14 Durant vs 06 Kobe

[Fire Colangelo]

Kobe:

35/5/5 56% TS

Durant:

32/7/6 63% TS


Two of the best individual seasons in the last decade, who had the more dominant season without looking at team wins?

[KendrickPerkins]

Who won more games?

What about the clutch stats?

Durant based on those numbers.

[ShawkFactory]

Probably Durant

[Riley Martin]

Kobe.

[riseagainst]

durant with better stats, kobe better player.

[KendrickPerkins]

Just checked and....

Durant won 60 games, Kobe only 45.....

So Durant was putting these numbers up on an ELITE team. His numbers translated to wins. Kobe was putting up empty stats on a mediocre squad.

Durant beats him in advanced metrics as well.

Durant wins.

[KendrickPerkins]

durant with better stats, kobe better player.
Makes complete sense.

the better player usually wins less games and has worse stats...

So Kobe is better when he wins and loses. Kobe stans have a pretty good gig if that's the case.

How can you lose an argument when Kobe is always better despite worse stats AND losing?

[HOoopCityJones]

Just checked and....

Durant won 60 games, Kobe only 45.....

So Durant was putting these numbers up on an ELITE team. His numbers translated to wins. Kobe was putting up empty stats on a mediocre squad.

Durant beats him in advanced metrics as well.

Durant wins.

:rolleyes:

Durant lacked his second option for most of the season. Kobe lacked a fuccing Team. Your comparison couldn't be anymore off base.

[KendrickPerkins]

:rolleyes:

Durant lacked his second option for most of the season. Kobe lacked a fuccing Team. Your comparison couldn't be anymore off base.
Why did Durants team require him to put up those stats to win then?

Clearly he had to carry a massive load. And did so... while putting up better stats against better competition + winning. Kobe better doe because. Just because. :rolleyes:

****ing clown.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe haters desperate to throw shade on that season

4 straight days with threads about a season that happened 10 years ago.

[HOoopCityJones]

Why did Durants team require him to put up those stats to win then?

Clearly he had to carry a massive load. And did so... while putting up better stats against better competition + winning. Kobe better doe because. Just because. :rolleyes:

****ing clown.

You mad tho :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe haters desperate to throw shade on that season

4 straight days with threads about a season that happened 10 years ago.

Shook ones. 81 and 62 in 3 quarters burned into their memories for life. :cheers:

[riseagainst]

Makes complete sense.

the better player usually wins less games and has worse stats...

So Kobe is better when he wins and loses. Kobe stans have a pretty good gig if that's the case.

How can you lose an argument when Kobe is always better despite worse stats AND losing?

sorry, when you think kwame brown, smush parker, and chris mihm are comparable to Westbrook, ibaka, (i dont even need a 3rd name because these two are already more valuable than those 3), no one will take you seriously.
:oldlol:

[KendrickPerkins]

sorry, when you think kwame brown, smush parker, and chris mihm are comparable to Westbrook, ibaka, (i dont even need a 3rd name because these two are already more valuable than those 3), no one will take you seriously.
:oldlol:
Westbrook was out that season retard.

Odom was a better 2nd option than Ibaka.

Perkins.. Fisher.. Hasheem Thabeet

Two can play that game. You ****ing neanderthal.

[livinglegend]

Durant had the better stats and more wins.
Yet, there are some homers saying Kobe. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mirror]

Who won more games?

What about the clutch stats?

Durant based on those numbers.

This.

[Fire Colangelo]

Kobe haters desperate to throw shade on that season

4 straight days with threads about a season that happened 10 years ago.

Nobody's throwing shade on that season...

You act like it's an insult to compare Kobe's 06 season to Durant's 14 season.

Like I said, I don't want to compare team wins because they had completely different supporting casts. I just want to know who was more dominant individually.

Kobe had the 62 point game and 81 point game, Durant had a monster January. Who was the more dominant player in terms of individual play?

[DMAVS41]

Toss up.

I'd probably give the nod to Durant, but I also thought Durant got extremely lucky in that Memphis series.

Both seasons a bit over-rated imo.

[Papaya Petee]

Durant.

No Westbrook and won 59 games in a brutal conference.

Better passer better rebounder more efficient.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Are some people actually saying Kobe?

My goodness :facepalm:

[BlakFrankWhite]

The only reg season compareable to '14 Durant

'92 Jordan
'00 Shaq
'09 LeBron

That's it...no one else

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe outscored A Finals Team in 3 quarters. And I remember something about a highest scoring game of the modern era.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe had better stats and he contributed more to the team considering how crappy it was without him, they reached 45 wins.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Kobe outscored A Finals Team in 3 quarters. And I remember something about a highest scoring game of the modern era.

And I also remember him losing a lot of games...lol

2015 Westbrook is more fair comparison to '06 Kobe

[tpols]

Problem with Durant is his game is much more dependant on FTs and it doesn't translate as well to the highest levels of competition.

14 Durant FTR- .48
06 Kobe FTR- .38

When Durant didn't get the same calls in the playoffs and his FTR dropped dramatically,, defenders were allowed to body him, and no more ticky tack rip through moves.. his TS went from 64 TS to 57 TS.. huge drop.

Kobe's efficiency actually went up +3 TS as compared to that -7.. Kobe playing more facilitator and facing a worse defensive team was a definite part of it, but also signifigant was being able to score consistently through physical punishment.. I mean shit phoenix may have not had the team defense but they had some very good to great individual defenders.. raja bell was no joke, he played physical, even tried to take kobe's head off.. didn't faze him.


Point being yes.. durants rs stats are nice.. but he has always gotten a tremendous whistle advantage. When Durants FTR fell to .38 in the playoffs like what kobes was for his whole season? KD's game just completely fell off. Hes much more call reliant.

[riseagainst]

And I also remember him losing a lot of games...lol

2015 Westbrook is more fair comparison to '06 Kobe

both are better than 14 Durant that's for sure.

[Relinquish]

Durant. Better stats, more wins, way fewer shot attempts and fewer FT attempts per game.

[SOD 21]

Kevin Durant was at his most impressive that season from Christmas through the All-Star break without Westbrook when he averaged: 34.8 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 53% fg and over 40% 3PT. Incredible efficiency.

KD averaged nearly 35 points over that span on only 22 field-goal attempts per game for a robust 1.57 pps.

It appeared that he was ready to surpass LeBron as the game's greatest player. Hopefully, he can return to full health this coming season.

[Fire Colangelo]

Problem with Durant is his game is much more dependant on FTs and it doesn't translate as well to the highest levels of competition.

14 Durant FTR- .48
06 Kobe FTR- .38

When Durant didn't get the same calls in the playoffs and his FTR dropped dramatically,, defenders were allowed to body him, and no more ticky tack rip through moves.. his TS went from 64 TS to 57 TS.. huge drop.

Kobe's efficiency actually went up +3 TS as compared to that -7.. Kobe playing more facilitator and facing a worse defensive team was a definite part of it, but also signifigant was being able to score consistently through physical punishment.. I mean shit phoenix may have not had the team defense but they had some very good to great individual defenders.. raja bell was no joke, he played physical, even tried to take kobe's head off.. didn't faze him.


Point being yes.. durants rs stats are nice.. but he has always gotten a tremendous whistle advantage. When Durants FTR fell to .38 in the playoffs like what kobes was for his whole season? KD's game just completely fell off. Hes much more call reliant.

You do realize Durant played two of the best defensive teams in the Grizzlies and the Spurs during the 2014 playoffs right? While Kobe played against an average defensive team at best.

The only "weak" defense Durant played in the playoffs were the Clippers (rated 9th defensively) and he absolutely tore them apart averaging 33/10/5 on 61% TS.

I don't think this whole efficiency thing works for Kobe in this discussion because.... well Durant is just more efficient than Kobe.

I think Kobe was a little more dominant individually but... efficiency was not the reason.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe was also more polished from 3-16 feet, his bread and butter. Translated well into the playoffs as well with that 50 point barrage against Phoenix. Beyond 16 feet? Durant has the edge. Dude was a sniper assassin from those areas on the court.

Comparable scorers, but I think Kobe's defense and playmaking were a bit more refined...and reliable tbh

[BlazerRed]

Durant. Near 50/40/90 too.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Durant. Near 50/40/90 too.

Yup....And it wasn't some 15 ppg crap like Nash.

It was 32 ppg on 50/39/89, ffs

[ArbitraryWater]

what KD did without Russ was amazing.. second seed in a LOADED conference.

2014 Bron>2014 KD>>2006 KB

[#number6ix#]

I'm a big time fan of both but I got to give the edge to KD...

[tpols]

You do realize Durant played two of the best defensive teams in the Grizzlies and the Spurs during the 2014 playoffs right? While Kobe played against an average defensive team at best.

The only "weak" defense Durant played in the playoffs were the Clippers (rated 9th defensively) and he absolutely tore them apart averaging 33/10/5 on 61% TS.

I don't think this whole efficiency thing works for Kobe in this discussion because.... well Durant is just more efficient than Kobe.

I think Kobe was a little more dominant individually but... efficiency was not the reason.


Durant was only more efficient in the RS with a .48 FTR. when it dropped to "kobe levels" aka .38 his efficiency nose dived.. and was right at kobes or below it.


I mentioned the differences in defense in my post... kobe faced an easier one but I don't see him getting rattled NY physicality and refs swallowing their whistles hence why I'd take 06 peak kobe.. more reliable, methodical half court offense built on buckets not trying to draw fouls that may pay off or may blow up in your face.

And it's not just about TS.. it's about being taken out of your game.. not even being able to dribble or post against pressure.. isn't captured in the stats but kobe isn't having his game taken away like how Durants was.

[atljonesbro]

Pretty clearly Durant. There isn't a real argument you can make for Kobe

[BlakFrankWhite]

Durant was only more efficient in the RS with a .48 FTR. when it dropped to "kobe levels" aka .38 his efficiency nose dived.. and was right at kobes or below it.


I mentioned the differences in defense in my post... kobe faced an easier one but I don't see him getting rattled NY physicality and refs swallowing their whistles hence why I'd take 06 peak kobe.. more reliable, methodical half court offense built on buckets not trying to draw fouls that may pay off or may blow up in your face.

And it's not just about TS.. it's about being taken out of your game.. not even being able to dribble or post against pressure.. isn't captured in the stats but kobe isn't having his game taken away like how Durants was.

We didn't see enough of Kobe in the PO's....how would he have done against elite defensive teams like the Grizz and Spurs teams Durant had to face?

[DMAVS41]

Durant was only more efficient in the RS with a .48 FTR. when it dropped to "kobe levels" aka .38 his efficiency nose dived.. and was right at kobes or below it.


I mentioned the differences in defense in my post... kobe faced an easier one but I don't see him getting rattled NY physicality and refs swallowing their whistles hence why I'd take 06 peak kobe.. more reliable, methodical half court offense built on buckets not trying to draw fouls that may pay off or may blow up in your face.

And it's not just about TS.. it's about being taken out of your game.. not even being able to dribble or post against pressure.. isn't captured in the stats but kobe isn't having his game taken away like how Durants was.

I think this is pretty spot on...and I argued as such last season when people were saying Durant was better than Kobe ever was.

I do think we have to point out Kobe in the 06 playoffs though. It's not like he set the world on fire in that series....certainly did nothing to separate himself from KD in the playoffs in 14.

[TiagoSimoes]

2014 Bron>2014 KD>>2006 KB

http://i.imgur.com/jDfrAdI.gif

[#number6ix#]

what KD did without Russ was amazing.. second seed in a LOADED conference.

2014 Bron>2014 KD>>2006 KB
Come on bro KD was better than bron in 14

[tpols]

We didn't see enough of Kobe in the PO's....how would he have done against elite defensive teams like the Grizz and Spurs teams Durant had to face?

Thought someone would ask this.. and imo we have plenty of evidence that kobe could hang... When kobe faced similar defensive opponents in the early 2000s spurs and kings he had some of his most brilliant performances ever.

And I know shaq will be brought up.. "he took away attention from kobe" but its not like durant was alone in the playoffs..he had a dominating westbrook and even reggie playing amazing in those tough series. He had a shit ton of help and distraction on his own yet was very fortunate to even get out the first round.

[BlakFrankWhite]

I think this is pretty spot on...and I argued as such last season when people were saying Durant was better than Kobe ever was.

I do think we have to point out Kobe in the 06 playoffs though. It's not like he set the world on fire in that series....certainly did nothing to separate himself from KD in the playoffs in 14.

Lol...you do realiise KD averaged 30/9/4 in the playoffs....and lost to a historically great Spurs team.

Had the Thunder gotten past spurs...they would have beaten Heat and won the 'ship...I have no doibt

[ArbitraryWater]

Come on bro KD was better than bron in 14

bro, he wasnt... no one dared to say that shit during the playoffs, KD being better than Bron... seems now that LeBron had absolutely no one showing up for him in the finals, everybody in retrospect is like 'KD was better', no... there's a reason LeBron was picked as best player before the 2015 season by coaches.

edit: if OKC beats SAS, Heat win IMO

[DMAVS41]

Lol...you do realiise KD averaged 30/9/4 in the playoffs....and lost to a historically great Spurs team.

Had the Thunder gotten past spurs...they would have beaten Heat and won the 'ship...I have no doibt


Totally agree with the bold.

Also think you are totally ignoring his actual level of play against the Grizzlies...and how he could have been at home (should have been) if not for two of the biggest bail out games in playoff history.

There was some stat that Durant fell into twice in that series....where only like 20 players won a playoff game playing as bad as he did in the modern NBA.

[RRR3]

DMavs didn't you say Durant was on 11 finals Bran level choking wise in round 1?

[Cold soul]

Kobe was also more polished from 3-16 feet, his bread and butter. Translated well into the playoffs as well with that 50 point barrage against Phoenix. Beyond 16 feet? Durant has the edge. Dude was a sniper assassin from those areas on the court.

Comparable scorers, but I think Kobe's defense and playmaking were a bit more refined...and reliable tbh


I agree with this you factor in defense and 06 Kobe being better than 14 Durant.

[KiiiiNG]

DMavs didn't you say Durant was on 11 finals Bran level choking wise in round 1?
He's an idiot if he says that.

Durant had 1 game where he missed a ton of shots. Coincidentally, it's the game Jackson was playing great.

Durant wasn't shying away and standing in the corner, like he's never been there before. He had a bad game.

He killed them in game 6 and 7 and ultimately they won the series.

[KG215]

I agree with this you factor in defense and 06 Kobe being better than 14 Durant.
I'd have to dig deeper, but I'm sure most metrics say 2014 Durant > 2006 Kobe defensively.

Durant: (RS) 4.4 DWS, 0.4 DBPM (PS) 0.9 DWS, 1.7 DBPM

Kobe: (RS) 3.7 DWS, -1.5 DBPM (PS) 0.1 DWS, 1.2 DBPM


I'm sure if I looked into more advanced stats like RAPM, it'd probably tell a similar story.

[Cold soul]

I'd have to dig deeper, but I'm sure most metrics say 2014 Durant > 2006 Kobe defensively.

Durant: (RS) 4.4 DWS, 0.4 DBPM (PS) 0.9 DWS, 1.7 DBPM

Kobe: (RS) 3.7 DWS, -1.5 DBPM (PS) 0.1 DWS, 1.2 DBPM


I'm sure if I looked into more advanced stats like RAPM, it'd probably tell a similar story.



Interesting stats. Do you think Durant a better defender than Kobe was during those years 06/07?

[Wade's Rings]

I'd have to dig deeper, but I'm sure most metrics say 2014 Durant > 2006 Kobe defensively.

Durant: (RS) 4.4 DWS, 0.4 DBPM (PS) 0.9 DWS, 1.7 DBPM

Kobe: (RS) 3.7 DWS, -1.5 DBPM (PS) 0.1 DWS, 1.2 DBPM


I'm sure if I looked into more advanced stats like RAPM, it'd probably tell a similar story.

I don't like using Advanced Stats at all especially on Defense but Kobe's Defense slipped those years.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'll go with Durant, but it's definitely close. Durant had a pretty good playoff run too outside of a couple games in Memphis. He was good against the Clippers, pretty good against the Spurs. Things could have been different if Ibaka was healthy, but I still think the Spurs would have won, and were the better team.

[Rocketswin2013]

I'd have to dig deeper, but I'm sure most metrics say 2014 Durant > 2006 Kobe defensively.

Durant: (RS) 4.4 DWS, 0.4 DBPM (PS) 0.9 DWS, 1.7 DBPM

Kobe: (RS) 3.7 DWS, -1.5 DBPM (PS) 0.1 DWS, 1.2 DBPM


I'm sure if I looked into more advanced stats like RAPM, it'd probably tell a similar story.
With this in mind, slight edge to Durant.

[AussieBaller99]

Durant just.. Really hope he cones back fully healthy next season, it will be scary how good he will be.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'd have to dig deeper, but I'm sure most metrics say 2014 Durant > 2006 Kobe defensively.

Durant: (RS) 4.4 DWS, 0.4 DBPM (PS) 0.9 DWS, 1.7 DBPM

Kobe: (RS) 3.7 DWS, -1.5 DBPM (PS) 0.1 DWS, 1.2 DBPM


I'm sure if I looked into more advanced stats like RAPM, it'd probably tell a similar story.

Winshares and box score "advanced" metrics are a joke. They don't take into account teammates, lineups and opposition as RAPM does which is also flawed in certain aspects (ie. '14 Durant is ranked 7th in all the league via overall RAPM).

[Fire Colangelo]

Can't believe people are bringing up playoffs efficiency of all things to favor Kobe against Durant.

Durant's least efficient playoff run (excluding his first run) is literally more efficient than all but two of Kobe's playoffs runs. Not to mention Durant literally hasn't had a series as bad as Kobe's 04 Pistons, 08/10 Celtics series.

Obviously his most efficient playoff runs are far away more efficient than any of Kobe's playoff runs. Yet, Durant's stats apparently take a "nose dive" in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol:

There's a reason I didn't even post playoff stats, because I thought Durant in the playoffs (even with the shitty Memphis series) was far more impressive than Kobe, whose stats took an actual nose dive against an average defensive team in the first round of the playoffs.

[HOoopCityJones]

Can't believe people are bringing up playoffs efficiency of all things to favor Kobe against Durant.

Durant's least efficient playoff run (excluding his first run) is literally more efficient than all but two of Kobe's playoffs runs. Not to mention Durant literally hasn't had a series as bad as Kobe's 04 Pistons, 08/10 Celtics series.

Obviously his most efficient playoff runs are far away more efficient than any of Kobe's playoff runs. Yet, Durant's stats apparently take a "nose dive" in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol:

There's a reason I didn't even post playoff stats, because I thought Durant in the playoffs (even with the shitty Memphis series) was far more impressive than Kobe, whose stats took an actual nose dive against an average defensive team in the first round of the playoffs.

His Team has also regressed every year since making the Finals in 2012.

[Droid101]

There's a reason I didn't even post playoff stats, because I thought Durant in the playoffs (even with the shitty Memphis series) was far more impressive than Kobe, whose stats took an actual nose dive against an average defensive team in the first round of the playoffs.
lol at Nosedive.

They completely changed they way they approached the game to limit long rebounds. Check Odom's and (LOL) Kwame's usage rates compared to the regular season. They were constantly pounding it down low per Phil's instruction.

[Fire Colangelo]

His Team has also regressed every year since making the Finals in 2012.

Ummm.... 58 win rate in 2012, 60 wins in 2013 and 59 wins in 2014?

And I'm sure losing Harden after 12, injured Westbrook in 13, injured Ibaka in 14 didn't make a difference at all.

[Fire Colangelo]

lol at Nosedive.

They completely changed they way they approached the game to limit long rebounds. Check Odom's and (LOL) Kwame's usage rates compared to the regular season. They were constantly pounding it down low per Phil's instruction.

:confusedshrug:

Just means Kobe's regular season is even more overrated because they couldn't play that way in the playoffs.

[KG215]

His Team has also regressed every year since making the Finals in 2012.
Because they haven't made the Finals since? I guess injuries have played no role in that?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Can't believe people are bringing up playoffs efficiency of all things to favor Kobe against Durant.

Durant's least efficient playoff run (excluding his first run) is literally more efficient than all but two of Kobe's playoffs runs. Not to mention Durant literally hasn't had a series as bad as Kobe's 04 Pistons, 08/10 Celtics series.

Obviously his most efficient playoff runs are far away more efficient than any of Kobe's playoff runs. Yet, Durant's stats apparently take a "nose dive" in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol:

There's a reason I didn't even post playoff stats, because I thought Durant in the playoffs (even with the shitty Memphis series) was far more impressive than Kobe, whose stats took an actual nose dive against an average defensive team in the first round of the playoffs.

If you feel that way, shouldn't the answer be a no-brainer?

Why aren't you taking Durant here by an onslaught?

[KendrickPerkins]

Can't believe people are bringing up playoffs efficiency of all things to favor Kobe against Durant.

Durant's least efficient playoff run (excluding his first run) is literally more efficient than all but two of Kobe's playoffs runs. Not to mention Durant literally hasn't had a series as bad as Kobe's 04 Pistons, 08/10 Celtics series.

Obviously his most efficient playoff runs are far away more efficient than any of Kobe's playoff runs. Yet, Durant's stats apparently take a "nose dive" in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol:

There's a reason I didn't even post playoff stats, because I thought Durant in the playoffs (even with the shitty Memphis series) was far more impressive than Kobe, whose stats took an actual nose dive against an average defensive team in the first round of the playoffs.
:roll:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/444843.jpg

Andre Ethier

[Fire Colangelo]

If you feel that way, shouldn't the answer be a no-brainer?

Why aren't you taking Durant here by an onslaught?

I actually think Kobe had an argument for being more dominant in regular season, not in the playoffs though.

All the things that could bring the argument to Kobe's favor (62pt game, 81 pt game, etc etc), people decided to go with playoffs efficiency....

lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

I actually think Kobe had an argument for being more dominant in regular season, not in the playoffs though.

All the things that could bring the argument to Kobe's favor (62pt game, 81 pt game, etc etc), people decided to go with playoffs efficiency....

lol

2006 Kobe first round: 28/6/5 on 50% FG 59% TS

2014 KD first round: 30/9/3 on 44% FG 54% TS


put 06 Kobe on the 14 Thunder and they win the title pretty easily too

[KG215]

2006 Kobe first round: 28/6/5 on 50% FG 59% TS

2014 KD first round: 30/9/3 on 44% FG 54% TS
2006 Suns: 105.8 DRtg (16th of 30)
2014 Grizzlies: 104.6 DRtg (7th of 30)



put 06 Kobe on the 14 Thunder and they win the title pretty easily too
2006 Kobe isn't getting the 2014 Thunder past the 2014 Spurs with Ibaka missing two games.

[Fire Colangelo]

2006 Kobe first round: 28/6/5 on 50% FG 59% TS

2014 KD first round: 30/9/3 on 44% FG 54% TS


put 06 Kobe on the 14 Thunder and they win the title pretty easily too

:oldlol:

Kobe played the Suns, Durant played the Grizzlies.

Average defense vs one of the best defenses (7th in drtg with Gasol and Allen missing like 20 games each).

[KG215]

:oldlol:

Kobe played the Suns, Durant played the Grizzlies.

Average defense vs one of the best defenses (7th in drtg with Gasol and Allen missing like 20 games each).
This. The Grizzlies DRtg would've been closer to 100 and top 3 in the league if Gasol and Allen hadn't missed about 1/4th of the season each. Regardless, the Grizzly defense Durant faced in the 1st round last year had Gasol and Allen, so that 7th rated DRtg for the Grizzlies last year is misleading.

[eliteballer]

lol @playing with the likes of Westbrook and Ibaka or Smush and Kwame. Durant got so many easy buckets of things like catch and shoot and/or coming off screens with the lesser defensive coverage its no surprise his efficiency dropped like crazy in the playoffs.

[tpols]

Can't believe people are bringing up playoffs efficiency of all things to favor Kobe against Durant.

Durant's least efficient playoff run (excluding his first run) is literally more efficient than all but two of Kobe's playoffs runs. Not to mention Durant literally hasn't had a series as bad as Kobe's 04 Pistons, 08/10 Celtics series.

Obviously his most efficient playoff runs are far away more efficient than any of Kobe's playoff runs. Yet, Durant's stats apparently take a "nose dive" in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol:

There's a reason I didn't even post playoff stats, because I thought Durant in the playoffs (even with the shitty Memphis series) was far more impressive than Kobe, whose stats took an actual nose dive against an average defensive team in the first round of the playoffs.

Look man.. a -7 TS difference.. is a nose dive. Its a testament to how playing the FT game wont always work in your favor. Durant has had had ref swallowing the whistle on contact problems more than most want to admit in the playoffs.

Got locked up by artest in 2010, couldn't move.

Got locked up by Marion in 2011, couldn't even dribble in crunchtime with the applied pressure.

Didn't get locked up in 2012, but his porous defense and lack of strength was exposed yet again when he couldn't handle a slashing LeBron even a little bit.

Got locked up by tony allen in 2014, and then even pushed off the block by fking chris paul. :facepalm


Durant has issues with physical defense unlike Kobe ever has. The Bowens, Battiers, Artests, Kirlenko's, all the super physical great defenders thrown at Kobe? He ate them alive and even frustrated THEM physically. Raja Bell clotheslined Kobe because Kobe kept elbowing and knocking the shit out of him. He retaliated because HE couldn't handle the physical play. Artest had that one game where kobe got a few licks on him and Ronnie went crazy. Kobe can handle a physical game wayyy better than Durant can. Theyre still close because of durants uniqueness speed quickness and skill at that height, but I would trust kobe in the playoffs more.

[KG215]

lol @playing with the likes of Westbrook and Ibaka or Smush and Kwame. Durant got so many easy buckets of things like catch and shoot and/or coming off screens with the lesser defensive coverage.
From December 27, to February February 13, Durant played 26 games last season without Westbrook. He averaged 35-8-6-1-1 on 53/40/88 shooting and 65% TS. Ibaka was healthy, yes, but Ibaka sure as hell wasn't generating Durant any easy looks.

[TheBigVeto]

Durant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

[Rose'sACL]

Look man.. a -7 TS difference.. is a nose dive. Its a testament to how playing the FT game wont always work in your favor. Durant has had had ref swallowing the whistle on contact problems more than most want to admit in the playoffs.

Got locked up by artest in 2010, couldn't move.

Got locked up by Marion in 2011, couldn't even dribble in crunchtime with the applied pressure.

Didn't get locked up in 2012, but his porous defense and lack of strength was exposed yet again when he couldn't handle a slashing LeBron even a little bit.

Got locked up by tony allen in 2014, and then even pushed off the block by fking chris paul. :facepalm


Durant has issues with physical defense unlike Kobe ever has. The Bowens, Battiers, Artests, Kirlenko's, all the super physical great defenders thrown at Kobe? He ate them alive and even frustrated THEM physically. Raja Bell clotheslined Kobe because Kobe kept elbowing and knocking the shit out of him. He retaliated because HE couldn't handle the physical play. Artest had that one game where kobe got a few licks on him and Ronnie went crazy. Kobe can handle a physical game wayyy better than Durant can. Theyre still close because of durants uniqueness speed quickness and skill at that height, but I would trust kobe in the playoffs more.
That is such BS. Durant has had less problems against all types of defense compared to kobe.
Other than injuries, nothing is stopping him from ending up top 15 even with 0 rings. Give durant phil jackson as coach and he would probably win 3-4 rings by the time he retires.

[tpols]

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That is such BS. Durant has had less problems against all types of defense compared to kobe.
Other than injuries, nothing is stopping him from ending up top 15 even with 0 rings. Give durant phil jackson as coach and he would probably win 3-4 rings by the time he retires.

What does that even mean? Less problems against all types of defense lol.. kobe's saw and wrecked better defenses in the early 2000s than durants ever seen. 04 pistons and 08 Celtics physicality and man defense would've had KD sucking his thumb in the corner..

Theres zero chance kd is top 15 with no rings.. Hes gonna finish top 25 no matter what. But the further you try to inch up the harder it gets. KD's a great talent but he still has a lot to prove. Hes had loaded supporting casts his whole career.. and still has to win something to break top 15.

[Rose'sACL]

What does that even mean? Less problems against all types of defense lol.. kobe's saw and wrecked better defenses in the early 2000s than durants ever seen. 04 pistons and 08 Celtics physicality and man defense would've had KD sucking his thumb in the corner..
ya. i remember kobe wrecking 04 pistons and 08 celtics.

[PsychoBe]

What does that even mean? Less problems against all types of defense lol.. kobe's saw and wrecked better defenses in the early 2000s than durants ever seen. 04 pistons and 08 Celtics physicality and man defense would've had KD sucking his thumb in the corner..

kd was guarded by cp3 because he doesn't have a post game :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tpols]

ya. i remember kobe wrecking 04 pistons and 08 celtics.

:rolleyes:


You know what I meant. Those two teams were super accelerated versions of the Memphis team that ate Durant up. And better defensive teams than hes ever seen.

[KiiiiNG]

:rolleyes:


You know what I meant. Those two teams were super accelerated versions of the Memphis team that ate Durant up. And better defensive teams than hes ever seen.
30 on 45% is "ate up" in Durant's world I guess. :lol

For Kobe, that's a fantastic series. For Durant, it's "ate up" :roll:

Being the best means having the highest standards. They won the series btw for you rookie NBA fans. THEY WON THE SERIES.

[tpols]

30 on 45% is "ate up" in Durant's world I guess. :lol

For Kobe, that's a fantastic series. For Durant, it's "ate up" :roll:

Being the best means having the highest standards. They won the series btw for you rookie NBA fans. THEY WON THE SERIES.

FG does not rule me like it does you. Eye test.. just like the 2012 Finals.


I still remember game 1.. I remember actually feeling bad for Lebron, despite being a hater of him. Durant just showcased his superior clutch shooting ability.. and I thought the series would be quick work.

Rest of the series bron just lowered his head and preyed on kd's lack of strength and physicality.. few cheap calls in there but it be came very apparent that a 220lb guy spread over 6'11 couldn't guard a 260+ lb guy spread over less area. He got tossed..

Look back at the stats and you'll see some type of great performance. Watch the games its a whole different story. Never saw the impact the stats would suggest.

[nzahir]

Kobe:

35/5/5 56% TS

Durant:

32/7/6 63% TS


Two of the best individual seasons in the last decade, who had the more dominant season without looking at team wins?
You answered your own question when you posted their numbers

[Joyner82reload]

kd was guarded by cp3 because he doesn't have a post game :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That worked out real well for the Clippers, Durant only averaged 33/10/5 61ts% that series

[KG215]

kd was guarded by cp3 because he doesn't have a post game :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
The CP3 thing has gotten blown out of proportion. Did it work for one quarter of one game that the Thunder lost? Yes, extremely well. But for whatever reason people seem to overlook the fact that Durant mostly adjusted and had no problem scoring on and playing off of CP3 guarding him the rest of the series. Not every time, no, CP3 still got into and under Durant enough to frustrate him, but he was not nearly as effective the rest of the series when he guarded Durant.

[BlakFrankWhite]

This board is comical... Kobe and it isn't even close. Unreal season from an individual standpoint that will be remembered for the ages. Durant? Good young player but we're talking about peak Kobe here.

Lets not forget that this same Durant gets locked up by the likes of Chris Paul, washed up Artest.. past prime Tony Allen.. guys he should be fooding. At 6ft 11 he has no post-up game to speak of and gets bodied up by midgets.. In contrast to Kobe - the ultimate package/perfection of a player from a skill standpoint. Dumb thread.

Stfu....you're the worst poster on this forum...KD putting up a 32/7/6 on a 63% TS doesn't make him a good young player...it makes him elite....

KD lost to a historically great Spurs team....that very team then ripped LeBron and the Heat a new a****le

Reg season : 32/7/6
PO's : 30/9/4

-stats say Durant
-Advanced stats say Durant
-shooting effeciency say Durant
-PER say Durant
-more wins say Durant

[J Shuttlesworth]

This board is comical... Kobe and it isn't even close. Unreal season from an individual standpoint that will be remembered for the ages. Durant? Good young player but we're talking about peak Kobe here.

Lets not forget that this same Durant gets locked up by the likes of Chris Paul, washed up Artest.. past prime Tony Allen.. guys he should be fooding. At 6ft 11 he has no post-up game to speak of and gets bodied up by midgets.. In contrast to Kobe - the ultimate package/perfection of a player from a skill standpoint. Dumb thread.
Bro normally I like your posts, but acting like these two seasons aren't comparable at all is just :facepalm

[GIF REACTION]

Bu-bu-but kobe fade-away bro

So clutch bro

LMAO

kobe boys exposed

[KG215]

This board is comical... Kobe and it isn't even close. Unreal season from an individual standpoint that will be remembered for the ages. Durant? Good young player but we're talking about peak Kobe here.

Lets not forget that this same Durant gets locked up by the likes of Chris Paul, washed up Artest.. past prime Tony Allen.. guys he should be fooding. At 6ft 11 he has no post-up game to speak of and gets bodied up by midgets.. In contrast to Kobe - the ultimate package/perfection of a player from a skill standpoint. Dumb thread.
:wtf:

and

:facepalm


Saying "Kobe and it isn't even close" is all kinds of stupid. At the very least it's debatable.