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gigantes

07-05-2015, 10:42 PM

i just discovered this recent story... doesn't look like it's been posted here yet, so thought i'd share:
http://www.wired.com/2015/05/silk-road-untold-story/

cliffs: this was a long and fascinating story about what led a talented, accomplished student and former eagle scout to design a huge drug-trafficking site, and how the key agents eventually caught him.

along the way it explains why he ordered the murders, why he was sloppy at coding, and how he became both stressed and arrogant over time. it also tells how federal security agencies have a lot of jealousy and competition going on between them, and even how one agent on the case couldn't resist stealing bitcoins from silk road. (he was eventually caught)

i guess now i need to watch "deep web," which came out a month before.

KendrickPerkins

07-05-2015, 10:46 PM

Thanks dude!

Norcaliblunt

07-05-2015, 11:14 PM

Norcaliblunt

07-05-2015, 11:15 PM

Watch Deep Web.

gigantes

07-05-2015, 11:55 PM

Dude got totally railroaded, the system is corrupt as ****, and privacy is vital, but facilitating the sale of drugs is not revolutionary, and surely no way to start a conscience mass movement for a better society. Also for an anarchist I wonder why he didn't go the personal sovereignty route.
from what i read, it said he was a libertarian of the "von mises" line of thought... not an anarchist.

i don't really see how he got railroaded. he took something highly illegal and went online in a huge way. the direct physical evidence was massive.

and despite all his preaching, at a certain point he just didn't give a shit whether people (particularly teens and preteens) got hurt or died from drug experiences he facilitated through silk road. that, and ordering five people whacked or whatever the number was.

but yeah i'll be sure to watch deep web to get a different take.

gts

07-06-2015, 01:37 PM

great read, super smart guy but ultimately just as corrupt as his users and kind of naive at the same time...

Draz

07-06-2015, 03:17 PM

Watch Deep Web.
There's a documentary?

Norcaliblunt

07-06-2015, 11:18 PM

from what i read, it said he was a libertarian of the "von mises" line of thought... not an anarchist.

i don't really see how he got railroaded. he took something highly illegal and went online in a huge way. the direct physical evidence was massive.

and despite all his preaching, at a certain point he just didn't give a shit whether people (particularly teens and preteens) got hurt or died from drug experiences he facilitated through silk road. that, and ordering five people whacked or whatever the number was.

but yeah i'll be sure to watch deep web to get a different take.

That brand of libertarian philosophy is bordering on anarcho capitalism. Also the whole Silk Road was basically a functioning unregulated anarchist institution.

His day in court was never really heard. There is a lot of illegal search and seizure stuff going on in this case. Plus crooked DEA agents were later charged with hacking peoples accounts, extortion, and other shady ass shit.

Idk watch Deep Web and here's a good interview with the director on Joe Rogan's podcast. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BJMjGLcdtOA

shallehalle

07-08-2015, 05:04 PM

Amazing story

sweggeh

07-08-2015, 05:20 PM

Great story. Real life Walter White. Turned from good guy with good intentions to insane guy killing people left right and centre.

The twist with Force was crazy too lol.

UK2K

07-08-2015, 05:58 PM

I knew a guy who could find the silk road. Super computer nerd.

Basically eBay for everything you can't put on eBay.

I read about it when he was first arrested. Apparently he lived in an apartment with two dudes who had no idea what he was doing, and the guy did all his work from a computer cafe across the street.

Dresta

07-08-2015, 06:36 PM

rufuspaul

07-09-2015, 09:14 AM

Just like heroin use is shooting up now that the government is cracking down on prescription opiates - these morons always create more problems than they solve.

This is a real problem. As someone who can prescribe drugs the current regulations are creating a shitstorm of problems. In the past if I had a patient who was in pain over the weekend I could call in a strong pain killer to get them through until they could be treated. Now i can't call in anything that really works. The only option is to send patients to the ER or urgent care, which drives up the costs significantly. For people with chronic pain, heroin is cheaper and, thanks to the DEA, easier to get.

UK2K

07-09-2015, 11:48 AM

Silk Road was a great service; probably saved lots of lives as it was so much more reliable than getting your shit from a street dealer.

Just like heroin use is shooting up now that the government is cracking down on prescription opiates - these morons always create more problems than they solve.

Thats the government MO.

Create something (Obamacare). **** something up (**** up Obamacare). Keep ****ing it up (Still ****ing up Obamacare). The people will beg for a fix (like the public is now, minus the free riders who dont pay shit). Then declare a solution (single payer, which was the goal from the beginning).

Repeat for, literally, anything else the government has created (SS, the post office, VA healthcare, you name it, the government has ****ed it up).

Dresta

07-09-2015, 01:31 PM

This is a real problem. As someone who can prescribe drugs the current regulations are creating a shitstorm of problems. In the past if I had a patient who was in pain over the weekend I could call in a strong pain killer to get them through until they could be treated. Now i can't call in anything that really works. The only option is to send patients to the ER or urgent care, which drives up the costs significantly. For people with chronic pain, heroin is cheaper and, thanks to the DEA, easier to get.
Shit, i didn't realise it was that bad even. These imbeciles destroy lives with their self-righteous bullshit; it's really disgraceful, and even more irritating because they act like they are helping people.

highwhey

07-09-2015, 01:45 PM

This is a real problem. As someone who can prescribe drugs the current regulations are creating a shitstorm of problems. In the past if I had a patient who was in pain over the weekend I could call in a strong pain killer to get them through until they could be treated. Now i can't call in anything that really works. The only option is to send patients to the ER or urgent care, which drives up the costs significantly. For people with chronic pain, heroin is cheaper and, thanks to the DEA, easier to get.
Hydrocodone should have been a C2 narcotic from day 1. I'm not insinuating you rx opiates irresponsibly, but other prescribers do. Opiate abuse is a huge problem in the US, and yes, it does make it a pain in the ass to obtain them for legitimate uses. But it's a huge problem in our nation. Bubbles adventures of chasing that nod in The Wire is what many people try to do with opiates.

Hit them with that Tylenol #3 (codeine/acetaminophen)

rufuspaul

07-09-2015, 02:01 PM

Hit them with that Tylenol #3 (codeine/acetaminophen)

Worthless. Any pain relief you get is from the Tylenol.

highwhey

07-09-2015, 02:12 PM

Worthless. Any pain relief you get is from the Tylenol.
Had some leftover tylenol 3 and i filtered the acetaminophen out. Took enough of them that i became really itchy with a swollen red face (ie an allergic reaction )but i never got high :facepalm

Dresta

07-09-2015, 02:54 PM

Had some leftover tylenol 3 and i filtered the acetaminophen out. Took enough of them that i became really itchy with a swollen red face (ie an allergic reaction )but i never got high :facepalm
Codeine is good for some people, useless for others. Tis a prodrug and something like 10% of people get no effect whatsoever from it. It works pretty well for me, so my CYP2D6 enzyme must be pretty active. Still, it doesn't last very long, and if you're suffering serious pain oxys are just so much more effective.

Also, i'd rather 1000 people wreck their lives through irresponsible opiate abuse than just one have to suffer torment and not get the medication they need because of the irresponsibility of others. Utilitarianism is for chumps - some people need to learn the hard way.

~primetime~

07-09-2015, 03:04 PM

Hydrocodone should have been a C2 narcotic from day 1. I'm not insinuating you rx opiates irresponsibly, but other prescribers do. Opiate abuse is a huge problem in the US, and yes, it does make it a pain in the ass to obtain them for legitimate uses. But it's a huge problem in our nation. Bubbles adventures of chasing that nod in The Wire is what many people try to do with opiates.

Hit them with that Tylenol #3 (codeine/acetaminophen)
yes, nearly half of the drug deaths in this country are from from prescription opiates

http://claad.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Table.png

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/fig4-test4214.jpg

the amount being prescribed is finally starting to go down...
Dresta throws hissy fit in 3...2...1...

highwhey

07-09-2015, 03:18 PM

Codeine is good for some people, useless for others. Tis a prodrug and something like 10% of people get no effect whatsoever from it. It works pretty well for me, so my CYP2D6 enzyme must be pretty active. Still, it doesn't last very long, and if you're suffering serious pain oxys are just so much more effective.

Also, i'd rather 1000 people wreck their lives through irresponsible opiate abuse than just one have to suffer torment and not get the medication they need because of the irresponsibility of others. Utilitarianism is for chumps - some people need to learn the hard way.
I believe we have discussed opiates on a previous occasion (you and i) :oldlol:

What rufus is referring to is vicodin (or any hydrocodeine drug). It used to be a ciii (schedule 3 drug so he could call it in to a pharmacy and they would accept a verbal rx) however, last year it was rescheduled to a cii (stricter, same class as amphetamines and oxy/morphine). Unfortunately, you can't call in a c2 into pharmacies. All c2s require a written hardcopy rx. Tylenol 3 is like a schedule 4 drug but as you said, it is fairly weak.

highwhey

07-09-2015, 03:20 PM

yes, nearly half of the drug deaths in this country are from from prescription opiates

http://claad.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Table.png

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/fig4-test4214.jpg

the amount being prescribed is finally starting to go down...
Dresta throws hissy fit in 3...2...1...
Those numbers are staggering. Opiate addiction is very ugly as well. I remember watching a documentary about addicts, they were essentially zombies.

Thorpesaurous

07-09-2015, 03:45 PM

yes, nearly half of the drug deaths in this country are from from prescription opiates

http://claad.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Table.png

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/fig4-test4214.jpg

the amount being prescribed is finally starting to go down...
Dresta throws hissy fit in 3...2...1...

The small decline in prescription could be from the explosion of it on the streets. There may be fewer people fishing for it.

SCREWstonRockets

07-09-2015, 04:00 PM

highwhey

07-09-2015, 04:01 PM

The small decline in prescription could be from the explosion of it on the streets. There may be fewer people fishing for it.
I read an npr article on how much easier it is to obtain heroin than opiates, so you're probably right. Keep in mind tho, the DEA has also put a lot of pressure on prescribers and while this is not new, they did reclassify vicodin into a stricter drug schedule, essentially treating it as dangerous narcotic.

highwhey

07-09-2015, 04:07 PM

your thoughts on oxycodone for recreational use?
10x better than prometh/codeine drank. People are very silly when they claim to be high off purple drank...if only they knew that it's mainly the promethazine doing all the sedative/disassociative work. Promethazine is an antihistamine like benadryl. Codiene is fairly weak. So all in all, you're enjoying the antihistamine lol.

On that notes, some antihistamines are WONDER DRUGZ:cough, allergies, GREAT for nausea, help you fall asleep, if you have light anxiety they can help via sedation.

rufuspaul

07-09-2015, 04:19 PM

your thoughts on oxycodone for recreational use?

I'm not into opiates as recreation. They are effective as pain killers but thanks to abusers they are harder to come by and carry a stigma.

~primetime~

07-09-2015, 04:26 PM

black market heroin is booming right now because of opiate Rx's

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Opiates.png

fiddy

07-09-2015, 04:31 PM

masonanddixon

07-10-2015, 06:47 AM

I'm not into opiates as recreation. They are effective as pain killers but thanks to abusers they are harder to come by and carry a stigma.

What specialty of medicine do you work in?

fiddy

07-10-2015, 06:48 AM

What specialty of medicine do you work in?
Hes a dentist.

masonanddixon

07-10-2015, 06:51 AM

Hes a dentist.

Since when are dentists allowed to prescribe big boy medicines?

Godzuki

07-10-2015, 10:31 AM

this writer is telling it like its a fictional embellishment of facts. its so hard to take whats written literally i keep rolling my eyes at his attention to unnecessary made up details, that are obviously there to make everything more extravagant :facepalm

i mean the whole scheme is interesting but this writer is trying way too hard. can't get thru it. dude is better off writing fantasy and romance novels :rolleyes:

Godzuki

07-10-2015, 10:36 AM

Since when are dentists allowed to prescribe big boy medicines?

they shouldn't be, they're overrated teeth pullers. dentists are the easiest road to the title of doctor. gimme a light and i'll diagnose cavities. gimme a xray machine and i'll diagnose cracks. gimme a wrench and i'll pull some mf'in teeth. not hard :pimp:

Godzuki

07-10-2015, 10:43 AM

Youre probly just having difficulty reading such a long piece. Maybe open your eyes a little more so its not as difficult?

lol its not even that long. its just so exaggerated at every sentence its laffably unrealistic to the actual truths. he writes so many things he possibly couldn't know or doesn't even make much sense, all for the sake of extravagance.

since i'm smarter than most people i recognize it :pimp:

lol @ 6 foot, 200 lbs means athletic. lol @ all of the minute details of a persons thoughts, what the dogs are doing, descriptions, etc. its truly like a work of fictional writing :facepalm

That_Admiral

07-13-2015, 01:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzSOstbCap0
Found this amazing documentary.
Really long, but definitely worth watching. Would recommend.

rufuspaul

07-13-2015, 10:59 AM

they shouldn't be, they're overrated teeth pullers. dentists are the easiest road to the title of doctor. gimme a light and i'll diagnose cavities. gimme a xray machine and i'll diagnose cracks. gimme a wrench and i'll pull some mf'in teeth. not hard :pimp:

:lol Yeah, it's super easy.

UK2K

07-13-2015, 11:14 AM

black market heroin is booming right now because of opiate Rx's

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Opiates.png

Heroin has destroyed Louisville.

ItsMillerTime

07-13-2015, 11:40 AM

Heroin has destroyed Louisville.

And most of Southern Indiana. There's actually a state of emergency right now because of an HIV outbreak caused by needle-sharing in opiate users. Unreal.

RedBlackAttack

07-13-2015, 07:57 PM

lol its not even that long. its just so exaggerated at every sentence its laffably unrealistic to the actual truths. he writes so many things he possibly couldn't know or doesn't even make much sense, all for the sake of extravagance.

since i'm smarter than most people i recognize it :pimp:

lol @ 6 foot, 200 lbs means athletic. lol @ all of the minute details of a persons thoughts, what the dogs are doing, descriptions, etc. its truly like a work of fictional writing :facepalm
"Extravagance"? lol

It's called feature writing. Setting the mood is half the battle in feature writing. The look of a room, the way rain hits a window, animals frolicking about the house. When you are interviewing someone or relaying their memories of certain events, those kind of details are exactly the kind of things a seasoned writer would look for and/or ask about.

If you want just a straight news story about Silk Road, I'm sure there are plenty out there.

This is a fascinating story and the writer did it justice here, although I'm certain DPR has an entirely different take on exactly what happened. Part of what makes this story so intriguing is the unknown, because the FBI had control of The Silk Road and the DPR account for a time. We know this... so, it calls into question the correspondence of his private messages and what was said when...

We'll probably never know exactly what went down. It doesn't make this version of the story any less interesting.

And most of Southern Indiana. There's actually a state of emergency right now because of an HIV outbreak caused by needle-sharing in opiate users. Unreal.

Well, a libertarian would tell you that is a good reason to legalize and regulate the drug. When you leave it to the black market, things get messy. Prohibition has really never worked for any drug.

~primetime~

07-13-2015, 08:20 PM

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Well, a libertarian would tell you that is a good reason to legalize and regulate the drug. When you leave it to the black market, things get messy. Prohibition has really never worked for any drug.
I don't think you understand why heroin is huge right now... It's because of LEGAL opiates that so many obtained from their doctor are now understanding they can save a ton of money going to the black market. There is a heroin epidemic in some places BECAUSE opiates are legal.

~primetime~

07-13-2015, 08:27 PM

The fact that opiates are legal isn't really the issue though, it's the fact that doctors were throwing out prescriptions for them like candy. Now that the problem is understood it is more difficult to get an opiate Rx so I would expect the heroin issue to ease up over time. Unfortunately a large population of addicts was created because doctors were so careless with this.

Dresta

07-13-2015, 08:27 PM

Well, it clearly shows that the problem lies far deeper than doctors being free and loose with scripts. Essentially, opiate abuse is the result of the will to negate life, to escape reality, which is something modern culture is more and more frequently geared around (music as narcotica, telvision as narcotica, video games as narcotica - the next logical step is drug abuse - just look at the behaviour of your average student today and his desire to negate through a variety of intoxicants, tis clear as day; most can't even go out with their supposed "friends" without first befuddling their minds with alcohol - pre-drinks, woooo!!). Modern culture is almost entirely geared towards the individual who has been whipped too much by life, and it shows. We are becoming the shittiest and most banal Buddhists on the planet - my fellow countrymen are looking more and more Chinese by the day; no wonder we have become so subservient to the whims of the state.

Pretty sure i said on here in one of my long arguments with primetime that cracking down on prescription drugs would result in a spike in heroin abuse, something far less easy to control, and far easier to od on, even if you know what you're doing (you have to be deliberately reckless or stupid or just very unlucky to kill yourself with prescription narcotics - most of the deaths will be a result of mixing with other CNS depressants). Simply targeting suppliers doesn't address the root of the problem, which is the hollow emptiness of modern existence, as well as the dissolution of the bonds of family and community that really did act as a restraint over the pursuit of mindless and hedonistic pleasure-seeking (these are interrelated).

Perhaps we need something more than the frivolous ideology of comfort and happiness? Just a thought...

RedBlackAttack

07-13-2015, 08:48 PM

I don't think you understand why heroin is huge right now... It's because of LEGAL opiates that so many obtained from their doctor are now understanding they can save a ton of money going to the black market. There is a heroin epidemic in some places BECAUSE opiates are legal.
I don't understand why heroin is big right now? You don't think the epidemic has reached my area of the country? It has. You don't think that opiate addiction has touched some of my family and friends? It has.

If you think that making Oxycontin and/or percocet and the rest of the opiates illegal is going to do anything to curtail addiction problems, I've got some news for you.

People like getting high. In the 16th Century, it was Laudanum that everyone loved. Of course, in the late-1800s and early-1900s, that was the terrible epidemic. Heroin was actually invented, in part, to help combat people going through Laudanum and Opium withdrawal. Then, of course, heroin was the demon drug and, again, medicine adjusted with the newer opiates that now, in your opinion, has been the root of all heroin problems.

This isn't new and it isn't going anywhere... not if you make every opiate illegal... opiates, btw, which can be invaluable to people with serious illness and terminal cancer.

If people were really uneducated enough to get hooked on opiates like Oxycontin and not understand what they were taking and where it could lead, the problem is one of education, not prohibition. But, that's not what I've seen.

What I have seen over the last decade-plus is that people really liked getting high. And, yeah... it's cheaper to get high on heroin than it is on Oxycontin, so that was always an eventuality. But, it isn't because the doctors were too loose with their scripts. It was because oxycontin felt good and there will always be a market for things that make you feel good. If not an actual, legal market, the black market will take control.

And, the public will always have far less control of the black market than they will by legalizing/taxing/regulating. The drug war has been an enormous failure. Our society will have advanced when that is accepted and we look at alternatives.

Prohibition has never been the answer... not when the demand is this intense.

~primetime~

07-13-2015, 08:58 PM

I think cracking down on the amount of Rx given out (already happened finally) will reduce the problem for sure. Making them flat out illegal also would however opiates are very beneficial to those who are actually in a lot of pain so I wouldn't want that.
https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/fig1test51414.jpg

^^^ that needs to go back to what it was in the early 90s

KevinNYC

07-13-2015, 09:34 PM

Thats the government MO.

Create something (Obamacare). **** something up (**** up Obamacare). Keep ****ing it up (Still ****ing up Obamacare). The people will beg for a fix (like the public is now, minus the free riders who dont pay shit). Then declare a solution (single payer, which was the goal from the beginning).

Repeat for, literally, anything else the government has created (SS, the post office, VA healthcare, you name it, the government has ****ed it up).
Your thumb's in your ass.

rufuspaul

07-14-2015, 10:31 AM

I think cracking down on the amount of Rx given out (already happened finally) will reduce the problem for sure. Making them flat out illegal also would however opiates are very beneficial to those who are actually in a lot of pain so I wouldn't want that.

Cracking down on prescriptions has had the opposite intended effect and has created a an increased market for heroin and caused a further rift in the doctor-patient relationship. Pain management is patient specific and should be handled as such. Sweeping DEA rules that apply to everyone across the board is not working as planned.

~primetime~

07-14-2015, 10:58 AM

Cracking down on prescriptions has had the opposite intended effect and has created a an increased market for heroin and caused a further rift in the doctor-patient relationship. Pain management is patient specific and should be handled as such. Sweeping DEA rules that apply to everyone across the board is not working as planned.
BECAUSE so many addicts were created via prescription.

Cracking down didn't create more addicts, it only changed were they get their fix.

Throwing out too many prescriptions created all these addicts.

I understand that there are many that genuinely need opiates, but what was being prescribed went way beyond that.

Dresta

07-14-2015, 11:08 AM

Yeah, primetime, all these poor patients had no idea what they were doing and became addicts by accident :roll:

You're so typical of the former addict who thinks he's found salvation: now you are a puritan who thinks he needs to control other people's lives for their own good. A mindless and illogical fanatic, basically. People like you always make the problem worse (and hide your intrusive wickedness behind the aegis of 'good intentions' - well, no-one wants an alcoholic drunk-driving bum like you to look out for them primetime, so you should stick to your own life and your own problems, and stop trying to use a state monopoly to enforce your perverted will).