The "poster" dunk - does the defender have to contest?

[CavaliersFTW]

Or does simply standing underneath the hoop or being present / a body underneath the basket / dunk count as being posterized?

I see a lot of "poster dunk" mixes that have defenders just standing in near proximity at the wrong place and time no real contesting going on though. Are those posters in your guys opinion?

[CavaliersFTW]

Also how about late contests or weak contests for that matter, like contesting without jumping or putting much effort into it but the dunker never touches you just blows right past you.

[Fallen Angel]

If you are completely under the dunk, it's a poster. (Blake on Mozgov)
If you are chest to chest and get dunked on, it's a poster. (Wade on Varejao)

Those are the only dunks I consider poster dunks, if a player were to contest the dunk but barely made contact I don't consider that a poster.

[oarabbus]

The defenders body has to be in the way between the dunker and the rim, in some way. If a guy dunks on the right side and the big man was running up from the left side at the time of the dunk (for example), it's not a true poster.

[SugarHill]

taking charge = poster
late contest with contact = poster
dunking near someone but no real contact = no poster

[Fire Colangelo]

The defender has to contest/take a charge for it to be a poster imo.

I think people (especially the media) lowered the standards a lot nowadays. Apparently every dunk is impressive now, remember those highlights of Lebron's wide open dunks when he was in Miami? Or that wide open PG 360 windmill? I mean it's impressive and eye pleasing but really?

Just remembering a decade ago we had guys like young Lebron, Tmac, Wade, Kobe, Amare, Jrich, Iggy, Francis, Dwight, etc constantly dunking on everybody. Now you got maybe 2-3 guys that actually has the balls to posterize ppl.

[CavaliersFTW]

What if the defender bails on contesting last second - like they had good positional defense started to raise their hands maybe, but when they saw the dunker coming just sorta stood there like **** it. They're under the basket - just not jumping/contesting/putting body into the offensive player. Poster?

[ClipperRevival]

It's all context. There are the classic contest and dunk or the dunk that just displays a freakish athletes off the charts athleticism and no defender even needs to be in the shot. Like G. Green's dunk against Brooklyn where his head was above the rim. Or some of Vince's dunks, etc. Or some of MJ's breakaway dunks, etc.

[Harison]

I respect defenders who dont mind to be postered, do their best to block the dunk or alter the shot. Thats the right mentality.

It annoys me so few defenders are doing it anymore, most just roll up the red carpet.

[CavaliersFTW]

I respect defenders who dont mind to be postered, do their best to block the dunk or alter the shot. Thats the right mentality.

It annoys me so few defenders are doing it anymore, most just roll up the red carpet.
I agree, I think every player especially the big men should protect the rim at all costs.

If you get dunked on so be it, but I would think contesting every single play like that rim is your ****ing property is going to make the defense either think twice about dunking on you or it's going to reduce the likelihood of the dunk attempt from being successful a-la "a contested shot is 30% less likely to go in". Even if it's only a 10% difference, I should think every NBA big should try their best to put a lid on the rim dunks included not just layups.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

It's not even potentially causing a miss. In most cases, you send that guy on his ass and make him earn it. Just the way the NBA has evolved.

[3ball]

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Yes, the defender must contest - the defender cannot be scared to jump, like Duncan is here while MJ smashes over him twice:


http://i.imgur.com/JI8uVUJ.gif



This is a little better contest:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/yIFtcV.gif



And even when the defender contests, it can't be a 'flyby' contest:


http://i.imgur.com/lVXvsWd.gif



In the end, a poster should be "chest-to-chest", so there is no doubt:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/bwBYzS.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/arFW3O.gif

[Spurs m8]

The term is way over used

[Spurs m8]

LeBron wishes he could do something like this

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/arFW3O.gif

[duskovujosevic]

which player was by far most posterized? shawn bradley, mozgov, ewing?

[Rake2204]

If we wanted to be real, the term "poster", as we know, is a reference to being caught in someone's poster photo. In that case, it doesn't matter if they're contesting, jumping, or have no idea what's going on - if they're in the picture, they're on the poster.

Literal meaning aside, I always have a couple different levels of severity when it came to posterizing. Level 1 was usually reserved from the plays where a defender's in the vicinity but struggled to make a real play on the ball. Level 2 was usually for defenders who made a legitimate play but mis-timed their jump or ended up in wrong spot. Then the top of the mountain are Level 3's, featuring body-to-body triumphs.

[iBandwagon]

Or does simply standing underneath the hoop or being present / a body underneath the basket / dunk count as being posterized?

I see a lot of "poster dunk" mixes that have defenders just standing in near proximity at the wrong place and time no real contesting going on though. Are those posters in your guys opinion?

I think there needs to be fairly direct contact. When people clearly go around, I don't usually think of it as a poster, but they can be standing.

Examples of posters with the defender not truly contesting:
http://nbatitlechase.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gerald-green-dunks-on-roy-hibbert.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/be/33/55/be335574770b2233a67f9ca2b0cec867.jpg

http://media.thehoopdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jordaninyourface1.jpg

Examples of dunks with defenders in the area where I don't consider it a poster:
http://daylifeimages.newscred.com/imageserve/a011f67106b3785c823e409276f69b73/625x527.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000

http://basket-infos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/kevin-durant-poster-dunk.jpg

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kobe-dunk-josh-smith.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

I think its pretty simple no? :confusedshrug:

[jstern]

I've always wondered about that too.

I think it's a generational thing. With the 3 second defensive rule you see a lot of the defenders coming in at the last second from the side. It's never face to face, but the up loaders still need to put poster dunks in their mix.

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron wishes he could do something like this

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/arFW3O.gif
you won't ever see a player contest from below the rim like Ewing does here in today's game - it's way too late go get a good contest on that

as the defenses got better and players more intelligent, the average lateral point of contest moved a few feet out from being directly under the basket, making it harder to posterize centers

[Demitri98]

https://youtu.be/ZKVBp3bO6lo

[GIF REACTION]

you won't ever see a player contest from below the rim like Ewing does here in today's game - it's way too late go get a good contest on that

as the defenses got better and players more intelligent, the average lateral point of contest moved a few feet out from being directly under the basket, making it harder to posterize centers
Bingo

Slow ****ing rotations