up in his mouth.

[RedBlackAttack]

Is this the thread I'm supposedly avoiding? :oldlol:

Pages of people talking about me? K. Have fun, guys.

[DMAVS41]

Is this the thread I'm supposedly avoiding? :oldlol:

Pages of people talking about me? K. Have fun, guys.

The idiots aside...

Do you still feel that a title with a stacked team doesn't mean anything for the players and city?

[Droid101]

:cry:
I don't speak hypocritical douchebag, can anyone translate?

[Mirror]

http://i.imgur.com/wC5IgeU.gif

Awesome gif.

[atljonesbro]

Is this the thread I'm supposedly avoiding? :oldlol:

Pages of people talking about me? K. Have fun, guys.
You got exposed bro, man up and take your L

[Mirror]

Doink the Clown died, just like RBA did.

I forgot he died :(

[MP.Trey]

Awesome gif.
Fedor. :bowdown:

[RedBlackAttack]

The idiots aside...

Do you still feel that a title with a stacked team doesn't mean anything for the players and city?
I would have much rather won one with the core we were building prior to his re-arrival, if that's what you're asking. In a perfect world, he would have stayed in Miami and the Cavs would have eventually put together a team to beat him. But, it obviously isn't a perfect world.

He came back, so I have to deal with it.

As for a title meaning less in the "team up" era of basketball... those guys changed the way team building is done. It definitely felt wrong back in 2010 and I even touched on the topic of having mixed emotions about Love coming to the Cavs last offseason (if you recall, I was in favor of keeping Wiggins).

At the same time, the NBA landscape has completely changed since then. Now, you look at teams like the Rockets, Clippers, and now even the Spurs... and some teams that tried the "team up" model, but failed like the Knicks and Nets...

It is much more the norm now than it was four years ago.

The other thing is that I was bitter as f#ck.

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't speak hypocritical douchebag, can anyone translate?
Where does your hostility towards me come from? Or, are you just bored ... ? :confusedshrug:

I can't imagine anyone actually caring about any of this.

[DMAVS41]

I would have much rather won one with the core we were building prior to his re-arrival, if that's what you're asking. In a perfect world, he would have stayed in Miami and the Cavs would have eventually put together a team to beat him. But, it obviously isn't a perfect world.

He came back, so I have to deal with it.

As for a title meaning less in the "team up" era of basketball... those guys changed the way team building is done. It definitely felt wrong back in 2010 and I even touched on the topic of having mixed emotions about Love coming to the Cavs last offseason (if you recall, I was in favor of keeping Wiggins).

At the same time, the NBA landscape has completely changed since then. Now, you look at teams like the Rockets, Clippers, and now even the Spurs... and some teams that tried the "team up" model, but failed like the Knicks and Nets...

It is much more the norm now than it was four years ago.

The other thing is that I was bitter as f#ck.

Right.

I disagree with you on the "team up" thing as it's always been like that in terms of loaded teams...it was just the mechanics that changed.

I don't see a difference in the loaded Lakers or Sixers or Celtics of the 80's and what is going on now. It's just the mechanics that have changed.

But that is just a difference between us and we talked about that years ago.

For me, I don't care how a team is formed....what matters to me is that is a team were to reach the level of "so good it's completely unfair for the rest of the league"...

As that hasn't happened yet...all this stuff is more of the same imo.

What's funny though...is that who would have thought Cleveland would be the closest thing to that we've seen. This upcoming Cavs team wipes the floor with any of those Heat teams in terms of talent and depth. Can't say I ever saw that coming...LOL


As for the bold. Yep. Told people that earlier when this was going down. Not a big deal at all.

[Lebron23]

RBA stays winning.

RBA living rent free inside their heads.

[Rocketswin2013]

Where does your hostility towards me come from? Or, are you just bored ... ? :confusedshrug:

I can't imagine anyone actually caring about any of this.
That's kind of funny. :oldlol: I thought it was banter or some old feud from pre-2014 I didn't know about.

But he's just following you around trolling. :oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

RBA stays winning.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--abtphzbP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/196fuarapyylmgif.gif

[Mr. Jabbar]

but seriously, could this be the best ish comeback ever? rba was medically declared dead hours ago and he comes back swinging with subtle yet effective posts..impressive

[GIF REACTION]

Holy shiatsu.

RBA living rent free! He wins.

[RedBlackAttack]

[/B]

Right.

I disagree with you on the "team up" thing as it's always been like that in terms of loaded teams...it was just the mechanics that changed.

I don't see a difference in the loaded Lakers or Sixers or Celtics of the 80's and what is going on now. It's just the mechanics that have changed.

But that is just a difference between us and we talked about that years ago.

For me, I don't care how a team is formed....what matters to me is that is a team were to reach the level of "so good it's completely unfair for the rest of the league"...

As that hasn't happened yet...all this stuff is more of the same imo.


As for the bold. Yep. Told people that earlier when this was going down. Not a big deal at all.
I hated the way it went down and always will. I much preferred the league back when GMs and organizations had to rely on their own smarts, be it through the draft or crafty trades, than to just hope you happen to be lucky enough to be appealing to one of the five best players in the league at that time.

It has become much more of a player's league. The Cavs are fortunate right now to be one of the "right place, right time" franchises, partly because of things in their control (drafting Kyrie, TT, Waiters which became better pieces along with clearing cap space for four years) and things not in their control (LeBron wanting to come back and Love wanting to play with LeBron).

I preferred the previous model, but obviously I have no control over the league. This is the trend now. It isn't about whether or not there have always been stacked teams (there have), but how that stacking is being done... still don't like it and never will. But, five years later, other teams have followed the Miami model to success so the playing field has been evened a bit.


But, f#ck yeah I was bitter. I would have told you that at the time. I was pretty open about my dislike of LeBron and all that he stood for. That's why when this stuff always pops up in threads, I have to laugh. It isn't exactly a newsflash.

Yep, LeBron trolled the f#ck outta me.

[DMAVS41]

I hated the way it went down and always will. I much preferred the league back when GMs and organization had to rely on their own smarts, be it through the draft or crafty trades, than to just hope you happen to be lucky enough to be appealing to one of the five best players in the league at that time.

It has become much more of a player's league. The Cavs are fortunate right now to be one of the "right place, right time" franchises, partly because of things in their control (drafting Kyrie, TT, Waiters which became better pieces along with clearing cap space for four years) and things not in their control (LeBron wanting to come back and Love wanting to play with LeBron).

I preferred the previous model, but obviously I have no control over the league. This is the trend now. It isn't about whether or not there have always been stacked teams (there have), but how that stacking is being done... still don't like it and never will. But, five years later, other teams have followed the Miami model to success so the playing field has been evened a bit.


But, f#ck yeah I was bitter. I would have told you that at the time. I was pretty open about my dislike of LeBron and all that he stood for. That's why when this stuff always pops up in threads, I have to laugh. It isn't exactly a newsflash.

Yep, LeBron trolled the f#ck outta me.

:applause:

[Doranku]

What could you have possibly been bitter about? Read the first part of your post that I quoted. This was when LeBron to Miami had just started to pick up traction. You didn't even believe it was true that LeBron was actually considering Miami.

It would have been one thing if you said that right after he signed with Miami, but that wasn't the case. Free agency hadn't even started yet, hard to fathom that emotion was already clouding your judgment. That was simply how you felt about a super-team like the Heatles forming.

But now that it's YOUR team who is stacking the deck, all of that gets thrown out the window? Now it's cardinal sin to question the legitimacy of a title and the weight it would hold to a city? Because it's Cleveland right? :rolleyes:

You try to come off as super unbiased and rational, but deep down you're a homer just like the rest of this board. Why can't you just admit that instead of making excuses about the "landscape" of the NBA changing when stacked teams have been around since the beginning of time? Not to mention the money Gilbert is about to spend next year is unprecedented.

[jayfan]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cat.gif

That's funny.



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[RedBlackAttack]

What could you have possibly been bitter about? Read the first part of your post that I quoted. This was when LeBron to Miami had just started to pick up traction. You didn't even believe it was true that LeBron was actually considering Miami.

It would have been one thing if you said that right after he signed with Miami, but that wasn't the case. Free agency hadn't even started yet, hard to fathom that emotion was already clouding your judgment. That was simply how you felt about a super-team like the Heatles forming.

But now that it's YOUR team who is stacking the deck, all of that gets thrown out the window? Now it's cardinal sin to question the legitimacy of a title and the weight it would hold to a city? Because it's Cleveland right? :rolleyes:

You try to come off as super unbiased and rational, but deep down you're a homer just like the rest of this board. Why can't you just admit that instead of making excuses about the "landscape" of the NBA changing when stacked teams have been around since the beginning of time? Not to mention the money Gilbert is about to spend next year is unprecedented.
I didn't see the date on the post. I assumed it was after the moves went down. I'm sure I had lots of similar posts immediately following.

When talks of Wade and LeBron teaming up first started, I thought it was a stupid rumor and gave it very little credence. I vividly remember feeling that to my core. And, I thought anyone who bought into the rumors were idiots. Trust me, I believed every word that I posted.

I honestly couldn't grasp the notion of the two guys I considered to be the best in the league at the time having what I considered such little competitive drive that they'd team-up together.

I still think it is ridiculous, looking back on it. But obviously I ended up being the one who was way off. It went down and the NBA really hasn't been the same since.

There was the NBA pre-2010 and post-2010. Prior to that summer, the best players in their primes teaming up in free agency was almost unheard of. I mean, the Cavs and the Magic played for the ECF in 2009. The Magic's second best player was Hedo, maybe? The Cavs' second fiddle was Mo Williams.

The next year, an old Celtics team crushed everyone in the East. The best teams weren't even close to as good as they are now and the gap between the haves and have-nots wasn't as large.

Like I said, I preferred the old system, but unfortunately I don't have a say in the matter.

As for me being a homer... I thought that was pretty much common knowledge? I think any fan of any team is biased in some way. I'd still maintain that I'm a rational person. I don't see those two things as necessarily being mutually exclusive.

[ArbitraryWater]

obviously RBA was wrong about that title not meaning anything.. sure he admits that by now. When you're a hardcore fan emotions get the best off you at times, its just funny... nobody ended anyones career though, lol

[RedBlackAttack]

obviously RBA was wrong about that title not meaning anything.. sure he admits that by now. When you're a hardcore fan emotions get the best off you at times, its just funny... nobody ended anyones career though, lol
Now that I know it was before the whole thing even went down, the post in question makes even more sense for me. I remember saying some inflammatory stuff about LeBron and those Heat teams, but I don't recall saying that a title would be meaningless for their fans once it actually became real. I never had anything against Heat fans.

I do remember being baffled by the scenario when it first came up though. That wasn't me being bitter, now that I'm aware of the timeline of the post. It was genuine confusion at the direction the league was taking. I remember a few Heat fans even agreeing that the situation was bizarre... jrong in particular.

I didn't get really bitter until it actually happened, though. What you're seeing is pre-bitterness genuine confusion. :oldlol:

[BigNBAfan]

what im seeing is a hypocritical ******[

[RedBlackAttack]

what im seeing is a hypocritical ******[
And what I'm seeing is some p#ssy alt who lobs out insults and then scurries away like a little vag. Let's get one thing straight here... you and your buddies discussed me while I was at work -- like a normal grown up -- all day. Lots of laughing and carrying on between a bunch of nobodies and alts. Probably a grand total of two people behind all the pathetic accounts. Then, as soon as I get online, everyone is suddenly gone and the thread slowly dies.

Aside from your ladylike hit and run insult above, that is. Hypocrite or not, right or wrong.... I'll f#cking torch you in any debate. Whoever you are. Now go hide, b!tch.

[BallsOut]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:

and then...


What could you have possibly been bitter about? Read the first part of your post that I quoted. This was when LeBron to Miami had just started to pick up traction. You didn't even believe it was true that LeBron was actually considering Miami.

It would have been one thing if you said that right after he signed with Miami, but that wasn't the case. Free agency hadn't even started yet, hard to fathom that emotion was already clouding your judgment. That was simply how you felt about a super-team like the Heatles forming.

But now that it's YOUR team who is stacking the deck, all of that gets thrown out the window? Now it's cardinal sin to question the legitimacy of a title and the weight it would hold to a city? Because it's Cleveland right? :rolleyes:

You try to come off as super unbiased and rational, but deep down you're a homer just like the rest of this board. Why can't you just admit that instead of making excuses about the "landscape" of the NBA changing when stacked teams have been around since the beginning of time? Not to mention the money Gilbert is about to spend next year is unprecedented.

I have never seen such epic amounts of ether in a single thread:biggums: :bowdown:

[Black and White]

And what I'm seeing is some p#ssy alt who lobs out insults and then scurries away like a little vag. Let's get one thing straight here... you and your buddies discussed me while I was at work -- like a normal grown up -- all day. Lots of laughing and carrying on between a bunch of nobodies and alts. Probably a grand total of two people behind all the pathetic accounts. Then, as soon as I get online, everyone is suddenly gone and the thread slowly dies.

Aside from your womanly hit and run insult above, that is. Hypocrite or not, right or wrong.... I'll f#cking torch you in any debate. Whoever you are. Now go hide, b!tch.

Is this really necessary? Come on dude, it was pretty funny when you read over it, as a normal NBA fan, you always back your team no matter what, so thats what youre doing right? Even though it comes across as hypocritical.

Thats all you were called out on.

[RedBlackAttack]

Is this really necessary? Come on dude, it was pretty funny when you read over it, as a normal NBA fan, you always back your team no matter what, so thats what youre doing right? Even though it comes across as hypocritical.

Thats all you were called out on.
It was funny. And it was done. Then jackass up there decided to keep the insults going for no reason whatsoever. I responded in kind. Maybe the question is, were his/her comments really necessary?

[Black and White]

It was funny. And it was done. Then jackass up there decided to keep the insults going for no reason whatsoever. I responded in kind. Maybe the question is, were his/her comments really necessary?

Yea, sometimes it happens though I guess, does raise a good question though, this team is getting crazy stacked, do you think people would view a potential title in the same way?

[Mr. Jabbar]

Then, as soon as I get online, everyone is suddenly gone and the thread slowly dies.

alpha.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yea, sometimes it happens though I guess, does raise a good question though, this team is getting crazy stacked, do you think people would view a potential title in the same way?
I will wake up no differently the day after a Cleveland sports franchise title than I did the day prior. In the grand scheme, it will have little to no real impact on my life, whether they win it with a bunch of D-Leaguers or All-Stars. I had as much fun watching the 2011-14 Cavs as I did this past season. Maybe more.

The way in which a championship in Cleveland may be acheived isn't exactly something I control. Then again, this team hasn't won much of anything yet and likely won't be the favorite in 2016, so I think we are getting a litte ahead of ourselves.

[Rocketswin2013]

And what I'm seeing is some p#ssy alt who lobs out insults and then scurries away like a little vag. Let's get one thing straight here... you and your buddies discussed me while I was at work -- like a normal grown up -- all day. Lots of laughing and carrying on between a bunch of nobodies and alts. Probably a grand total of two people behind all the pathetic accounts. Then, as soon as I get online, everyone is suddenly gone and the thread slowly dies.

Aside from your ladylike hit and run insult above, that is. Hypocrite or not, right or wrong.... I'll f#cking torch you in any debate. Whoever you are. Now go hide, b!tch.
:applause:

[Cocaine80s]

Yea, sometimes it happens though I guess, does raise a good question though, this team is getting crazy stacked, do you think people would view a potential title in the same way?
the team isnt stacked at all compared to Spurs/Warriors

[chips93]

As for me being a homer... I thought that was pretty much common knowledge? I think any fan of any team is biased in some way. I'd still maintain that I'm a rational person. I don't see those two things as necessarily being mutually exclusive.

really? i think they are exactly opposite

being rational, or objective is when you have no biases

[Black and White]

I will wake up no differently the day after a Cleveland sports franchise title than I did the day prior. In the grand scheme, it will have little to no real impact on my life, whether they win it with a bunch of D-Leaguers or All-Stars. I had as much fun watching the 2011-14 Cavs as I did this past season. Maybe more.

The way in which a championship in Cleveland may be acheived isn't exactly something I control. Then again, this team hasn't won much of anything yet and likely won't be the favorite in 2016, so I think we are getting a litte ahead of ourselves.

I think you guys might be favourites going into next season, if not then probably the Spurs, is there any indication of the tax bill Gilberts going to have to fork out for a roster like this?

[Black and White]

the team isnt stacked at all compared to Spurs/Warriors

When you compare the Spurs and Cavs and factor in age, how many all-stars will the Spurs have realistically? 2?

Cavs have 3 all-star level players, they are stacked in their own right. They are on that Warriors/Spurs level.

[chips93]

Yea, sometimes it happens though I guess, does raise a good question though, this team is getting crazy stacked, do you think people would view a potential title in the same way?

its interesting, ive always thought the 'stacked' argument was stupid. a title is a title is a title.

but having said that, that game 2 win in the finals was, for me personally, the best cavs win i can remember, because it looked like they had no shot, but gutted it out.

winning a title would probably be more satisfying, if it felt that the team overcame long odds, but at this stage, with how bad this team was for four years, winning a title, no matter how it comes, is all i really care about.

[Black and White]

its interesting, ive always thought the 'stacked' argument was stupid. a title is a title is a title.

but having said that, that game 2 win in the finals was, for me personally, the best cavs win i can remember, because it looked like they had no shot, but gutted it out.

winning a title would probably be more satisfying, if it felt that the team overcame long odds, but at this stage, with how bad this team was for four years, winning a title, no matter how it comes, is all i really care about.

Yea fair point, to be honest, watching LeBron be super agressive this finals was really entertaining, we rarely see him play like that, but it just goes to show with the right chemistry you can achieve great things, like the game 2 on the road etc.

Either way, next season is going to be interesting for a number of reasons, the Spurs re-tooling, Warriors trying to defend, KD back on the Thunder and the Cavs coming back, can't wait.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I will wake up no differently the day after a Cleveland sports franchise title than I did the day prior. In the grand scheme, it will have little to no real impact on my life
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reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFotffi8A0

[RedBlackAttack]

really? i think they are exactly opposite

being rational, or objective is when you have no biases
Being "rational" is using reason or logic when evaluating a situation. Being "unbiased" is showing no prejudice one way or the other. I can see things from a Cavaliers perspective and still use reason and logic, which I do often on this board and others.

It doesn't mean that me being a Cavs fan doesn't impact my viewpoints when sometimes discussing that particular franchise. That is a bias, but not an irrational one. Plus, I often discuss topics having nothing to do with the Cavs.

So, yeah... I stand by that. Not mutually exclusive. Unless of course you think I'm irrational and unreasonable in postings on here, which would frankly surprise me.


its interesting, ive always thought the 'stacked' argument was stupid. a title is a title is a title.

but having said that, that game 2 win in the finals was, for me personally, the best cavs win i can remember, because it looked like they had no shot, but gutted it out.

winning a title would probably be more satisfying, if it felt that the team overcame long odds, but at this stage, with how bad this team was for four years, winning a title, no matter how it comes, is all i really care about.

We've actually had this conversation before. For me, the championship is not necessarily the only thing that matters. The journey factors into the satisfaction, at least for me. And, having a homegrown team of guys we drafted and cultivated win a title would be much more gratifying (and again, I speak only for myself) than a team full of mercenaries.

That being said, we don't have a "team full" of mercenaries. The Cavs drafted LeBron, Kyrie and Tristan. Plus, the NBA landscape is totally different now than it was pre-summer of 2010.

But, I'd be lying if I said winning with this team would ultimately be as satisfying as winning with -- say -- Kyrie, Wiggins, TT, etc.

That's water under the bridge at this point. No sense is trying to swim against the tide. I preferred the league as it was prior to 2010... some like it better now.

I'm still a Cavs fan, so :confusedshrug: .

[RedBlackAttack]

reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFotffi8A0
Except he was using it as a way to demean his detractors. I'm just stating it as a point of fact. I wish I had some stake in the organization, but alas, I don't think I'll be getting any bonuses or raises based on what the Cavaliers do in the playoffs.

I guess it is the same concept though.

[Droid101]

I preferred the league as it was prior to 2010... some like it better now.


You keep saying that, but really the only thing that changed is an all-time great player hopping teams a couple of times. Nobody else has. Heck, Curry is a lock to re-sign and Davis just signed an extension a year before he had to.

Bron is the only one skipping town for greener pastures since "2010 changed the league" or whatever. :rolleyes:


So anyway, I'm glad you agree that a title under these circumstances means absolutely nothing for any of the players involved, the city of Cleveland, and ESPECIALLY LeBron.

[Cocaine80s]

When you compare the Spurs and Cavs and factor in age, how many all-stars will the Spurs have realistically? 2?

Cavs have 3 all-star level players, they are stacked in their own right. They are on that Warriors/Spurs level.
Kevin love coming off shoulder surgery
Verajao coming off torn achilles
Kyrie with a fractured knee cap + tendinitis

That is reason enough to not have them on the level of Spurs/Warriors currently


If everyones healthy though then yea id agree with you

[chips93]

You keep saying that, but really the only thing that changed is an all-time great player hopping teams a couple of times. Nobody else has. Heck, Curry is a lock to re-sign and Davis just signed an extension a year before he had to.

Bron is the only one skipping town for greener pastures since "2010 changed the league" or whatever. :rolleyes:

dwight
cp3
melo
nash
dwill

off the top of my head, all superstars who moved in FA, or used FA as leverage to force a trade to their desired franchise.

[Cocaine80s]

You keep saying that, but really the only thing that changed is an all-time great player hopping teams a couple of times. Nobody else has. Heck, Curry is a lock to re-sign and Davis just signed an extension a year before he had to.

Bron is the only one skipping town for greener pastures since "2010 changed the league" or whatever. :rolleyes:


So anyway, I'm glad you agree that a title under these circumstances means absolutely nothing for any of the players involved, the city of Cleveland, and ESPECIALLY LeBron.
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[Droid101]

dwight
cp3
melo
nash
dwill

off the top of my head, all superstars who moved in FA, or used FA as leverage to force a trade to their desired franchise.
Dwight is the only person on that list who left in free agency after 2010 when their contract expired, period.

If you're trying to say aging star players never signed onto teams trying to get rings, then you haven't been watching this league for the past 30 years. Absolutely nothing changed in 2010 other than RBA's butt getting massively hurt.

[chips93]

Dwight is the only person on that list who left in free agency after 2010 when their contract expired, period.

leaving in FA, or saying 'im gonna leave in FA so trade me now' are one and the same

the distinction is entirely arbitrary

[Droid101]

leaving in FA, or saying 'im gonna leave in FA so trade me now' are one and the same

the distinction is entirely arbitrary
Been going on for 30+ years.

Tell me what changed in 2010?

[RedBlackAttack]

You keep saying that, but really the only thing that changed is an all-time great player hopping teams a couple of times. Nobody else has. Heck, Curry is a lock to re-sign and Davis just signed an extension a year before he had to.

Bron is the only one skipping town for greener pastures since "2010 changed the league" or whatever. :rolleyes:


So anyway, I'm glad you agree that a title under these circumstances means absolutely nothing for any of the players involved, the city of Cleveland, and ESPECIALLY LeBron.
At the present, there is one all-time great player (if we're talking all-time 10-15 players) in the league currently in his prime. So, that's sort of a red herring.

But certainly superstars and stars have been hopping around the league with regularity since 2010. Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, James Harden, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love, etc.

Then, you have the guys who tried to team-up but it didn't pan out like Carmelo-Amar'e and Joe Johnson-Deron Williams and the whole mess with the Lakers. At the time of those moves, they were considered NBA shaping moves.

As for AD and Curry re-signing after their rookie deals expired, that is no different than Kyrie re-signing with the Cavs last offseason. Hell, James did it after his rookie deal was up. We've never seen players as aggressive in free agency as has been the case in the last four years. It is unprecedented.

[Jameerthefear]

Dwight is the only person on that list who left in free agency after 2010 when their contract expired, period.

If you're trying to say aging star players never signed onto teams trying to get rings, then you haven't been watching this league for the past 30 years. Absolutely nothing changed in 2010 other than RBA's butt getting massively hurt.
dwight was traded. and not in 2010

[chips93]

Been going on for 30+ years.

Tell me what changed in 2010?

not to the extent that it does today

[RedBlackAttack]

not to the extent that it does today
Nor is it even close.

LeBron was technically traded, too. Fact is, he forced his way to Miami and a lot of players have since followed suit. The list grew this year, with arguably the best free agent in the class -- Aldridge -- going to an already championship-caliber team in his prime. This kind of forced movement was simply not even close to as widespread prior to Wade-James-Bosh.

There's no argument to the contrary, regardless of that particular poster's strange obsession with me.

[Rose'sACL]

Been going on for 30+ years.

Tell me what changed in 2010?
what changed in 2010 is that a player realized that he doesn't play for the lakers or Spurs FO and took matters into his own hands.

KG is a prime example of what i am talking about. Prime KG was very close to Duncan in terms of both stats and talent but didn't win anything in his prime. He won in 08 after getting to Celtics.

Now that LeBron has done it, players get less criticism for doing it because lebron got over the top criticism for a few years for doing so. Media and a lot of fans have realized that all situations and teams are not equal.

Why should Aldridge waste his prime in portland? he gave them 9 years like lebron gave cavs 7 years.

[sportjames23]

I will LITERALLY bet my soul that The Kings will do better than the Lakers this season

My soul


Bookmarked

[sportjames23]

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[sportjames23]

And what I'm seeing is some p#ssy alt who lobs out insults and then scurries away like a little vag. Let's get one thing straight here... you and your buddies discussed me while I was at work -- like a normal grown up -- all day. Lots of laughing and carrying on between a bunch of nobodies and alts. Probably a grand total of two people behind all the pathetic accounts. Then, as soon as I get online, everyone is suddenly gone and the thread slowly dies.

Aside from your ladylike hit and run insult above, that is. Hypocrite or not, right or wrong.... I'll f#cking torch you in any debate. Whoever you are. Now go hide, b!tch.


Damn, son. :eek:

[WolfGang]

what changed in 2010 is that a player realized that he doesn't play for the lakers or Spurs FO and took matters into his own hands.

KG is a prime example of what i am talking about. Prime KG was very close to Duncan in terms of both stats and talent but didn't win anything in his prime. He won in 08 after getting to Celtics.

Now that LeBron has done it, players get less criticism for doing it because lebron got over the top criticism for a few years for doing so. Media and a lot of fans have realized that all situations and teams are not equal.

Why should Aldridge waste his prime in portland? he gave them 9 years like lebron gave cavs 7 years.

This. Why sit there and lose to teams that were stacked instead of going to a stacked team yourself. I still believe if the Celtics didn't get Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen and Rondo together, Lebron wouldn't have left Cleveland. People tend to forget that the Celtics whole starting line up were all stars.

[Droid101]

what changed in 2010 is that a player realized that he doesn't play for the lakers or Spurs FO and took matters into his own hands.

KG is a prime example of what i am talking about. Prime KG was very close to Duncan in terms of both stats and talent but didn't win anything in his prime. He won in 08 after getting to Celtics.

Now that LeBron has done it, players get less criticism for doing it because lebron got over the top criticism for a few years for doing so. Media and a lot of fans have realized that all situations and teams are not equal.

Why should Aldridge waste his prime in portland? he gave them 9 years like lebron gave cavs 7 years.
Middling free agents have left teams they don't like in free agency for forever.

The best player in the league has never teamed up with two other top-5 players, ever; and it will never happen again. LeBeta made his legacy.

[DMAVS41]

Middling free agents have left teams they don't like in free agency for forever.

The best player in the league has never teamed up with two other top-5 players, ever; and it will never happen again. LeBeta made his legacy.

Chris Bosh has never been a top 5 player in the league. Just stop it...

[FKAri]

what changed in 2010 is that a player realized that he doesn't play for the lakers or Spurs FO and took matters into his own hands.

KG is a prime example of what i am talking about. Prime KG was very close to Duncan in terms of both stats and talent but didn't win anything in his prime. He won in 08 after getting to Celtics.

Now that LeBron has done it, players get less criticism for doing it because lebron got over the top criticism for a few years for doing so. Media and a lot of fans have realized that all situations and teams are not equal.

Why should Aldridge waste his prime in portland? he gave them 9 years like lebron gave cavs 7 years.

Pretty much agree with this.

[ImKobe]

This is what the Cavs desperately need. Veteran leadership in big games, an extra guy that can handle the rock and close out games when Kyrie's injured.

[Inferno]

Here buddy, I'll explain that logic with your own words from a few years ago:

:eek:


And what I'm seeing is some p#ssy alt who lobs out insults and then scurries away like a little vag. Let's get one thing straight here... you and your buddies discussed me while I was at work -- like a normal grown up -- all day. Lots of laughing and carrying on between a bunch of nobodies and alts. Probably a grand total of two people behind all the pathetic accounts. Then, as soon as I get online, everyone is suddenly gone and the thread slowly dies.

Aside from your ladylike hit and run insult above, that is. Hypocrite or not, right or wrong.... I'll f#cking torch you in any debate. Whoever you are. Now go hide, b!tch.

:eek: :eek:

[aj1987]

Heck, Curry is a lock to re-sign and Davis just signed an extension a year before he had to.
The Warriors are stacked AF and AD has been in the league for 3 seasons. Why the **** would they leave their teams now?

How ****ing stupid are you to call Bosh a top 5 player in the league in '10? LeBron, Wade, Kobe, CP3, Dwight, Dirk, Melo, KD, Pau, Deron, Rose, Duncan, etc.. Almost of of them were better (some arguably) than Bosh in '10. :facepalm

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Middling free agents have left teams they don't like in free agency for forever.

The best player in the league has never teamed up with two other top-5 players, ever; and it will never happen again. LeBeta made his legacy.
Top 5?

:facepalm

[West-Side]

dwight
cp3
melo
nash
dwill

off the top of my head, all superstars who moved in FA, or used FA as leverage to force a trade to their desired franchise.

CP3 was traded; Dwight is a bitch like LeBron, so is Melo.
Nash & DWill aren't superstars. :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Is this really necessary? Come on dude, it was pretty funny when you read over it, as a normal NBA fan, you always back your team no matter what, so thats what youre doing right? Even though it comes across as hypocritical.

Thats all you were called out on.

:biggums: :facepalm

what are you trying to be? internet police?

[Mirror]

CP3 was traded; Dwight is a bitch like LeBron, so is Melo.
Nash & DWill aren't superstars. :roll:

CP3 did use free agency as leverage to get traded though.

[ISHGoat]

if Bosh was a top 5 player then so was odom and gasol

[oh the horror]

ISH spin doctors at it again. At the time they were all raving about how easy it would be for the Heat when they formed like everyone else was.


Now in hindsight when they underachieve they want to downplay Lebrons help.


And now this team isn't loaded with talent according to some. The amount of pure bullshit here is disgusting


It is what it is. This team is loaded. And then if you add Joe? Come on now.

[ISHGoat]

In 2011 they could be considered stacked because DWade was a top 5 player, but afterwards, you take that team minus lebron and it is merely average compared to other teams minus their superstar.

For most of lebron's time with the heat, dwade and bosh's name were bigger than their game.

[DMAVS41]

In 2011 they could be considered stacked because DWade was a top 5 player, but afterwards, you take that team minus lebron and it is merely average compared to other teams minus their superstar.

For most of lebron's time with the heat, dwade and bosh's name were bigger than their game.

The 12 Heat in the playoffs...even without Bosh for a bit where still stacked.

Wade was still amazing in 12 and when you have two great players like that...and you are playing in the East...you have a stacked team.

With Bosh healthy like he was in the finals? Absolutely stacked.

It's the 13 and 14 teams that weren't that great, but again, look at the competition in the East. It was dreadful in 13 and 14...just awful.

[Lebron23]

2016 Cleveland Cavalier (Depth Charts)


PG: Kyrie Irving - Mo Williams - Matthew Dellavedova
SG: Iman Shumpert - JR Smith.
SF: LeBron James - Joe Johnson - Joe Harris
PF: Kevin Love - Tristan Thompson
C: Timofey Mozgov - Anderson Varejao, Rakeem Christmas (if they traded Varejao to the Nets).

[Kingwillball]

2016 Cleveland Cavalier (Depth Charts)


PG: Kyrie Irving - Mo Williams - Matthew Dellavedova
SG: Iman Shumpert - JR Smith.
SF: LeBron James - Joe Johnson - Joe Harris
PF: Kevin Love - Tristan Thompson
C: Timofey Mozgov - Anderson Varejao, Rakeem Christmas (if they traded Varejao to the Nets).

Pretty sexy indeed

[West-Side]

Pretty sexy indeed

Yeah, if I see a stacked roster; I automatically assume LeBron is in there somewhere.