Mo Beta Blues: Bron or Wilt?

[andgar923]

Hate the word 'beta' but it applies.

:confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

No it doesn't. None of you morons know how to use the term correctly.

[andgar923]

No it doesn't. None of you morons know how to use the term correctly.
Then ejamecate me on how to truly describe someone that shrinks.

[RRR3]

Then ejamecate me on how to truly describe someone that shrinks.
Omega

[andgar923]

Omega
Is that the opposite of Alpha?

[RRR3]

Is that the opposite of Alpha?
Yes.

[Marchesk]

God is the Alpha and the Omega, so what does that make her?

[andgar923]

Yes.
You may very well be correct, but Beta sounds more like the type that would let someone blow in their ear during a playoff game, like the type of person that'll make Instagram posts so beta that even Drake would cringe.

Beta sounds like the type to lie about their sexual escapades and get shook by a limping player.

[Angel Face]

About the same, like grandpa like grandson. 2 of the biggest chokers in the NBA history, dominant but choking.

[RRR3]

You may very well be correct, but Beta sounds more like the type that would let someone blow in their ear during a playoff game, like the type of person that'll make Instagram posts so beta that even Drake would cringe.

Beta sounds like the type to lie about their sexual escapades and get shook by a limping player.
andgar923 sounds like a ****** who makes childish threads out of insecurity around his idols comparable players.

[andgar923]

andgar923 sounds like a ****** who makes childish threads out of insecurity around his idols comparable players.
why you mad tho?

Don't be mad :(

[Poochymama]

Not even comparable.

Bron's scoring goes up 3% in the playoffs.
Wilts scoring goes down 34%

Then you take into account that Wilt's scoring dropped another 22% in the finals. It's not even comparable.

[LAZERUSS]

Not even comparable.

Bron's scoring goes up 3% in the playoffs.
Wilts scoring goes down 34%

Then you take into account that Wilt's scoring dropped another 22% in the finals. It's not even comparable.

As John Wooden claimed...had Russell and Wilt swapped rosters (and coaches), and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

BTW, Russell FEASTED on the Lakers in FIVE Finals in the 60's (in the sixth one.,.he couldn't do anything...oh that was against WILT.)

How about this...




Here were Russell's numbers against LA in those five series:

'62:

Russell averaged 18.9 ppg on a .457 FG% in his regular season against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 22.9 ppg on a .543 FG%. Which included a game seven of 30 points and 40 rebounds.

BTW, against Wilt in the '62 EDF's: 22.0 ppg on a .399 FG%


'63:

Russell averaged 16.8 ppg on a .432 FG% in his regular season.

Against LA in the Finals: 20 ppg on a .467 FG%


'65:

Russell averaged 14.1 ppg on a .438 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 17.8 ppg on a .702 FG% (yes, .702.)

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 15.6 ppg on a .447 FG%


'66:

Russell averaged 12.9 ppg on a .415 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 23.6 ppg on a .538 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 14.0 ppg on a .423 FG%


'68:

Russell averaged 12.5 ppg on a .425 FG% against the NBA

Against LA in the Finals: 17.3 ppg on a .430 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 13.7 ppg on a .440 FG%


Oh, and here were Russell's stats in the '69 Finals against Wilt:

Regular season against the NBA: 9.9 ppg on a .433 FG%

Against Wilt in the Finals: 9.0 ppg on a .397 FG%

Again, had Wilt faced the Lakers in any of his nine seasons in the league from '60 thru '68, and he likely would own at least some, (if not a vast majority), playoff and perhaps Finals, scoring records (and perhaps FG% records, as well, since Russell shot .702 against LA in '65.)

And once again, in Wilt's regular seasons, he was facing LA between 7 to 12 games in each season, with an average of about 10.

Also keep in mind that the Lakers were in the Western Conference, and Wilt only had two seasons in the Western Conference from '60 thru '68, and in one of those, his team was so bad, that he didn't make the playoffs, despite a 44.8 ppg season on .528 shooting.


Ok, here we go:

'59-60:

Against the entire NBA that season: 37.6 ppg on a .461 FG%

Against the Lakers in 9 H2H's: 36.8 ppg on a .430 FG%

High games of 41, 41, 41, 45, and 52.


'60-61:

Against the entire NBA: 38.4 ppg on a .509 FG%

Against the Lakers in 10 H2H's: 40.1 ppg on a .506 FG%

High games were 41, 41, 43, 44, 46, and 56 points.


'61-62:

Against the entire NBA: 50.4 ppg on a .506 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2H games: 51.6 ppg on a .503 FG%

High games of 48, 56, 57, 60, 60, and 78 (with 43 rebounds.)


'62-63: Against the entire NBA: 44.8 ppg on a .528 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 48.6 ppg on a .541 FG%

High games of 40, 40, 42, 53, 63, and 72 points.


'63-64: Against the entire NBA: 36.9 ppg on a .524 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 44.3 ppg on a .484 FG%

High games of 40, 41, 47, 49, 50, 55, and 59 points.


'64-65: Against the entire NBA: 34.7 ppg on a .510 FG%

Against LA in 8 H2Hs: 29.9 ppg on a .476 FG%

High games of 40, 40, and 41 points.


'65-66: Against the entire NBA: 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%

Against LA in 10 H2Hs: 40.8 ppg on a .559 FG%

High games of 42, 49, 53, and 65 points.


'66-67: Against the entire NBA: 24.1 ppg on a .683 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2Hs: 26.4 ppg on a .759 FG%

High games of 32, 37, and 39 points.


'67-68: Against the entire NBA: 24.3 ppg on a .595 FG%

Against LA in 7 H2Hs: 28.1 ppg on a .638 FG%

High games of 31, 32, 35, and 53 points.


Overall, in those 86 games:

40 Point Games: 42

50 Point Games: 19

60 Point Games: 7

70 Point Games: 2

High game of 78 points.



Now, go ahead and challenge those numbers if you like. They are available at nbastats.net (as well as other sources...with research done thru google news archives.)

[Poochymama]

As John Wooden claimed...had Russell and Wilt swapped rosters (and coaches), and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

BTW, Russell FEASTED on the Lakers in FIVE Finals in the 60's (in the sixth one.,.he couldn't do anything...oh that was against WILT.)

How about this...



Now, go ahead and challenge those numbers if you like. They are available at nbastats.net (as well as other sources...with research done thru google news archives.)

Why are you posting russell and wilt head to head stats? Russell was better than Wilt because he made the stats of his teammates better, not because he himself put up better stats.

Besides, what does Wilt/Russell h2h stats have to do with Lebron/Wilt regular season vs playoff numbers? Quit deflecting.

Lebron +3% in the playoffs.
Wilt -34% in the playoffs(and then another -22% in the finals)

Lebron > Wilt in the playoffs.