2008-2010 Lakers are worse if we replace Kobe with Lebron-ball right?

[3ball]

Lebron-ball doesn't fit into triangle - there was no "point guard" in that offense so Lebron-ball doesn't fit.

So Phil either has to abandon the triangle and run the easily solvable Lebron-ball, or Lebron has to dial back his game to fit into the triangle's more optimal, equitable methodology.

[SouBeachTalents]

Well, at least it isn't a Jordan-LeBron thread. Dude's still making half a dozen LeBron threads a day doe

[Lebron23]

Well, at least it isn't a Jordan-LeBron thread. Dude's still making half a dozen LeBron threads a day doe


LBJ living rent free inside his head. 2008-2010 LeBron with 2008-2010 Lakers. Look at the size and length. Artest and Ariza are good 3 points shooters. And Vujacic also had some decent games in the playoffs.

[dubeta]

They 3-peat


LeBron-Ball gets dleague teams within 2 games of a championship


LeBron + Gasol + Bynum + Odom = 3 peat minimum

[TheMarkMadsen]

Cavs couldn't play TT & Mozgof together for long stretches because it fucced up Lebrons spacing..

how is he going to work with Pau & Odom and Bynum clogging the paint??

[dubeta]

Well, at least it isn't a Jordan-LeBron thread. Dude's still making half a dozen LeBron threads a day doe

3ball is legit scared of LeBron :lol

[Fire Colangelo]

Cavs couldn't play TT & Mozgof together for long stretches because it fucced up Lebrons spacing..

how is he going to work with Pau & Odom and Bynum clogging the paint??

Odom had an outside shot, Pau had a respectable mid range....

[TheBigVeto]

3ball is legit scared of LeBron :lol

This.
There is a universe where Lebron >>>> Jordan. It can be found wherever 3ball writes a post, or starts a thread.

[3ball]

They 3-peat


LeBron-Ball gets dleague teams within 2 games of a championship


LeBron + Gasol + Bynum + Odom = 3 peat minimum


Well, we have to account for Lebron's standard PF stat reduction.

He cratered Love and Bosh's stats by 40%, so we have to assume the same for Gasol and Odom - so don't think of Gasol and Odom as great players anymore... Alongside Lebron, they're ordinary players.

Heck, Odom was already a shaky dude who was "on" one night, "off" the next - if it wasn't for his deep respect for Kobe and Kobe's all-round scoring repertoire fitting so well with Lamar's game, Lamar's career would've been over much sooner.

Alongside Lebron, Lamar's game would be in permenent "off" mode.. People would be like "holy crap, i forgot lamar was on the team."

[dubeta]

Well, we have to account for Lebron's standard PF stat reduction.

He cratered Love and Bosh's stats by 40%


Yup, only when the PF is the 3rd option

Gasol will get his 21/11 as the 2nd option, and Odom can still get his 15,8

[SouBeachTalents]

Well, we have to account for Lebron's standard PF stat reduction.

He cratered Love and Bosh's stats by 40%, so we have to assume the same for Gasol and Odom - so don't think of Gasol and Odom as great players anymore... Alongside Lebron, they're ordinary players.

Heck, Odom was already a shaky dude who was "on" one night, "off" the next - if it wasn't for his deep respect for Kobe and Kobe's all-round scoring repertoire fitting so well with Lamar's game, Lamar's career would've been over much sooner.

Alongside Lebron, Lamar's game would be in permenent "off" mode.. People would be like "holy crap, i forgot lamar was on the team."

Not true, since Love & Bosh were the third options while Gasol was second

[imnew09]

Lebeta needs shooters to bail his a$$ out. With him hogging the ball down to 4 secs each possession, wont have enough time to run the triangle efficiently. Besides Triangle offense requires players to have a good jumpshot, what was lebetas jumpshot % again this final? Lol...

Another note, Triangle offense works best when they double team ( Kobe is the double team magnet), but with lebron... Single coverage all day

[Fudge]

Lol, they actually threepeat.

Easily beat the Celtics in 08, sweeps the Magic in 09, and beats the Celtics in 5 in 2010.

[PickernRoller]

Post that interview in 09 where Lebron said Kobe was better than him? I think it was 60 minutes.

In short, close thread.

[3ball]

Not true, since Love & Bosh were the third options while Gasol was second
Gasol's stats would still go down, just like 25 ppg Kevin Love's did - Lebron turned Love INTO a 3rd option.

And Lamar's a third option... He was a nice 3rd option alongside Kobe too... Kobe's diverse, all-round scoring repertoire had the capacity to fit well with Lamar's game.

What made Lamar truly dangerous was the point-forward, PG, playmaking aspect aspect to his game.. When you saw him doing that, you knew it was curtains for the other team because Lamar was feeling it and in his comfort zone.. That would disappear alongside Lebron..

But alongside Kobe's more versatile scoring, Lamar didn't have to abandon his comfort zone.

[eliteballer]

LeBron definitely isn't winning any rings with Bynum's 6 point and 5 rebound playoff averages.

[Bandito]

Lebeta needs shooters to bail his a$$ out. With him hogging the ball down to 4 secs each possession, wont have enough time to run the triangle efficiently. Besides Triangle offense requires players to have a good jumpshot, what was lebetas jumpshot % again this final? Lol...

Another note, Triangle offense works best when they double team ( Kobe is the double team magnet), but with lebron... Single coverage all day
So thissssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[3ball]

Post that interview in 09 where Lebron said Kobe was better than him? I think it was 60 minutes.

In short, close thread.


True - and there's a reason that Chalmers, Cole, and Battier routinely sucked and underperformed, while Derek Fisher and Rick Fox almost never did.. Fisher and Fox simply didn't have to relinquish any playmaking duties alongside Kobe - they don't have to abandon any comfort zones they had, so they played better, and their reputation benefited from playing with Kobe..

For Lebron's teammates, it's the opposite.. Chalmers, Cole, Battier, Bosh, and Love have all had their individual stats, performance and reputation hurt by playing with Lebron.

People aren't giving credit to how Lebron's style reduces his teammates stats.. This prevents the team from maximizing their production and reaching their ceiling, which leads to underachievement.
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[riseagainst]

lebron would average 38-8-8 in the finals while 5 peating.

[Genaro]

That team doesn't fit Lebron's strengths, good playoff team because of the talent of Gasol and Lebron but I don't see them winning.

[HOoopCityJones]

lebron would average 38-8-8 in the finals while losing.

Yup :lol

[branslowski]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Omg, Gasol would be tookin out of the paint to fit LeBron's drive, thus turning Gasol into a deep 2/ 3pt shooter, thus taking down Gasol's production just like Bosh's and just like Love's....And Odom and Bynum?? They are not even as good as TT and Mozgov was in the Finals..

Odom Finals avg= 8ppg 8reb 3ast vs TT Finals avg 11-12ppg 12reb glass cleaner and defender.

Bynum Finals avg= 6ppg 4reb vs Mozgov Finals avg 15ppg 9reb

Anyone thinking Bron could have won a title with the Lakers is truely blind. His lack of a good jumper would force Gasol to have to spread the floor out for him to drive, thus Gasol getting all jumpers and 3's.

[LAZERUSS]

Yet another "anti-Lebron" topic...

MJ > Lebron.

Lebron...all-time great.

[HOoopCityJones]

You're not getting the same production out of our bigs with Lebron at the center of the offense. It's proven they regress.

Especially someone like Gasol and Odom, two infamous pouters and check out artists when shit isn't going their way. Bosh at least latched onto his defense and spot up shooting to fill up the overall scoring gap that was taken from his game.

[Hey Yo]

True - and there's a reason that Chalmers, Cole, and Battier routinely sucked and underperformed, while Derek Fisher and Rick Fox almost never did.. Fisher and Fox simply didn't have to relinquish any playmaking duties alongside Kobe - they don't have to abandon any comfort zones they had, so they played better, and their reputation benefited from playing with Kobe..

For Lebron's teammates, it's the opposite.. Chalmers, Cole, Battier, Bosh, and Love have all had their individual stats, performance and reputation hurt by playing with Lebron.

People aren't giving credit to how Lebron's style reduces his teammates stats.. This prevents the team from maximizing their production and reaching their ceiling, which leads to underachievement.
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If you take Horace Grant off Chicago and replace with Bosh or Love.....does Love still get 18.5FGA and 8FTA per game like he did the last season with T'Wolves? Does Bosh still get his 16.5FGA and 8.4FTA like he did with Toronto?

[leBron Bieber]

Lebron Ball Had Tristan Freakin Thompson N Mozscrub Looking Like Mosters Against The Best Front Court In The League ( Bulls) Stfu 5 Peat Easy!

[Hey Yo]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Omg, Gasol would be tookin out of the paint to fit LeBron's drive, thus turning Gasol into a deep 2/ 3pt shooter, thus taking down Gasol's production just like Bosh's and just like Love's....And Odom and Bynum?? They are not even as good as TT and Mozgov was in the Finals..

Odom Finals avg= 8ppg 8reb 3ast vs TT Finals avg 11-12ppg 12reb glass cleaner and defender.

Bynum Finals avg= 6ppg 4reb vs Mozgov Finals avg 15ppg 9reb

Anyone thinking Bron could have won a title with the Lakers is truely blind. His lack of a good jumper would force Gasol to have to spread the floor out for him to drive, thus Gasol getting all jumpers and 3's.
:facepalm :facepalm

nice vocabulary