Bucks wanted to get rid of Pachulia, so Cuban gives them a draft pick.

[R.I.P.]

You had a nice reign Billy King. It

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]You had a nice reign Billy King. It

[BigNBAfan]

Source?

I know we got Zaza, but didn't see we gave up a pick.

Please god no.

suicide alert

first lost DJ
then signed wes to WAYY too much
nowthis...

[UK2K]

When youre in rebuild mode, dont you WANT the draft picks in a trade?

[DMAVS41]

Even for the Mavs front office (under-rated terrible)....I find it hard to believe they are giving up assets to get Zaza.

[R.I.P.]

Source?

I know we got Zaza, but didn't see we gave up a pick.

Please god no.

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 20 Min.

Bucks are getting a second round pick from the Mavericks for forward-center Zaza Pachulia, a source told Yahoo. @ESPNSteinLine broke talks.

[PJR]

It's a meaningless second round pick for a solid veteran big. Big deal.

[DMAVS41]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 20 Min.

Bucks are getting a second round pick from the Mavericks for forward-center Zaza Pachulia, a source told Yahoo. @ESPNSteinLine broke talks.

That's it.

I'm done.

Somebody put me on ice.....:wtf:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 20 Min.

Bucks are getting a second round pick from the Mavericks for forward-center Zaza Pachulia, a source told Yahoo. @ESPNSteinLine broke talks.


It's a 2nd rounder...you can buy one of those for like 500k, don't stress. And there are always interesting prospects that go undrafted, just got to be smart with it like the Lakers with Upshaw.

[DMAVS41]

It's a meaningless second round pick for a solid veteran big. Big deal.

I won't go down the entire list, but this just isn't true.

There have been franchise changing players in the 2nd round.

Giving it away for Zaza expiring is ****ing absurd.

Guys taken in 2nd round recently that I can think of:

Ellis
Boozer
Draymond Green
Danny Green
Manu
Millsap
Arenas
Michael Redd
Marc Gasol

And many others...LOL

[R.I.P.]

When youre in rebuild mode, dont you WANT the draft picks in a trade?

I

[TylerOO]

I won't go down the entire list, but this just isn't true.

There have been franchise changing players in the 2nd round.

Giving it away for Zaza expiring is ****ing absurd.

Guys taken in 2nd round recently that I can think of:

Ellis
Boozer
Draymond Green
Danny Green
Manu
Millsap
Arenas
Michael Redd
Marc Gasol

And many others...LOL

You listed 9. 30 players per round. Some of these players dating back to like 15 years.

More than likely the pick was useless.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Why didn't they go for a young center, what's the point of trading for Zaza anyway? Couldn't they get a young center to start developing like Henry Sims from the Sixers for a 2nd rounder? He probably isn't gonna sniff playing time due to how deep they are at that position, so Philly would probably be down especially considering how much they love draft picks.

[OnFire]

I won't go down the entire list, but this just isn't true.

There have been franchise changing players in the 2nd round.

Giving it away for Zaza expiring is ****ing absurd.

Guys taken in 2nd round recently that I can think of:

Ellis
Boozer
Draymond Green
Danny Green
Manu
Millsap
Arenas
Michael Redd
Marc Gasol

And many others...LOL

So like 10 guys have become all stars out of 450 guys drafted in 2nd in 15 years... oh no...

[FreezingTsmoove]

mavs will be picking 31st or 32nd in the draft next year so it is a big deal giving up a second....

[R.I.P.]

Why didn't they go for a young center, what's the point of trading for Zaza anyway? Couldn't they get a young center to start developing like Henry Sims from the Sixers for a 2nd rounder? He probably isn't gonna sniff playing time due to how deep they are at that position, so Philly would probably be down especially considering how much they love draft picks.

You need to build relationships. Next summer Pachulia would be a highly attractive 32 year old FA center. By acquiring his expiring contract the Mavs probably get his bird rights and can give him a 5th year on his max contract.

I give up. I think Cuban is insane.

[DMAVS41]

You listed 9. 30 players per round. Some of these players dating back to like 15 years.

More than likely the pick was useless.

You know what is even more useless? Zaza on an expiring contract.

Of course it's most likely useless....that doesn't mean you waste your lottery ticket on air.

Part of rebuilding is getting lucky on a pick.

I swear some of you guys have no semblance of what the word "potential" means.

What is the best case scenario with Zaza?

Then compare that to the best case scenario with the 2nd round pick.

Then laugh at yourself for thinking the two are remotely comparable.

A move like this makes sense for a contending team...not this Mavs team.

[DMAVS41]

You need to build relationships. Next summer Pachulia would be a highly attractive 32 year old FA center. By acquiring his expiring contract the Mavs probably get his bird rights and can give him a 5th year on his max contract.

I give up. I think Cuban is insane.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Bosnian Sajo]

You listed 9. 30 players per round. Some of these players dating back to like 15 years.

More than likely the pick was useless.

Especially considering it was going to be used by Dallas, who have they drafted useful in the last 15 years (other than the GOAT VSpan, of course)? I'll wait.

[DMAVS41]

So like 10 guys have become all stars out of 450 guys drafted in 2nd in 15 years... oh no...

There are way more than that...google is your friend. I did that off recent memory.

I'm old now, but I think Mark Price was a 2nd rounder. Kukoc was.


Also, how many Zazas have become stars at age 30? Answer....0

[Bosnian Sajo]

There are way more than that...google is your friend. I did that off recent memory.

I'm old now, but I think Mark Price was a 2nd rounder. Kukoc was.


Also, how many Zazas have become stars at age 30? Answer....0

Yea, but the Mavs didn't draft any of those guys. Hell, they didn't even draft Dirk :oldlol:

[iamgine]

So basically ~2% chance at an all star vs Zaza. Meh its an ok deal.

[SCdac]

most 2nd round picks don't even pan out for the team that drafted them (maybe later on, sure). decent move for a team trying to fill the roster imo. can't knock zaza's hustle and work ethic, however aged he is

[unknowns8]

You listed 9. 30 players per round. Some of these players dating back to like 15 years.

More than likely the pick was useless.

Isaiah Thomas says hello ... :rolleyes:

[DMAVS41]

So basically ~2% chance at an all star vs Zaza. Meh its an ok deal.

What does Zaza do for you?

Could you please tell me what he actually does for a team that isn't a contender and needs to tank????

You are comparing the deal like a contending team just did it.

The Mavs need to be a bottom 5 team in the league next year.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yall should of signed Jordan Hill actually, now that I think about it.

[Lakers Fan]

most 2nd round picks don't even pan out for the team that drafted them (maybe later on, sure). decent move for a team trying to fill the roster imo. can't knock zaza's hustle and work ethic, however aged he is

Sure makes for a boring off season for the fans though, especially when your first round pick has been traded away too. :coleman:

[SCdac]

Sure makes for a boring off season for the fans though, especially when your first round pick has been traded away too. :coleman:

that's true. Certainly it hasn't been a home run... But hey they have the Rangers so they should be used to some strike outs... at least Mavs got their ring in 11... Even with DJ I dont think they were going to make significant waves imo

[dab0yech0]

I won't go down the entire list, but this just isn't true.

There have been franchise changing players in the 2nd round.

Giving it away for Zaza expiring is ****ing absurd.

Guys taken in 2nd round recently that I can think of:

Ellis
Boozer
Draymond Green
Danny Green
Manu
Millsap
Arenas
Michael Redd
Marc Gasol

And many others...LOL

Don't forget DeAndre Jordan :D

[TylerOO]

Isaiah Thomas says hello ... :rolleyes:

That proved nothing. Yes, no shit, there have been some great players drafted in the second round. 98 percent of them are out of the league in 4 years.

:rolleyes:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Looks like DMav is having a meltdown over a second round pick that Milwaukee will never see. It is a future second round pick that at best would happen in something like 2022.

But DMav is having a meltdown. The Mavs got a halfway decent center for **nothing**. And to top it off he is an expiring deal that affects nothing long term. Absolutely nothing.

Mavs are going to tank mode. They have to sign/trade for someone. A **future** second rounder that will never come to fruition for the Bucks.

Basically it is a "hey... we will give you a future second rounder that will turn into cash considerations in about 5 years so we can get a center... and fulfill the requirement of a trade because it aint like the Bucks can just give him to the Mavs...."

[SwishSquared]

This could be a top 55 protected 2nd rounder or something, so they maybe didn't give up too much. Should have just paid cash considerations instead, but w/e. I won't knock it too much without the final details.

I think it's kinda a meh deal overall for both sides- Bucks signed Middleton prior to the trade, so this trade only gives them a TPE, no more cap space. Monroe signing was good to juice their offense, but I'm not a big fan of the rest of their moves. Traded Dudley for peanuts, gave up too much for Vasquez, etc. Moving Zaza isn't a big deal considering they have 3 Cs already, but curious as to what protections this 2nd round pick have.

Zaza is a solid pro, but the Mavs could have signed a young guy like Henry Sims (shoutout to whoever mentioned him) for nothing. 76ers aren't even bringing him back and he could be a decent 4th big for them in the future I guess. They may flip Pachulia to a playoff team for a young player or 2nd rounder later this year I suppose.

[Droid101]

Most of these 2nd round picks are heavily protected and when the protection ends the pick reverts back to the first team. It's a nothing trade.

[DMAVS41]

Looks like DMav is having a meltdown over a second round pick that Milwaukee will never see. It is a future second round pick that at best would happen in something like 2022.

But DMav is having a meltdown. The Mavs got a halfway decent center for **nothing**. And to top it off he is an expiring deal that affects nothing long term. Absolutely nothing.

Mavs are going to tank mode. They have to sign/trade for someone. A **future** second rounder that will never come to fruition for the Bucks.

Basically it is a "hey... we will give you a future second rounder that will turn into cash considerations in about 5 years so we can get a center... and fulfill the requirement of a trade because it aint like the Bucks can just give him to the Mavs...."

If you are the team rebuilding...you don't take on a contract that serves no purpose on your team while giving up any pick.

It's retarded and makes no sense.

But you morons don't get the evaluation of anything clearly.

Zaza does nothing for the Mavs...he's actually a decent player...so he hurts that tank of yours...and giving away a 2nd round pick for nothing is just stupid.

Like I said before...will it likely lead to anything? Nope, but teams hit in the 2nd round...it's not like it's winning the lottery or something. How do you think the Spurs last 12 years would have looked if they didn't get Manu in the 2nd round?

You think the Warriors still win the title without getting Draymond Green? Dude is the difference in winning the title.

You know who is never going to be the difference on the Mavs for winning the title? Zaza....

Hence why I'm against it.

But you guys man....you would be the easiest marks ever as GM's...just giving away shit because it likely "won't mean anything"...:facepalm

Also, I'm curious...when you say "tank mode" are you referencing a long term plan or just this year. Like, would you trade Parsons in your tank or keep him?

[DMAVS41]

That proved nothing. Yes, no shit, there have been some great players drafted in the second round. 98 percent of them are out of the league in 4 years.

:rolleyes:


So you'd rather have Zaza for a year in a tank year....then an extra 2nd round pick (a chance to get lucky and hit)....

Please explain why.

[SwishSquared]

So you'd rather have Zaza for a year in a tank year....then an extra 2nd round pick (a chance to get lucky and hit)....

Please explain why.I agree with your premise of not trading for vets who can increase your win total and not sending out unnecessary picks but this pick could be so heavily protected it may not matter.

If you gave up a 2nd rounder without proper protections for him- then yeah, that's bad. I think you guys can flip for him for a 2nd rounder by the deadline though.

Mavs should scrape the bottom of the barrel- LRMAM, Jeff Adrien, Darell Arthur, Quincy Acy, Henry Sims, etc. All cheap, not too old, and won't heavily contribute to win totals.

[DMAVS41]

I agree with your premise of not trading for vets who can increase your win total and not sending out unnecessary picks but this pick could be so heavily protected it may not matter.

If you gave up a 2nd rounder without proper protections for him- then yeah, that's bad. I think you guys can flip for him for a 2nd rounder by the deadline though.

Mavs should scrape the bottom of the barrel- LRMAM, Jeff Adrien, Darell Arthur, Quincy Acy, Henry Sims, etc. All cheap, not too old, and won't heavily contribute to win totals.

Yea, but why even do it? Why not take a young guy that perhaps could play a role on a future team.

Why give something up to a guy that has no future on the team?

You know what/who Zaza is...he's a decent and old center.

Why not just go after a young guy with potential here?

Flipping him is fine, but if that is the plan...just don't do it in the first place.

You are right that the protections matter, but giving something up, anything up, for Zaza by a team in the situation of the Mavs...just makes little to no sense.

If you are going to get a decent player. Sign Seraphin to a value contract...that's a way better asset than Zaza and better trade bait as well...especially if you let him drive up his value by the deadline. But we'll never do that because we have to always bring in guys on only 1 year contracts...so we can chase more players that won't come here....largely because we never have a team in place....hence the cycle continues.

[SwishSquared]

Yea, but why even do it? Why not take a young guy that perhaps could play a role on a future team.

Why give something up to a guy that has no future on the team?

You know what/who Zaza is...he's a decent and old center.

Why not just go after a young guy with potential here?

Flipping him is fine, but if that is the plan...just don't do it in the first place.

You are right that the protections matter, but giving something up, anything up, for Zaza by a team in the situation of the Mavs...just makes little to no sense.I agree- Cuban/Nellie must be reeling or something. The move is pretty pointless if you want to tank. The upside is he's tradeable, but I would have gone full Hinkie and assembled a stripped down roster.

Serious question- how many games does Dirk even play in? Just play majority of the home games or what?

[zizozain]

Don't forget DeAndre Jordan :D
:lol

[DMAVS41]

I agree- Cuban/Nellie must be reeling or something. The move is pretty pointless if you want to tank. The upside is he's tradeable, but I would have gone full Hinkie and assembled a stripped down roster.

Serious question- how many games does Dirk even play in? Just play majority of the home games or what?

I can't answer because it's impossible to ever know the plan of those two.

I think telling Wes and Parsons to take their sweet time coming back and capping Dirk's minutes at like 25 with no back to backs sounds pretty good.

[SwishSquared]

I can't answer because it's impossible to ever know the plan of those two.

I think telling Wes and Parsons to take their sweet time coming back and capping Dirk's minutes at like 25 with no back to backs sounds pretty good.Pretty good plan :cheers: Let the tank commence!

[kentatm]

Yea, but why even do it? Why not take a young guy that perhaps could play a role on a future team.

Why give something up to a guy that has no future on the team?

You know what/who Zaza is...he's a decent and old center.

Why not just go after a young guy with potential here?

Flipping him is fine, but if that is the plan...just don't do it in the first place.

You are right that the protections matter, but giving something up, anything up, for Zaza by a team in the situation of the Mavs...just makes little to no sense.


:facepalm :roll:

yea a second round pick in 2018 that the Bucks only get if it lands at 56-60 is a MASSIVE loss and completely foolish to give away for a center that is decent enough defensively, can score a bit, and is solid at offensive rebounds.

IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!! :hammerhead:

[Nastradamus]

Lol, 30% of 2nd rounders NEVER play in the league. Zaza is a rotation capable player in this league at a position that is light on depth.

[HurricaneKid]

Lol, 30% of 2nd rounders NEVER play in the league. Zaza is a rotation capable player in this league at a position that is light on depth.

Its actually ~70%.

And Dallas didn't even give away their second pick. It is only conveyed if it is pick 56-60. So if they are a top 5 team in the NBA the bucks will get one of the last picks in the draft.

For that Dallas gets a big that can pass, defend, and has a bit of nasty in him. And his 5M salary looks pretty good these days.

So much overreacting here.

I'm pretty sure Cuban is NOT going to rebuild as long as Dirk is around.

[SwishSquared]

Its actually ~70%.

And Dallas didn't even give away their second pick. It is only conveyed if it is pick 56-60. So if they are a top 5 team in the NBA the bucks will get one of the last picks in the draft.

For that Dallas gets a big that can pass, defend, and has a bit of nasty in him. And his 5M salary looks pretty good these days.

So much overreacting here.

I'm pretty sure Cuban is NOT going to rebuild as long as Dirk is around.The reactions were prior to D-Will coming- it seemed like this would be a great chance to tank b/c Wes & Parsons are both coming off injuries and they had minimal options for for the majority of the roster. Also, Cuban said if they didn't land DJ, they would have thrown away the season. That was before DJ backed out and Cuban was still riding high.

With a first that's only top 7 protected next year and a thin roster, it seemed odd to add a vet if you wanted to tank. Obviously, the other shoe had yet to drop.

[HurricaneKid]

The reactions were prior to D-Will coming- it seemed like this would be a great chance to tank b/c Wes & Parsons are both coming off injuries and they had minimal options for for the majority of the roster. Also, Cuban said if they didn't land DJ, they would have thrown away the season. That was before DJ backed out and Cuban was still riding high.

With a first that's only top 7 protected next year and a thin roster, it seemed odd to add a vet if you wanted to tank. Obviously, the other shoe had yet to drop.

I get that. But even without DWill (and I don't think he adds that much) they aren't anywhere near the bottom 4. Taking a backup big who was top 50 in the NBA in RAPM for 5M/ for NOTHING seems to be a reasonable acquisition.

[rezznor]

It's a meaningless second round pick for a solid veteran big. Big deal.
morey has found some gems in the second round. in fact, early second rounders are more valuable than late first rounders for some gms

[SwishSquared]

I get that. But even without DWill (and I don't think he adds that much) they aren't anywhere near the bottom 4. Taking a backup big who was top 50 in the NBA in RAPM for 5M/ for NOTHING seems to be a reasonable acquisition.It's a reasonable acquisition if you're trying to win. Cuban stated that "no DJ" means they wouldn't try to win.

They could have chosen to be a bottom 4 squad. You don't usually acquire guys who can contribute to winning if you want to bottom out for a season.

After DJ spurned them, they had Wes coming of an Achilles tear, Parsons coming off a knee surgery he won't detail to anybody, a rookie in JA, a 2nd year guy in Powell, Devin Harris, and Barea. They easily could have tanked this season if they wanted honestly.

Now that they reversed course and don't want to be awful, trading for Zaza and having D-Will on a cheap deal are solid moves. Odds are that they won't be in the playoffs imo, so is it worth doing these deals? They'll likely gift Boston a late lotto pick as a result. They could hold out Wes all year long and pro-long Parsons' recovery. Even trade CP by next year's deadline b/c he's likely opting out next summer if healthy.

Tanking doesn't always work, but having a top pick as a trade chip is a viable option.

[DMAVS41]

:facepalm :roll:

yea a second round pick in 2018 that the Bucks only get if it lands at 56-60 is a MASSIVE loss and completely foolish to give away for a center that is decent enough defensively, can score a bit, and is solid at offensive rebounds.

IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!! :hammerhead:

Giving away anything, literally anything, for a 30 year old Zaza on a team that isn't a contender is stupid.

It doesn't make sense at all. Just another example of the Mavs front office "zigging" when they should have "zagged"...to quote Mark Cuban.

But yea....lets just continue our pattern of giving up future assets for 1 year rentals we have no intention of signing. Did it with Rondo and Tyson....now with Zaza....the cycle of idiocy continues in Big D. Didn't trade Ellis even though we had no intention of keeping him. Again...what is the point? The whole point of making that move for Tyson last summer was to address our center issues. If he played well and looked good...retaining him at 4 years 48 million (or around that number) is a huge win for the Mavs and would have allowed us to address other needs.

But we chased a 50/50, at best, guy over building out a real team. And likely the reason he ended up not coming? Oh...because our roster sucks and is full of holes.

But oh yea....defend those 1 year rentals.

[Droid101]

WTF is he still talking for? The pick will expire and not be transferred ever. Mavs gave up absolutely nothing in order to fill out the roster.

Super-meltdown over the stupidest thing imaginable. That Jordan thing must have hit dmavs hard.

[DMAVS41]

WTF is he still talking for? The pick will expire and not be transferred ever. Mavs gave up absolutely nothing in order to fill out the roster.

Super-meltdown over the stupidest thing imaginable. That Jordan thing must have hit dmavs hard.

I'm responding to a post directed at me moron.

You can fill out the roster many other ways.

What would you rather have?

A young player with potential upside and an actual future on your team while giving up nothing...that also allows you to properly tank the season like they should have?

Or a 30 year old player that has no future on the team while also giving something up and making your team better when you want to be bad?

Hit me hard? I didn't want any of this shit from the jump. LOL...Mavs fans have just bought into the bullshit Mark is selling. Acting like we "won" something overpaying the **** out of a role player that suffered a terrible injury and a center you don't even want in the game in the last 5 minutes of a close playoff game.

Oh yes...what a win!

You don't get that it's a philosophical issue here.

Tried to explain this shit for two summers now, but oh well...keep burying your heads in the sand.

In Mark we trust....:facepalm