@WOJ: OKC's Enes Kanter is in Portland, preparing to sign an offer sheet with Blazers

[J Shuttlesworth]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 4m4 minutes ago
OKC's Enes Kanter is in Portland, preparing to sign an offer sheet with Blazers, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[GIF REACTION]

Nice!

[Fallen Angel]

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[Akrazotile]

PEnes :bowdown:

[Fallen Angel]

Rockets could trade Kostas Papanikolauo for Augustin and PJ3.

Thunder then could waive K-Pap, who because has an unguaranteed contract would not cost Oklahoma City anything.

Novak could be traded to Philadelphia for the rights to some random player if the Thunder were to attach a pick.

[K Xerxes]

Presti needs to bite the bullet and keep a hold of Kanter if they want to seriously compete. Not just a championship on the line next season, also Durant's future.

[Akrazotile]

Presti needs to bite the bullet and keep a hold of Kanter if they want to seriously compete. Not just a championship on the line next season, also Durant's future.


I dont think its Presti's call, brover.

Owner's the one that writes the checks

[DMAVS41]

Love it.

Thunder have to match....now the Thunder have to dump real guys. LOL

Love what the Blazers are doing. They'd still suck with Kanter next year anyway if the Thunder don't match...and his contract will be fine in a year or two anyway in terms of a trade or just to keep.

Good stuff.

[K Xerxes]

I dont think its Presti's call, brover.

Owner's the one that writes the checks

Ah you're right. Owners then. Simply put, they can't afford to be cheap anymore.

[niko]

It's a shit contract if Portland needs to keep it. They brought in all these cheap offense first defense last bigs and now they give Kanter $20M for same? SMH...

[hawksdogsbraves]

Kind of feels like the Blazers are just doing this to be *****, the move doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for them in a vacuum.

Is OKC finally going to pony up and pay that luxury tax cash to go all in for a championship? If not then this could be the last straw for Durant.

[bdreason]

Nice work Portland. :applause:

[BlakFrankWhite]

Lol...we'll match anything.

[Fallen Angel]

Lol...we'll match anything.
If I were a Thunder I'd let him walk. The Thunder's frontline is already loaded with skill and will big men like Ibaka, Adams, and McGary. Losing D.J. would hurt the backcourt, Oklahoma City needs a backup PG to play along side Russell Westbrook in crunch time that can lead a controlled offense.

[FireDavidKahn]

Kanter is a center version of Love with less offensive versatility. He is one of the worst defenders at any position in the league..

[BlakFrankWhite]

If I were a Thunder I'd let him walk. The Thunder's frontline is already loaded with skill and will big men like Ibaka, Adams, and McGary. Losing D.J. would hurt the backcourt, Oklahoma City needs a backup PG to play along side Russell Westbrook in crunch time that can lead a controlled offense.

We finally got an elite big man scorer..we aint letting him walk away...Even ball-hog Westbrook averaged 11 APG since Kanter joined.

Anyways, I doubt Kanter interested in joining a team lookin to tank...its a ploy by his agent to get more money from OKC

[DMAVS41]

4 years 70 million actually isn't a terrible contract for Kanter in this environment.

[Fallen Angel]

We finally got an elite big man scorer..we aint letting him walk away...Even ball-hog Westbrook averaged 11 APG since Kanter joined.

Anyways, I doubt Kanter interested in joining a team lookin to tank...its a ploy by his agent to get more money from OKC
The most important thing to have in the West is a big man that can defend and rebound, and Kantar doesn't do either. I can see why Thunder fans would be glamoring for a low post big man after the Kendrick Perkins era, but don't put yourself in the notion that you have to overpay for an elite low post player.

Kantar is an elite scoring center, but McGary and Adams aren't garbage in anyway down on the block. The two of them also bring effort on the defensive end, which is highly valuable.

Try not to cloud yourself with the though that you need a potential 20 point scorer down low even if he doesn't play defense because Dwight Howard and Andrew Bogut just made the Western Conference Finals solely from being hustle big men.

[imnew09]

Let him walk. Gary and Adam and Collison can play better defens

[Duggrr]

Please match, OKC.

[Fudge]

Considering all of the terrible contracts handed out lately, I wouldn't be mad if they matched a max offer sheet. He's a potential 20/10 threat every night. His defense isn't great, but it shouldn't be the end all be all to let him walk. Serge Ibigcawka and KD would mask his deficiencies on that end anyway.

[LONGTIME]

That Singler deal...:oldlol:

[Fowl]

OKC should let him go just to screw Portland over... then just pick up Javale McGee

[nba_55]

OKC should let him go just to screw Portland over... then just pick up Javale McGee

:yaohappy:

[Fallen Angel]

Westbrook | Waiters | Payne
Roberson | Morrow
Durant | Singler
Ibaka | McGary | Collison
Kantar | Adams

bunch of low IQ'd players

[BlakFrankWhite]

The most important thing to have in the West is a big man that can defend and rebound, and Kantar doesn't do either. I can see why Thunder fans would be glamoring for a low post big man after the Kendrick Perkins era, but don't put yourself in the notion that you have to overpay for an elite low post player.

Kantar is an elite scoring center, but McGary and Adams aren't garbage in anyway down on the block. The two of them also bring effort on the defensive end, which is highly valuable.

Try not to cloud yourself with the though that you need a potential 20 point scorer down low even if he doesn't play defense because Dwight Howard and Andrew Bogut just made the Western Conference Finals solely from being hustle big men.

Some good points you've made.

But since he's joined Thunder...he's one of the best offensive rebounders I've seen.

And becoming good defender takes time....he's only 22...even Dirk was called a 'softie' and liability on defence in his early years

His offense is dazzling and we need it...he's averaged 19/12 on 54% FG also look at how Westbrook's assists rate has skyrocketed since Kanter joined...we need players who play to the strengths of our stars...and Kanter sure as hell does that

And finally with KD and Westbrook's injury proneness we need a third scorer and Knater can step up to the plate

[fragokota]

Considering all of the terrible contracts handed out lately, I wouldn't be mad if they matched a max offer sheet. He's a potential 20/10 threat every night. His defense isn't great, but it shouldn't be the end all be all to let him walk. Serge Ibigcawka and KD would mask his deficiencies on that end anyway.

:durantunimpressed:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Dont match....................Ibaka and Adams are both better and Mitch prolly will be too. Nick Collison right now still impacts the game more. Enes is one of the worst defenders ive seen and hes a big thats a no no no noooooo. Jazz went from a below average defense to by far the best in the league after he left. OKCs defense took a big hit when he started playing too. Hes good on offense but alot of it is flash in the post not alot of substance. Hes overrated and not an impact player

[shoops]

From the Woj article

"Enes’ deal will include a player option on the fourth year, and a 15 percent trade kicker bonus."

Pretty bad. Let him walk

[BlakFrankWhite]

Dont match....................Ibaka and Adams are both better and Mitch prolly will be too. Nick Collison right now still impacts the game more. Enes is one of the worst defenders ive seen and hes a big thats a no no no noooooo. Jazz went from a below average defense to by far the best in the league after he left. OKCs defense took a big hit when he started playing too. Hes good on offense but alot of it is flash in the post not alot of substance. Hes overrated and not an impact player

Where were Ibaka/Collison/Adams when Spurs murdered us in the WCF?...and now they've strengthend their front court.

This young stud Kanter would give old man Duncan a run for his money

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Where were Ibaka/Collison/Adams when Spurs murdered us in the WCF?...and now they've strengthend their front court.

This young stud Kanter would give old man Duncan a run for his money
Ibaka missed games..........OKC was 2-2 with SA when Ibaka played. Adams and Mitch still yungings they will get better. Timmy struggled when Ibaka and Adams both played
West, Aldridge, Diaw or Timmy would all humiliate Kanters defense

[Natureland]

Slater's saying Presti still plans to match. Not sure how I feel about this...

[UK2K]

EEEEEeeeeeee nice snag

:applause:

[RoseCity07]

I don't want Kanter, I just hope OKC matches this so they screw themselves.

[ShackEelOKneel]

I don't want Kanter, I just hope OKC matches this so they screw themselves.

Could you explain why the Blazers would want him at this point? I get that you don't, but why would the organization want him when they are blowing things up?

[LONGTIME]

Thunder should let him walk and sign Perkins. :coleman:

[bluechox2]

4 years 70 mil...dam thats alot for him

[Trollsmasher]

With Kanter on the floor OKC had a 109 DRTG... that's with guys like Ibaka or Roberson being on the floor most of that time

You don't sign such a defensive liability and a 3rd/4th option on offense for a max deal

[JimmyMcAdocious]

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Spurs should have waited a day. Augustin in Pop's system? :eek:

Honestly, I would call the bluff. He isn't that good. No way at that price.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Could you explain why the Blazers would want him at this point? I get that you don't, but why would the organization want him when they are blowing things up?

Blazers GM Neil Olshey has always said he wants to accumulate assets to maintain future flexibility.

Blazers have tons of cap space and not a lot of great free agent options.

Enes Kanter is a great young player with skill and potential. He is an asset that the Blazers can develop and keep, or trade away.

Long story short, Enes Kanter is good at basketball, and you want good players on your basketball team. (Even if ur trying to tank)

[Trollsmasher]

Kanter is in fact the worst defensive big man of all time

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laughable

[BlakFrankWhite]

Presti to the rescue :bowdown:

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[BlakFrankWhite]

Blazers GM Neil Olshey has always said he wants to accumulate assets to maintain future flexibility.

Blazers have tons of cap space and not a lot of great free agent options.

Enes Kanter is a great young player with skill and potential. He is an asset that the Blazers can develop and keep, or trade away.

Long story short, Enes Kanter is good at basketball, and you want good players on your basketball team. (Even if ur trying to tank)

Sure...you think Kanter would join your filthy,garbage,dirty franchise that's been irrelevant for decades..and known to pass up on fuiture stars lol (Jordan,Durant among many others)....instead of a team that's contesting for titles?

Keep dreaming

[nba_55]

Presti to the rescue :bowdown:

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Bad move for OKC, this dude is not worth this kind of money. He is a huge liability on defense. They will regret it when Spurs, Clippers and Warriors frontcourt goes off on him.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Bad move for OKC, this dude is not worth this kind of money. He is a huge liability on defense. They will regret it when Spurs, Clippers and Warriors frontcourt goes off on him.

Some scrub named Middleton got a 5yr/$70m deal....crazy money being thrown around these days....but we need Kanter's offense

[NewYorkNoPicks]

PEnes :bowdown:


Ahahahaha amazing...honestly never heard that nickname before

[BlazerRed]

I don't want PEnes Kancer on my team..

[brownmamba00]

Enes would be the perfect replacement for LMA...but OKC will match.

[BlazerRed]

Enes would be the perfect replacement for LMA...but OKC will match.
The level of offensiveness in this post is mind blowing..

[brownmamba00]

The level of offensiveness in this post is mind blowing..
Kanter isn't as bad as you think averaged 18 and 11 last year he can get you buckets in the post ans his defense can only get better at age 22.

[Nash]

Kanter is in fact the worst defensive big man of all time

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJgButhUYAAlVLn.png

laughable
man you know there is a validity to the theory when you lead the list of the most notorious defenders.

[FireMcFailPlease]

So...Kanter and Reggie Jackson are 2 max players these days.

[KiiiiNG]

Love it.

Thunder have to match....now the Thunder have to dump real guys. LOL

Love what the Blazers are doing. They'd still suck with Kanter next year anyway if the Thunder don't match...and his contract will be fine in a year or two anyway in terms of a trade or just to keep.

Good stuff.
Enjoy the lottery.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Sure...you think Kanter would join your filthy,garbage,dirty franchise that's been irrelevant for decades..and known to pass up on fuiture stars lol (Jordan,Durant among many others)....instead of a team that's contesting for titles?

Keep dreaming

Are you stupid?

Don't answer that....

[Inferno]

:roll: OKC

[SwishSquared]

Kanter isn't as bad as you think averaged 18 and 11 last year he can get you buckets in the post ans his defense can only get better at age 22.He's basically been the worst defensive big of all rotation players the past 2 years. He's awful.

Fourth year in the NBA and Nick Collison had to explain basic PnR coverage to him in the fourth quarter of a close game when they were pushing to make the playoffs. He's young, but that's kinda inexcuseable.

Incredibly gifted offensive player but he can't and won't move on defense. Maybe being on a stacked squad helps change that next year, but we'll see.

I think 2 of the past 3 offseasons he's had some type of procedure on his legs, maybe the same knee twice. There's nowhere to go but up for his defense, but if he can even improve is a big question mark. He has to play with Ibaka for at least 90% of his minutes to stay on the floor (which has been Presti's plan all along).

Also, if they're dumping contracts onto Philly to reduce their tax payment, Hinkie's price will be high. He already owns a future protected pick and his asking price will include reducing the protections. He would settle for increased protections + Payne + garbage contracts though.

[DMAVS41]

He's basically been the worst defensive big of all rotation players the past 2 years. He's awful.

Fourth year in the NBA and Nick Collison had to explain basic PnR coverage to him in the fourth quarter of a close game when they were pushing to make the playoffs. He's young, but that's kinda inexcuseable.

Incredibly gifted offensive player but he can't and won't move on defense. Maybe being on a stacked squad helps change that next year, but we'll see.

I think 2 of the past 3 offseasons he's had some type of procedure on his legs, maybe the same knee twice. There's nowhere to go but up for his defense, but if he can even improve is a big question mark. He has to play with Ibaka for at least 90% of his minutes to stay on the floor (which has been Presti's plan all along).

Also, if they're dumping contracts onto Philly to reduce their tax payment, Hinkie's price will be high. He already owns a future protected pick and his asking price will include reducing the protections. He would settle for increased protections + Payne + garbage contracts though.

This is all true, but the Thunder with Ibaka are about as good of a situation to max his on court value as any in the NBA.

The Thunder are better with him than without him this coming season...and that is by far the best way to keep KD...to win the title this year. So I think they should match.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Bye Bye Kanter!!!


Hellooooo more Mitch McGary & Old Man Collison! :applause:

[HurricaneKid]

Some scrub named Middleton got a 5yr/$70m deal....crazy money being thrown around these days....but we need Kanter's offense

Middleton was the #10 player in the NBA in Real +/-. Kanter was #340. Midz is probably the best defensive 2 guard in the league and Kanter is probably the worst defensive C in the league. If he is getting 17M somebody is an idiot. Lets just see if two FOs are idiotic.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Bye Bye Kanter!!!


Hellooooo more Mitch McGary & Old Man Collison! :applause:

:facepalm:

[BlakFrankWhite]

:roll: OKC

KD gonna take that annual dump on GSW, :roll:

[Cowboy Thunder]

:facepalm:

The downfall of the Thunder looks something like maxing Kanter and having no scrilla left for KD/Goat/Ibaka.

Hell, even Adams to that notion.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Middleton was the #10 player in the NBA in Real +/-. Kanter was #340. Midz is probably the best defensive 2 guard in the league and Kanter is probably the worst defensive C in the league. If he is getting 17M somebody is an idiot. Lets just see if two FOs are idiotic.



:kobe: But I would take Middleton over Kanter 10/10 times.

[BlakFrankWhite]

The downfall of the Thunder looks something like maxing Kanter and having no scrilla left for KD/Goat/Ibaka.

Hell, even Adams to that notion.

let's not forget the last time we let a talented youngster walk away

GOATbrook averaged 11 APG since we've brought in Kanter...you think he gonna be happy if Kanter leaves?

[SwishSquared]

This is all true, but the Thunder with Ibaka are about as good of a situation to max his on court value as any in the NBA.

The Thunder are better with him than without him this coming season...and that is by far the best way to keep KD...to win the title this year. So I think they should match.At this point, if the owners will pay tax, it makes sense to keep him. Otherwise they wouldn't have given up a Euro stash big + first + 2nd for him. It's like how we had convos in the threads about how it would be stupid for Cleveland to not bring back both TT + Love- OKC can't afford to replace his production and will now have a great, young, deep rotation of big men. They can play small and big, which is handy and necessary with the way the league values versatility.

Paying the big bucks also shows to KD they won't be cheap with the increased cap- something that could sway his decision to stay. Because honestly if KD leaves, does Westbrook even stay when he becomes a FA the next year?

Now, considering Kanter only plays 1 side of the floor, this is an overpay for now and maybe going forward. Kanter's like a rich man's Pekovic on offense in that he's younger, has more range, and isn't injury-prone during the year. However, if he were to be a FA next year, I think he can get $20M+ per year, maybe more, which is why it's better to sign him now to $17.5M/year. When the cap presumably hits near $120M, that's like $10.5M/year now for him, which makes sense.

Portland is smart to mess with OKC (same division right?) to force them to pay big bucks on Kanter (and thus the tax bill). His deal is about as bad as a 4 year deal can be, with the trade kicker and player option. At least OKC doesn't have to dish out the max annual raises, so that's a plus.

[Optimus Prime]

That Harden trade looking like one of the worst deals of all time.

Thunder screwed.

:kobe:

[BlakFrankWhite]

That Harden trade looking like one of the worst deals of all time.

Thunder screwed.

:kobe:

Exactly...and the excuses were "he's limited skilled", "plays no defence", "we can develop Reggie Jackson"

Its DE JA f'in VU

[Fudge]

KD gonna take that annual dump on GSW, :roll:
:roll: :banana:

[BlazerRed]

Kanter isn't as bad as you think averaged 18 and 11 last year he can get you buckets in the post ans his defense can only get better at age 22.
:coleman:

[dunksby]

He is not worth it, let the Blazers have him.

[Cowboy Thunder]

He is not worth it, let the Blazers have him.
:cheers:

[BlazerRed]

He is not worth it, let the Blazers have him.
No he's definitely worth it, you could totally should keep him.

[toxicxr6]

Amusing thread now
Thunder and blazer fans fighting over not getting a free agent.. Should be interesting to see what happens

[dunksby]

No he's definitely worth it, you could totally should keep him.
No, please iI beg you :lol

[BigNBAfan]

in before the clippers kidnap him

[Cowboy Thunder]

The more I think about this, the more I like it.

No one will be able to stop this roster next year, not even close.

It will be the greatest assembly of basketball players in NBA history. :applause: :applause:

Now long term, we may be screwed. But to hell with it, carpe diem!

[BlazerRed]

No, please iI beg you :lol
:lol

[KiiiiNG]

Enes is the best C in the entire league. OKC will match, obviously.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Enes is the best C in the entire league. OKC will match, obviously.

He's obviously better than Dwight and ReTardre Jordan.

He's not as good as Marc Gasol though.

[Heavincent]

Blazers ****ed the Thunder over :oldlol:

[FireDavidKahn]

Kanter at a max contract is cringe worthy. Scores 20 but gives up 40.:facepalm

Thunder weren't willing to max Harden but are Kanter?:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Fudge]

Full season with Kanter, Westbrook, Durant, Morrow, Ibaka all healthy.

Damn.

Dey scurred now.

[Springsteen]

Remember when Kanter's teammates ripped his ass after he came back to Utah? That was some straight fire.

[wally_world]

I wouldn't match. 16+ mil starting salary for a part-time starter on this team is ridiculous.

[warriorfan]

Don't give Enes Max...There is no way to build a championship team with this guy as a main piece. This signing will sink OKC.

[BlackVVaves]

Exactly...and the excuses were "he's limited skilled", "plays no defence", "we can develop Reggie Jackson"

Its DE JA f'in VU

Probably this.

He isn't worth it, but OKC have a stable of defensive bigs and NEED a big with some offensive game. Hasn't that been their downfall over the years?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Blazers ****ed the Thunder over :oldlol:
serious, kinda brilliant move by Blazers. They have nothing to lose. They can either sign a super-high potential big or F over one of their division rivals lol.

[j3lademaster]

Kanter is in fact the worst defensive big man of all time

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJgButhUYAAlVLn.png

laughablebargniani looks Bill Russell-esque next to this guy.

[dazzer87]

Another great move from OKC FO.......:roll: :roll:

Hopefully Westbrook does not waste his career playing for this shitty franchise.

[christian1923]

Don't give Enes Max...There is no way to build a championship team with this guy as a main piece. This signing will sink OKC.
He'd be a role player.. Not a main piece.. OKC has 2 of the leagues top 4 players

[Prime_Shaq]

Rofl Portland trying to outbitch DeAndre

[KG215]

Probably this.

He isn't worth it, but OKC have a stable of defensive bigs and NEED a big with some offensive game. Hasn't that been their downfall over the years?
Pretty much this.

I think people are overlooking a couple of things if OKC matches...

1.) No, Kanter is not worth a max contract. Not if you expect him to be your best or second best player on a contending team, and not if you want to give him 30-35 minutes a game. I absolutely agree he's too bad defensively for that. However, that's not going to be his role on this OKC team. He's going to be a 25ish MPG player most likely who gives the Thunder a much needed added dimension to their offense. Something they've never had and have sorely needed in the Durant and Westbrook era. Offensively, a lineup of, say, Westbrook-Morrow-Durant-Ibaka-Kanter is scary good and the floor spacing would be insane. The Thunder could field some devastatingly good offensive lineups with Kanter.

2.) In my opinion Kanter's defensive deficiencies were magnified last season because of OKC's injuries. Kanter didn't get to play alongside Ibaka the last month or so of the season and never got to play with Durant. Roberson also missed a few weeks. That's OKC's three best defensive players. Next season, if OKC is healthy, Kanter will be on the floor more often with better defensive lineups. It won't make him a good defensive player, but it should mask some of his major flaws on that end and make him not look nearly as bad as he did last season.


3.) Kanter's still not worth the max with all of that taken into consideration. However, OKC is in "win now" mode and it'd be a pretty bad look for them in their hopes of keeping Durant if they "went cheap" again. Portland has really put OKC in a tough position, but I won't blame them or be mad if the front office decides to match the offer sheet.

[KiiiiNG]

Kanter might not be worth the max on other teams, but he IS ON THIS ONE.

Reggie Jackson just signed a max deal. He was redundant on the Thunder. We didn't need him.

We needed someone in the post who could score... so we snatched up Mr. Kanter.

Now that we have a competent head coach... all the puzzle pieces are in place.

OKC just won the championship fellas.

Their genius deadline moves, and the firing of scott brooks/hire of billy donovan will ultimately result in a modern day dynasty.


Billy Donovan will eventually take over head coaching duties for Team USA, as he goes on to become one of the top 5 greatest coaches in basketball history.

Durant with multiple titles, multiple MVP's, multiple 1st nba selections, and multiple scoring titles goes on to become top 5 GOAT

Westbrook will continue to be the most competitive athlete in sports and a triple double machine. He'll continue to shun personal accolades on the pursuit of team oriented greatness. He will be remembered for many different reasons, but mainly for his heart and his spirit. A shining example for why the NBA even exists in the first place.

Everyone will be wearing OKC apparel. They will be synonymous will pop culture like the Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys and the Oklahoma Sooners.

Durant will ultimately be remembered as the man who turned OKC into the biggest tourist attraction this side of the pacific.

[ShackEelOKneel]

Rofl Portland trying to outbitch DeAndre

How so? For offering a contract?

[dabigbaws]

Kanter might not be worth the max on other teams, but he IS ON THIS ONE.

Reggie Jackson just signed a max deal. He was redundant on the Thunder. We didn't need him.

We needed someone in the post who could score... so we snatched up Mr. Kanter.

Now that we have a competent head coach... all the puzzle pieces are in place.

OKC just won the championship fellas.

Their genius deadline moves, and the firing of scott brooks/hire of billy donovan will ultimately result in a modern day dynasty.


Billy Donovan will eventually take over head coaching duties for Team USA, as he goes on to become one of the top 5 greatest coaches in basketball history.

Durant with multiple titles, multiple MVP's, multiple 1st nba selections, and multiple scoring titles goes on to become top 5 GOAT

Westbrook will continue to be the most competitive athlete in sports and a triple double machine. He'll continue to shun personal accolades on the pursuit of team oriented greatness. He will be remembered for many different reasons, but mainly for his heart and his spirit. A shining example for why the NBA even exists in the first place.

Everyone will be wearing OKC apparel. They will be synonymous will pop culture like the Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys and the Oklahoma Sooners.

Durant will ultimately be remembered as the man who turned OKC into the biggest tourist attraction this side of the pacific.

COMPLETELY agree eith every single word.

[J Shuttlesworth]

So if OKC doesn't match the offer, would they still be able to replace him with a different player? Or are they over the cap, and would just be losing a piece they traded for?

[dunksby]

So if OKC doesn't match the offer, would they still be able to replace him with a different player? Or are they over the cap, and would just be losing a piece they traded for?
OKC is under the cap by $2.5 million I think.

[Fallen Angel]

Did Mitch McGary fall off the face of the Earth or something?

[Giaodollo]

The most important thing to have in the West is a big man that can defend and rebound, and Kantar doesn't do either. I can see why Thunder fans would be glamoring for a low post big man after the Kendrick Perkins era, but don't put yourself in the notion that you have to overpay for an elite low post player.

Kantar is an elite scoring center, but McGary and Adams aren't garbage in anyway down on the block. The two of them also bring effort on the defensive end, which is highly valuable.

Try not to cloud yourself with the though that you need a potential 20 point scorer down low even if he doesn't play defense because Dwight Howard and Andrew Bogut just made the Western Conference Finals solely from being hustle big men.

Kanter rebounds, career 17 % rebound rate, with OKC at 19 %.

[Bandito]

Rockets could trade Kostas Papanikolauo for Augustin and PJ3.

Thunder then could waive K-Pap, who because has an unguaranteed contract would not cost Oklahoma City anything.

Novak could be traded to Philadelphia for the rights to some random player if the Thunder were to attach a pick.
Why would they do that, I heard picks are worth a lot. Like without them they might not win the rings and the sort.

[wally_world]

OKC is under the cap by $2.5 million I think.

Do we have the MLE?

Let Kanter walk. Pick up a couple of these guys for cheap:
- Carlos Boozer
- Drew Gooden
- Tyler Hansbrough
- Kevin Seraphin
- Greg Smith

heck, even Josh Smith

Amare?

[UK2K]

Dude averaged 19 and 11 on 56% shooting in 31mpg in 26 games for OKC.

In his fourth season.

He's legit.

[Sakkreth]

Dude averaged 19 and 11 on 56% shooting in 31mpg in 26 games for OKC.

In his fourth season.

He's legit.

Not his defense though.

[BlakFrankWhite]

He's the best offensive C in the league.

Not matching would be a boneheaded move

[BlazerRed]

i like ****

[Rocketswin2013]

He's the best offensive C in the league.

Not matching would be a boneheaded move
I would take Cousins over him offensively but that's it. He was an all-star level option with OKC.

[DMAVS41]

Pretty much this.

I think people are overlooking a couple of things if OKC matches...

1.) No, Kanter is not worth a max contract. Not if you expect him to be your best or second best player on a contending team, and not if you want to give him 30-35 minutes a game. I absolutely agree he's too bad defensively for that. However, that's not going to be his role on this OKC team. He's going to be a 25ish MPG player most likely who gives the Thunder a much needed added dimension to their offense. Something they've never had and have sorely needed in the Durant and Westbrook era. Offensively, a lineup of, say, Westbrook-Morrow-Durant-Ibaka-Kanter is scary good and the floor spacing would be insane. The Thunder could field some devastatingly good offensive lineups with Kanter.

2.) In my opinion Kanter's defensive deficiencies were magnified last season because of OKC's injuries. Kanter didn't get to play alongside Ibaka the last month or so of the season and never got to play with Durant. Roberson also missed a few weeks. That's OKC's three best defensive players. Next season, if OKC is healthy, Kanter will be on the floor more often with better defensive lineups. It won't make him a good defensive player, but it should mask some of his major flaws on that end and make him not look nearly as bad as he did last season.


3.) Kanter's still not worth the max with all of that taken into consideration. However, OKC is in "win now" mode and it'd be a pretty bad look for them in their hopes of keeping Durant if they "went cheap" again. Portland has really put OKC in a tough position, but I won't blame them or be mad if the front office decides to match the offer sheet.


And, what seems to be lost in this. The dude is 23 years old. He can improve dramatically as a basketball player over the length of this contract if the Thunder match.

He isn't close to his prime/peak yet...and improving on defense by a large amount is absolutely possible here...especially when he's going to be put into the best possible defensive situation like you detailed above.

I'm not gonna say Kanter is just an elite player or something, but the dude just only turned 23. This signing is way better than it's being made out to be on his potential to improve alone.

Not to mention once the cap goes up these next 2 years...it will actually be in line or slightly +EV for what Kanter gives you on the court.

The biggest issue on the Thunder is Waiters. They have to either get that dipshit under control or move him. Kanter will help them....really not a situation this coming season in which having Kanter is going to hurt them because they can't improve the roster anyway if they don't sign him.

Waiters though? That guy could easily hurt them and I still don't know why Presti struggles so much to find guys at the 2 here. He has ****ed up so much since 2013 it's crazy at that position it's crazy.

[HurricaneKid]

Would people seriously rather go through Kanter than play through Westbrook and KD? And just LOOK at how far the OKC D fell when Kanter anchored it and how much the Jazz D improved once he left.

I am floored that he is going to get this much money. I'm ok with just about any overpay. But not this one. He is an adequate offensive player but anything he gives you there he more than takes away on the other side of the floor. And he wouldn't even be one of the first three offensive options. So why would you pay him like this? And when the playoffs come opponents are going to go right at him and only him. He won't even be able to stay on the floor in the playoffs.

[UK2K]

And, what seems to be lost in this. The dude is 23 years old. He can improve dramatically as a basketball player over the length of this contract if the Thunder match.

He isn't close to his prime/peak yet...and improving on defense by a large amount is absolutely possible here...especially when he's going to be put into the best possible defensive situation like you detailed above.

I'm not gonna say Kanter is just an elite player or something, but the dude just only turned 23. This signing is way better than it's being made out to be on his potential to improve alone.

Not to mention once the cap goes up these next 2 years...it will actually be in line or slightly +EV for what Kanter gives you on the court.

The biggest issue on the Thunder is Waiters. They have to either get that dipshit under control or move him. Kanter will help them....really not a situation this coming season in which having Kanter is going to hurt them because they can't improve the roster anyway if they don't sign him.

Waiters though? That guy could easily hurt them and I still don't know why Presti struggles so much to find guys at the 2 here. He has ****ed up so much since 2013 it's crazy at that position it's crazy.

My thoughts exactly...

Guy went from 4.6, to 7.2, to 15.5, to 18.7ppg with the Thunder.

He almost doubled his ppg each of his first three years. And, he's 23.

[dunksby]

Do we have the MLE?

Let Kanter walk. Pick up a couple of these guys for cheap:
- Carlos Boozer
- Drew Gooden
- Tyler Hansbrough
- Kevin Seraphin
- Greg Smith

heck, even Josh Smith

Amare?
We got BAE and MLE, we can use the former and a portion of the latter for $2.1 million each and have another $3 million to sign more players. We were aabout $4.5 million under the luxury cap and with Singler signedto a mmulti-year deal, I gather the FO are willing to let Kanter go. TBH that dude is not worth matching what the Blazers are offering.

[CarlosBoozer]

Don't match OKC, he's good but not worth 70M.

You can get me for cheap, please.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Bring him back whatever the cost!

[BlakFrankWhite]

LOL @the "If Kanter get max, KD leaves" bulls**t

I bet KD would rather play with Kanter than scrubs like Mcgee or Boozer

[chazzy]

So they'll pay Kanter but not Harden..

[DMAVS41]

LOL @the "If Kanter get max, KD leaves" bulls**t

I bet KD would rather play with Kanter than scrubs like Mcgee or Boozer

KD isn't leaving if the Thunder win the title this year.

Kanter absolutely gives them the best chance to win the title.

Also, the Thunder will do anything/everything to bring KD back next summer. Won't they have cap even with the Kanter signing to improve the roster and then bring KD back by going over the cap?

Win the title...then spend like crazy.

[ShackEelOKneel]

I would take Cousins over him offensively but that's it. He was an all-star level option with OKC.

I would also take Al Jeff.

[ShackEelOKneel]

So they'll pay Kanter but not Harden..

Maybe they'll pay Kanter because of the Harden mistake. If they could go back in time, they would pay Harden.

[CarlosBoozer]

LOL @the "If Kanter get max, KD leaves" bulls**t

I bet KD would rather play with Kanter than scrubs like Mcgee or Boozer
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[BlakFrankWhite]

http://media.giphy.com/media/ZtX3hK04UBS1i/giphy.gif

Oh damn, didn't mean it like that brah...my bad

[CarlosBoozer]

Oh damn, didn't mean it like that brah...my bad
I can't stress this enough, I've got kids and I love cars, not an easy life brah.

[SwishSquared]

KD isn't leaving if the Thunder win the title this year.

Kanter absolutely gives them the best chance to win the title.

Also, the Thunder will do anything/everything to bring KD back next summer. Won't they have cap even with the Kanter signing to improve the roster and then bring KD back by going over the cap?

Win the title...then spend like crazy.If they give Waiters a QO (assuming they don't extend him), retract the PJ3 qualifying offer (assuming he's not traded), and pick up team options on Morrow/Adams/McGary/Roberson, then they should be over the cap factoring in KD's cap hold and the new contracts given to Kanter & Singler. That also doesn't factor in if they have a first round pick next year. I calculated nearly $100M on the books and that didn't count any empty-roster spot charges (though I don't think that would apply) or Cam Payne's contract.

One low key thing that could make/break the Thunder- Contract Year Waiters. If he plays smart and under control, he can be really useful. Problem is he's never done it for an entire season. I'm not holding my breath but maybe a stacked, healthy squad + new coaching staff reach him.

[DMAVS41]

If they give Waiters a QO (assuming they don't extend him), retract the PJ3 qualifying offer (assuming he's not traded), and pick up team options on Morrow/Adams/McGary/Roberson, then they should be over the cap factoring in KD's cap hold and the new contracts given to Kanter & Singler. That also doesn't factor in if they have a first round pick next year. I calculated nearly $100M on the books and that didn't count any empty-roster spot charges (though I don't think that would apply)

One low key thing that could make/break the Thunder- Contract Year Waiters. If he plays smart and under control, he can be really useful. Problem is he's never done it for an entire season. I'm not holding my breath but maybe a stacked, healthy squad + new coaching staff reach him.

I think Waiters has to go. It's too risky both short and long term.

I really feel like it's time for the Thunder to make a move with in the trade market. They blew their opportunities for this in 14 and it cost them the title in my opinion.

They need to throw Waiters and whatever picks they can at a team to get a player that makes sense on this roster both now and going forward.

I forgot about the Singler contract.

So if they don't have much, if any, wiggle room on the cap going forward...there only chance to get any better and improve the roster is moving Waiters and picks.

Can they match Kanter without moving PJIII? Because I would think Waiters, PJIII, and picks could net you a real player.

[SwishSquared]

I think Waiters has to go. It's too risky both short and long term.

I really feel like it's time for the Thunder to make a move with in the trade market. They blew their opportunities for this in 14 and it cost them the title in my opinion.

They need to throw Waiters and whatever picks they can at a team to get a player that makes sense on this roster both now and going forward.

I forgot about the Singler contract.

So if they don't have much, if any, wiggle room on the cap going forward...there only chance to get any better and improve the roster is moving Waiters and picks.

Can they match Kanter without moving PJIII? Because I would think Waiters, PJIII, and picks could net you a real player.They can match him without moving anybody, they'll just have a $40M tax bill this season if Augustin/Novak/PJ3/Waiters are all on the team at year's end. If the owners are willing to risk that bill to win the title, they will be pretty darn deep overall, though I, like you, don't love their SG situation.

Keeping Kanter is the only way to put the most talented team on the floor, so I think they have to match. I am still skeptical of his ability to improve on defense. He's so slow by nature and he doesn't yet understand rotations after 4 years in the NBA. He's an offensive force but is the worst defensive rotation big in the whole league. Can't defend PnR and terrible in the paint. You can't let him leave for nothing, though. Match and at worst, trade him next summer.

They owe Philly and Utah future first round picks, so they can't trade one for a long time (like 2020 at the earliest I think). They can pull Philly into a trade (in hopes of extinguishing their future obligation and thus opening up a pick to trade) but it would cost them Payne I bet. I'm not sure who they should target though. I don't think Waiters/PJ3/future first is the most attractive package nowadays.

[DMAVS41]

They can match him without moving anybody, they'll just have a $40M tax bill this season if Augustin/Novak/PJ3/Waiters are all on the team at year's end. If the owners are willing to risk that bill to win the title, they will be pretty darn deep overall, though I, like you, don't love their SG situation.

Keeping Kanter is the only way to put the most talented team on the floor, so I think they have to match. I am still skeptical of his ability to improve on defense. He's so slow by nature and he doesn't yet understand rotations after 4 years in the NBA. He's an offensive force but is the worst defensive rotation big in the whole league. Can't defend PnR and terrible in the paint. You can't let him leave for nothing, though. Match and at worst, trade him next summer.

They owe Philly and Utah future first round picks, so they can't trade one for a long time (like 2020 at the earliest I think). They can pull Philly into a trade (in hopes of extinguishing their future obligation and thus opening up a pick to trade) but it would cost them Payne I bet. I'm not sure who they should target though. I don't think Waiters/PJ3/future first is the most attractive package nowadays.

Kanter will almost surely not improve in a real way in terms of his quickness. But I do think there is a lot of room for improvement in understanding rotations and his man to man post defense....especially playing next to Ibaka.

He is no doubt terrible on that end, but if there was ever a situation that he could improve and a team could make it work...it's here on the Thunder.

Yea...their pick obligations are a problem here. Improving this roster is just going to be difficult.

Waiters/PJIII/Pick is absolutely not attractive, but there is always a team looking to shed a contract of a decent player and or get younger. I consider Waiters to be a huge risk here...huge risk in terms of winning the title (which makes Presti's acquisition here very poor imo)...so when I say a real player. I don't mean a ton.

I'd have to look into it, but I just don't think Waiters is worth having out there in critical playoff moments. I love what JVG says...."dumb gets you beat"....Waiters is the epitome of dumb on the basketball court so far in his career.

[HurricaneKid]

KD isn't leaving if the Thunder win the title this year.

Kanter absolutely gives them the best chance to win the title.

Also, the Thunder will do anything/everything to bring KD back next summer. Won't they have cap even with the Kanter signing to improve the roster and then bring KD back by going over the cap?

Win the title...then spend like crazy.

Kanter doesn't know how to play PnR defense. I taught my 7th and 8th grade AAU defenses that he doesn't understand. What do you think is going to happen in the playoffs when teams go AT the opposition's biggest weaknesses. Kanter literally won't be able to stay in the game in the playoffs. David Lee looks like Bill Russell defensively next to Kanter. And in his "breakout" Finals game he had 5 fouls in 13 min. Thats a best case scenario for Kanter.

The guy has some nice skillsets and is a beast physically. But he will NOT make that team more likely to win a title. At BEST he is their 3rd or 4th scorer and you cannot have a liability like him for that slight a reward.

And if KD leaves after this year OKC becomes irrelevant for the next 5 years because they won't be able to build a foundation around Kanter's 4/70. Which means RWB probably then goes to LAL. And then things get ugly.

[DMAVS41]

Kanter doesn't know how to play PnR defense. I taught my 7th and 8th grade AAU defenses that he doesn't understand. What do you think is going to happen in the playoffs when teams go AT the opposition's biggest weaknesses. Kanter literally won't be able to stay in the game in the playoffs. David Lee looks like Bill Russell defensively next to Kanter. And in his "breakout" Finals game he had 5 fouls in 13 min. Thats a best case scenario for Kanter.

The guy has some nice skillsets and is a beast physically. But he will NOT make that team more likely to win a title. At BEST he is their 3rd or 4th scorer and you cannot have a liability like him for that slight a reward.

And if KD leaves after this year OKC becomes irrelevant for the next 5 years because they won't be able to build a foundation around Kanter's 4/70. Which means RWB probably then goes to LAL. And then things get ugly.


I don't like to start putting limits on 23 year old players that haven't been in good basketball situations, at all, in their careers to date.

Everyone that watches and knows the game knows that he's been a horrendous defender...especially on any play involving quickness.

But lets tap the brakes and just saying a 23 year old can't get better or learn to adapt his game given certain team conditions.

Also, if KD leaves...they are done anyway. Kanter or no Kanter won't make that difference if KD leaves.

[KG215]

And, what seems to be lost in this. The dude is 23 years old. He can improve dramatically as a basketball player over the length of this contract if the Thunder match.

He isn't close to his prime/peak yet...and improving on defense by a large amount is absolutely possible here...especially when he's going to be put into the best possible defensive situation like you detailed above.

I'm not gonna say Kanter is just an elite player or something, but the dude just only turned 23. This signing is way better than it's being made out to be on his potential to improve alone.

Not to mention once the cap goes up these next 2 years...it will actually be in line or slightly +EV for what Kanter gives you on the court.

The biggest issue on the Thunder is Waiters. They have to either get that dipshit under control or move him. Kanter will help them....really not a situation this coming season in which having Kanter is going to hurt them because they can't improve the roster anyway if they don't sign him.

Waiters though? That guy could easily hurt them and I still don't know why Presti struggles so much to find guys at the 2 here. He has ****ed up so much since 2013 it's crazy at that position it's crazy.
Exactly. And people seem to be overlooking that Ibaka is pretty much the ideal PF to pair next to Kanter on the defensive end. I nkow a lot of people think Ibaka is a really overrated defender, but you can't deny his rim protection ability and he's a solid pick-n-roll defender. With Roberson, Durant, and Ibaka you have three plus defenders with insane length and good defensive versatility. Those three on the floor at the same time (finally) would go a long ways in masking some of Kanter's defensive flaws. Unfortunately he rarely or never got to play with those three at the same time last season.

[SwishSquared]

Kanter will almost surely not improve in a real way in terms of his quickness. But I do think there is a lot of room for improvement in understanding rotations and his man to man post defense....especially playing next to Ibaka.

He is no doubt terrible on that end, but if there was ever a situation that he could improve and a team could make it work...it's here on the Thunder.

Yea...their pick obligations are a problem here. Improving this roster is just going to be difficult.

Waiters/PJIII/Pick is absolutely not attractive, but there is always a team looking to shed a contract of a decent player and or get younger. I consider Waiters to be a huge risk here...huge risk in terms of winning the title (which makes Presti's acquisition here very poor imo)...so when I say a real player. I don't mean a ton.

I'd have to look into it, but I just don't think Waiters is worth having out there in critical playoff moments. I love what JVG says...."dumb gets you beat"....Waiters is the epitome of dumb on the basketball court so far in his career.I guess I'm just shocked how a guy who's spent 4 years in the NBA seems so limited in defensive knowledge and motivation. Sure, he hasn't had a top coach or anything, but guys like Hayward, Favors, Gobert, etc. at least show they know what to do. I know they're much more athletic than Kanter but they actually understand defense. Even Exum knows defense better than Kanter lol (again, he's very quick, but he doesn't do as much stupid stuff it seems).

He likely shares floor with Ibaka and Roberson 80% of the time, otherwise there isn't enough help D to make up for his deficiencies. I don't want to put a ceiling on such a young guy, but I guess I had higher expectations for him. I'm pretty sure he's had 2 surgeries on a knee in last 3 years to clean it out, so that's something I'm going to monitor. If he gets even slower, I'm not sure he can play angles or position himself well enough.

I mean Vuc struggles to get to spots in Orlando and he actually knows where to go, with no Ibaka and Vaughn coaching him the past couple years.

That's a good point- somebody might take a chance on PJ3/Waiters, so you never know which GM does something stupid. Like I said, Philly would take on junk to get Payne and could waive/trade Waiters to somebody for a 2nd round pick, but I don't think Presti goes for that.

Lol Waiters could help the Mavs tanking cause if you want to go down that road. Or maybe you're reversing course with D-Will and Boozer potentially.

[HurricaneKid]

I don't like to start putting limits on 23 year old players that haven't been in good basketball situations, at all, in their careers to date.

Everyone that watches and knows the game knows that he's been a horrendous defender...especially on any play involving quickness.

But lets tap the brakes and just saying a 23 year old can't get better or learn to adapt his game given certain team conditions.

Also, if KD leaves...they are done anyway. Kanter or no Kanter won't make that difference if KD leaves.

And I would generally agree with you. But this is another matter entirely. This is a player who has had every resource available to him. He couldn't play at UK but he spent a season with Cal and his team. He has been in the NBA for 4 years with coaches that will work with him on anything. Instead of developing his defense he started shooting 3s. And its not like they wouldn't have pressed an all time awful defender to get better. Its why he got sent packing from Utah for a bag of peanuts, and why they got noticably better.

And still he wouldn't work at his craft. Now he has signed a 70M contract. Do you really think he is going to suddenly find passion for improving his defense now that he and his family have a lifetime of security?

He is Waiters only a foot taller.

Yes, he is a physical beast. But offenses will destroy him in the playoffs. They will put him at the fulcrum of everything they do. He won't even be playable in a great number of playoff games. Thats how bad he is defensively.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Kanter might not be worth the max on other teams, but he IS ON THIS ONE.

Reggie Jackson just signed a max deal. He was redundant on the Thunder. We didn't need him.

We needed someone in the post who could score... so we snatched up Mr. Kanter.

Now that we have a competent head coach... all the puzzle pieces are in place.

OKC just won the championship fellas.

Their genius deadline moves, and the firing of scott brooks/hire of billy donovan will ultimately result in a modern day dynasty.


Billy Donovan will eventually take over head coaching duties for Team USA, as he goes on to become one of the top 5 greatest coaches in basketball history.

Durant with multiple titles, multiple MVP's, multiple 1st nba selections, and multiple scoring titles goes on to become top 5 GOAT

Westbrook will continue to be the most competitive athlete in sports and a triple double machine. He'll continue to shun personal accolades on the pursuit of team oriented greatness. He will be remembered for many different reasons, but mainly for his heart and his spirit. A shining example for why the NBA even exists in the first place.

Everyone will be wearing OKC apparel. They will be synonymous will pop culture like the Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys and the Oklahoma Sooners.

Durant will ultimately be remembered as the man who turned OKC into the biggest tourist attraction this side of the pacific.

Had me hard as rock till here. Oh well, 9.9/10 :applause:

[el gringos]

Is this a done deal that okc matches or is there a chance they just take something like Meyers Leanord and mc collum and run?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Is this a done deal that okc matches or is there a chance they just take something like Meyers Leanord and mc collum and run?

You mean like trade Kanter for Leonard and McCollum?

I don't think that would be possible any more. He already signed an offer sheet with Portland. OKC can either match or let him walk. I don't think a trade would be possible at this point in time after Kanter already signed an offer sheet with Portland. (Not sure tho, anyone know specifics?)

Also, I can promise you, Portland wouldn't trade their 2nd and 3rd best players for Kanter.

But anyways, I am anxious to see if OKC matches or not. Enes would be a great addition to a young blazers team looking to rebuild.

[SwishSquared]

You mean like trade Kanter for Leonard and McCollum?

I don't think that would be possible any more. He already signed an offer sheet with Portland. OKC can either match or let him walk. I don't think a trade would be possible at this point in time after Kanter already signed an offer sheet with Portland. (Not sure tho, anyone know specifics?)

Also, I can promise you, Portland wouldn't trade their 2nd and 3rd best players for Kanter.

But anyways, I am anxious to see if OKC matches or not. Enes would be a great addition to a young blazers team looking to rebuild.Once OKC receives the offer sheet (they have), a S&T is no longer possible.

I'm not really convinced Portland actually wants Kanter long-term. They had cap space to mess with a division rival. If OKC matches and doesn't dump contracts, they'll have a $40M tax bill. Sure, Kanter is very skilled offensively but is a traffic cone on defense. He'd prop up their offense but a team starting Lillard and Kanter at the 1 and 5 spots is gonna be bottom 5 defensively for sure lol.

[KNOW1EDGE]

From my understanding, Blazers GM Neil Olshey sees it as a win-win, can't miss offer-sheet.

If OKC matches it hurts their cap space and wiggle-room to sign free-agents or retain their guys. Hurting a divisional foe would def be a win.

If OKC doesn't match, and Kanter comes to Portland, they win again. Even if Portland doesn't plan on having Kanter long-term, he is a positive asset that can be traded for other talent.

Blazers can't lose. They had plenty of cap space and Olshey has always said he's all about gathering assets.

Just like he did with Thomas Robinson, got him for scraps, eventually traded him for Aaron Afflalo.

Kanter would be another big guy we could develop and see if we like. Then either invest in him or trade him for another asset

[BlakFrankWhite]

From my understanding, Blazers GM Neil Olshey sees it as a win-win, can't miss offer-sheet.

If OKC matches it hurts their cap space and wiggle-room to sign free-agents or retain their guys. Hurting a divisional foe would def be a win.

If OKC doesn't match, and Kanter comes to Portland, they win again. Even if Portland doesn't plan on having Kanter long-term, he is a positive asset that can be traded for other talent.

Blazers can't lose. They had plenty of cap space and Olshey has always said he's all about gathering assets.

Just like he did with Thomas Robinson, got him for scraps, eventually traded him for Aaron Afflalo.

Kanter would be another big guy we could develop and see if we like. Then either invest in him or trade him for another asset

What 'foe'?....come on dude...your team aint on our level...next season you guys win 35 games max...while OKC gonna win over 60 games and. Prolly the championship itself

And I bet even if Portland get a high draft pick and chance of drafting Ben Simmons...they'd rather get an injury prone big man (sound familiar) lol

Hold the L Portland, Now and Forever

[KNOW1EDGE]

What 'foe'?....come on dude...your team aint on our level...next season you guys win 35 games max...while OKC gonna win over 60 games and. Prolly the championship itself

And I bet even if Portland get a high draft pick and chance of drafting Ben Simmons...they'd rather get an injury prone big man (sound familiar) lol

Hold the L Portland, Now and Forever

Relax, Simon.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Can y'all believe Kanter is just a year older than Frank the Tank.....and prolly 10x the player.

Bring him back!

[HurricaneKid]

From my understanding, Blazers GM Neil Olshey sees it as a win-win, can't miss offer-sheet.

If OKC matches it hurts their cap space and wiggle-room to sign free-agents or retain their guys. Hurting a divisional foe would def be a win.

If OKC doesn't match, and Kanter comes to Portland, they win again. Even if Portland doesn't plan on having Kanter long-term, he is a positive asset that can be traded for other talent.

Blazers can't lose. They had plenty of cap space and Olshey has always said he's all about gathering assets.

Just like he did with Thomas Robinson, got him for scraps, eventually traded him for Aaron Afflalo.

Kanter would be another big guy we could develop and see if we like. Then either invest in him or trade him for another asset

Giving quite possibly the worst defender to ever play in the NBA to a max deal is NOT a win.

And there is a bunch of trade escalators, etc that make it really tough to trade him. It was one of the things Port did to make it tough to trade him (and pick up some pieces to support KD, RWB, etc).

Make no mistake about it, whoever ends up with him has in one moment added the worst contract in the NBA into the fold.

[BlackVVaves]

Would people seriously rather go through Kanter than play through Westbrook and KD?

Who is inferring the Thunder offense should go through Kanter as opposed to KD and WB? What part of "third-option" is difficult to grasp?

Please tell me his far OKC has gone since losing their last viable third offensive optuon. I'll wait.

[HurricaneKid]

Who is inferring the Thunder offense should go through Kanter as opposed to KD and WB? What part of "third-option" is difficult to grasp?

Please tell me his far OKC has gone since losing their last viable third offensive optuon. I'll wait.

If you think employing the worst defensive big in the history of the game is worth the marginal improvement in going from Ibaka as the third option to Kanter (and Ibaka has a career .575TS%, Kanter last year was .561) you are insane. And thats not even considering the madness that of the 4/70 deal.

Its one thing if you are going to go through this guy on every play. Its another when his liabilites are going to be taken advantage of on most plays on one side of the floor and his strengths are barely going to be utilized.

[KiiiiNG]

If you think employing the worst defensive big in the history of the game is worth the marginal improvement in going from Ibaka as the third option to Kanter (and Ibaka has a career .575TS%, Kanter last year was .561) you are insane. And thats not even considering the madness that of the 4/70 deal.

Its one thing if you are going to go through this guy on every play. Its another when his liabilites are going to be taken advantage of on most plays on one side of the floor and his strengths are barely going to be utilized.
You're wrong. You're just wrong.

Kanter is much more reliable than Ibaka on offense.

You do whatever it takes to win NOW. That's what OKC is doing, you nub. You're convinced they're not a much better team with Kanter then I dont know what to tell you.

I dont CARE what the analytics say about his defense.

Last year DOESN'T count. We haven't seen him with a healthy group.

Kanter is a monster and you're scared ****ing shitless about it.

[HurricaneKid]

You're wrong. You're just wrong.

Kanter is much more reliable than Ibaka on offense.

You do whatever it takes to win NOW. That's what OKC is doing, you nub. You're convinced they're not a much better team with Kanter then I dont know what to tell you.

I dont CARE what the analytics say about his defense.

Last year DOESN'T count. We haven't seen him with a healthy group.

Kanter is a monster and you're scared ****ing shitless about it.

No he isn't. And if he is its by a hair. And he gives up SOOOooo much on the other end. They were 7.6 points worse defensively after they traded for him. And Utah went from #26 in the league to a top 5 defense after the trade. I'm floored anyone thinks this guy can play at all.

I LIKE OKC. I want them to go deep. And yes, I think OKC is better without him.

Typical ISH, don't care about D. When thats what wins in this league.

[KiiiiNG]

No he isn't. And if he is its by a hair. And he gives up SOOOooo much on the other end. They were 7.6 points worse defensively after they traded for him. And Utah went from #26 in the league to a top 5 defense after the trade. I'm floored anyone thinks this guy can play at all.

I LIKE OKC. I want them to go deep. And yes, I think OKC is better without him.

Typical ISH, don't care about D. When thats what wins in this league.
Alright man... whatever you say.

Kanter/Adams may end up being a filthy duo. Adams protecting the rim, while Kanter scores in the paint. KD/WB/Kanter..... that's probably the best offensive trio in the league. Actually it isn't even close.

[SwishSquared]

Alright man... whatever you say.

Kanter/Adams may end up being a filthy duo. Adams protecting the rim, while Kanter scores in the paint. KD/WB/Kanter..... that's probably the best offensive trio in the league. Actually it isn't even close.I know there's some noise in this sample, but the Kanter/Adams duo was outscored by nearly 4 points per 100 possessions last year. Granted, no KD and all the other injuries may mess with that data.

I don't think that pairing is a great defensive fit though. Plus, Kanter is great near the basket on offense. He can shoot, but moving him away from the hoop on O and moving Adams away from the hoop on D means you aren't maximizing their abilities.

Just my 2 cents