View Full Version : Why cant players form a super team?
I feel like this has been mentioned on here before, but what is preventing 10 stars from taking $6m a piece and forming a super team?
The contract is small, but the amount of marketing revenue you'd get from a 10 player super team in NYC or LA would be stupid.
Plus, they'd set all kinds of records, and just win every year over and over again.
Is there any legal way to stop this? Or could the Cavs, Rockets, and Thunder all opt out, go to NYC, and combine teams when all the players take pay cuts?
riseagainst
07-09-2015, 04:42 PM
they would lose a lot of fans. NBA will eventually make a rule because they can't lose all the revenue. "No more than 3 players in the top 20 in PER can be on the same team."
chazzy
07-09-2015, 04:43 PM
That's a ton of money to give up and sharing the spotlight with that many stars will diminish your individual brand. Someone has to be a role player etc
they would lose a lot of fans. NBA will eventually make a rule because they can't lose all the revenue. "No more than 3 players in the top 20 in PER can be on the same team."
Tell me people wouldnt watch their games?
Kentucky had a super team last year, and many of their games had more viewers than most of the NBA playoffs.
SugarHill
07-09-2015, 04:46 PM
money and individual glory > winning
Velocirap31
07-09-2015, 04:47 PM
Money, that's why. Winning is cool, but money is more important. Only older players that have already made a fortune take less money to win.
FLDFSU
07-09-2015, 04:47 PM
Because at the end of the day...it is the TEAMS that have the authority to sign players...not the other way around.
The top 14 NBA players can all get together and say we are going to take the vet min in order to be on the same team...and if a team is unwilling to do so...they are going nowhere...
That is the reason why this whole player "collusion" is so idiotic. Players cannot collude...only teams as represented by Owners/Presidents/GMs/Executive Officers can collude. Players have zero power to collude.
That's a ton of money to give up and sharing the spotlight with that many stars will diminish your individual brand. Someone has to be a role player etc
Im thinking like 5 in, 5 out. Even if you wanted to lower it to, say, 8 stars at $8m a piece...
Lebron has over $100 million in endorsement deals right now, which is about 3 times what his NBA salary is.
Even if you take a $15m cut to play on a super team, you are winning title after title and still getting your endorsements (more).
Cocaine80s
07-09-2015, 04:47 PM
Tell me people wouldnt watch their games?
Kentucky had a super team last year, and many of their games had more viewers than most of the NBA playoffs.
:biggums:
source?
Money, that's why. Winning is cool, but money is more important. Only older players that have already made a fortune take less money to win.
See post above.
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/kurtbadenhausen/files/2014/01/lebrons-world_REVISED.jpg
His endorsement deals are more than his salary, easily. Imagine a super team full of big names. They'd get every endorsement in the world.
Like great player (looking at you Kobe), their salary is nothing compared to their endorsements.
:biggums:
source?
You can look it up.
The NBA doesnt have shit on Kentucky's fanbase.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2014/07/halftime-the-50-most-watched-sporting-events-of-2014-so-far/
That was from last year, but you can see two of UK's games (when their team wasn't that great) were watched by more viewers than ANY NBA game all season, including playoffs.
ShackEelOKneel
07-09-2015, 04:54 PM
See post above.
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/kurtbadenhausen/files/2014/01/lebrons-world_REVISED.jpg
His endorsement deals are more than his salary, easily. Imagine a super team full of big names. They'd get every endorsement in the world.
Like great player (looking at you Kobe), their salary is nothing compared to their endorsements.
Yeah, HIS endorsement deals. But if you find the 5 bench players that will be on this team, their endorsements will be smaller, their contract will be smaller, and their personal glory will be less. Bosh and Love have at times struggled being the 3rd man. Imagine how upset they would be as the 10th man.
Velocirap31
07-09-2015, 04:55 PM
There is going to be some mega-collusion soon in Cleveland. We're talking Wade-Paul-Melo-Lebron. They're going to be old, but they'll make one last push for a championship or two.
Cocaine80s
07-09-2015, 04:56 PM
You can look it up.
The NBA doesnt have shit on Kentucky's fanbase.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2014/07/halftime-the-50-most-watched-sporting-events-of-2014-so-far/
That was from last year, but you can see two of UK's games (when their team wasn't that great) were watched by more viewers than ANY NBA game all season, including playoffs.
yea but 2014 finals had pretty low ratings
How do they compare to the cavs-warriors finals?
bluechox2
07-09-2015, 05:00 PM
eventually, you'll only be worth 6 mil when you are looking for a payday
ShackEelOKneel
07-09-2015, 05:01 PM
Just realized that image showed 26 home sell outs with a big 3 as if that is impressive. :facepalm
FKAri
07-09-2015, 05:03 PM
money and individual glory > winning
This. No one actually wants to win in this league. It's just a fairytale we tell ourselves so the charade can continue. This is entertainment; it's show biz. Otherwise people might stop, look around, and realize we're watching and rooting for grown men in shorts playing a children's ball game.
Fallen Angel
07-09-2015, 05:07 PM
A championship ring isn't gonna pay my bills and send my kids to college.
Real Men Wear Green
07-09-2015, 05:10 PM
Max contracts can pay 20+ mil per year. It would take a lot of ad revenue to make up for that. Plus guys that become superstars generally get that way because they have a strong desire to dominate. It's considered a big thing for a guy like Wade to just become a second option. OP iss talking about great players being roleplayers and even reserves. Not going to happen. And that's a good thing because the NBA needs a little bit or parity, a few stars joining up is ok, maybe even beneficial but you don't want one or two teams having every star.
SugarHill
07-09-2015, 05:12 PM
Seriously, though, soccer is the worst sport in the world when you think about it. Clubs legit have 3 of the top 10 players in the world on the same team. All the top teams have multiple top 30 players on their team. It's like what is the point?
Chief Keef
07-09-2015, 05:27 PM
Just realized that image showed 26 home sell outs with a big 3 as if that is impressive. :facepalm
Miami though
chocolatethunder
07-09-2015, 05:30 PM
I feel like this has been mentioned on here before, but what is preventing 10 stars from taking $6m a piece and forming a super team?
The contract is small, but the amount of marketing revenue you'd get from a 10 player super team in NYC or LA would be stupid.
Plus, they'd set all kinds of records, and just win every year over and over again.
Is there any legal way to stop this? Or could the Cavs, Rockets, and Thunder all opt out, go to NYC, and combine teams when all the players take pay cuts?
You're overestimating marketing revenue and needing to be in a large market to make endorsement money. Only a few players are truly marketable and there probably aren't 10 real marketing studs in the league right now. With the Internet and social media now, which city you play in isn't as important.
FKAri
07-09-2015, 05:31 PM
Seriously, though, soccer is the worst sport in the world when you think about it. Clubs legit have 3 of the top 10 players in the world on the same team. All the top teams have multiple top 30 players on their team. It's like what is the point?
Yeah the NBA's been lucky to have something like this happen yet:
http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2008-12/67857/list_640px.jpg
ralph_i_el
07-09-2015, 05:36 PM
See post above.
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/kurtbadenhausen/files/2014/01/lebrons-world_REVISED.jpg
His endorsement deals are more than his salary, easily. Imagine a super team full of big names. They'd get every endorsement in the world.
Like great player (looking at you Kobe), their salary is nothing compared to their endorsements.
How are they going to get more endorsements by playing less minutes and a smaller role? Putting all these guys on the same team is not going to help any of them financially.
SugarHill
07-09-2015, 05:41 PM
Yeah the NBA's been lucky to have something like this happen yet:
http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2008-12/67857/list_640px.jpg
Barca once had the top 3 vote getters for Ballon d'Or on the same team at the same time :biggums:
Real and Barca have most of the best players in their league. The best scorer in the EPL just went to the best team in the Spanish league to join the best scorer in the world and another top tier scorer to form the most dangerous attack in the world:kobe:
Between Chelsea and Arsenal, most of the top 10 players in the EPL are accounted for. :oldlol:
The German league's second best team is a farm for the best team where their best players just jump
Papaya Petee
07-09-2015, 05:47 PM
Barca once had the top 3 vote getters for Ballon d'Or on the same team at the same time :biggums:
Real and Barca have most of the best players in their league. The best scorer in the EPL just went to the best team in the Spanish league to join the best scorer in the world and another top tier scorer to form the most dangerous attack in the world:kobe:
Between Chelsea and Arsenal, most of the top 10 players in the EPL are accounted for. :oldlol:
The German league's second best team is a farm for the best team where their best players just jump
In regards to German Bundesliga, its about the money. Borussia was better than Bayern for a few years until they bought out Gotze and Lewandowski.
You have 2 dominant teams in Spain, with 3 other strong teams (Atletico, Valencia and Sevilla)
About 4 strong teams in EPL.
PSG in France
and Juve in Italy
And until the richest men in the world own those top teams, this will never change.
Clyde
07-09-2015, 05:59 PM
they would lose a lot of fans. NBA will eventually make a rule because they can't lose all the revenue. "No more than 3 players in the top 20 in PER can be on the same team."
well.....that would never happen
ShackEelOKneel
07-09-2015, 06:04 PM
Miami though
I know, it is just further evidence of how pathetic their fans are. Did they sell out any once LeBron left? Maybe just the home opener or something?
DaSeba5
07-09-2015, 06:06 PM
Because players want to succeed with their own brand. They don't want their legacy to be that they teamed up with a bunch of stars to form an all-star team. And I don't mean forming a big 3, I mean forming an all-star team.
As somebody said, a player like Wade accepting to be the 2nd option is huge. A lot of stars would not be on board with that in their primes, never mind being a reserve.
TheMarkMadsen
07-09-2015, 06:08 PM
this thing called competition....
not much of an accomplishment if the team you play on literally has the 5 best players on the court at all times..
How are they going to get more endorsements by playing less minutes and a smaller role? Putting all these guys on the same team is not going to help any of them financially.
Seeing, say, the WC all stars play every night wouldn't bring in more endorsements?
Do you realize how global a team with Lebron, Carmelo, Harden, Westbrook, and Cousins would be.
Realistically, those 5 right there could take $5m a piece with plenty of room to spare. Throw in Rose, Dwight, Wall, Durant... They'd crush teams on a nightly basis without breaking a sweat. It'd be an oop fest. That'd be the sickest thing to watch. It'd be like watching an NBA team go to a pickup game and do cool shit.
They would become the greatest team ever assembled in the history of any sport. Look how captivating Lebron is by himself. What else would ESPN talk about besides that team? Who would care about the other teams? They'd be news every night going for X amount of games in a row or setting a record doing this or that.
Who else would you spend your advertising budget on? Some team who Kaly Thompson and no hope of ever winning a title? You gonna spend it on a star player who loses to a super team by 30? How boring would the rest of the league be?
No you're not. Probably a vast majority of advertising dollars in the NBA would be spent on just those 5-8 players.
DaSeba5
07-09-2015, 06:12 PM
I know, it is just further evidence of how pathetic their fans are. Did they sell out any once LeBron left? Maybe just the home opener or something?
Well they were 5th in attendance last year. We have a lot of good fans that get a bad rep because of the big 3 era. Miami is an event town. People have a ton of other things to do rather than watch Miami beat up on a team like the Sixers. But when the playoffs start, it's the go to event of the town. It's just how the market is, at least in that city. But I know and see too many Heat fans in South FL to say they are pathetic.
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