cure for cancer exists but goverment and pharmaceutical companys cover it up

[King Jane]

it sickens me

cures exist but its bein hidden by greedy corporate pigs and corrupt goverments

just like cure for aids but its only reserved for millionaires and society elite

when will someone take these pigs down already average humans finna live 50 years more if this stuff got leaked smdh

[Draz]

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't doubt it. We're overpopulating.. The last thing the government wants is to manage more people.

But then there's a part of me that says.. Maybe it doesn't exist.

[King Jane]

one of me mates uncles was sposed to die from cancer

a blond nurse brought him water one night even tho he said he aint thirsty an she insist he drink it

incurable cancer went away in months

he went to the hospital to thank the blond nurse and they said im sorry sir they got no blond nurse

that "nurse" put some elixer in his water that the goverment dont want us to know about and it cured him

[Velocirap31]

I'm sorry that someone you care about has cancer OP

[DeuceWallaces]

No, it doesn't exist.

[King Jane]

No, it doesn't exist.
um yes it does actually got any proof that it doesnt

didnt think so

me mates uncle is living proof it exists

[KendrickPerkins]

Not all cancers are the same. Its a very complex issue... which is why there's no one single cure for "cancer"... because, they're not all the same and its a complex issue, which is why there's no cure... because....

[Patrick Chewing]

No, it doesn't exist.


How would you know, ****face??

[Godzuki]

umm if it existed don't you think they would want to become billionaires, and the heroes of the world? they'd be treated like Einstein, Edison, etc., they'd basically be legends, filthy rich, and the heroes of the world.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

conspiracy theory that they want people to die :rolleyes:

[King Jane]

umm if it existed don't you think they would want to become billionaires, and the heroes of the world? they'd be treated like Einstein, Edison, etc., they'd basically be legends, filthy rich, and the heroes of the world.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

conspiracy theory that they want people to die :rolleyes:
um no learn how economics work mate

they make way more money hussling gimmick pharmacy pills at conflated cost

keep people sick cause they sell more gimmick medicine that way

release the cure no more sick people no more pharmacy no more money and they get poor

greedy pigs are hiding the cure for profit

[TheMarkMadsen]

so all these people working at the pharmaceutical companies sit by idly every year as they see/watch friends and relatives dying of cancer knowing there's a cure and don't do anything to help their own family/friends

..

[Godzuki]

um no learn how economics work mate

they make way more money hussling gimmick pharmacy pills at conflated cost

keep people sick cause they sell more gimmick medicine that way

release the cure no more sick people no more pharmacy no more money and they get poor

greedy pigs are hiding the cure for profit


monopolizing the market > competing with dozens of other companies for a small share of the market

besides pharmaceutical companies have their hands in a lot of different vaccines/cures/etc. oftentimes its small companies researching and when they look promising get bought out/funded by a big company. thats how pharmaceuticals work. they're all struggling to hit it big.

[DukeDelonte13]

Not all cancers are the same. Its a very complex issue... which is why there's no one single cure for "cancer"... because, they're not all the same and its a complex issue, which is why there's no cure... because....


this.

[DeuceWallaces]

um no learn how economics work mate

they make way more money hussling gimmick pharmacy pills at conflated cost

keep people sick cause they sell more gimmick medicine that way

release the cure no more sick people no more pharmacy no more money and they get poor

greedy pigs are hiding the cure for profit

Hey dumbass, cancer doesn't keep people sick, it keeps them dead. How much money can the medical industry make off dead people? A successful cancer treatment which keeps people alive is worth infinitely more than a failed one that kills people.

****ing retard.

[DeuceWallaces]

How would you know, ****face??

Because it would be a colossal medical and financial achievement that would be well publicized you dipshit.

[gts]

If there was a cure for cancer it would be in use because the $$$ that would be brought in would be staggering

Drugs that help beat cancer now are expensive as shit and they don't always work, even one that worked 90% on even one or two types of cancer would make a lot of people very very wealthy

Dumb thread by an even dumber poster

[Akrazotile]

If any person or company out there announced they had a cure for cancer, and they actually said "But I'm gonna try and make a nice profit off this baby, so get ready to pony up!" the outrage would be overwhelming. People would insist the government get involved and get that shit out there for free. This is simply the reality. Look at all the occupy wall street angst over oil profits. And oil isnt even life or death. Imagine a company with a cure for cancer tryin to make profit. Itd be an epic shitstorm.

Treatments are intensive, theres equipment costs and labor costs, lots and lots of visits. Not to mention the billions in donations that flow in each year to fund the researchers.

If someone found a pill or some easily replicable trick to make cancer go away real quick, theyd have no chance to make a profit off it. The people would force the government to seize it and supply it for free.

Treatment is far more profitable. I'm not saying there is a cure thats being hidden somewhere or that there arent researchers genuinely looking for one. Just that research and treatment is far more financially profitable than a cure. Take it for what its worth.

[Big_Dogg]

There is a lot of available research that shows weed oil extract is effective against about 90+% of human cancer cells

Just saying

[nathanjizzle]

there are cures for cancer that some doctors know works but would never recommend them.

also, cancer is like mother earths antidote to a virus being human civilization. if there were a cure for it, mother earth would be in danger of actually dying.

[Godzuki]

If any person or company out there announced they had a cure for cancer, and they actually said "But I'm gonna try and make a nice profit off this baby, so get ready to pony up!" the outrage would be overwhelming. People would insist the government get involved and get that shit out there for free. This is simply the reality. Look at all the occupy wall street angst over oil profits. And oil isnt even life or death. Imagine a company with a cure for cancer tryin to make profit. Itd be an epic shitstorm.

Treatments are intensive, theres equipment costs and labor costs, lots and lots of visits. Not to mention the billions in donations that flow in each year to fund the researchers.

If someone found a pill or some easily replicable trick to make cancer go away real quick, theyd have no chance to make a profit off it. The people would force the government to seize it and supply it for free.

Treatment is far more profitable. I'm not saying there is a cure thats being hidden somewhere or that there arent researchers genuinely looking for one. Just that research and treatment is far more financially profitable than a cure. Take it for what its worth.


well it happened with HIV. Magic could afford the pills even if it cost him millions but most others couldn't. theres probably all kinds of privileged specialized treatment for things only the wealthy have privy to.

besides the brunt of the costs would be covered by healthcare/governments. they're already paying out a fortune to pharmaceutical companies so patients can afford the medicines. it wouldn't be too much different than now. thats what would happen with a cancer pill.

who cares about long term split profit when you've just beaten the entire game. might as well cash in on it before someone else does.

[Norcaliblunt]

Orgone energy

Gerson therapy

Cannabis therapy

Raw food diets

Etc

Etc

Etc

They just don't work for everyone and all cancers.

I don't trust most doctors though. Myself and a few family members have had a bunch of health issues doctors told us were either incurable or we would have to use pharmaceutical's for the rest of our lives, but we were able to reverse with diet changes and stuff like yoga.

I've been told over and over that eating raw meat will kill me but all it does is promote good health for me.

[Draz]

Isn't keeping them alive through treatment bringing in more money than an instant cure that can probably one day hit the black market and inflate prices?

[Norcaliblunt]

Real preventive medicine is pretty much suppressed as well.

[Dresta]

OP is a ****ing retard. Cancer, by its very nature, is something that can never be cured or eradicated

Read Mel Greaves's book - he's a really smart guy who knows 1000x more about the subject than you:

http://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Evolutionary-Legacy-Mel-Greaves/dp/0192628348

Pity he's been hampered by his wife having ms - had dinner with them once and it was such a sad thing to see. Life is cruel, and morons like OP can't deal with this and so need to personify all bad things that happen - someone has to be at fault, always! Basically, the mind of a pampered imbecile.

If you want an outrageous conspiracy-like thing to moan about then i suggest you look at the absurd DSM classification system and the pact between the state, psychiatrists and pharmaceutical industry to get everyone on ineffective anti-depressants (not organised btw, just different groups following their own interests).

[TripleA]

Guys you do know your responding to a troll.:lol

[Norcaliblunt]

OP is a ****ing retard. Cancer, by its very nature, is something that can never be cured or eradicated

Read Mel Greaves's book - he's a really smart guy who knows 1000x more about the subject than you:

http://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Evolutionary-Legacy-Mel-Greaves/dp/0192628348

Pity he's been hampered by his wife having ms - had dinner with them once and it was such a sad thing to see. Life is cruel, and morons like OP can't deal with this and so need to personify all bad things that happen - someone has to be at fault, always! Basically, the mind of a pampered imbecile.

If you want an outrageous conspiracy-like thing to moan about then i suggest you look at the absurd DSM classification system and the pact between the state, psychiatrists and pharmaceutical industry to get everyone on ineffective anti-depressants (not organised btw, just different groups following their own interests).

Thanks for the book recommendation I'm going to check it out.

[shlver]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867411001279

The hallmarks of cancer comprise six biological capabilities acquired during the multistep development of human tumors. The hallmarks constitute an organizing principle for rationalizing the complexities of neoplastic disease. They include sustaining proliferative signaling, evading growth suppressors, resisting cell death, enabling replicative immortality, inducing angiogenesis, and activating invasion and metastasis. Underlying these hallmarks are genome instability, which generates the genetic diversity that expedites their acquisition, and inflammation, which fosters multiple hallmark functions.

The reason we don't have a cure for cancer is because of the complexity of how it arises. The articled linked above outlines the different requirements for cancer progression and each of them are underlined by changes in gene expression. Naturally, we would assume the most direct way to treat cancer would be through gene therapy but our currently biotechnology has not achieved the means to efficiently and site specifically incorporate genes. Even when these methods are fully developed and work properly, cancer is not one disease. Cancer is a product of a set of mutations meaning gene therapy is personalized to each patient. Suggesting there is a one cure-for-all shows complete ignorance on the topic.

[EricGordon23]

I wish. Last November I had to watch my mom die from this. I still havent recovered. The doctor told us she had 18 months she died in 5. Cancer sucks and i doubt they find a cure ever.

[Mirror]

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't doubt it. We're overpopulating.. The last thing the government wants is to manage more people.

But then there's a part of me that says.. Maybe it doesn't exist.

The money angle is probably more likely. Why cure the disease when you can treat it and milk people for 20 years instead.

[gts]

While there are many successful treatments today that didn't exist just a couple decades ago, a wholesale "cure for cancer" remains elusive for many reasons. There are more than 100 types of cancer, characterized by abnormal cell growth. There are many different causes, ranging from radiation to chemicals to viruses; an individual has varying degrees of control over exposure to cancer-causing agents.

Cancer cells, and how they grow, remain unpredictable and in some cases mysterious. Even after seemingly effective treatments, crafty cancer cells are able to hide out in some patients and resurface.

http://www.livescience.com/11041-10-deadliest-cancers-cure.html

[~primetime~]

People thinking that the cure is out and med companies are conspiring are obviously foolish but the few in here claiming there can be no one cure for all are also being foolish. There may be ways to advance the human immune system to kill all cancer types. There is a lot going on currently for cancer treatment, it changes drastically with each year.

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/538441/biotechs-coming-cancer-cure/


Also, keep in mind, for cancer patients that are not stage 4, chemotherapy DOES cure cancer for many. Just seems like some of you are making it out as though the idea of a cure is laughable, but survival rates get higher with each passing year. In the grand scheme of things we are just starting to learn how to battle cancer, eventually we will figure out how to eradicate it completely. There is no doubt in my mind it will happen eventually, hopefully in my lifetime but probably not.

[Dresta]

People thinking that the cure is out and med companies are conspiring are obviously foolish but the few in here claiming there can be no one cure for all are also being foolish. There may be ways to advance the human immune system to kill all cancer types. There is a lot going on currently for cancer treatment, it changes drastically with each year.

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/538441/biotechs-coming-cancer-cure/


Also, keep in mind, for cancer patients that are not stage 4, chemotherapy DOES cure cancer for many. Just seems like some of you are making it out as though the idea of a cure is laughable, but survival rates get higher with each passing year. In the grand scheme of things we are just starting to learn how to battle cancer, eventually we will figure out how to eradicate it completely. There is no doubt in my mind it will happen eventually, hopefully in my lifetime but probably not.You really don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, as usual. I swear, people like you actually think science is a magical force that's going to allow you to live forever; it's rather pathetic and deluded, really.

If you think there can be a single cure-all for cancer then you really don't know anything about cancer, so why are you offering such an ignorant opinion backed up by an article that doesn't even hint at a cure-all? To think that it is even a possibility is to ignore the nature of cancers, which continue to evolve, like all life forms. Each individual tumour is unique, so improving the prognosis and extending survival rates across the board is not a cure, nor even an indication of there being a cure. Targeted therapies usually see a fall-off after their initial success - why do you think that is?

Where there is life there is cancer; no matter how much you wanna talk about 'battling' it will never be 'eradicated,' and tbh, even the use of such language is childish.

[~primetime~]

Did you even read the link? Meh, it's Dresta, obviously you'll just say the link is hogwash.

Again, chemo will cure just about all cancers that are not stage 4... So we already have something that can "cure all" that isn't too far advanced. The idea that we aren't capable of advancing past cancer is ignorant, you have a Flux Capacitor in your car? Let me borrow please.

[~primetime~]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/03/27/scientists-find-treatment-to-kill-every-kind-cancer-tumor/


This protein is produced in healthy blood cells, but researchers at Stanford University found that cancer cells produced an inordinate amount of the protein thus tricking the immune system into not destroying the harmful cells.

With this observation in mind, the researchers built an antibody that blocked cancer's CD47 so that the body's immune system attacked the dangerous cells.

So far, researchers have used the antibody in mice with human breast, ovary, colon, bladder, brain, liver and prostate tumors transplanted into them. In each of the cases the antibody forced the mice's immune system to kill the cancer cells.


^^^ that was two years ago, the drug is currently undergoing trials in humans. Stanford is getting large amounts of grant money for this.

[Dresta]

Did you even read the link? Meh, it's Dresta, obviously you'll just say the link is hogwash.

Again, chemo will cure just about all cancers that are not stage 4... So we already have something that can "cure all" that isn't too far advanced. The idea that we aren't capable of advancing past cancer is ignorant, you have a Flux Capacitor in your car? Let me borrow please.
You really don't understand what the word 'cure' means do you? Sending a cancer into remission by flushing your body with poison is not a "cure" - it's just the best thing we've got, aside from targeted therapies, whose successes are more often than not short-lived.

Again, you don't know what the **** you're talking about, so why don't you shut up and stick to a topic you actually know about, like video games or something?

[nathanjizzle]

I wish. Last November I had to watch my mom die from this. I still havent recovered. The doctor told us she had 18 months she died in 5. Cancer sucks and i doubt they find a cure ever.

sorry for your loss bro. did she undergo any treatment? did she make a diet change or exercise? how do you think she got the cancer?

[masonanddixon]

lol I love it when someone says 'cure for cancer'. Thats how you know immediately it's a mouth breather.

[Nanners]

there wont be a cure for cancer for quite a while, its going to take nanobots or some kind of crazy future science shit to cure cancer.

[masonanddixon]

there wont be a cure for cancer for quite a while, its going to take nanobots or some kind of crazy future science shit like that to cure cancer.


Thats not true at all. Breast cancer has almost a 100% 5 yr survival rate, colorectal has similar yields. Thats shit that not even 20 years ago were a death sentence. And chemotherapy plays a role in both those solid tumors.

The immediate future is in stereotactic radiation therapy which is going to revolutionise treatment of all brain cancers except for GBM.

I'm amazed at how ignorant people/conspiracy goons are about the strides that have been make in cancer treatment. In 20 years or so, most cancers will become chronic diseases like COPD or coronary artery disease rather than the death sentence they were just a decade or two ago.

[masonanddixon]

I honestly wish conspiracy theorists would have the balls to walk into a cancer ward, go into a patient's room, and tell the patient that everything is a fraud, cancer is all a lie, and the secret is out, and they are being played the fool.

They'd then quickly realize that they are biggest piece of shit in existence.

[NumberSix]

Make a ni** a wanna stay on tour for days.

[~primetime~]

You really don't understand what the word 'cure' means do you? Sending a cancer into remission by flushing your body with poison is not a "cure" - it's just the best thing we've got, aside from targeted therapies, whose successes are more often than not short-lived.

Again, you don't know what the **** you're talking about, so why don't you shut up and stick to a topic you actually know about, like video games or something?
No you don't know what the word cure means. Chemotherapy is capable of destroying cancer cells to the point that they are no longer detectable in the body and can not grow back. Millions of people have literally been cured of cancer via chemotherapy.

I've lost loved ones to cancer, like many in here I'm sure, this isn't a subject I haven't looked into. Relatively speaking we are just starting to figure out the best ways to deal with cancer, every year survival rates go up and I don't see why they would ever stop going up.

Try reading the link I posted.

[nathanjizzle]

No you don't know what the word cure means. Chemotherapy is capable of destroying cancer cells to the point that they are no longer detectable in the body and can not grow back. Millions of people have literally been cured of cancer via chemotherapy.

I've lost loved ones to cancer, like many in here I'm sure, this isn't a subject I haven't looked into. Relatively speaking we are just starting to figure out the best ways to deal with cancer, every year survival rates go up and I don't see why they would ever stop going up.

Try reading the link I posted.

leave him alone!

[riseagainst]

Some people just do not get how greedy corporations work. Most of them do not care about the well being of the people, they care about money. If there really is a cure, obviously they would not let it out because it's probably going to be a 1 time use. They want long term income, something that gets the people to come back over and over again.

the reason why every alleged treatment for cancer except for chemo are banned/illegal in the U.S. is because the pharmaceutical companies want to make money while keeping the patients sick for as long as possible.... to make more money. If they get better, they don't get income.

If you have cancer and you want to get better while not suffering from hair loss, weakened state, and just an overall suffering in life, you should go to Mexico and get cured there by having an organic diet and a peaceful life style. This is actually banned in the U.S. because companies pay the government big bucks to keep people sick while they rake in the greens.

[RidonKs]

cure for cancer
cure for aids
make a ***** wanna stay on tour for days


goddamnit late to the party

[DeuceWallaces]

"We basically cure all cancers not stage IV"

Classic ~PT~

[Derka]

You could never keep that a secret. Ever. There ARE people in the pharmaceutical industry and in government who do have consciences and would spill the beans, complete with accompanying documentation and photographs.

This is to say nothing of the fact that the second a pharmacy company patents a successful cancer cure/vaccine, barring that such a thing can actually exist at all...its game over. They pretty much win all of the world's money ever.

[~primetime~]

"We basically cure all cancers not stage IV"

Classic ~PT~
Yeah that's not what I said at all... Good try though

[Yoda]

You could never keep that a secret. Ever. There ARE people in the pharmaceutical industry and in government who do have consciences and would spill the beans, complete with accompanying documentation and photographs.

This is to say nothing of the fact that the second a pharmacy company patents a successful cancer cure/vaccine, barring that such a thing can actually exist at all...its game over. They pretty much win all of the world's money ever.

Underestimate the power of the dark side you do.

[shlver]

No you don't know what the word cure means. Chemotherapy is capable of destroying cancer cells to the point that they are no longer detectable in the body and can not grow back. Millions of people have literally been cured of cancer via chemotherapy.

I've lost loved ones to cancer, like many in here I'm sure, this isn't a subject I haven't looked into. Relatively speaking we are just starting to figure out the best ways to deal with cancer, every year survival rates go up and I don't see why they would ever stop going up.

Try reading the link I posted.
Millions huh?:facepalm

[~primetime~]

Millions huh?:facepalm
Well that was assumed but maybe...I see around 650k receive chemo treatment each year, and survival rates are usually high if detected early so...maybe millions, idk.

My point to Dresta, who thinks it is literally impossible for us to ever 'cure cancer' at any time in the future, was that there are many have already been cured.

[shlver]

Well that was assumed but maybe...I see around 650k receive chemo treatment each year, and survival rates are usually high if detected early so...maybe millions, idk.

My point to Dresta, who thinks it is literally impossible for us to ever 'cure cancer' at any time in the future, was that there are many have already been cured.
When detected early, treatment plans include ectomies, not chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is recommended at stage 3-4 and curative benefits are well below 50% for the majority of cancers so your figure of millions is way off the mark.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630849

The overall contribution of curative and adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adults was estimated to be 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the USA.
That is not to say chemotherapy does not work. Specific regimens of chemotherapy work well for specific types of cancer, but not so well for others. Still, chemotherapy is not a cure all like you suggest.

[hateraid]

Cancer, most likely not. Cure for the common cold? That may be a up for speculation...

[~primetime~]

When detected early, treatment plans include ectomies, not chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is recommended at stage 3-4 and curative benefits are well below 50% for the majority of cancers so your figure of millions is way off the mark.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630849

That is not to say chemotherapy does not work. Specific regimens of chemotherapy work well for specific types of cancer, but not so well for others. Still, chemotherapy is not a cure all as you suggest.
I'm not suggested chemo is a 100% 'cure all'...Obviously I wasn't suggesting cancer has already been completely eradicated by chemo. Again, my point with that was that many have been 'cured' already.

and cured by other methods as well...radiation, surgery, etc...combos of those. ..survival rates are still going up for most cancers and why would they ever stop?

[gts]

Well that was assumed but maybe...I see around 650k receive chemo treatment each year, and survival rates are usually high if detected early so...maybe millions, idk.

My point to Dresta, who thinks it is literally impossible for us to ever 'cure cancer' at any time in the future, was that there are many have already been cured.

You're actually never totally cured from cancer, basically you're hoping you'll out live cancers return...

you have to go back year after year for blood work and follow ups. in fact some the ways they kill cancer can actually cause cancer itself... radiation and chemo both are know to bring on other forms of cancers, another reason for the follow ups.

radical radiation therapy will kill cancer cells but it does so much damage that you're actually gambling that the "cure" doesn't kill you years down the road... many forms of leukemia are cause by radiation therapy

Chemo causes some forms of leukemia, lymphoma being the most common

both of the above are nearly impossible to beat if you should get them because of their root cause

lastly some cancers don't even respond to chemo or radiation at all... radiation may work on one but have no effect on another type, chemo can kill cancers cells of one type but may not even dent another

in any form of treatment you're not curing cancer, you're killing it off, driving it into dormancy but even one cell left alive can come back years later and wreak havoc all over again

[~primetime~]

You're actually never totally cured from cancer, basically you're hoping you'll out live cancers return...

In some cases they are...it is capable of curing cancer completely.


What does chemotherapy do?

Depending on your type of cancer and how advanced it is, chemotherapy can:

Cure cancer - when chemotherapy destroys cancer cells to the point that your doctor can no longer detect them in your body and they will not grow back.

Control cancer - when chemotherapy keeps cancer from spreading, slows its growth, or destroys cancer cells that have spread to other parts of your body.

Ease cancer symptoms (also called palliative care) - when chemotherapy shrinks tumors that are causing pain or pressure.
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/questions-answers-chemotherapy

[KendrickPerkins]

In some cases they are...it is capable of curing cancer completely.


http://www.webmd.com/cancer/questions-answers-chemotherapy
You just ignored everything he had to say and quoted one sentence from webmd stating a vague description of what chemo "can" do.

:facepalm

[Mirror]

Cancer, most likely not. Cure for the common cold? That may be a up for speculation...

The cure for the cold is chicken noodle soup, crackers, and 7-Up.

[~primetime~]

You just ignored everything he had to say and quoted one sentence from webmd stating a vague description of what chemo "can" do.

:facepalm
the entire point with this chemo debate that i've been strawmanned into is that it has cured cancer for many...and it has

I don't really debate the rest of what he said

[gts]

The cure for the cold is chicken noodle soup, crackers, and 7-Up.
yep.. mom's Penicillin

[KendrickPerkins]

the entire point with this chemo debate that i've been strawmanned into is that it has cured cancer for many...and it has

I don't really debate the rest of what he said
But that's not a reliable cure, and you know that.

It's fighting poison with poison. Yes, under some circumstances someone can be cured, we know that.

But it's light years away from being a true "cure". Now we're just arguing semantics.

[~primetime~]

But that's not a reliable cure, and you know that.

It's fighting poison with poison. Yes, under some circumstances someone can be cured, we know that.

But it's light years away from being a true "cure". Now we're just arguing semantics.
I do know that...yes

again, my only point was that many have in fact been 'cured'


not sure about the 'light years' thing though...the Stanford CD47 stuff sounds very promising IMO

[~primetime~]

http://www.forschenheiltkrebs.eu/public/img/non_layout/projekt/DIRECT_ueberlebensraten_english_WR_101208.jpg

^^^ that is what 50 years has done to children's cancers

Imagine another 50...100...200

[Dresta]

You're actually never totally cured from cancer, basically you're hoping you'll out live cancers return...

you have to go back year after year for blood work and follow ups. in fact some the ways they kill cancer can actually cause cancer itself... radiation and chemo both are know to bring on other forms of cancers, another reason for the follow ups.

radical radiation therapy will kill cancer cells but it does so much damage that you're actually gambling that the "cure" doesn't kill you years down the road... many forms of leukemia are cause by radiation therapy

Chemo causes some forms of leukemia, lymphoma being the most common

both of the above are nearly impossible to beat if you should get them because of their root cause

lastly some cancers don't even respond to chemo or radiation at all... radiation may work on one but have no effect on another type, chemo can kill cancers cells of one type but may not even dent another

in any form of treatment you're not curing cancer, you're killing it off, driving it into dormancy but even one cell left alive can come back years later and wreak havoc all over again
Basically this. Primetime being an ignorant d-bag as usual - man has read a couple of over-optimistic articles on some website and now he thinks he's an expert on the subject of cancer. Doesn't matter that some on here clearly know far more than he does, a cure is on the way!!

Post all the charts you like, but these treatments aren't really 'cures' and they have diminishing returns (i.e. the survival rates will increase slower and slower). Not to mention how you've completely ignored the many cancers with woeful survival rates, and that most who are 'cured' never really live without the threat of a relapse or recurrence.

No one didn't say some of the milder cancers like hodgkins lymphoma aren't pretty easy to treat, and are more or less curable. That isn't the same as expecting cancer to be 'cured' - anyone who uses this kind of language is scientifically illiterate.

[~primetime~]

You came in here claiming that cancer is something that will literally never be cured which is a ridiculous statement IMO and I was just pointing out that many have literally been 'cured' already. I really didn't want to focus on 'chemo' at all in here. But since we have already gone there...


you said -


Sending a cancer into remission by flushing your body with poison is not a "cure"

gts said -


You're actually never totally cured from cancer

those statements aren't true for many people

[bladefd]

Not all cancers are the same. Its a very complex issue... which is why there's no one single cure for "cancer"... because, they're not all the same and its a complex issue, which is why there's no cure... because....

Plus, it's not always easy to diagnose every type of cancer. Some are very hard to diagnose until they spread. Diagnosing differs, treatments differ, medications differ, symptoms differ from cancer-to-cancer due to cancer occurring in different types of cells. There is no 1-single treatment/cure for cancer and may never be.

Random fact.. I remember reading somewhere that every person has tumor-causing cells in their bodies. Of course, they don't become cancer for all of us because your body keeps them in check. When those tumor-causing cells are triggered into duplicating nonstop out of control in one area or another, we call it cancer. Then, of course, these cells could spread to other areas of your body, and your body begins to fight an endless flurry of battles everywhere in your body.

[bladefd]

Some people just do not get how greedy corporations work. Most of them do not care about the well being of the people, they care about money. If there really is a cure, obviously they would not let it out because it's probably going to be a 1 time use. They want long term income, something that gets the people to come back over and over again.

While you're right in holding that perspective, why has there been no whistleblowers if a "cure" exists for cancer? To hide something of THAT magnitude hidden for any period of time would be mind-boggling.

Derka makes solid counter-argument:


You could never keep that a secret. Ever. There ARE people in the pharmaceutical industry and in government who do have consciences and would spill the beans, complete with accompanying documentation and photographs.

This is to say nothing of the fact that the second a pharmacy company patents a successful cancer cure/vaccine, barring that such a thing can actually exist at all...its game over. They pretty much win all of the world's money ever.

You, sir, are correct.

[EricGordon23]

sorry for your loss bro. did she undergo any treatment? did she make a diet change or exercise? how do you think she got the cancer?

Well my mom started having leg pain about a year before that. She went to our family doctor and the doctor just kept on saying it was her cyadic nerve and needed physio. Then may 1st 2014 she woke up and couldnt walk on that leg anymore. So we took her to the hospital and with one simple x- ray they said she had stage 4 cancer and said our family doctor was an idiot and she tried radiation but at that stage is pretty pointless. By month 4 she forgot who i was because the cancer in her brain was just too much to handle. No clue how she got it. She ate healthy but was not active at all.

Sorry for the bad grammar folks im on phone

[magictricked]

Cancer will never be cured because it's in our DNA, it's not a disease like a cold or polio that gets spread from person to person we get it because something in or DNA is triggered when we are exposed to certain environmental conditions or in some cases just because our body goes haywire.

[gts]

Via CDC, I'll note that the prostate is skewed because it's a very slow growing form of cancer that is normally found in old men, most men with prostate cancer die of something else before the cancer kills them plus it's a very treatable form of cancer...

As in the case of my father and uncle both lived with it for more than 10 years, in my uncles case he died of a heart attack 13 years after being diagnosed with prostate cancer and my father died of a stroke 11 years after being diagnosed with the cancer...

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[Derka]

Underestimate the power of the dark side you do.

It would take thousands of Sith-caliber human beings to keep something like this a total secret.

It would only take one good person to bring the whole thing to light.

[snipes12]

Steve jobs says hi and his a billionaire ooops i believe his dead, so he cant afford the price for the cure?

[masonanddixon]

Steve jobs says hi and his a billionaire ooops i believe his dead, so he cant afford the price for the cure?

Jobs is a ****ing moron. He had an insulinoma, literally the only form of pancreatic cancer that is curable (head of pancreas cancer has about a 6month survival) but he thought he was better than everyone else so he sat on it for years until it became malignant.

Apparently at the hospital in Memphis he was going around trying to teach all the medical staff how to run the hospital more efficiently. What a clown.

[Dresta]

Jobs is a ****ing moron. He had an insulinoma, literally the only form of pancreatic cancer that is curable (head of pancreas cancer has about a 6month survival) but he thought he was better than everyone else so he sat on it for years until it became malignant.

Apparently at the hospital in Memphis he was going around trying to teach all the medical staff how to run the hospital more efficiently. What a clown.
Just be glad he effectively killed himself, because otherwise he'd still be here being an annoying bellend and spreading his scummy marketing schemes.

[masonanddixon]

Just be glad he effectively killed himself, because otherwise he'd still be here being an annoying bellend and spreading his scummy marketing schemes.

I don't wish death on anyone, but yeah, hes a scumbag. I hate all these tech goons who think they are God when all they are are businessmen peddling devices that are ruining society. These ***** act like they're geniuses and shit when all their products are simply causing further intrusiveness, loss of civil libeerties, and loss of any form of personal privacy.

[Ass Dan]

it sickens me

cures exist but its bein hidden by greedy corporate pigs and corrupt goverments

just like cure for aids but its only reserved for millionaires and society elite

when will someone take these pigs down already average humans finna live 50 years more if this stuff got leaked smdh


Yes, that is how things work.

The f*ck some of you are still retarded after all these nonsense conspiracies fade away???