Lou Williams for 7 million is better than Lamarcus Aldridge for 20 million

[kennethgriffin]

after just a bit of research.... in hindsight... the lakers dodged a huge bullet



the lakers got a 22.2ppg per 36m player for 14 million less than the spurs paid for a guy who averages 23.8ppg per 36m


but whats most shocking is i found out that

lamarcus aldridge has a 1.17 points per shot
lou williams has a 1.33 points per shot





1.17 is actually extremely low for a big man




i'm guessing its due to only shooting 46% ... not great for a big


that and lou williams goes to the line 5 times per 11 shots and hits 2 threes a game

aldridge goes to the line only 5 times per 20 shots and hits just 1 three a game







http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0162fbe3e653970d-pi


>>>>>



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[kennethgriffin]

aldridges inability to get to the line is actually some all time futility type sh*t

anyone who takes 20 shots should be getting to the line nearly 10 times a game


1.17pps is f*cking bad

[Trollsmasher]

agreed in the sense that LMA is very overrated

[hawke812]

Good job on the research, very informative. I also believe LMA was a bit overrated for the price. Not a bad player, but just too much $$$.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Well that's good, they won't have to spend that much money on their 30-40 win season. I'm sure that Laker fans are extremely excited to know that the Buss family is saving a few million dollars.

[K Xerxes]

How mad are you that Duncan is still competing for championships at the end of his career, while Kobe is competing for better spots in the lottery?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2540973/howarddealwithit.gif

[kennethgriffin]

How mad are you that Duncan is still competing for championships at the end of his career, while Kobe is competing for better spots in the lottery?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2540973/howarddealwithit.gif


who the f*ck is duncan on this spurs team... the 12th man?



3rd option 15ppg title in 2014 would look impressive compared to any type of role he can muster with this new lineup

aldridge taking 20 shots. duncan off the bench for 20 minutes ... might average 11/7 if lucky

[West-Side]

How mad are you that Duncan is still competing for championships at the end of his career, while Kobe is competing for better spots in the lottery?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2540973/howarddealwithit.gif

You mean San Antonio is competing for championships right?

[Ruler]

Congrats salty laker fan! You got a 6'1" 180lbs shooting guard! He's almost as good of a chucker as current Kobe. And of course, he's the reigning sixth man of the year! although... No all star selection... Or All-NBA selections... And he had one good season after tearing his ACL... But dammit he's a star!

You realize you just hindered the development of your young guys completely, right? Now you have Clarkson and Russell behind Kobe and Lou. And Nick Young if he stays. Oh and Lou doesn't play any defense. Jesus you fans are delusional. If LMA would have signed there for whatever reason, it would be "He's a young Tim Duncan!" (since you're jealous you never got the best player of this era), "Lakers always sign the best free agent in the class", "We got the title This year", "This deal will be a bargain when the cap increases!" Etc. etc.

[toxicxr6]

aldridges inability to get to the line is actually some all time futility type sh*t

anyone who takes 20 shots should be getting to the line nearly 10 times a game


1.17pps is f*cking bad


Well I'm totally happy for you.. Spurs going to compete for another championship and Duncan has a chance a ring 6.. Kobe and the lakers stuck in the lottery..
In the end if you are so confident of your opinion.. Next season will show if you are right or wrong...good luck lakers :facepalm

[midatlantic09]

Lou Williams for $7 mil a yr is the best signing this offseason. He's as much of a contributor as many of the guys making $16+ million a yr....absolute steal.

[kennethgriffin]

Congrats salty laker fan! You got a 6'1" 180lbs shooting guard! He's almost as good of a chucked as current Kobe. And of course, he's the reigning sixth man of the year! although... No all star selection... Or All-NBA selections... And he had one good season after tearing his ACL... But dammit he's a star!

You realize you nust hindered the development of your young guys completely, right? Now you have Clarkson and Russell behind Kobe and Lou. And Nick Young if he stays. Oh and Lou doesn't play any defense. Jesus you fans are delusional. If LMA would have signed there for whatever reason, it would be "He's a young Tim Duncan!" (since you're jealous you never got the best player of this era), "Lakers always sign the best free agent in the class", "We got the title This year", "This deal will be a bargain when the cap increases!" Etc. etc.



are you mental bradley?

think mcfly ....think


hello?


a gun rack? what would i need with a gun rack? i don't even own A gun




Aldridge = 1.17 POINTS PER SHOT ( 20FGA's per game = 5FTA's )

Williams = 1.33 POINTS PER SHOT ( 11 FGA's per game = 5FTA's )





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[Ruler]

who the f*ck is duncan on this spurs team... the 12th man?



3rd option 15ppg title in 2014 would look impressive compared to any type of role he can muster with this new lineup

aldridge taking 20 shots. duncan off the bench for 20 minutes ... might average 11/7 if lucky

Yah because Kobe did so well in 2014. Oh wait... He wasnt even the 15th option, he broke down while taking up 25% of your teams cap space.

Next year Kobe averages 20pts / 5 ast / 4 reb / 35% FG / 30% 3P / 70% FT / 5 games played.

[K Xerxes]

who the f*ck is duncan on this spurs team... the 12th man?



3rd option 15ppg title in 2014 would look impressive compared to any type of role he can muster with this new lineup

aldridge taking 20 shots. duncan off the bench for 20 minutes ... might average 11/7 if lucky

5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs > 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVPs. You still mad?

Duncan has been the defensive anchor for all 5 championships. On and off court leader. Best player in the WCF vs the OKC in 2014 (and all I hear you say is that WCF is the 'real' final). Duncan > Kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

Yah because Kobe did so well in 2014. Oh wait... He wasnt even the 15th option, he broke down while taking up 25% of your teams cap space.

Next year Kobe averages 20pts / 5 ast / 4 reb / 35% FG / 30% 3P / 70% FT / 5 games played.


kobe with duncans achilles would be averaging 27ppg like he did in 2013


its futile to critique a guy on 1 leg

[Ruler]

Gun rack? What are you going on about, you manic?

[Ruler]

kobe with duncans achilles would be averaging 27ppg like he did in 2013


its futile to critique a guy on 1 leg

And Duncan with Kobe's money would be taking up 25% of the cap space :roll: your point? God dude, get out of the ocean and spit out that salt.

[Human Error]

Lol by OP's logic Lou Williams is much better than Kobe ever was but dude is going to ignore it. Top class stupidity on its full display. :oldlol:

[West-Side]

5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs > 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVPs. You still mad?

Duncan has been the defensive anchor for all 5 championships. On and off court leader. Best player in the WCF vs the OKC in 2014 (and all I hear you say is that WCF is the 'real' final). Duncan > Kobe.

Both are legends, and both had historic careers.
I think Kobe was more focal during his 5 titles; than Duncan has been in his 5. Especially Tim's last two (he was literally a really decent role player).

Not to mention, Kobe has completely owned SA in their respective primes.
What is he, 4-1 against SA?

Kobe was a magician the year LA beat SA by the greatest margin, in league history. That year LA swept Robinson & Duncan's Spurs.

[kennethgriffin]

5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs > 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVPs. You still mad?

Duncan has been the defensive anchor for all 5 championships. On and off court leader. Best player in the WCF vs the OKC in 2014 (and all I hear you say is that WCF is the 'real' final). Duncan > Kobe.


well if you discount:

- 1st team all nba's
- 1st team all defenses
- total allstar selections
- game winning shots
- head to head playoff wins
- 50+ win playoff teams beatin
- 30,40,50,60,70,80 point games
- career averages
- career totals
- career highs
- season highs
- playoff highs
- olympic medals
- international records
- player of the decade awards by tnt, dime, slam, s.i
- rings without another top 90 all time sidekick
- having the #1 and #2 all time playoff and finals averages for a 2nd option champion
- never losing a finals mvp to parker/kawhi types


then yeah... sure duncans 1 more mvp does the trick


but its about total careers i think


just looking at mvps and nash > oscar robertson/jerry west/dr J etc..

[Batz]

ITT: It's 2015 and people still feed the trolls.

[kennethgriffin]

Both are legends, and both had historic careers.
I think Kobe was more focal during his 5 titles; than Duncan has been in his 5. Especially Tim's last two (he was literally a really decent role player).

Not to mention, Kobe has completely owned SA in their respective primes.
What is he, 4-1 against SA?

Kobe was a magician the year LA beat SA by the greatest margin, in league history. That year LA swept Robinson & Duncan's Spurs.


no doubt. i proved that quite vividly the other day with this


all time highest 2nd leading scorers on a championship team:




Playoffs:

2001 Kobe Bryant 29.4
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.6
1986 Kevin Mchale 24.9
1958 Bob Pettit 24.2
1963 Sam Jones 23.8
1966 John Havlicek 23.6
1972 Jerry West 22.9
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.8
1987 Magic Johnson 21.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 21.7
1991 Scottie Pippen 21.6
1985 James Worthy 21.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 21.2
2000 Kobe Bryant 21.1
1957 Bill Sharman 21.1
1976 Dave Cowens 21.0
1979 Dennis Johnson 20.9
2005 Manu Ginobili 20.8
2007 Tony Parker 20.8
1962 Tom Heinsohn 20.7
1968 Sam Jones 20.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 20.5
1974 Dave Cowens 20.5
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 20.4
1980 Jamaal Wilkes 20.3
1956 Neil Johnston 20.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 20.1
1959 Bill Sharman 20.1
2006 Shaquille O'neal 20.0
1988 Magic Johnson 19.9
2010 Pau Gasol 19.6
1992 Scottie Pippen 19.5
1997 Scottie Pippen 19.2
1971 Bob Dandridge 19.2
1961 Bill Russell 19.1
2008 Kevin Garnett 18.8
1983 Andrew Tony 18.8
2015 Klay Thompson 18.6
1965 John Havlicek 18.5
1960 Bill Russell 18.5
2009 Pau Gasol 18.3
1977 Bill Walton 18.2
1990 Joe Dumars 18.2
1989 Joe Dumars 17.6
2011 Jason Terry 17.5
1964 Tom Heinsohn 17.4
1970 Dick Barnett 16.9
1996 Scottie Pippen 16.9
1998 Scottie Pippen 16.8
1969 Sam Jones 16.8
1984 Dennis Johnson 16.6
2004 Chauncey Billups 16.4
2014 Tim Duncan 16.3
1981 Cedric Maxwell 16.1
1973 Earl Monroe 16.1
1952 Jim Pollard 16.1
2013 Dwyane Wade 15.9
1951 Bob Davies 15.9
1999 David Robinson 15.6
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 15.0
2003 Tony Parker 14.7
1953 Jim Pollard 14.3
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.8
1955 Red Kerr 13.8
1950 Vern Mikkelsen 13.0
1954 Jim Pollard 12.3




Finals:

2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1958 Bob Pettit 24.0 ( Cliff Hagan 25.3, playoffs and finals leader )
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Rip playoff and finals leader. robbed )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3 ( ....................wtf? )
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( to my surprise Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )

[ISHGoat]

ill just leave this here:

lebron career points/shot: 1.38
kobe career points/shot: 1.24

[K Xerxes]

Both are legends, and both had historic careers.
I think Kobe was more focal during his 5 titles; than Duncan has been in his 5. Especially Tim's last two (he was literally a really decent role player).

Not to mention, Kobe has completely owned SA in their respective primes.
What is he, 4-1 against SA?

Kobe was a magician the year LA beat SA by the greatest margin, in league history. That year LA swept Robinson & Duncan's Spurs.

Absolutely bullshit. Kobe was more focal if you only look at PPG, which unfortunately is the only thing Kobe stans can see. Kobe was the leader for only two of the five championships. Duncan was the leader for AT LEAST four, if not all five. He was the defensive anchor, and outplayed Parker throughout the playoffs in 2007, and was easily the best vs OKC in the WCF in 2014 vs Durant and Westbrook, which was arguably tougher than battering Miami in the finals (4-2 vs 4-1). And yet all I hear about is that Kobe was better in the WCF than Shaq and that Shaq shouldn't get credit for beasting in the finals, even though the disparity between Shaq and Kobe was greater back then in the finals. What's with the double standard.

And H2H matchup... great argument when they play completely different positions. They've both won 5 championships over their career, and while SAS was competing in EVERY year, the Lakers sucked a few of those.



well if you discount:

- 1st team all nba's
- 1st team all defenses
- total allstar selections
- game winning shots
- head to head playoff wins
- 50+ win playoff teams beatin
- 30,40,50,60,70,80 point games
- career averages
- career totals
- career highs
- season highs
- playoff highs
- olympic medals
- international records
- player of the decade awards by tnt, dime, slam, s.i
- rings without another top 90 all time sidekick
- having the #1 and #2 all time playoff and finals averages for a 2nd option champion
- never losing a finals mvp to parker/kawhi types


then yeah... sure duncans 1 more mvp does the trick


but its about total careers i think


just looking at mvps and nash > oscar robertson/jerry west/dr J etc..

More MVPs and FMVPs and championships as the leader.

[kennethgriffin]

Gun rack? What are you going on about, you manic?


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lta4n7tkkq1qzzc1vo1_500.jpg

[Ruler]

I like how you couldnt think of anything more to say to me since you know you lost.

I'll give you this: Lou is on a great contract. But he's not an all star or great player. He's basically a smaller, slightly more efficient Swaggy P. I don't know how you think you'd rather have that than a top 15 player in the league, 2nd or 3rd best PF in the league.

Admit it: you're pissed Kobe ruined your chances with LMA.

[kennethgriffin]

Absolutely bullshit. Kobe was more focal if you only look at PPG, which unfortunately is the only thing Kobe stans can see. Kobe was the leader for only two of the five championships. Duncan was the leader for AT LEAST four, if not all five. He was the defensive anchor, and outplayed Parker throughout the playoffs in 2007, and was easily the best vs OKC in the WCF in 2014 vs Durant and Westbrook, which was arguably tougher than battering Miami in the finals (4-2 vs 4-1). And yet all I hear about is that Kobe was better in the WCF than Shaq and that Shaq shouldn't get credit for beasting in the finals, even though the disparity between Shaq and Kobe was greater back then in the finals. What's with the double standard.

And H2H matchup... great argument when they play completely different positions. They've both won 5 championships over their career, and while SAS was competing in EVERY year, the Lakers sucked a few of those.




More MVPs and FMVPs and championships as the leader.


and?


i just posted a list that shows 2 of kobes titles when he didnt win MVP blow duncans 2005 and 1999 FMVPs out of the water





its about individual performances during a title run. not whether or not you were barely the best player on a team from a lockout year or a finals in which manu ginobili could easly have been named FMVP too

[kennethgriffin]

I like how you couldnt think of anything more to say to me since you know you lost.

I'll give you this: Lou is on a great contract. But he's not an all star or great player. He's basically a smaller, slightly more efficient Swaggy P. I don't know how you think you'd rather have that than a top 15 player in the league, 2nd or 3rd best PF in the league.

Admit it: you're pissed Kobe ruined your chances with LMA.


1.17PPS

overrated




i didn't know about this until today


its the all time worst points per shot by any prime 20M+ player i've ever seen


efffff that

:lol



5fta's per 20 Fga's is some not giving a f*ck lazy sh*t too ... not for me

[West-Side]

Absolutely bullshit. Kobe was more focal if you only look at PPG, which unfortunately is the only thing Kobe stans can see. Kobe was the leader for only two of the five championships. Duncan was the leader for AT LEAST four, if not all five. He was the defensive anchor, and outplayed Parker throughout the playoffs in 2007, and was easily the best vs OKC in the WCF in 2014 vs Durant and Westbrook, which was arguably tougher than battering Miami in the finals (4-2 vs 4-1). And yet all I hear about is that Kobe was better in the WCF than Shaq and that Shaq shouldn't get credit for beasting in the finals, even though the disparity between Shaq and Kobe was greater back then in the finals. What's with the double standard.

And H2H matchup... great argument when they play completely different positions. They've both won 5 championships over their career, and while SAS was competing in EVERY year, the Lakers sucked a few of those.




More MVPs and FMVPs and championships as the leader.


No, Kobe was more focal because he was the absolute leader. The last two championships; there were too many heroes for SA, that weren't named Tim Duncan. Kobe's 2000 contribution to LA was clearly greater than Duncan's last two and that was Kobe's least impressive.

I'm sorry but your whole "he only has more points" is absurd. Did you not see how Kobe played against Phoenix, Denver, and your own SA in 2008/2009 playoff runs? The man was brilliant; not only with his epic fade away, but his overall play. The way he set up his teammates; the way he made those big shots.

You're absolutely nuts if Timmy's last 2 titles were even remotely close to those Kobe years. I didn't even notice Duncan's presence much in the last title SA won. Guy has been a very solid role player for SA; for the last 3-4 years. I don't deny his leadership, however, which I know is very important to winning titles. His locker room presence is also key. I love both players, and I think both are legends. They will be remembered as the 10 best players to ever live.

Lets just leave it at that.

[ISHGoat]

In OP's defense, id take Lou at 7m over aldridge at 20m any day of the week.

[toxicxr6]

ill just leave this here:

lebron career points/shot: 1.38
kobe career points/shot: 1.24


Please OP you need to address this valid point.. It follows your thread perfectly so please explain this..

[HurricaneKid]

I can't wait for the Lakers to do the equivalent of the three Ghostbusters crossing the streams; Put Swaggy, Kobe, and Lou in at the same time.

Who knows what vortex might appear. You just know its going up.

[DMAVS41]

No...he's not.

The value of LMA is higher at 20 million than the value of Lou Williams at 7 million.


However, I do think the Lakers lucked out not getting LMA. I don't think it makes sense for them right now and I also think LMA in that situation would be pretty over-rated.

[kennethgriffin]

ill just leave this here:

lebron career points/shot: 1.38
kobe career points/shot: 1.24


kobes is 1.29 ( probably from taking wild/crazy shots his whole career ) but thats what makes him great... the ability to shoot just 0.01 less PPS than the all time great michael jordan (1.30 PPS ) while taking 5000 more crazy/difficult/longer range shots .... thats impressive




and a guy like lebron should be more efficient.




the only problem for bran is when it matters most he fails more often than not


nobody denies lebrons statistical dominance. its his finals record that does him in

:lol


the 28% beyond 5 feet kinda ended his chances at a title this year

[West-Side]

No...he's not.

The value of LMA is higher at 20 million than the value of Lou Williams at 7 million.


However, I do think the Lakers lucked out not getting LMA. I don't think it makes sense for them right now and I also think LMA in that situation would be pretty over-rated.

Not for the Lakers, and their situation.
Especially when you consider their cap room situation for next year and the fact that LMA did not want to play center.

[DMAVS41]

Not for the Lakers, and their situation.
Especially when you consider their cap room situation for next year and the fact that LMA did not want to play center.

If you'd read my full post you'd see I agree with that.

Just don't tell me Lou Williams has more value than LMA in this league when factoring in their contracts...he doesn't.

[kennethgriffin]

No...he's not.

The value of LMA is higher at 20 million than the value of Lou Williams at 7 million.


However, I do think the Lakers lucked out not getting LMA. I don't think it makes sense for them right now and I also think LMA in that situation would be pretty over-rated.



dude just admit that i exposed the S.O.B


1.17



when will my genius be applauded on ISH... i'm getting sick of being overlooked/under appreciated

[West-Side]

kobes is 1.29




and a guy like lebron should be more efficient.




the only problem for bran is when it matters most he fails more often than not


nobody denies lebrons statistical dominance. its his finals record that does him in

:lol


the 28% beyond 5 feet kinda ended his chances at a title this year

I'm actually confused with this argument.
LeBron plays a different position; is much bigger and taller. He scores from the paint far more.

Why would Kobe have a higher FG% or PPS?
Kobe is one of the most efficient shooting guards in the last 15 years; look at the numbers. He is also the 2nd leading passer among all SG. Yet people love to call him an "inefficient" ball hog.

Never made sense.

[Carbine]

Both are legends, and both had historic careers.
I think Kobe was more focal during his 5 titles; than Duncan has been in his 5. Especially Tim's last two (he was literally a really decent role player).

Not to mention, Kobe has completely owned SA in their respective primes.
What is he, 4-1 against SA?

Kobe was a magician the year LA beat SA by the greatest margin, in league history. That year LA swept Robinson & Duncan's Spurs.

You just have to shake your head at comments like this.

Tim Duncan a really decent role player in 2007?????

It blows my mind. HE WAS THEIR UNDISPUTED BEST PLAYER IN 2007.

[Ruler]

No...he's not.

The value of LMA is higher at 20 million than the value of Lou Williams at 7 million.


However, I do think the Lakers lucked out not getting LMA. I don't think it makes sense for them right now and I also think LMA in that situation would be pretty over-rated.

I agree with this.

LMA on the lakers would of made them a 35 win team at best. On the Spurs he makes them a 67 win season at best. I guess it's because, well, the Lakers suck.

[West-Side]

If you'd read my full post you'd see I agree with that.

Just don't tell me Lou Williams has more value than LMA in this league when factoring in their contracts...he doesn't.

I think about your point, and I still don't agree. 20 to 7, is almost 3 to 1. I do think LMA is obviously a far better player, but I don't think he's three times better than Lou. L. Williams is an instant offense. He can put up similar numbers to guys like Lillard or J. Wall if given the minutes.

As a GM; if I'm evaluating pure value. I'd think Lou at 7 million brings more value than LMA at 20 million.

Or think of it this way; for an additional 14 million, you can get someone like Millsap or A. Johnson. I do think getting those two players makes my team better than just LMA; especially when you consider his below average shooting efficiency for a PF.

[kennethgriffin]

I'm actually confused with this argument.
LeBron plays a different position; is much bigger and taller. He scores from the paint far more.

Why would Kobe have a higher FG% or PPS?
Kobe is one of the most efficient shooting guards in the last 15 years; look at the numbers. He is also the 2nd leading passer among all SG. Yet people love to call him an "inefficient" ball hog.

Never made sense.



it really is dependant on position and scoring load

jordans 1.30 PPS is the bar people should be looking at for high volume scoring 6-6 type players

lebron can play power forward for god sake. bad comparison



kobes 1.29 is right there with MJ

which is also why i'm so impressed with lou williams having 1.33 PPS... it would dip a big if his scoring increased to 25-30ppg obviously. but in the time he plays hes extremely efficient and producing


aldridge is holding teams back with his soft play on the offensive end


his 5 free throws per 20 shots is the reason behind the 1.17pps

he isnt positively effecting outcomes as much as he could be if he drew more contact

[DMAVS41]

I think about your point, and I still don't agree. 20 to 7, is almost 3 to 1. I do think LMA is obviously a far better player, but I don't think he's three times better than Lou. L. Williams is an instant offense. He can put up similar numbers to guys like Lillard or J. Wall if given the minutes.

As a GM; if I'm evaluating pure value. I'd think Lou at 7 million brings more value than LMA at 20 million.

Or think of it this way; for an additional 14 million, you can get someone like Millsap or A. Johnson. I do think getting those two players makes my team better than just LMA; especially when you consider his below average shooting efficiency for a PF.


Yea...just no.

LOL...it's not close.

Why do Lakers fans absurdly over-rate every single player they get?

He's not remotely close to the players Wall and Lillard are. Did you actually just make that comparison?

And again, I like Lou...I wish the Mavs had built the team a different way and we had added contracts like this last year and this year. I think this is a valuable contract.

But there is a reason he's only getting 7 million a year...and Wall/Lillard will get the full max.

[HurricaneKid]

I'm actually confused with this argument.
LeBron plays a different position; is much bigger and taller. He scores from the paint far more.

Why would Kobe have a higher FG% or PPS?
Kobe is one of the most efficient shooting guards in the last 15 years; look at the numbers. He is also the 2nd leading passer among all SG. Yet people love to call him an "inefficient" ball hog.

Never made sense.

This is patently absurd.

Harden's WORST TS% the last 5 years is .598. Kobe's career HIGH is .580. Manu's CAREER avg is .586 (better than any season ever for Kobe).

CAREER Pts/FGA
Kobe 1.294
Manu 1.389
Harden 1.505

People call him an inefficient ball hog because despite being an all time great, thats just what he is.

[kennethgriffin]

Yea...just no.

LOL...it's not close.

Why do Lakers fans absurdly over-rate every single player they get?



you have to look closer

http://datamanos2.com/datamancode/lastsupper.jpg




do you see it



look.... closelier


http://datamanos2.com/datamancode/ears.jpg






its not the 7 million for just lou... you have to factor in the other 14 million worth the lakers are acquiring

[branslowski]

5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs > 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVPs. You still mad?

Duncan has been the defensive anchor for all 5 championships. On and off court leader. Best player in the WCF vs the OKC in 2014 (and all I hear you say is that WCF is the 'real' final). Duncan > Kobe.

Stop it, this is why Duncan isn't higher than Kobe All-Time....I don't even know if Duncan is the 4th option on his team these days...Lost 2 Finals MVP's to teammates who out played him on his "own" team...

Duncan Last 3 games vs Heat during Finals 2014:

14pts 6reb 2ast 0 blocks, 10pts 10reb 2ast 1blk, 14pts 8reb 2ast 2blk..:biggums:

Duncan led...:coleman:

[NBASTATMAN]

Yea...just no.

LOL...it's not close.

Why do Lakers fans absurdly over-rate every single player they get?


Don't worry they will blame Lou Williams if things fall apart.. I must admit they got a nice player for a good contract... The guy can ball but I think he needs the ball in his hands ... Where does that leave kobe, clarkson, and Angelo.. All guys that need the ball in their hands to play at their best...


Hickson looks like a nice grab as well... He can shoot and will be a nice defensive anchor..

[Nastradamus]

Lou was a steal. He fits well on that roster with the bigger PGs they have.

LMA is definitely overrated.

[kennethgriffin]

This is patently absurd.

Harden's WORST TS% the last 5 years is .598. Kobe's career HIGH is .580. Manu's CAREER avg is .586 (better than any season ever for Kobe).

CAREER Pts/FGA
Kobe 1.294
Manu 1.389
Harden 1.505

People call him an inefficient ball hog because despite being an all time great, thats just what he is.



volume adjustments have to be taken into consideration



manus would drop a bit if he took mj/kobe type shots

[SwayDizzle]

Championship Cruise baby. Y'all don't even realize what is about to happen..

[Ne 1]

(and all I hear you say is that WCF is the 'real' final)
People often say this about the early 00s, which is probably true. No East openent really stood a chance against the winner of the Western Confrence playoffs. That mold didn't change until the formation of the Pistons legendary defensive team and the Heat aqquiring Shaq was when the East was seen to finally stand a chance against the West.

[HurricaneKid]

I think about your point, and I still don't agree. 20 to 7, is almost 3 to 1. I do think LMA is obviously a far better player, but I don't think he's three times better than Lou. L. Williams is an instant offense. He can put up similar numbers to guys like Lillard or J. Wall if given the minutes.

As a GM; if I'm evaluating pure value. I'd think Lou at 7 million brings more value than LMA at 20 million.

Or think of it this way; for an additional 14 million, you can get someone like Millsap or A. Johnson. I do think getting those two players makes my team better than just LMA; especially when you consider his below average shooting efficiency for a PF.

Millsap just signed for 18M+. Spurned 20M/ offers. Amir Johnson just signed for 12. Is Amir + Lou worth LMA? I sure don't think so.

And Lou is horrifying defensively.

Lou can carry a second team because he can flat out score. But the Lakers problem is defense not offense. They already had that guy in Swaggy. Maybe it ends up being like the IT2 deal where a team signed him because its just too good of a value. But that didn't exactly work out for Phoenix either even though both those deals look like good value.

[West-Side]

volume adjustments have to be taken into consideration



manus would drop a bit if he took mj/kobe type shots
I didn't even want to reply to that post, :oldlol: .

The man picked a career 2nd/3rd option SG, who takes half as many shots as Kobe and a player who has been in the league for 5 years and is in his prime.

Harden over 17 shots a game; has shot 44%. Kobe has taken over 17 shots almost every year, and his career average is higher than 44%.

In fact, Kobe took 19 shots a game (for his career) and his FG% is .451.
How is that being "inefficient"? When the man carried his team on his back, scoring, for so many years?

[Mr Feeny]

Stop it, this is why Duncan isn't higher than Kobe All-Time....I don't even know if Duncan is the 4th option on his team these days...Lost 2 Finals MVP's to teammates who out played him on his "own" team...

Duncan Last 3 games vs Heat during Finals 2014:

14pts 6reb 2ast 0 blocks, 10pts 10reb 2ast 1blk, 14pts 8reb 2ast 2blk..:biggums:

Duncan led...:coleman:

Actually, pretry much everyone but Kobe stans has Duncan ahead of Kobe all time, and it isn't even close after that last championship.

[PickernRoller]

Actually, pretry much everyone but Kobe stans has Duncan ahead of Kobe all time, and it isn't even close after that last championship.

A LeTard is saying what Kobe stans think... where do these clowns come from? I know he's a stupid alt of some loser here but really...

No quality anymore...at least K Xerses is trying...still a fakkit but he's got some quality in there...

[Mr Feeny]

A LeTard is saying what Kobe stans think... where do these clowns come from? I know he's a stupid alt of some loser here but really...

No quality anymore...at least K Xerses is trying...still a fakkit but he's got some quality in there...

And here's a Kobe stan right on cue proving my point :lebronamazed:

[West-Side]

And here's a Kobe stan right on cue proving my point :lebronamazed:

Well considering almost every NBA legend considers Kobe greater than Duncan; perhaps it's the Kobe haters that are biased and not the Laker fans?

[Mr Feeny]

Well considering almost every NBA legend considers Kobe greater than Duncan; perhaps it's the Kobe haters that are biased and not the Laker fans?

Do they? Have any of then spoken post-2014 aand said that? No?, alright then.

The majority of basketball fans consider Duncan a greater player. I wish it weren't the case but it is. If you'd like to believe that they're all wrong, then by all means go ahead.

[Nastradamus]

Millsap just signed for 18M+. Spurned 20M/ offers. Amir Johnson just signed for 12. Is Amir + Lou worth LMA? I sure don't think so.

And Lou is horrifying defensively.

Lou can carry a second team because he can flat out score. But the Lakers problem is defense not offense. They already had that guy in Swaggy. Maybe it ends up being like the IT2 deal where a team signed him because its just too good of a value. But that didn't exactly work out for Phoenix either even though both those deals look like good value.

LMA's bad defensively too

[West-Side]

Do they? Have any of then spoken post-2014 aand said that? No?, alright then.

The majority of basketball fans consider Duncan a greater player. I wish it weren't the case but it is. If you'd like to believe that they're all wrong, then by all means go ahead.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

You don't remember what Bird, Magic and Jordan have said about Kobe?

"Well, it used to be Kobe Bryant ... the second best all time ... now, I have a new favorite player to play against ... my former teammate, LeBron James."

For example, this is what Wade said about Kobe before.
There were so many quotes from guys like Jenning, Horry, Fisher, Phil Jackson etc. where they ranked Kobe as one of the five greatest players to ever play the game.

People have the utmost respect for Duncan and I would never attempt to argue with someone who thinks he is greater than Kobe; but the fact remains, NBA players and legends have always given Kobe so much love over the years.

I just find it funny how fans who dislike the man, will always try to tarnish his skills, and accomplishments.

The fact that so many fans think Duncan "is clearly" better, when players who have either played against both or who were legends themselves; clearly disagree.

I'll listen to their opinions before a fan who has never competed in an NBA game before.

[Mr Feeny]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

You don't remember what Bird, Magic and Jordan have said about Kobe?

"Well, it used to be Kobe Bryant ... the second best all time ... now, I have a new favorite player to play against ... my former teammate, LeBron James."

For example, this is what Wade said about Kobe before.
There were so many quotes from guys like Jenning, Horry, Fisher, Phil Jackson etc. where they ranked Kobe as one of the five greatest players to ever play the game.

People have the utmost respect for Duncan and I would never attempt to argue with someone who thinks he is greater than Kobe; but the fact remains, NBA players and legends have always given Kobe so much love over the years.

I just find it funny how fans who dislike the man, will always try to tarnish his skills, and accomplishments.

The fact that so many fans think Duncan "is clearly" better, when players who have either played against both or who were legends themselves; clearly disagree.

I'll listen to their opinions before a fan who has never competed in an NBA game before.

You nailed it. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Prove to me that more players think Kobe is a better player than Duncan. If you can't then don't bother embarassing yoursrld:oldlol: I've lost count of the number of players who went on espn radio after the 2014 championship and said that Duncan and James are the greatest players since Jordan (thereby both better than Kobe).

Sleep well mate:rockon:

[imnew09]

And Duncan with Kobe's money would be taking up 25% of the cap space :roll: your point? God dude, get out of the ocean and spit out that salt.


Duncan with Kobes money would be flying in helicopter. Too bad doe he aint alpha Ballin niggub gets scam by his agent or something

[ShawkFactory]

Lou Williams is like a JR Smith. He'll get hot and win you a game, then be invisible or even a detriment for the next 3.

He's not a solid championship piece for 7 million.

Though I guess the Lakers aren't gunning for a championship right now..

[Levity]

You realize you just hindered the development of your young guys completely, right?.

Great post is great!!! You're completely right. Our rooks will be lucky to get 15 minutes a game. And let's not forget, injuries never happen during the regular season!!!

....jackass

[NugzFan]

Laker fans have officially lost it.

[West-Side]

Lou Williams is like a JR Smith. He'll get hot and win you a game, then be invisible or even a detriment for the next 3.

He's not a solid championship piece for 7 million.

Though I guess the Lakers aren't gunning for a championship right now..

I think many of us forget that the NBA is a business.
The owners spend millions of dollars so they can get a return on their investment. We fans get upset because we think "our team should tank" but it doesn't work that way.

The GM's will always try to put together a winning team because believe it or not; the revenue stream and endorsements don't bring cash in when your team is awful.

Signing someone like Lou will not win a championship but it will get fans a little more exciting and will surely make the team a little more money this upcoming season.

Plus, he's a damn good signing (value wise) in case LA does put together a contender in the next 2/3 years. Lou was the best bench player last season; great for team depth.

And the signing does not conflict with Russell's development as he'll still be the starter.

[PickernRoller]

And here's a Kobe stan right on cue proving my point :lebronamazed:

But you don't have a point. :hammerhead:

You have to have one doe...

[Mirror]

after just a bit of research.... in hindsight... the lakers dodged a huge bullet



the lakers got a 22.2ppg per 36m player for 14 million less than the spurs paid for a guy who averages 23.8ppg per 36m


but whats most shocking is i found out that

lamarcus aldridge has a 1.17 points per shot
lou williams has a 1.33 points per shot





1.17 is actually extremely low for a big man




i'm guessing its due to only shooting 46% ... not great for a big


that and lou williams goes to the line 5 times per 11 shots and hits 2 threes a game

aldridge goes to the line only 5 times per 20 shots and hits just 1 three a game







http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0162fbe3e653970d-pi


>>>>>



http://www.portlandmercury.com/binary/3051/1256167511-lamarcus_monies.jpg

What do you know, a Kobe fan cares mostly about points. Ironically though, he also talks about efficiency.

[Legends66NBA7]

Rodney Stuckey got the same contract Lou got this off season... and this is Lou coming off a Sixth man of the year award season.

Lou is not that valuable it seems, on whatever contract.