2006 LeBron vs 2006 Kobe

[Papaya Petee]

31/7/7 47% FG Cleveland 50-32

35/5/5 45% FG Lakers 45-37

Better season??

[TheMarkMadsen]

why did you round Kobe's assist down and round Lebron's up..:lol :lol

anyways Kobe was easily the better player.. not close really.. Lebron at that point had more holes in his game than swiss cheese, coupled with suspect defense

Kobe was the total package at that point, had no weakness in his offensive game, could score from anywhere on the court which was demonstrated by his multiple record breaking performances during that 06 & 07 season

[Real14]

Kobe had kwame brown right? :biggums:

[STATUTORY]

why did you round Kobe's assist down and round Lebron's up..:lol :lol


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron 0/6 in the finals

Kobe 7/7

after rounding

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobetards dont wanna admit this is a legit discussion

Bron a few votes off becoming the youngest MVP ever, three 40 point games in the playoffs, triple doubles, two game winners, a minute away from upsetting the Pistons. :bowdown:

In Game 7 his teammates did this: 9-41 22%

[G0ATbe]

Kobe, no contest.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Even Kobe's biggest hater, Bill Simmons thought Kobe deserved MVP in 06..


You don't know how much this kills me. Actually, you probably do. But Mamba passes all three MVP questions ...

Question No. 1: When remembering this season 10 years from now, which player will pop into your head first?

Answer: Kobe. The dude scored 62 in three quarters against Dallas, then 81 against Toronto a few weeks later. He's about to become the fifth player in NBA history to average 35 points a game (along with Wilt, MJ, Elgin and Rick Barry). He made up with Shaq. He made up with Phil. He made up with Nike. He appeared on the cover of Slam Magazine with a Mamba snake wrapped around him. He did everything but make the obligatory cameo on "Will and Grace." No player took more abuse from writers, broadcasters and radio hosts this season, but Kobe seemed to feed off that negative energy. It was almost Bondsian. And just when it kept seeming like he might wear down, he'd toss up another 50 just to keep you on your toes. Kobe was relentless. That's the best way to describe him this season.

Question No. 2: In the proverbial giant pickup game with every NBA player waiting to play, who would be the first player picked this season?

Answer: Kobe. He's the best all-around player in the league, the best scorer, the best competitor, and the one guy who terrifies everyone else. Plus, if you DIDN'T pick him, he would make it his mission to haunt you on the other team.

Question No. 3: If you replaced every MVP candidate with a decent player at their position for the entire season, what would be the effect on their teams' records?

Answer: If you replaced Kobe with a decent 2-guard (someone like Jamal Crawford) for the entire 2005-06 Lakers season, they would have won between 15 and 20 games. I can say that in complete confidence. Terrible team. When Smush Parker and Kwame Brown are your third- and fourth-best players, you shouldn't even be allowed to watch the playoffs on TV. Throw Kobe in the mix and they're headed for 45 wins. So he's been worth 25 victories for them. Minimum.

In a weird way, Kobe ended up getting what he always wanted: The Lakers completely revolve around him. He gets to shoot 25-30 times per game. He gets to take every big shot at crunch-time. He gets all the credit. Nobody else on the team dares to challenge him. And even better, because he lucked out with the only possible coach who could make this cockamamie situation work, his supporting cast kills itself to make him look good.

Basically, he's Elvis and everyone else is Joe Esposito. And it's working! That's the crazy thing.

Now they're a sleeper in the West -- seriously, do you think Phoenix wants any part of them in Round 1? -- and have the only player in the league who can win a playoff series by himself. He's the Black Mamba, he's Kobe Bryant, he's the 2006 MVP, and since we finally have that settled, I will now light myself on fire.

interesting to read his take on everybody else that year

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060414

[imnew09]

LEast was trash that year. East is simply a fken joke :facepalm

[DirkNowitzki41]

lebron

[DFish24]

The closer comparison would be '09 Lebron and '06 Kobe.

[ArbitraryWater]

this dude relies on a Bill Simmons link when he tries to disregard anything else he says :lol :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe's refined skills and intangibles (better shooter from all areas on the floor along with being the better defender and clutch player) make this a lopsided comparison.

The answer is Kobe. Every time.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe's refined skills and intangibles (better shooter from all areas on the floor along with being the better defender and clutch player) make this a lopsided comparison.

The answer is Kobe. Every time.

All that.. yet somehow LeBron had a better post-season. Amaaaaazing.. no really.

[Droid101]

Decently close, but Kobe.

And yes, OP's bias showing, lol.

Also AW holding a bunch of L's as usual.

Good thread.

[dubeta]

LeBron, not close

+2 rebounds +2 assists +3fg% +5 regular season wins +more playoff success


^


Can anyone PLEASE argue the above statement


If you think Kobe was better, argue the above. Don't tell me Kobe just because "B-But I like Kobe better therefore he MUST be better than LeBron :cry: "

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

All that.. yet somehow LeBron had a better post-season. Amaaaaazing.. no really.

He had a "better post-season" because he played in a shit conference. Suns vs Wizards. Yeah tough choice.. :lol

Nobody thought LeBron was better that year. Even with his one more round won in the playoffs.

[dubeta]

The fact that a 20-21 year old LeBron was STILL better than an absolute peak Kobe is something Kobe fans cannot psychologically handle, and FORCE themselves to disbelieve (ie. They go to sleep and try and convince themselves Kobe was better) this hurts Kobe stans to no avail.

[ArbitraryWater]

He had a "better post-season" because he played in a shit conference. Suns vs Wizards. Yeah tough choice.. :lol

Nobody thought LeBron was better that year. Even with his one more round won in the playoffs.

Suns without Amar'e are a whole lot less of a powerhouse than they are with him, you know that..

the Wizards actually had the better defense, so you better make your argument with something else.

waiting doe

[Wade's Rings]

LEast was trash that year. East is simply a fken joke :facepalm

Pistons had the best Record in the NBA, Elite Defenses :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

He had a "better post-season" because he played in a shit conference. Suns vs Wizards. Yeah tough choice.. :lol

Nobody thought LeBron was better that year. Even with his one more round won in the playoffs.
lol Kobe would have murdered the Wizards with this roster easy. branstans trying to act like beating them is some kind of accomplishment. :lol

[Done_And_Done]

Honestly dude.... No disrespect to OP who gives a shit who had a better individual season nearly 10 years ago. This place is getting played out...

[Milbuck]

He had a "better post-season" because he played in a shit conference. Suns vs Wizards. Yeah tough choice.. :lol

Nobody thought LeBron was better that year. Even with his one more round won in the playoffs.
Seriously. It's just box score driven revisionist history.

Harden: 27/6/7/2/1 on 61% TS, Rockets 56-26
Lebron: 25/6/7/2/1 on 58% TS, Cavaliers 53-29

Playoffs:

Harden: 27/6/8/2 on 62% TS
Lebron: 30/11/9/2/1 on 49% TS

And yet, who on here seriously thinks Harden > Lebron this year?

[ArbitraryWater]

The fact that a 20-21 year old LeBron was STILL better than an absolute peak Kobe is something Kobe fans cannot psychologically handle, and FORCE themselves to disbelieve (ie. They go to sleep and try and convince themselves Kobe was better) this hurts Kobe stans to no avail.

you'd expect peak Kobe to do some big time shit in the playoffs.. blow out a 3rd-year LeBron... he didn't.. hell, he didnt even outplay him.. the standarts have fallen lowwww.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Suns without Amar'e are a whole lot less of a powerhouse than they are with him, you know that..

I know that they went to the WCF without Amare, and played the Mavs tough every game.


the Wizards actually had the better defense, so you better make your argument with something else.

The Wizards had a terrible defense, and are in the east. You're playing catchup again.

:no:

[ArbitraryWater]

Seriously. It's just box score driven revisionist history.

Harden: 27/6/7/2/1 on 61% TS, Rockets 56-26
Lebron: 25/6/7/2/1 on 58% TS, Cavaliers 53-29

Playoffs:

Harden: 27/6/8/2 on 62% TS
Lebron: 30/11/9/2/1 on 49% TS

And yet, who on here seriously thinks Harden > Lebron this year?

Might aswell compare rookie MJ to 2008 KB now... you'd troll (like I would) if one does that, but they're actually from the same damn year... and a peak Kobe couldn't outplay him in the playoffs.. LeBron at such a young age already did more all-around work for his team than Kobe. Just a fact some of y'all need to cope with :confusedshrug:

edit: I remember you said something about Harden that those stats dont do a complete job of representing his actual game impact.. well thats Harden, not LeBron.

[Droid101]

Seriously. It's just box score driven revisionist history.

Harden: 27/6/7/2/1 on 61% TS, Rockets 56-26
Lebron: 25/6/7/2/1 on 58% TS, Cavaliers 53-29

Playoffs:

Harden: 27/6/8/2 on 62% TS
Lebron: 30/11/9/2/1 on 49% TS

And yet, who on here seriously thinks Harden > Lebron this year?
branstans have to say Harden, because that's their criteria for rating 2006 bran over 2006 Bean.

Basically, they're ****ing stupid and shall remain a laughing stock of the forum as usual. Lebran famiLy hoLd these L's.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Seriously. It's just box score driven revisionist history.

Harden: 27/6/7/2/1 on 61% TS, Rockets 56-26
Lebron: 25/6/7/2/1 on 58% TS, Cavaliers 53-29

Playoffs:

Harden: 27/6/8/2 on 62% TS
Lebron: 30/11/9/2/1 on 49% TS

And yet, who on here seriously thinks Harden > Lebron this year?

Well, Harden > LeBron because I started watching basketball 3 years ago.

[dubeta]

Seriously. It's just box score driven revisionist history.

Harden: 27/6/7/2/1 on 61% TS, Rockets 56-26
Lebron: 25/6/7/2/1 on 58% TS, Cavaliers 53-29

Playoffs:

Harden: 27/6/8/2 on 62% TS
Lebron: 30/11/9/2/1 on 49% TS

And yet, who on here seriously thinks Harden > Lebron this year?


LeBron had better playoff stats and playoff success this year so LeBron is better.


Meanwhile in 2006 LeBron rebounded more, assisted more, more efficient, more wins, and had more playoff success than Kobe


The Harden-LeBron analogy is not the best fit here

[Cone]

Lebron James easily

[dubeta]

LeBron, not close

+2 rebounds +2 assists +3fg% +5 regular season wins +more playoff success


^


Can anyone PLEASE argue the above statement


If you think Kobe was better, argue the above. Don't tell me Kobe just because "B-But I like Kobe better therefore he MUST be better than LeBron :cry: "



Answer this question or GTFO


This Kobe worshiping has to stop


Yes his 2006 year was good but LeBron was still better

[ArbitraryWater]

I know that they went to the WCF without Amare, and played the Mavs tough every game.



The Wizards had a terrible offense, and are in the east. You're playing catchup again.

:no:

So now to a superstars statistics (offensive + rebounding), the opposition's OFFENSE is more indicative of them preventing those stats than their defense?

Mighty, you teaching me new things every day on here... :bowdown:









































































































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[Milbuck]

Might aswell compare rookie MJ to 2008 KB now... you'd troll (like I would) if one does that, but they're actually from the same damn year... and a peak Kobe couldn't outplay him in the playoffs.. LeBron at such a young age already did more all-around work for his team than Kobe. Just a fact some of y'all need to cope with :confusedshrug:

edit: I remember you said something about Harden that those stats dont do a complete job of representing his actual game impact.. well thats Harden, not LeBron.
In other words, you can't refute the argument that Harden > Bron based on the numbers provided. I want a box score argument, now. None of this "the game goes beyond the numbers" mumbo jumbo.

[Droid101]

Damn, AW bodybagged as usual. Crazy. Feel bad for the guy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So now to a superstars statistics (offensive + rebounding), the opposition's OFFENSE is more indicative of them preventing those stats than their defense?

Mighty, you teaching me new things every day on here... :bowdown:

What are you trying to say here? I don't speak gibberish homie. :biggums:

The Wizards also had a shit defense (22nd ranked), and overall, were 42-40. That's not even a playoff team out West aka the big leagues. :oldlol:


In other words, you can't refute the argument that Harden > Bron based on the numbers provided. I want a box score argument, now. None of this "the game goes beyond the numbers" mumbo jumbo.

Arby's self awareness is truly unfathomable. Like...does he not realize you just shredded his argument? LOL

[ArbitraryWater]

In other words, you can't refute the argument that Harden > Bron based on the numbers provided. I want a box score argument, now. None of this "the game goes beyond the numbers" mumbo jumbo.

Jeez, the statistics do a fine job of illustrating LeBron > Kobe, unless you want to believe James Harden is actually as efficient of a scorer than peak Shaq... that he doesnt have a lack of moves, or relies heavily on referees bailing him out in tight spots when he cant get it moving other wise... the sad thing is, you know all this, you know it doesnt apply for LeBron... where he actually had 2 game WINNERS in that series, with the defenses knowing he was gonna take it.

as for kuniva: sorry buddy, the Wizards defense was better than the Suns defense, thats absolutely all that matters in this comparison.

[Papaya Petee]

:roll: I have no biases here like a few of you suggested.
Rounding down Kobes assists was a mistake
Simply bored at work and wanted to spark a quick discussion. I personally think its super close.

[dubeta]

Kobe fans... Does it hurt?


I can smell the salt from here



The slow, sad realization that Kobe was never the best player in the league :cry:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe fans... Does it hurt?


I can smell the salt from here



The slow, sad realization that Kobe was never the best player in the league :cry:

you think he had one in 2008? Cmon, we gotta give him that one.. otherwise he'd seriously have zero years lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jeez, the statistics do a fine job of illustrating LeBron > Kobe, unless you want to believe James Harden is actually as efficient of a scorer than peak Shaq... that he doesnt have a lack of moves, or relies heavily on referees bailing him out in tight spots when he cant get it moving other wise... the sad thing is, you know all this, you know it doesnt apply for LeBron... where he actually had 2 game WINNERS in that series, with the defenses knowing he was gonna take it.

as for kuniva: sorry buddy, the Wizards defense was better than the Suns defense, thats absolutely all that matters in this comparison.

Nah... there's no context allowed. Just numbers. Harden was clearly better as the stats suggest.

The Wizards offense wasn't better than the Suns. THAT is the difference. The fact they wouldn't be a playoff team out west aka the big leagues...says it all.

Hold this L :cheers:

[RRR3]

Based on stats and what I know Kobe. Wish I had followed NBA more back then

[dubeta]

you think he had one in 2008? Cmon, we gotta give him that one.. otherwise he'd seriously have zero years lol


Lol we'll give him 1 as a lifetime achievement award (similar to how he got his lone MVP)


Meanwhile Brons the best in the league 7 years and counting

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcMCA_sJuTo

[ArbitraryWater]

kuniva catching up? you catching up?

nah... for you as someone particularly slow: If there was more to be said 'beyond the numbers', then Kobe actually would have outplayed him in the post-season... he didn't though. LeBron also didn't pad his games in numerous postseason games, unlike Harden who surprisingly eeked some TD's out in the first 2 rounds. First time I was actually IMPRESSED was the WCF's.

I'd also like to know what stats you're looking at to come up with the conclusion of Harden being 'clearly better', even with ref baiting and everything... something you can't say for a young LeBron.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol we'll give him 1 as a lifetime achievement award (similar to how he got his lone MVP)


Meanwhile Brons the best in the league 7 years and counting

unfair comparison at this point

[dubeta]

I love these meltdowns


Keep me up :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

kuniva catching up? you catching up?

nah... for you as someone particularly slow: If there was more to be said 'beyond the numbers', then Kobe actually would have outplayed him in the post-season... he didn't though. LeBron also didn't pad his games in numerous postseason games, unlike Harden who surprisingly eeked some TD's out in the first 2 rounds. First time I was actually IMPRESSED was the WCF's.

I'd also like to know what stats you're looking at to come up with the conclusion of Harden being 'clearly better', even with ref baiting and everything... something you can't say for a young LeBron.

Uh oh.. Someone pooped their big boy pants again. :lol

If we were to go "beyond the numbers", you'd realize Kobe, with a worse cast, played a WCF finalist and better all-around team than the Wizards. The same Wizards who wouldn't be a playoff team out West.

Hold another L, you deserved it buddy.

[ArbitraryWater]

Uh oh.. Someone pooped there big boy pants again. :lol

If we were to go "beyond the numbers", you'd realize Kobe, with a worse cast, faced a WCF finalist and better all-around team than the Wizards. The same Wizards who wouldn't be a playoff team out West.

Hold another L, you deserved it buddy.

Sorry, him facing a better team when they had a worse defense isn't enough to mount the gap in actual play.. :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sorry, him facing a better team when they had a worse defense isn't enough to mount the gap in actual play.. :cheers:

:kobe:

Sorry I only talk about the big leagues. The Wizards don't quite make the list.. lol

[AintNoSunshine]

King James in his third season argurably better than Kobe at his absolute PEAK. :bowdown: :bowdown: RIP Bron-Kobe comparisons.

[ArbitraryWater]

:kobe:

Sorry I only talk about the big leagues. The Wizards don't quite make the list.. lol

okay, meltdown came quicker than I thought lol. Try to take it up the butt for Kobe in this thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381976&page=2

spin doctor boutta be at work :dancin :basketball

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

okay, meltdown came quicker than I thought lol. Try to take it up the butt for Kobe in this thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381976&page=2

spin doctor boutta be at work :dancin :basketball

Suns DRTG: 105.8 (16th of 30)
Wizards DRTG: Def Rtg: 107.3 (22nd of 30)

Damn Arby can't get anything right. :hammerhead:

So to recap: Not only wouldn't the Wizards be a playoff team out West, but they were a worse defensive team than Phoenix who were known for their offense. Ouch.

[ArbitraryWater]

Suns DRTG: 105.8 (16th of 30)
Wizards DRTG: Def Rtg: 107.3 (22nd of 30)

Damn Arby can't get anything right. :hammerhead:

So to recap: Not only wouldn't the Wizards be a playoff team out West, but they were a worse defensive team the Suns who were known for their offense. Ouch.

Try this: http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false/year/2006

I think reading should be do-able for you :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Try this: http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false/year/2006

I think reading should be do-able for you :cheers:

Why, I already have their respective defensive ratings?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2006.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html

You holding the L i gave you yet? :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kuniva got this dude so shook that he's running into other threads begging Kuniva to go there so he can change the subject

this would be like losing a fist fight, running away with your tail tucked in between your legs to a different location calling the dude who just beat your ass and be like "ha bet you won't come fight me now pussay"

AW holding dem L's

:roll: :roll:

[Milbuck]

Suns DRTG: 105.8 (16th of 30)
Wizards DRTG: Def Rtg: 107.3 (22nd of 30)

Damn Arby can't get anything right. :hammerhead:

So to recap: Not only wouldn't the Wizards be a playoff team out West, but they were a worse defensive team than Phoenix who were known for their offense. Ouch.
Yikes. Talk about shitting all over his argument.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why, I already have their respective defensive ratings?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2006.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html

You holding the L i gave you yet? :confusedshrug:

serious question: whats the difference between those stats? Drtg and defensive efficiency? Shouldnt they both cite the same? Is it that ESPN and BR do have different results at time?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kuniva got this dude so shook that he's running into other threads begging Kuniva to go there so he can change the subject

this would be like losing a fist fight, running away with your tail tucked in between your legs to a different location calling the dude who just beat your ass and be like "ha bet you won't come fight me now pussay"

AW holding dem L's

:roll: :roll:

Remember those omega yoyo's back in the 90's? I'm "walking the dog" with little Arby. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

this was the big ownage? you dont even know it yourself? damn...

anyway, I appreciate the insight you brought on this topic... on a 2nd glance, well, I'm still taking LeBron, but its definitely alot closer than I thought.. good job :cheers:

[tpols]

Wait dubs... are you comparing phoenix to the wiz ??

https://media3.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/200_s.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

Wait dubs... are you comparing phoenix to the wiz ??

https://media3.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/200_s.gif

well, I wouldnt, even though their defenses are pretty much the same, people think it makes up for the disparity in their play (LeBron's being superior)

[tpols]

well, I wouldnt, even though their defenses are pretty much the same, people think it makes up for the disparity in their play (LeBron's being superior)

https://media3.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/200_s.gif

[dubeta]

Kobe was never the best player in the league


Yes, I know it hurts

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

this was the big ownage? you dont even know it yourself? damn...

anyway, I appreciate the insight you brought on this topic... on a 2nd glance, well, I'm still taking LeBron, but its definitely alot closer than I thought.. good job :cheers:

You'll come around, Martin. I mean you're new to basketball and all right?

When did you start watching again? 3 years ago?

[ArbitraryWater]

You'll come around, Martin. I mean you're new to basketball and all right?

When did you start watching again? 3 years ago?

ironic, considering you literally said this shit ONE year ago

http://i.gyazo.com/82be742d7d6453cc40a44e7c70d7fd03.png

:roll:

Here, thankfully its back with its rightful owner now



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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm a little confused, Martin.

How does that make my post "ironic"? Take your time now. I don't want you fumbling over your words again.. :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

This dude just dipped out of the thread for 20 minutes so he could go google the fucc out of Kuniva looking for something to come back at him with :roll: :roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

big king james fan here but gotta admit kobe takes a huge dump on lebrons chest in 2006 as in almost every other year

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This dude just dipped out of the thread for 20 minutes so he could go google the fucc out of Kuniva looking for something to come back at him with :roll: :roll:

I actually feel kind of bad. Got this nigguh searching year old posts of mine, and I'm barely lifting a finger over here. :(

Lets hope Arb doesn't f*ck around and start writing my autobiography... PM me first buddy, seriously.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Got this nigguh searching year old posts of mine, and I'm barely lifting a finger over here.

alpha posting :applause:

[Poochymama]

as for kuniva: sorry buddy, the Wizards defense was better than the Suns defense, thats absolutely all that matters in this comparison.

Was it? how do you know? DRTG? Isn't defensive rating dependent on the offenses they are playing against? Which team was playing against the better offenses?

[Lebron23]

21 yrs.old LeBron was a man among boys. He finished 2nd in MVP voting behind Nash.

[Droid101]

Cringeworthy stuff from AW here. Ouch.

[ArbitraryWater]

this guy made 3 posts about me and I didn't answer back on a single one.. dat attention craving reminds me of a friends dog.. whats his name? Martin?

gonna call you Martin from now on (roflmao)

[HOoopCityJones]

AW taking it up the ass harder than Elton John on New Years Eve.

Just another day at ISH.

[Rocketswin2013]

Seriously. It's just box score driven revisionist history.

Harden: 27/6/7/2/1 on 61% TS, Rockets 56-26
Lebron: 25/6/7/2/1 on 58% TS, Cavaliers 53-29

Playoffs:

Harden: 27/6/8/2 on 62% TS
Lebron: 30/11/9/2/1 on 49% TS

And yet, who on here seriously thinks Harden > Lebron this year?
Harden was actually better in the regular season....But so was Durant in 2014... In the.playoffs, LeBron was better. Much better on defense, more consistent, and better against the Warriors overall, with a much worse roster.

BTW, Kobe was absolutely shit in the playoffs of '06 compared to his regular season production.


The closer comparison would be '09 Lebron and '06 Kobe.
Absolutely not.

[sportjames23]

I love these meltdowns


Keep me up :lol


You know they got pills for that, right?

[Magic 32]

Only a month after 2-6 and Lebron stans have fully recovered. :facepalm

When will they just....die.

[chazzy]

the Wizards actually had the better defense, so you better make your argument with something else.


Sorry, him facing a better team when they had a worse defense isn't enough to mount the gap in actual play.. :cheers:


as for kuniva: sorry buddy, the Wizards defense was better than the Suns defense, thats absolutely all that matters in this comparison.

Suns DRTG: 105.8 (16th of 30)
Wizards DRTG: Def Rtg: 107.3 (22nd of 30)

Damn Arby can't get anything right. :hammerhead:

So to recap: Not only wouldn't the Wizards be a playoff team out West, but they were a worse defensive team than Phoenix who were known for their offense. Ouch.
:roll: ouch

Seriously AW, just stick to twitter. At least you can pick and choose who you follow, so you can only hear what you want to hear in your Lebron bubble

[SexSymbol]

AW shit on so hard he can't even breath anymore.

This is an unfair comparison to LeBron, Kobe was a better player in every aspect of the game not named rebounding and even that's questionable, earlybron had a tendency to not take even one rebound that matters, just easy freebies.

[SuperPippen]

Easily Kobe. Not much of a discussion to be had.

[SuperPippen]

Only a month after 2-6 and Lebron stans have fully recovered. :facepalm

When will they just....die.


Yea, because fakkit Kobe stans like you are any less obnoxious or pathetic.

[aj1987]

Yea, because fakkit Kobe stans like you are any less obnoxious or pathetic.
:roll: :roll:

AW getting REKT in this thread. Quit posting, dude. You literally have NO basketball knowledge.

[ArbitraryWater]

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Kobe Boys taking more L's


:yaohappy:

[VIntageNOvel]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron 0/6 in the finals

Kobe 7/7

after rounding

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[aj1987]

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Kobe Boys taking more L's


:yaohappy:
0.1.... The Sun's were worse by 0.1 Eff points...:facepalm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2006.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html

[ArbitraryWater]

0.1.... The Sun's were worse by 0.1 Eff points...:facepalm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2006.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2006.html

so, Wizards allowed one less point?

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:yaohappy: y'all 2EZ man

[aj1987]

so, Wizards allowed one less point?

okthxby



:yaohappy: y'all 2EZ man
DRtg adjusts for pace...:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

DRtg adjusts for pace...:facepalm

defensive efficiency is PER 100 POSSESSIONS..... you goddamn clown.

Get outta here

[Braincells]

Colby for sure

[aj1987]

defensive efficiency is PER 100 POSSESSIONS..... you goddamn clown.

Get outta here

Again, the 0.1 difference in DefEff is negligible. It doesn't mean Washington was a powerhouse of a defensive team. DRtg is a a better measure of a teams defense, BTW.

[ArbitraryWater]

Again, the 0.1 difference in DefEff is negligible. It doesn't mean Washington was a powerhouse of a defensive team. DRtg is a a better measure of a teams defense, BTW.

They're supposed to measure the same thing :facepalm

Exactly, no one here is sticking out defensively, which is why its not enough to bridge the gap in play.. did you finally get it?

[aj1987]

They're supposed to measure the same thing :facepalm

Exactly, no one here is sticking out defensively, which is why its not enough to bridge the gap in play.. did you finally get it?
Again, you retard, I'm not saying Kobe was better than LeBron. I'm just pointing out that Suns were 16th defensively and the Wizards were 22nd.

[riseagainst]

Harden was actually better in the regular season....But so was Durant in 2014... In the.playoffs, LeBron was better. Much better on defense, more consistent, and better against the Warriors overall, with a much worse roster.

BTW, Kobe was absolutely shit in the playoffs of '06 compared to his regular season production.


Absolutely not.

let's not bring up his defense.

:lol

[Ne 1]

Kobe. 2006 is clear. Unbelievable, historic individual feats and his team overachieved too. Phil asked Kobe to carry the team until they learned the triangle, and they ended up with 45 wins in a stacked conference despite that, and not much of a cast outside of Lamar Odom who was inconsistent and didn't play like an all-star caliber player until the second half) Over 35 points per game, 81 points in a game, 62 in three quarters while outscoring the eventual Western Conference Champs through 3 quarters and most importantly, almost everyone agreed that the Lakers overachieved. He carried that team to a surprising 45 win season, the 6th seed and in the playoffs, he played team-oriented basketball while leading the Lakers to a 3-1 series lead vs Phoenix as the underdog. He did everything in his power to end the series in game 6 with a 50 point game that came in the flow of the offense, but Tim Thomas' miraculous 3s gave Phoenix the win. Kobe also hit a game-winner in game 4.

[ArbitraryWater]

Again, you retard, I'm not saying Kobe was better than LeBron. I'm just pointing out that Suns were 16th defensively and the Wizards were 22nd.

and I'm pointing out that the Wizards allowed 0.1 less points per 100 possession... (to which you said Drtg adjusts for pace..lmao)


Kobe. 2006 is clear. Unbelievable, historic individual feats and his team overachieved too. Phil asked Kobe to carry the team until they learned the triangle, and they ended up with 45 wins in a stacked conference despite that, and not much of a cast outside of Lamar Odom who was inconsistent and didn't play like an all-star caliber player until the second half) Over 35 points per game, 81 points in a game, 62 in three quarters while outscoring the eventual Western Conference Champs through 3 quarters and most importantly, almost everyone agreed that the Lakers overachieved. He carried that team to a surprising 45 win season, the 6th seed and in the playoffs, he played team-oriented basketball while leading the Lakers to a 3-1 series lead vs Phoenix as the underdog. He did everything in his power to end the series in game 6 with a 50 point game that came in the flow of the offense, but Tim Thomas' miraculous 3s gave Phoenix the win. Kobe also hit a game-winner in game 4.

are you pushing a myth of the 2006 West being a stacked conference now? There were 2 top teams (Pheonix minus Stat wasn't one of them) and the rest was blatantly average.. take a look at some of those teams. Pathetic myth making.

[tamaraw08]

LeBron, not close

+2 rebounds +2 assists +3fg% +5 regular season wins +more playoff success


^


Can anyone PLEASE argue the above statement


If you think Kobe was better, argue the above. Don't tell me Kobe just because "B-But I like Kobe better therefore he MUST be better than LeBron :cry: "

Yes, we need to just focus on the actual stats, right, because these are facts!
Now, compare the CAREER STATS/game OF Tony Parker and Jose Calderon

Parker- 6 assists,2.5 turnover, 32% 3pt, 75%-FT 1.9 rebs, .9 steals, efg% 51.1%
Calderon, 6.7 apg, 1.7tov, 41.5% 3pt, 87.5%FT, 2.5 rebs., 1.1 steals, efg%, 54%

[riseagainst]

dubeta no where to be found.
:lol

[Doranku]

Anyone who actually watched basketball during the '06 season knows that the answer is obviously Kobe.

You've got dudes in here like AW arguing and I can GUARANTEE he didn't watch a single Cavs or Lakers game that year considering he was probably like 8 or 9. :facepalm

[catch24]

Anyone who actually watched basketball during the '06 season knows that the answer is obviously Kobe.

You've got dudes in here like AW arguing and I can GUARANTEE he didn't watch a single Cavs or Lakers game that year considering he was probably like 8 or 9. :facepalm

People in here acting like playing better teams and working on both sides of the ball (7sol is arguably the greatest offense ever) doesn't exude more energy. Kobe having to work on BOTH ends of the floor along with changing his style of play for Phil (he wanted Kobe to be a facilitator and decoy for the majority of the Suns series) is providing the needed context here - a direct correlation to his stats.

All these myopic LeBron fans see are stats. Off raw data, I could argue Adrian Dantley at his peak was a better scorer than MJ. What good does that tell me if we don't have the discussion as to how and why?

[catch24]

Suns DRTG: 105.8 (16th of 30)
Wizards DRTG: Def Rtg: 107.3 (22nd of 30)

Damn Arby can't get anything right. :hammerhead:

So to recap: Not only wouldn't the Wizards be a playoff team out West, but they were a worse defensive team than Phoenix who were known for their offense. Ouch.

:biggums:

God damn...you're lighting him up, Kuniva