If Melo dont take knicks to the playoffs in 2016...

[Real14]

...Then I won't stick up for him no more, my respect level for him will go REAL far down, especially if he have a healthy season and healthy teammates that should make the playoffs. Would you respect him that much ISH if he had all the tools and health to make playoffs but failed to do so again?

[Cocaine80s]

Cavs
Bulls
Hawks
Heat
Pacers
Wizards
Raptors
Bucks

[Bay Area Baller]

*crickets chirping*

[RRR3]

I respect Melos ability and that he is a HOF player.

I don't particularly care for him as a player though; don't like his playing style.

[imdaman99]

As you know Fresh, I'm done sticking up for him. Of course I will root for him if fans of other teams insult him because he plays for the team I root for...but I have no attachment to him. Playoffs or bust this year, as they don't have their pick.

[Real14]

Cavs
Bulls
Hawks
Heat
Pacers
Wizards
Raptors
Bucks

Explain.

[Real14]

*crickets chirping*
Who the hell are you?:coleman:

[RRR3]

As you know Fresh, I'm done sticking up for him. Of course I will root for him if fans of other teams insult him because he plays for the team I root for...but I have no attachment to him. Playoffs or bust this year, as they don't have their pick.
Man keep sticking up for him. As long as you're not putting him over Bran :D


Seriously though I don't even like Melo and I imagine his laziness is maddening for you guys but there's not a whole lot he could have done with some of the teammates he's played with.

[outbreak]

Cavs
Bulls
Hawks
Heat
Pacers
Wizards
Raptors
Bucks

Magic will likely be trying for the 8th seed this year too.

[Real14]

As you know Fresh, I'm done sticking up for him. Of course I will root for him if fans of other teams insult him because he plays for the team I root for...but I have no attachment to him. Playoffs or bust this year, as they don't have their pick.

I feel you man. I kept sticking for him because I believed that he was gonna revitalize the knicks as one of the best teams again (happened in 2013 but became worse since then) especially since he's home but I'm tired of Waiting on this guy even tho the knicks front office are the main ones to blame:facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

what does their rotation look like

[Real14]

Magic will likely be trying for the 8th seed this year too.

How?:coleman:

[JohnMax]

Carmelo

regular season 25.2 ppg 6.6 rpg 3.1 apg 45.5%
playoffs 25.7 ppg 7.3 rpg 2.8 apg 41.7%

Kobe

regular season 25.4 ppg 5.3 rpg 4.8 apg 45.1%
playoffs 25.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg 44.8%


2:57 to 3:01 In exactly half of Carmelo's playoff games, he's shot 40 percent or less

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jR90yAyTYY&t=2m57s

33 out of 66 playoff games where Melo shot 40 percent or less highlighted in yellow

http://imgur.com/FL5dIOY

[RRR3]

How?:coleman:
Mario SWAGjonza that's how.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Best thing he ever did was drain a bunch of threes for the USA team.

[ClipperRevival]

His game just went against how you win titles. A black hole on offense who settled mostly for midrange shots. You don't win that way. You top dog has to be more. Great individual scorer but his game was all wrong for winning titles.

His best chance was in 2008-09. Some thought Denver wqs the better team over Lakers. Had they gotten past the Lakers, they would've probably beaten Orlando. Wonder how the world views him if he wins it in 2009. But NBA isn't built on what ifs.

[el gringos]

If Carmelo is health they'll be a playoff team. But not easy. Who's the 2nd option. A teenage rookie? Calderon? Got some role players, but overall a pretty weak offseason. Good draft, terrible use of fa money.

[Millslapped]

Magic will likely be trying for the 8th seed this year too.
6-8
pacers are by no means a lock

[Real14]

6-8
pacers are by no means a lock
If the pacers are not then how are the tragic a lock?:biggums:

[RRR3]

If the pacers are not then how are the tragic a lock?:biggums:
They're not a lock but the east is a feckin joke atm so who knows. We really need some conference parity it wasn't nearly this bad a few years ago.

[Millslapped]

If the pacers are not then how are the tragic a lock?:biggums:
i didn't say they were.

[Legends66NBA7]

1) ISH (majority) doesn't respect the East, so making the playoffs don't mean jack.

2) ISH (majority) cares a lot when a player wins a ring, especially as "the man".

Melo will make the HOF which will be the highlight of his career. Isn't likely to win a chip anytime soon if ever.

Knicks should be the favourites to make the playoffs out of their division, though. Everyone else took a far step back.

[Spurs m8]

Melos a lazy, over-rated bum these days, he's not taking him team anywhere

[Real14]

They're not a lock but the east is a feckin joke atm so who knows. We really need some conference parity it wasn't nearly this bad a few years ago.
Sad to say but this definitely true about the current state of the leastern conference:facepalm

[Millslapped]

also, i think people are underestimating the impact Hibbert and West had on that team

[RRR3]

Sad to say but this definitely true about the current state of the leastern conference:facepalm
Yep. If I were commish Id try to move one or both of the Grizzlies and Pelicans to the east. I guess the Bucks and/or Pistons can go West. Probably Bucks for Grizzlies. But I like AD being in the east we need more stars in the east.

[Real14]

1) ISH (majority) doesn't respect the East, so making the playoffs don't mean jack.

2) ISH (majority) cares a lot when a player wins a ring, especially as "the man".

Melo will make the HOF which will be the highlight of his career. Isn't likely to win a chip anytime soon if ever.

Knicks should be the favourites to make the playoffs out of their division, though. Everyone else took a far step back.

Damn you think they should be better then the celts and raptors?:eek: shocking to hear this from you.

[Real14]

Yep. If I were commish Id try to move one or both of the Grizzlies and Pelicans to the east. I guess the Bucks and/or Pistons can go West. Probably Bucks for Grizzlies. But I like AD being in the east we need more stars in the east.
Truthfully they should of switched milwaukee and memphis a long time ago. Memphis is definitely east.

[outbreak]

How?:coleman:

With our all round roster and depth.

[Legends66NBA7]

Celtics have a log jam of players and I don't think they'll all fit to make a strong run for the division. Raptors have a lot of pieces moving and I don't think they'll be as good last year unless Lowry and DeRozan stay healthy and play like they did in 2014.

Division is weak. Knicks have the best player in that division when healthy and he has rim protectors and rebounders. That should be good enough to get there.

[outbreak]

6-8
pacers are by no means a lock

Yeah the east is a bit sad. I see Orlando winning somewhere between 36-42 games and still making the play offs. It's a stepping stone year for us though, we will get stomped first round but it's just a sign we are moving in to a competing mode and we'll try to attract the vets we need next off season while our youth develops. Our line up still has so many question marks on how the rotations will be and who will step up but there's a lot of positives there.

[RRR3]

Truthfully they should of switched milwaukee and memphis a long time ago. Memphis is definitely east.
:applause:

Not only is Memphis in the eastern half of the U.S.,
The Grizzlies play like an EC team.

[Millslapped]

Yeah the east is a bit sad. I see Orlando winning somewhere between 36-42 games and still making the play offs. It's a stepping stone year for us though, we will get stomped first round but it's just a sign we are moving in to a competing mode and we'll try to attract the vets we need next off season while our youth develops. Our line up still has so many question marks on how the rotations will be and who will step up but there's a lot of positives there.
i think one more trade is made here soon. either that or harkless was only freed up for a spot for harvey

[SpecialQue]

They will be in the playoffs this season. Unless Melo gets hurt there's no way they're going to miss out in that shitty conference. At this point Melo HAS to feel the pressure to prove his worth, right? Then again, who knows. He may just be that lazy.

[RRR3]

They will be in the playoffs this season. Unless Melo gets hurt there's no way they're going to miss out in that shitty conference. At this point Melo HAS to feel the pressure to prove his worth, right? Then again, who knows. He may just be that lazy.
With the Knicks luck, this will be the season Melo tries super hard, but the rest of the east will magically become unshitty and the Knicks will still suck.

[Real14]

:applause:

Not only is Memphis in the eastern half of the U.S.,
The Grizzlies play like an EC team.
True but Grizzlies need Another go to player to give them a chance to make the finals or win a ring. If they were east then bron would have a hard ass time making the finals just to lose for sure.

[RRR3]

True but Grizzlies need Another go to player to give them a chance to make the finals or win a ring. If they were east then bron would have a hard ass time making the finals just to lose for sure.
Not necessarily. I thought they had a chance against the Warriors this year but Conley and Allen missed games.

[outbreak]

i think one more trade is made here soon. either that or harkless was only freed up for a spot for harvey
I think they already had a spot for Harvey. I could see them bringing in a big man who performs in summer league. Unless they have a buyer for Frye and are clearing room to move him as he is the one picked to be gone at the all star break to a competitor.

[SpecialQue]

With the Knicks luck, this will be the season Melo tries super hard, but the rest of the east will magically become unshitty and the Knicks will still suck.

I thought last year the east was going to magically unsuck. Remember early on when everyone was saying that FINALLY the east was looking competitive? I just don't know what the fvck is going on there. :facepalm

[RRR3]

I thought last year the east was going to magically unsuck. Remember early on when everyone was saying that FINALLY the east was looking competitive? I just don't know what the fvck is going on there. :facepalm
Well the East wasn't too bad from say 2008-2012 or so? There were Big 3/4 Celtics, Brans Cavs and later Big 3 Heat, D12 led Magic, and the Bulls were very good in 2011 and 2012. The rest wasnt great but better than 5-8 seeds in the east were last year iirc. And that was still 4 legit teams at one time in the east.

[Real14]

Well the East wasn't too bad from say 2008-2012 or so? There were Big 3/4 Celtics, Brans Cavs and later Big 3 Heat, D12 led Magic, and the Bulls were very good in 2011 and 2012. The rest wasnt great but better than 5-8 seeds in the east were last year iirc. And that was still 4 legit teams at one time in the east.
Don't forget about the mediocre hawks too.

[Kobe_6/8]

I don't blame Melo for being lazy, given the roster around him.

He has accepted the title of 'loser'.

He will never win a ring as 'the man', and he probably will never win one at all.

:confusedshrug: He should focus on his personal brand.

[pastis]

NY is playing in one of the worst divisions (or the worst). second place is a lock and looking to NY roster now....with Melo having a solid year without injury they will pass raptors as well. so nearly a playoff lock due to division champion.

def. not really impressive making the playoffs dude

[smoovegittar]

Man keep sticking up for him. As long as you're not putting him over Bran :D


Seriously though I don't even like Melo and I imagine his laziness is maddening for you guys but there's not a whole lot he could have done with some of the teammates he's played with.
If you're calling Melo lazy, then you obviously haven't been watching.

My only beef with Melo is his lack of trust in teammates and triangle. And I can't blame him too much, either. It's make or break this season. If they fail to make playoffs, he will demand a trade next year.

I won't cry about it.

[smoovegittar]

With the Knicks luck, this will be the season Melo tries super hard, but the rest of the east will magically become unshitty and the Knicks will still suck.

Your love of the hafling's leaf has addled your mind...

[GreggPopazit]

...Then I won't stick up for him no more, my respect level for him will go REAL far down, especially if he have a healthy season and healthy teammates that should make the playoffs. Would you respect him that much ISH if he had all the tools and health to make playoffs but failed to do so again?

So you process things about 5 years slower than the average fan. Good to know.

[smoovegittar]

So you process things about 5 years slower than the average fan. Good to know.
Yet another alt. :facepalm

[GreggPopazit]

Yet another alt. :facepalm

????

I post more frequently than you do, yet I'm the alt?

[Fire Colangelo]

I was a huge fan of Melo when he was in College. Hopefully he can stay healthy and turn it around, that's all I can say...

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Celtics getting no love on ISH no more.

[outbreak]

Celtics getting no love on ISH no more.
Celtics are in a position where they need one big name and they will get love again. They have a nice complimentary roster at the moment but don't have anyone who looks like they have star potential.

[Legends66NBA7]

Celtics getting no love on ISH no more.

After the Knicks, they should be 2nd in line for the Atlantic Division. Unless the Knicks are injured, the C's should cap the crown.

No doubt should be a playoff team.

[PsychoBe]

melo was a big reason why i'm still a syracuse fan till' this day