Is Tony Parker overrated?

[tamaraw08]

I am not suggesting that the guy is a bad player, but I am asking about his PG skills, whether he gets a ton of credit because he won 4 rings, or did he greatly benefitted from the great coaching of Pops, the system and having great teammates.
Let's compare his career stats from a decent PG like Jose Calderon.

Player Assists/game, TOV 3PT%, efg% FT%

Parker 5.9 2.5 32% 51% 75.3%

Calderon 6.7 1.7 41% 54% 87.5%

Now I understand that Tony is a great penetrator/shot creator but that is why i put his EFg%

Now imagine if the Spurs have a guy like Ty Lawson or Mike Conley instead?:confusedshrug:
What about a peak Andre Miller. Would the Spurs be as successful?

[DMAVS41]

Depends on how one rates him.

And in what years they are talking about.

Jalen Rose, for example, calling Parker the 4th best player in the league in 13...that is over-rating him.

But he's also a damn good player and competes very well with the elite guards of the league often.

[rmt]

Parker has been injured and overweight (don't know if they are related). He says he's going on the same regimen that Duncan's been on (you would think that knowing he's getting older, he would have been on it a long time ago). Who knows if he'll have a resurgence after going on this regimen? For a player who is so reliant on speed and changing direction, how do you adjust your game if you can't get to the rim?

For Duncan, the natural loss in speed/athleticism as he got older didn't matter much as his game is so fundamental and not reliant on speed anyways. For Manu, yes he can't slash to the rim, but the passing ability and playmaking didn't go away. For Parker, who knows going into the future, but that $15m at age 36 doesn't look good. The only way I can be at peace with that money is if I pretend that Duncan's getting that $15m and Parker's getting Duncan's $5m/$10m :roll:

Parker has a LOT of mileage on him e.g. he's the same age as Wade but has far more NBA minutes. He also falls to the floor a lot - but in a better way than Wade did. He wants to play till he's 38 - can't imagine that as his PG/passing skills are mediocre at best.

[ClipperRevival]

The shelf life of small PGs is not very good once they get past 30. Parker just turned 33. He depended on deceptive speed to get to the rack and he wasn't that athletic to begin with. So the guy is pretty much done at the elite level, which is absolutely expected.

[SexSymbol]

Depends on how one rates him.

And in what years they are talking about.

Jalen Rose, for example, calling Parker the 4th best player in the league in 13...that is over-rating him.

But he's also a damn good player and competes very well with the elite guards of the league often.
just... no

[ShackEelOKneel]

He was a very good player. He certainly was not last year though.

[Foster5k]

The mileage on Parker is insane. How many playoff series, NBA Finals, and international games has this guy played? Sooner or later, your body starts to break down.

[RidonKs]

Depends on how one rates him.
:lol

yeah i think so, probably since he won that finals mvp he's been overrated. but he has a lot of positive teammate qualities that often get overlooked so it sorta balances out. he's gotta get in shape though, last season was a bit of a disgrace. or maybe the above poster is right and its just wear and tear, in which case, go tony.

[BlakFrankWhite]

He was a Top 5 PG till 2014.

But he declined terribly last season...

[ClipperRevival]

He was a Top 5 PG till 2014.

But he declined terribly last season...

So terribly that Patty Mills was many times better and more effective than him in the playoffs.

[Artillery]

His annual playoff collapses are my biggest issue with him. He struggles to maintain his efficiency as soon as post-season basketball starts. Compare his true shooting percentage with his two teammates:

Duncan:

.551 - season ts%
.549 - playoff ts%

Ginobili:

.586 - season ts%
.580 - playoff ts%

Parker:

.550 - season ts%
.514 - playoff ts%

TD and Manu are both consistent and are unaffected by the pressures of playoff basketball. Parker turns into a mental midget in May and becomes a chucker for the most part. For more proof, take a look at the BPM numbers:

Duncan:

5.5 - season BPM
6.0 - playoff BPM

Ginobili:

5.5 - season BPM
5.4 - playoff BPM

Parker:

1.2 - season BPM
0 - playoff BPM

Duncan actually plays better in the post-season. Manu is consistent, like always. Parker's entire game falls off a cliff. As far as impact goes, it would be disingenuous to compare two great players like TD and Manu with someone as consistently bad as Parker. Fine regular season player though but even those years are behind him.

[Artillery]

So terribly that Patty Mills was many times better and more effective than him in the playoffs.

There's also the closeout game of the 2014 Finals vs the Heat. Parker started the game 0-9 and had the Spurs down by like 18 or something ridiculous. Typical chokejob game from TP. Pop inserts Patty and he just bombs away from the three point territory over and over again, blowing the Heat out. Point guards like Parker are irrelevant in the modern NBA. PGs that can shoot the three ball are so much more useful.

[ninephive]

Parker has finished 6th in MVP voting twice and top-12 two more times. One of those years he led the MVP race (over Lebron & Durant) near the end of the season until he got injured and dropped to 6th.

He has knocked pretty much every "top PG" out of the playoffs as the best player on his team (Nash, CP3, Lilliard, Curry, etc.) and the way he has outplayed some of them has been downright embarrassing. What he did to Nash in '08 was silly. What he did to Conley in the '13 WCF was outright dominant. Granted, he's had series where he's been outplayed by the other elites as well.

Overrated is a weird word, considering he has never been a top-30 paid player in the league and never will be, even though coaches continue to vote him into the All-Star game and he is continually recognized as an All-NBA player. In 2014 during the title run, he was the Spurs only All-Star, only All-NBA player, and led the Spurs in scoring and assists throughout the regular season and the playoffs. He even led them in scoring in the Finals on a bad hamstring. He's one of very few PGs to ever win a FMVP and he's already the all-time playoff-leading scorer for PGs (passed Magic a few years ago)...and he's like 33 and has years left to play. Or just think about how he carried the '11 Spurs to the #1 seed in the West. He had a really bad team that season.

He is the winningest player of all-time through 1,000 career NBA games as well. I personally think he's a bit underrated for what he's accomplished. I've got him as top-60 of all-time and think he finishes top 50 by the time it's all said and done.

[ninephive]

There's also the closeout game of the 2014 Finals vs the Heat. Parker started the game 0-9 and had the Spurs down by like 18 or something ridiculous. Typical chokejob game from TP. Pop inserts Patty and he just bombs away from the three point territory over and over again, blowing the Heat out. Point guards like Parker are irrelevant in the modern NBA. PGs that can shoot the three ball are so much more useful.
Lol, dropping 14 points in a close out quarter of a clinching Finals game on near perfect shooting is a criticism? Jeez, imagine if he had missed his shots in the 4th instead of at the beginning of the game and the Heat came back like they did the year before to steal the game? Or what if Parker didn't have arguably the most clutch sequence in Finals history the year before to clinch the '13 title (Step-back 3 to tie the game, steal on the other end, and go-ahead bucket)...until the other "closers" happened to somehow not be able to close.

[ninephive]

His annual playoff collapses are my biggest issue with him. He struggles to maintain his efficiency as soon as post-season basketball starts. Compare his true shooting percentage with his two teammates:

Duncan:

.551 - season ts%
.549 - playoff ts%

Ginobili:

.586 - season ts%
.580 - playoff ts%

Parker:

.550 - season ts%
.514 - playoff ts%

TD and Manu are both consistent and are unaffected by the pressures of playoff basketball. Parker turns into a mental midget in May and becomes a chucker for the most part. For more proof, take a look at the BPM numbers:

Duncan:

5.5 - season BPM
6.0 - playoff BPM

Ginobili:

5.5 - season BPM
5.4 - playoff BPM

Parker:

1.2 - season BPM
0 - playoff BPM

Duncan actually plays better in the post-season. Manu is consistent, like always. Parker's entire game falls off a cliff. As far as impact goes, it would be disingenuous to compare two great players like TD and Manu with someone as consistently bad as Parker. Fine regular season player though but even those years are behind him.
Lol, so "mental midgets" increase their scoring and assists in almost every postseason run? I get it, you cherry-pick a few advanced stats to paint a negative picture (the only possible way you could with a guy with such a complete resume). There are dozens and dozens of different advanced stats out there, and anyone can find any of them to make any player look bad.

The fact is he has led this team for several years. In the last 3 years, the Spurs have won 7 playoff series. Parker has led them in scoring in 6 of them. (And the Spurs haven't lost a series in the last 3 years with Parker as the leading scorer). Say what you will with all your BS advanced cherry-picking, but when Parker leads the Spurs in scoring, they win. They win in the regular season, they win in the playoffs, and they win in the Finals (see '07 and '14).

[T_L_P]

Parker has been injured and overweight (don't know if they are related). He says he's going on the same regimen that Duncan's been on (you would think that knowing he's getting older, he would have been on it a long time ago). Who knows if he'll have a resurgence after going on this regimen? For a player who is so reliant on speed and changing direction, how do you adjust your game if you can't get to the rim?

For Duncan, the natural loss in speed/athleticism as he got older didn't matter much as his game is so fundamental and not reliant on speed anyways. For Manu, yes he can't slash to the rim, but the passing ability and playmaking didn't go away. For Parker, who knows going into the future, but that $15m at age 36 doesn't look good. The only way I can be at peace with that money is if I pretend that Duncan's getting that $15m and Parker's getting Duncan's $5m/$10m :roll:

Parker has a LOT of mileage on him e.g. he's the same age as Wade but has far more NBA minutes. He also falls to the floor a lot - but in a better way than Wade did. He wants to play till he's 38 - can't imagine that as his PG/passing skills are mediocre at best.

Trust me, Tony's not committing himself to the kind of diet/training Duncan does.

It's not in his nature.

[Artillery]

:oldlol: Three straight posts from ninephive. TP's number one fan is mad as hell

[ninephive]

Trust me, Tony's not committing himself to the kind of diet/training Duncan does.

It's not in his nature.
Oh yah, he only plays through injuries and still leads the Spurs in scoring in Finals series, no big deal. He must be so lazy. He's only played more basketball than every other basketball player in the league since he came into it. Must not be a hard worker. Maybe he should start sitting out during the Olympics like Duncan and we'll think he's more committed. Oh and not just more basketball, much more usage. As Duncan is sitting in the post waiting to get fed the ball from Parker, he's bringing the ball up the court and then running circles on the baseline through screens constantly to get the offense going.

Or how about on the Ray Allen 3, anyone ever notice that Parker not only defended Lebron's 3 (that didn't go in), but then ran across the entire court to get a hand up in Allen's face as all the other Spurs are falling over each other and looking around. Unfortunately, although he sprinted, he was a split second late traversing the court to make up for the other guys who left him open/couldn't grab the rebound. I guess if Parker had a better ethic, he would have rebounded the miss as well.

[ninephive]

:oldlol: Three straight posts from ninephive. TP's number one fan is mad as hell
Just clarifying your Duncan-prop agenda. Once I get to your post-count (or your red reputation), then you can say something.

[T_L_P]

Oh yah, he only plays through injuries and still leads the Spurs in scoring in Finals series, no big deal. He must be so lazy. He's only played more basketball than every other basketball player in the league since he came into it. Must not be a hard worker. Maybe he should start sitting out during the Olympics like Duncan and we'll think he's more committed. Oh and not just more basketball, much more usage. As Duncan is sitting in the post waiting to get fed the ball from Parker, he's bringing the ball up the court and then running circles on the baseline through screens constantly to get the offense going.

Or how about on the Ray Allen 3, anyone ever notice that Parker not only defended Lebron's 3 (that didn't go in), but then ran across the entire court to get a hand up in Allen's face as all the other Spurs are falling over each other and looking around. Unfortunately, although he sprinted, he was a split second late traversing the court to make up for the other guys who left him open/couldn't grab the rebound. I guess if Parker had a better ethic, he would have rebounded the miss as well.

I never said Parker isn't a hard worker. He's just not a hard off-season worker (which is what rmt's post was about).

Duncan's one of the fittest athletes in the league because of his no-nonsense diet and non-stop training.

The only way Tony can stay in good shape is playing international ball in the summer (he didn't compete last summer and we saw how terribly out of shape he was).

[ninephive]

I never said Parker isn't a hard worker. He's just not a hard off-season worker (which is what rmt's post was about).

Duncan's one of the fittest athletes in the league because of his no-nonsense diet and non-stop training.

The only way Tony can stay in good shape is playing international ball in the summer (he didn't compete last summer and we saw how terribly out of shape he was).
I get the "Tony is fat" jokes. It's funny because he really wasn't. He still played at a really high level last season when healthy (he had like 6 of the Spurs top 8 scoring games or something...and that's with being out/playing through injury for half the year). He's just not THE fastest player in the league anymore.

[ninephive]

Tony Parker will has never and will never make as much money as Wesley Matthews will make for the next 4 seasons. Let that sink in. Then tell me he's overrated.

[AirFederer]

Yeah at this stage he is

[keep-itreal]

trade Parker for Lillard

[T_L_P]

I get the "Tony is fat" jokes. It's funny because he really wasn't. He still played at a really high level last season when healthy (he had like 6 of the Spurs top 8 scoring games or something...and that's with being out/playing through injury for half the year). He's just not THE fastest player in the league anymore.

You're creating straw men here.

This is about Tony's conditioning and diet, not how well he performs despite the lack of it.

Zach Lowe said on his podcast in March that a Spurs official told him Parker was overweight. Pop recently discussed conversations he had with Tony about how he plans to get into shape this offseason.

This:

http://i.imgur.com/Bl0pRx1.jpg

That's a fat NBA player. He needs to play basketball to stay in shape because he doesn't have the drive to stay in shape doing other, less stressful things (diet and non-basketball related muscle workouts).


Also, regarding another post you made: since being the 'leading scorer and assist man' on the team holds all the weight with you (you've made this point countless times, and use it as evidence that Parker was the best Spur in 2014), surely you will agree that Parker was better this season (Regular Season) than Tim? Parker was the 2nd leading scorer and top assist man, Duncan was 3rd in scoring.

[ninephive]

You're creating straw men here.

This is about Tony's conditioning and diet, not how well he performs despite the lack of it.

Zach Lowe said on his podcast in March that a Spurs official told him Parker was overweight. Pop recently discussed conversations he had with Tony about how he plans to get into shape this offseason.

This:

http://i.imgur.com/Bl0pRx1.jpg

That's a fat NBA player. He needs to play basketball to stay in shape because he doesn't have the drive to stay in shape doing other, less stressful things (diet and non-basketball related muscle workouts).


Also, regarding another post you made: since being the 'leading scorer and assist man' on the team holds all the weight with you (you've made this point countless times, and use it as evidence that Parker was the best Spur in 2014), surely you will agree that Parker was better this season (Regular Season) than Tim? Parker was the 2nd leading scorer and top assist man, Duncan was 3rd in scoring.
When Parker was healthy this season, yes he was better. But when you're out or playing through injury half the season and in the playoffs, no Duncan was more valuable to the team this season.

[T_L_P]

When Parker was healthy this season, yes he was better. But when you're out or playing through injury half the season and in the playoffs, no Duncan was more valuable to the team this season.

Okay, so your point about someone leading the their team in pts and assists is moot then. Parker beat Duncan in both last year and he clearly wasn't better than him (at any point in the season). Don't post it blindly in the future please.

Also, props for skipping over the Tony is fat and can only stay in shape by playing basketball non-stop stuff. Just accept it privately. :pimp:

[rmt]

Lol, so "mental midgets" increase their scoring and assists in almost every postseason run? I get it, you cherry-pick a few advanced stats to paint a negative picture (the only possible way you could with a guy with such a complete resume). There are dozens and dozens of different advanced stats out there, and anyone can find any of them to make any player look bad.

The fact is he has led this team for several years. In the last 3 years, the Spurs have won 7 playoff series. Parker has led them in scoring in 6 of them. (And the Spurs haven't lost a series in the last 3 years with Parker as the leading scorer). Say what you will with all your BS advanced cherry-picking, but when Parker leads the Spurs in scoring, they win. They win in the regular season, they win in the playoffs, and they win in the Finals (see '07 and '14).

You are the one who is cherry-picking. Those advanced stats are over 13, 14 and 18 years respectively. Those are huge samples. Being a Spur fan, I would hope that you would value defense as much as scoring - but I guess you don't or Kwahi's and Duncan's importance on the defensive end of the court would outweigh the couple or fraction of a point advantage that TP has over them. The fact is more often than other it's Parker who's got to be hidden on defense while Kwahi and Duncan are a couple of the best defensive players in the league.

[rmt]

The fact is he has led this team for several years. In the last 3 years, the Spurs have won 7 playoff series. Parker has led them in scoring in 6 of them. (And the Spurs haven't lost a series in the last 3 years with Parker as the leading scorer). Say what you will with all your BS advanced cherry-picking, but when Parker leads the Spurs in scoring, they win. They win in the regular season, they win in the playoffs, and they win in the Finals (see '07 and '14).

2015 playoffs
Parker 10.9 pts
Duncan 17.9 pts
Leonard 20.3 pts

2014 playoffs
Parker 17.4 pts
Duncan 16.3 pts
Leonard 14.3 pts
Manu 14.3 pts

2013 playoffs
Parker 20.6 pts
Duncan 18.1 pts
Leonard 13.5 pts

The difference in Parker's scoring doesn't offset the defense of Duncan.

[RRR3]

Ninephive is delusional.


"Parker was THE fastest player in the NBA"

"Parker was ahead of LeBron and Durant for MVP until he got hurt"


:biggums:

[BasedTom]

Shouldn't have been a starter last year. It's utterly astounding how guys like Barkley were rating him as a top player, much less comparable to CP3 at the pointguard position

[Timmy D for MVP]

Is he overrated now? Yes. Until I see a return to form I cannot consider Parker as one of the teams top players, as others still seem to do.

They do that, however, based off the past where he was not only one of the best on the Spurs, but one of the best players in the NBA. I understand his game is a little more subtle than other PGs but it wasn't too long ago he was among the top 3-5 at his position.

Career wise I don't think he's overrated. He was a part of the Spurs Big 3, and will be in the HoF.

[ninephive]

Ninephive is delusional.


"Parker was THE fastest player in the NBA"

"Parker was ahead of LeBron and Durant for MVP until he got hurt"


:biggums:
Here you go. Someone cached the page from when he moved over Durant in the MVP race for the number 2 spot here: http://2013--nba--news.blogspot.com/2013/02/kia-race-to-mvp-ladder.html

I know he moved up over Lebron for the top spot afterwards (before he got hurt), but not all the weeks are cached (at least I can't find it at the moment).

[rmt]

Ninephive is delusional.


"Parker was THE fastest player in the NBA"

"Parker was ahead of LeBron and Durant for MVP until he got hurt"


:biggums:

The only reason why Parker is ever considered for MVP is when the Spurs have the best record in the league and Parker just happens to be its leading scorer. He's not a MVP-caliber player.

[Artillery]

Ninephive is delusional.


"Parker was THE fastest player in the NBA"

"Parker was ahead of LeBron and Durant for MVP until he got hurt"


:biggums:

I remember him arguing that Parker outplayed Westbrook in the 2014 Conference Finals based solely on the fact that the Spurs were the winning team. Guy's a f.ucking idiot.

[tamaraw08]

He was a Top 5 PG till 2014.

But he declined terribly last season...

Bear in mind that I didn't put his last season stats (which was not impressive)but his career stats vs Calderon's.

[Rose'sACL]

I don't care how good or bad of a player he is but he is a scumbag as a person.

[ninephive]

Shouldn't have been a starter last year. It's utterly astounding how guys like Barkley were rating him as a top player, much less comparable to CP3 at the pointguard position
I know, it's crazy how you could possibly put a FMVP with 4 rings over a guy who can't reach the Conference Finals after 10 years with a stacked cast and great coach.

It's unheard of to put a player like Parker over a guy like Paul, even though he knocked him out of playoffs twice (once embarrassingly in a sweep, once with a dagger in G7 on Paul's home floor).

[ninephive]

The only reason why Parker is ever considered for MVP is when the Spurs have the best record in the league and Parker just happens to be its leading scorer. He's not a MVP-caliber player.
Glad you think so...I'll stick with the people who get paid to do their job.

[rmt]

I have appreciation for Parker and all he has done for the Spurs. They would not have won 5 rings without him. He is a work-horse, durable and does exactly what Pop tells him to do. I would not say that he was ever the fastest player in the league - I'd call him quick (not fast), with great body control and able to change direction very well and score among the trees.

But he has hurt the Spurs recently. I feel that Pop panders to him - in 14 Finals saying that he didn't score much but did a good floor job and playing him too much in 15 playoffs when 10 less minutes of TP/10 more minutes of Patty probably would have gotten them past the Clips. He needs to learn to turn the reigns over to Kwahi and Aldridge. Thankfully that ridiculous contract $15m at 36 years old did not hamper them from building a great team this off-season - still need another 3pt shooter though.

[Achilleas]

parker was in the perfect role where he can play best,until 3 years ago he was a top 5 pg ,now he is very bad ,this is the reason why the spurs will not win the nba this year :rolleyes:

[ninephive]

I remember him arguing that Parker outplayed Westbrook in the 2014 Conference Finals based solely on the fact that the Spurs were the winning team. Guy's a f.ucking idiot.
Your reading comprehension is special. The only thing I argued is that Parker didn't shoot his team out of the series like Westbrook did. The guy was literally shooting shots over the backboard. One of them shot 49% (Parker) for the series and one of them shot freaking 41% (Westbrick). Are you kidding me? All while he has the MVP on his team, but Westbrook actually took MORE SHOTS than Durant for the series. He went freaking 9/32 from 3 point land, but kept shooting them! Ultimately Parker didn't play "better" (he didn't even play the whole series) but the Spurs just let Westbrick keep jacking shots like the chucker he is. This isn't the first time he shot them out of a series and it won't be the last.

[ninephive]

I have appreciation for Parker and all he has done for the Spurs. They would not have won 5 rings without him. He is a work-horse, durable and does exactly what Pop tells him to do. I would not say that he was ever the fastest player in the league - I'd call him quick (not fast), with great body control and able to change direction very well and score among the trees.

But he has hurt the Spurs recently. I feel that Pop panders to him - in 14 Finals saying that he didn't score much but did a good floor job and playing him too much in 15 playoffs when 10 less minutes of TP/10 more minutes of Patty probably would have gotten them past the Clips. He needs to learn to turn the reigns over to Kwahi and Aldridge. Thankfully that ridiculous contract $15m at 36 years old did not hamper them from building a great team this off-season - still need another 3pt shooter though.
So you think Parker never being a top-30 paid player for his entire career (he never will be, by the way) means he's "ridiculously" overpaid?

Oh, and Parker did try and "turn it over" to Kawhi last year. We all saw how that went:

Leonard G5 - 5/16
Leonard G6 - 3/15
Leonard G7 - 5/13

It's not like Kawhi didn't have his chances to score at the end of the series...it's just when you can't make shots to save your life, what are you going to do?

[TripleA]

Your reading comprehension is special. The only thing I argued is that Parker didn't shoot his team out of the series like Westbrook did. The guy was literally shooting shots over the backboard. One of them shot 49% for the series and one of them shot freaking 41%. Are you kidding me? All while they have the MVP on their team, but Westbrook actually took MORE SHOTS than Durant for the series. He went freaking 9/32 from 3 point land, but kept shooting them! Ultimately Parker didn't play "better" (he didn't even play the whole series) but the Spurs just let Westbrick keep jacking shots like the chucker he is. This isn't the first time he shot them out of a series and it wouldn't be the last.

Chris Paul is a 10 times better player than tony parker is.:applause:

[ninephive]

Ninephive is delusional.


"Parker was THE fastest player in the NBA"

"Parker was ahead of LeBron and Durant for MVP until he got hurt"


:biggums:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/is-tony-parker-the-fastest-point-guard-in-the-nba/

[ninephive]

Chris Paul is 10 times player tony parker is.:applause:
If by "10 times better" you mean has reached the Conference Finals 7 times less.

[TripleA]

If by "10 times better" you mean has reached the Conference Finals 7 times less.

:lol Paul is better at shooting passing and defense. parker is little better at driving. Parker has had god awful playoff runs ofset by tim duncan

[rmt]

So you think Parker never being a top-30 paid player for his entire career (he never will be, by the way) means he's "ridiculously" overpaid?

I'm saying that paying him $15m at age 36 is being ridiculously overpaid. With Leonard and Aldridge on the team, Parker's role in the offense hopefully is going to be reduced. And what's with comparing his contract to Wes Matthew's (don't know what went down there with DJ leaving - why the increase) contract with the fishy stuff going on there.

[TripleA]

Paul is a better player use a stat that tells you other wise. Oh wait you can't.
Parker has never been a first team guard

[rmt]

Oh, and Parker did try and "turn it over" to Kawhi last year. We all saw how that went:

Leonard G5 - 5/16
Leonard G6 - 3/15
Leonard G7 - 5/13

It's not like Kawhi didn't have his chances to score at the end of the series...it's just when you can't make shots to save your life, what are you going to do?

I wouldn't be using games 5-7 to make any point as Parker wasn't much better.

game 5
Parker 5/15 13 pts /3 asst
Leonard 5/16 18 pts / 9 rebs

game 6
Parker 4/12 8 pts / 7 asst
Leonard 3/15 12 pts / 7 rebs

game 7
Parker 10/21 20 pts/5 asst
Leonard 5/13 13 pts / 10 rebs

[ninephive]

I'm saying that paying him $15m at age 36 is being ridiculously overpaid. With Leonard and Aldridge on the team, Parker's role in the offense hopefully is going to be reduced. And what's with comparing his contract to Wes Matthew's (don't know what went down there with DJ leaving - why the increase) contract with the fishy stuff going on there.
The reason he's finally getting paid a decent salary is because he never has before. If you're finishing top 6 in the MVP race for consecutive seasons, you should be getting max money (at least all the other guys who finish top-10 in MVP races do)...and he never will. He was the best Spur for a long time and was never paid like it.

Look, I never expect Parker to make the $20+ million that Duncan made for several seasons. But Duncan was making like $19 million in 2011, the year he averaged 13.4 PPG (less than Parker did this past season), and Duncan dropped to 12.7 PPG in the playoffs as he got embarrassed by Zach Randolph (couldn't guard him either).

It's not like every player is going to make the "right amount" every single season. But when a guy has led your team in scoring in 6 of the last 7 playoffs series over the past 3 years (one of them leading them to a championship where Parker bailed us out of a Game 7, which no one did for us this year). Then I don't think making him a top-40 paid player in the league is ridiculous.

[ninephive]

I wouldn't be using games 5-7 to make any point as Parker wasn't much better.

game 5
Parker 5/15 13 pts /3 asst
Leonard 5/16 18 pts / 9 rebs

game 6
Parker 4/12 8 pts / 7 asst
Leonard 3/15 12 pts / 7 rebs

game 7
Parker 10/21 20 pts/5 asst
Leonard 5/13 13 pts / 10 rebs
I didn't say Parker was great. I'm just saying that Kawhi couldn't step up like Parker did against the Mavs the year before.

[rmt]

I didn't say Parker was great. I'm just saying that Kawhi couldn't step up like Parker did against the Mavs the year before.

Why cherry-pick? Like Leonard did in the Finals the year before?

Peace. Spurs fans shouldn't be bickering like this.

[ninephive]

:lol Paul is better at shooting passing and defense. parker is little better at driving. Parker has had god awful playoff runs ofset by tim duncan
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha the ultimate playoff choker?

[ninephive]

Why cherry-pick? Like Leonard did in the Finals the year before?

Peace. Spurs fans shouldn't be bickering like this.
You mean when he almost scored as much as Parker?

Because it was the only elimination game the Spurs had.

[ninephive]

Paul is a better player use a stat that tells you other wise. Oh wait you can't.
Parker has never been a first team guard
Best Playoff Series:

Chris Paul
24.6 / 12.0 on 50% (2008 WCR1, beat the Mavs)
23.7 / 10.7 on 50% (2008 WCR2, lost to Spurs)
22.5 / 11.8 on 51% (2014 WCR2, lost to Thunder)

Tony Parker
29.6 / 7.0 on 52% (2008 WCR1, beat the Suns)
28.6 / 6.8 on 55% (2009 WCR1, lost to Mavs)
24.5 / 9.5 on 53% (2013 WCF, beat the Grizzlies)

[rmt]

You mean when he almost scored as much as Parker?

Because it was the only elimination game the Spurs had.

Are you really gonna go there? Are you really comparing Parker's 2014 Finals performance to Leonard's? Are you forgetting who Leonard had to defend - the 28 pt best player in the league Lebron James compared to the sad duo of Chalmers/Cole (4/3 pts)?

[Lebron23]

Hell no. He was a former finals MVP, and multiple NBA All Star/NBA Teamer. His Game declined in the last few years, and he greatly benefited playing for Greg Popovich, but he was a baller during his prime.

[Jailblazers7]

I think at this point he is just getting old. He is a little overrated now because expectations haven't realigned for him yet but they probably will next year.

[RRR3]

If the Spurs win next year, ninephive will be arguing that Parker is better than Magic :lol

[Euroleague]

If you are talking about skills, then yes, he is massively overrated actually. He's never been a good passer or play maker. He's not really a point guard, he's basically a shooting guard actually.

He's also not that good of a shooter. He's a good mid range to long mid range shooter. He has 3 point range certainly, but he's not a good 3 point shooter and it's not really something he can use tactically.

So yes, from a skills standpoint, he's massively overrated, because he's never really rated based on those issues in his game, especially being a point guard.

But his ability to drive and finish, and play in the Spurs system pretty much negated most of those weaknesses. That's probably why he never really had those weaknesses talked about too much.

Because it never shows so much.

With France's national team, they have showed a lot of times over the years though.

[Lebron23]

Best European Point Guard of All time.

[TripleA]

Best Playoff Series:

Chris Paul
24.6 / 12.0 on 50% (2008 WCR1, beat the Mavs)
23.7 / 10.7 on 50% (2008 WCR2, lost to Spurs)
22.5 / 11.8 on 51% (2014 WCR2, lost to Thunder)

Tony Parker
29.6 / 7.0 on 52% (2008 WCR1, beat the Suns)
28.6 / 6.8 on 55% (2009 WCR1, lost to Mavs)
24.5 / 9.5 on 53% (2013 WCF, beat the Grizzlies)

:lol you have go to specific series you ass hat. How about you look at the entire playoffs clown. Chris Paul is first team all nba guard unlike tony. Dog its ok.
:cry: pretty much every one including players,coaches,media and generally people know Chris Paul is better than parker.:yaohappy:

[ninephive]

Are you really gonna go there? Are you really comparing Parker's 2014 Finals performance to Leonard's? Are you forgetting who Leonard had to defend - the 28 pt best player in the league Lebron James compared to the sad duo of Chalmers/Cole (4/3 pts)?
Lol, choose your narrative bro. So Parker holds Chalmers and Cole below their averages (cut their scoring in half) and forces them to shoot terribly from the field (32%), but that's a negative for Parker now? And Lebron puts up better numbers than he did during the season (more PPG on better shooting) because Kawhi was "guarding" him? Sounds like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

[triangleoffense]

This is an interesting and legit question IMO.. Parker is the perfect system PG for Popovich and the Spurs... He has great court vision, driving and scoring ability but can be an undersized guard in certain matchups which makes him somewhat of a liability defensively. Luckily though playing in a system gives him a huge advantage

[rmt]

Lol, choose your narrative bro. So Parker holds Chalmers and Cole below their averages (cut their scoring in half) and forces them to shoot terribly from the field (32%), but that's a negative for Parker now? And Lebron puts up better numbers than he did during the season (more PPG on better shooting) because Kawhi was "guarding" him? Sounds like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You and I both know that Chalmers was in a terrible slump from the beginning of May - even before the Finals. The narrative wasn't "Parker is playing such great defense on Chalmers." It was "What's wrong with the Heat's point guards? - getting no production out of them.

And you know darn well that Leonard defends Lebron as well as just about anyone in the league. It's part of the reason why they gave him DPOY award even though he missed a bunch of games.

And, I'm not a bro.