Where did DeAndre Jordan say there was a verbal agreement?

[zizozain]

saying ''it sounds good, i will think about it'' is not a verbal agreement

link anyone?

all i can find is cuban, Dan Fegan, some media PUSHING for the signing.

i believe the 'DeAndre Jordan misled by agent and cuban' news

[Vancouver-Grizz]

saying ''it sounds good, i will think about it'' is not a verbal agreement

link anyone?

all i can find is cuban, Dan Fegan, some media PUSHING for the signing.

i believe the 'DeAndre Jordan misled by agent and cuban' news


It was funny,

I saw a twitter post yesterday on ESPN that questioned what was Cuban thinking when DeAndre Jordan never even publicly announced or acknowledging that he has agreed to terms with Dallas.

Tried to look for it but there was none so I am assuming it was Fegan who kind of made the announcement.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Stein/Aldridge reported it. Do we have to literally be "in the room" and hear him?

[monkeypox]

There's no way it wasn't said in private. It doesn't have to be blasted on twitter to be real. Apparently Fagen is good friends with Cuban and was pushing for the move to the Mavs. The Clippers did the smart thing and isolated Jordan from Fagen.

[ImKobe]

Did DeAndre Jordan ever even publicly come out and say he chose the Mavs?

[Levity]

If a verbal commitment is made, but OP isnt around to hear it, does it really exist?

[monkeypox]

Coach Rivers said he was contacted by Jordan saying he regretted his decision. If he never agreed, then what is there to regret?

[Spurs m8]

LOL people trying to defend this weak arse bitch and any morals and ethics for those involved.

If you can't see the problem, you're the kind of person I would never want to do business with IRL
Shady mofo

[ShackEelOKneel]

Coach Rivers said he was contacted by Jordan saying he regretted his decision. If he never agreed, then what is there to regret?

This. He obviously made his decision, but then changed his mind.

[KNOW1EDGE]

If there was a verbal agreement does it matter?

Or do only legal contracts that have been signed matter?

Oh, that's right, only legal contracts that have been signed matter.

[chazzy]

He verbally agreed with the Mavs in person, his agent called Doc and told him he was leaving, everyone reported it. What's so confusing?

[KNOW1EDGE]

He verbally agreed with the Mavs in person, his agent called Doc and told him he was leaving, everyone reported it. What's so confusing?

He signed a contract with the Los Angeles Clippers.

Not sure where the confusion is coming from...

[Fallen Angel]

If there was a verbal agreement does it matter?

Or do only legal contracts that have been signed matter?

Oh, that's right, only legal contracts that have been signed matter.
Teams change their free agency plans due to verbal agreements, you can't have one player have free control of every single team that is offering him a contract. What's even worse is that DeAndre Jordan changed his mind hours before players were allowed to actually sign contracts, leaving Dallas in the water. What's even worse than that is the charade Blake Griffin and company put out on Twitter making a joke out of this.

This is nothing compared to the Chris Paul veto, the Lakers could went from a championship contender to a Super Team. The Mavericks have now went from playoff contender to Lottery Team.

[Rose'sACL]

There was never an announcement from Jordan because Cuban insisted that Jordan announces it on Cyberdust.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I agree.

It was an immature, irresponsible, unprofessional thing for DJ to do.

My point is; according to the rules of the NBA(and U.S law) he did nothing wrong.

He signed a contract with Los Angeles and is now a Clipper once again. A verbal agreement, in any line of business, is not legally binding.

[Fallen Angel]

I agree.

It was an immature, irresponsible, unprofessional thing for DJ to do.

My point is; according to the rules of the NBA(and U.S law) he did nothing wrong.

He signed a contract with Los Angeles and is now a Clipper once again. A verbal agreement, in any line of business, is not legally binding.
Trust me, there'll be a change to the Free Agency period. Because of the Clippers we're bound for another lockout.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I agree.

It was an immature, irresponsible, unprofessional thing for DJ to do.

My point is; according to the rules of the NBA(and U.S law) he did nothing wrong.

He signed a contract with Los Angeles and is now a Clipper once again. A verbal agreement, in any line of business, is not legally binding.I don't think anyone said he broke the rules, not even cuban. He's still a bitch, that has the mental fortitude of an infant and doesn't have the decency or balls to tell Cuban himself that he's changed his mind.

[Vancouver-Grizz]

Trust me, there'll be a change to the Free Agency. Because of the Clippers we're bound for another lockout.

That is not a very thoughtful statement. What does this have to do with the CBA?

This situation may cause a rule change that only owners need to figure out. the problem is that the figures of the salary cap cannot be released till July 9th which is why the signings cannot be official. If they want, just move it to July 8th when they can contact the FAs and agree to terms and sign them the following day.

[sportjames23]

If a verbal commitment is made, but OP isnt around to hear it, does it really exist?


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[DirkNowitzki41]

today i learned zizozain is a retard. good job op.

[Funktion]

Weren't the reports about DeAndre to Mavs back on the 2nd or 3rd. Had to wait for CP3 and his banana ridin ass tho.

[Fallen Angel]

That is not a very thoughtful statement. What does this have to do with the CBA?

This situation may cause a rule change that only owners need to figure out. the problem is that the figures of the salary cap cannot be released till July 9th which is why the signings cannot be official. If they want, just move it to July 8th when they can contact the FAs and agree to terms and sign them the following day.
Owners are gonna want verbal agreements to be binding because they can cause a negative ripple effect during Free Agency for all teams involved in the bidding for a player. If a team were to learn that a player has committed to signing with another team then every other franchise are going to react to that, giving too much power to the player. If a player were to not sign with the team who he had a verbal agreement with then it would sabotage their offseason by giving them a false proclamation. The team getting screwed would be left with the scraps of the Free Agent market. These are adults and franchises should be able to take their word seriously.

Players would want verbal agreements to not be binding because they like having the leverage to negotiate their contracts and be able to renege from a team he verbally committed to for more money or a better situation.

[SCdac]

there's something to be said about a player making a public announcement, embracing the decision to move on. almost like the cherry on top of the legal agreement and negotiations. In today's online-social network-linked age, the twitter/fb/etc dialogue is almost half the story as everybody is on it. hell lebron made a whole live show out of his decision. but more recently charlie v posted about re-upping with the Mavs on his twitter handle, seemed excited/content. countless other examples of online announcements and stuff. i guess it was conspicuously absent with DJ or what?

[nycelt84]

Owners are gonna want verbal agreements to be binding because they can cause a negative ripple effect during Free Agency for all teams involved in the bidding for a player. If a team were to learn that a player has committed to signing with another team then every other franchise are going to react to that, giving too much power to the player. If a player were to not sign with the team who he had a verbal agreement with then it would sabotage their offseason by giving them a false proclamation. The team getting screwed would be left with the scraps of the Free Agent market. These are adults and franchises should be able to take their word seriously.

Players would want verbal agreements to not be binding because they like having the leverage to negotiate their contracts and be able to renege from a team he verbally committed to for more money or a better situation.

This is nonsense because teams break verbal agreements with players and management constantly. And you can't make a verbal agreement binding when that is in violation of US law.

[Orlando Magic]

Some of you are straight retarded. With all the time between the report of the initial verbal agreement with dallas and the time he signed with the clippers, if he didn't actually agree to Dallas, don't you ****ing retards think he or dallas or SOMEONE would have come out saying that the story was bs? Yet nobody did. NOBODY. No team, no player, no agent, no source, nobody.

Additionally, to spell it out, the problem with not following through with a verbal agreement is that it could potentially and probably will leave the team that gets shafted left hanging in the wind and could have potentially dramatically altered their offseason in a hugely negative way.

[Quickening]

Who the fck cares... people change their mind all the time, better he did this than join a tea who he doesn't want to play for and play like chit.

[gts]

saying ''it sounds good, i will think about it'' is not a verbal agreement

link anyone?

all i can find is cuban, Dan Fegan, some media PUSHING for the signing.

i believe the 'DeAndre Jordan misled by agent and cuban' news


From your own post in another thread


"Typically when a free agent leaves, the agent calls," Rivers said on a conference call with reporters. "DJ was with us seven years, and when he first decided to leave, his agent called me."

[The Iron Fist]

If there was a verbal agreement does it matter?

Or do only legal contracts that have been signed matter?

Oh, that's right, only legal contracts that have been signed matter.
Exactly. Verbal agreements don't mean shit. I can go to a car dealership, say I want to buy this car, and up until the point that I actually put pen to paper to say I'm buying it, I can walk away at any time.

[PejaNowitzki]

A verbal agreement, in any line of business, is not legally binding.



Not sure where you get your legal information from but this is wrong. In many cases an oral agreement is just as legally binding as a written one. Its this "bro-sciency" myth that oral agreements are never valid when the courts have often found otherwise.


In the NBA, the CBA states that only written contracts, properly endorsed, can be considered binding. Thus if someone backs out of an oral commitment, per the CBA, a team has no recourse.

In other areas of business, watch out, plenty of people have lost their shirt and then some for trying the "well we didn't write it down so it doesn't really matter defense" in court.


As long as an agreement is made in good faith between two parties, whether oral or written, it can be considered binding, some states have stronger case law than others when it comes to this.



http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2011/10/are-oral-contracts-enforceable.html





In most cases, there are only three things required to form a legally binding contract: one party makes an offer, the other party accepts the offer, and there is mutual "consideration," meaning that both parties agree to exchange something of value. These three things don't have to be written down for a contract to be formed.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/about_5569485_laws-verbal-agreements.html

[PejaNowitzki]

Exactly. Verbal agreements don't mean shit.





Verbal agreements and oral contracts are generally valid and legally binding as long as they are reasonable, equitable, conscionable and made in good faith. Although most people associate contracts with legal documents printed on paper for the purpose of getting them signed and stamped by notaries, the fact is that only a few types of contracts are required by statute to be written.

http://thelawdictionary.org/article/is-a-verbal-agreement-legally-binding/



Except they often do. Thinking like that can get you into hot water. There was a recent case out here where a guy sued a woman that had promised to buy a car from him off of Craigslist. She backed out on the deal after they had already agreed on a price, she had checked out the vehicle and he had pulled the listing.

Because there were witnesses, he won, in spite of having no written contract. Oral contracts matter, they are harder to enforce but often your commitment is no less than if it was written down.


Very few contracts are actually required to be written by law, there merely only has to be "mutual consideration".....ie, both parties get something out of the deal.


I agree to sell you land, you agree to pay me for it, we shake hands and witnesses are present. In most states that is as valid as any written contract. If you back out of the deal after that agreement, I file a complaint against you in court, you get served, we go through the entire pre-trial process, we finally get to trial, I bring in the witnesses that were present when we reached our agreement, they testify, the judge rules in my favor, you lose and are on the hook for paying me what you owe me for the land with interest plus my attorney fee's and other related legal expenses.





Thinking that verbal contracts don't matter falls into the same line of those who think that because they didn't actually sign a credit card agreement, that they should not be bound by its terms when they fail to make their payments.

[magictricked]

Not sure where you get your legal information from but this is wrong. In many cases an oral agreement is just as legally binding as a written one. Its this "bro-sciency" myth that oral agreements are never valid when the courts have often found otherwise.


In the NBA, the CBA states that only written contracts, properly endorsed, can be considered binding. Thus if someone backs out of an oral commitment, per the CBA, a team has no recourse.

In other areas of business, watch out, plenty of people have lost their shirt and then some for trying the "well we didn't write it down so it doesn't really matter defense" in court.


As long as an agreement is made in good faith between two parties, whether oral or written, it can be considered binding, some states have stronger case law than others when it comes to this.



http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2011/10/are-oral-contracts-enforceable.html

Good post. Read yesterday that in Texas an oral agreement is considered legally binding. The difficulty in this case is that the CBA specifically states no agreements oral or otherwise can happen during the moratorium.

Either way, nothing is going to happen because of this other than the NBA looking at it's current system. DJ will be a Clipper and branded a spineless weasel. if he can live with it I suppose we all can

[mentallooser]

This is nonsense because teams break verbal agreements with players and management constantly. And you can't make a verbal agreement binding when that is in violation of US law.


This is.....unimaginably inaccurate. Verbal agreements are often binding, and a private institution(such as the NBA) can absolutely allow verbal agreements to be binding where able to be proven. Much like they currently DON'T allow them to be binding in any circumstances.