Cavaliers will never be a dynasty because of LeBron ball

[JohnMax]

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[Cocaine80s]

Damn, Tmz even stealing posts now

[Milbuck]

:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Why are you quoting a dude who posts like he has Aspergers? It's like...stop talking to me about dinosaurs I'm trying to watch the fvcking game.

[Nash]

TMZ:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Might as well add this, then...


So, Lebron, basically without Kyrie and Love in the Finals (and had Kyrie not been injured in OT in game one, they might have won that game)...and essentially single-handedly taking a roster that was WORSE than MJ's '87 team , which was SWEPT by the slowly declining 59-23 Celtics (with a teammate averaging 20-15 BTW)...to TWO wins, and nearly TWO more...in a 4-2 series loss against arguably the greatest team in the last ten years (a 67-15 Warrior team that was basically first in offense, and first in defense...and in the tough western conference)..."has reached his CEILING with this group?"

You mean a team without it's THREE best players? A team in which his SECOND OPTION was JR SMITH, who took, BY FAR, the second most shots of this HORRID group of clowns...and put up a 12-4-1 .312 Finals? And he was just one of "the Three Stooges"...followed closely by Deli and his .283 shooting, as well as Shumpert and his .258 shooting. When two of his "best" teammates were Knick cast-offs?

You have got be kidding, right?



As for the rest of your nonsense...Lebron carried a broken down Wade, and a career loser and choker in Bosh ("Mr. ZERO POINTS IN A GAME SEVEN Bosh") to FOUR STRAIGHT FINALS, with TWO consecutive titles, as well as TWO consecutive FMVPs.

Go ahead and give me your list of players who have accomplished that.

And again...every team Lebron has joined has become a Finalist, at worst, and every team he has left has IMMEDIATELY CRUMBLED to a losing record.



If you want to claim that MJ is greater than Lebron...you won't get an argument from me. BUT, if you think that MJ was FAR greater...sorry, it simply was not true. MJ had, BY FAR, the most STACKED rosters in the watered down 90's. BY FAR. How do I KNOW that? Because the year after he suddenly quit, and the Bulls had to scramble to replace him with Pete Myers...they went an INJURY-PLAGUED 55-27 (yes, as Grant and Pippen missed a combined 22 games)...and nearly knocked off the 56-26 Knicks in the ECSF's.

And to make matters worse, Jordan couldn't carry that same EXACT roster any further the very next season. In fact, they were WORSE in that '95 post-season. So what happened next? They had to ADD another HOFer, to a roster that won 55 games (and could easily have won a title) withOUT him!

I'm sorry my friend...but constantly disparaging not only Lebron, but now MJ's STACKED rosters (and COACH)...is just RIDICULOUS.

Lebron is now firmly entrenched in the All-Time Top-10, and likely will continue to rise. I doubt that he ever gets to MJ's level...but in any case, he is STILL an all-time great, who ELEVATED the play of crappy rosters and teammates, including the two career LOSERS withOUT him...Wade and Bosh.

[LAZERUSS]

LBJ is not an ATG

No, of course not.

Nor is Curry, either, who was only the Warriors 2nd (or even worse) best player in the Finals.

Iggy :bowdown:

[Trollsmasher]

So, Lebron, basically without Kyrie and Love in the Finals (and had Kyrie not been injured in OT in game one, they might have won that game)...and essentially single-handedly taking a roster that was WORSE than MJ's '87 team , which was SWEPT by the slowly declining 59-23 Celtics (with a teammate averaging 20-15 BTW)...to TWO wins, and nearly TWO more...in a 4-2 series loss against arguably the greatest team in the last ten years (a 67-15 Warrior team that was basically first in offense, and first in defense...and in the tough western conference)..."has reached his CEILING with this group?"

You mean a team without it's THREE best players? A team in which his SECOND OPTION was JR SMITH, who took, BY FAR, the second most shots of this HORRID group of clowns...and put up a 12-4-1 .312 Finals? And he was just one of "the Three Stooges"...followed closely by Deli and his .283 shooting, as well as Shumpert and his .258 shooting. When two of his "best" teammates were Knick cast-offs?

You have got be kidding, right?



As for the rest of your nonsense...Lebron carried a broken down Wade, and a career loser and choker in Bosh ("Mr. ZERO POINTS IN A GAME SEVEN Bosh") to FOUR STRAIGHT FINALS, with TWO consecutive titles, as well as TWO consecutive FMVPs.

Go ahead and give me your list of players who have accomplished that.

And again...every team Lebron has joined has become a Finalist, at worst, and every team he has left has IMMEDIATELY CRUMBLED to a losing record.



If you want to claim that MJ is greater than Lebron...you won't get an argument from me. BUT, if you think that MJ was FAR greater...sorry, it simply was not true. MJ had, BY FAR, the most STACKED rosters in the watered down 90's. BY FAR. How do I KNOW that? Because the year after he suddenly quit, and the Bulls had to scramble to replace him with Pete Myers...they went an INJURY-PLAGUED 55-27 (yes, as Grant and Pippen missed a combined 22 games)...and nearly knocked off the 56-26 Knicks in the ECSF's.

And to make matters worse, Jordan couldn't carry that same EXACT roster any further the very next season. In fact, they were WORSE in that '95 post-season. So what happened next? They had to ADD another HOFer, to a roster that won 55 games (and could easily have won a title) withOUT him!

I'm sorry my friend...but constantly disparaging not only Lebron, but now MJ's STACKED rosters (and COACH)...is just RIDICULOUS.

Lebron is now firmly entrenched in the All-Time Top-10, and likely will continue to rise. I doubt that he ever gets to MJ's level...but in any case, he is STILL an all-time great, who ELEVATED the play of crappy rosters and teammates, including the two career LOSERS withOUT him...Wade and Bosh.

[ISHGoat]

Offseason

[TripleA]

LBJ is not an ATG
:eek:

[Lebron23]

Just report him to Jeff. He's banning trolls right now.

[SouBeachTalents]

but in any case, he is STILL an all-time great, who ELEVATED the play of crappy rosters and teammates, including the two career LOSERS withOUT him...Wade and Bosh.

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[LAZERUSS]

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Wade without Lebron...

career 153-157 record.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade without Lebron...

career 153-157 record.

Not sure where you got those figures from. Wade is 290-243 in games he's started without LeBron, 280-202 if you remove that aberration of the '08 season

[warriorfan]

Wade without Lebron...

career 153-157 record.

No one remembers regular season records, they remember Chips.

[AintNoSunshine]

He's top 5 BEST basketball players ever, at the very least

As for GOAT, he's top 10 at the very least.

[LAZERUSS]

Not sure where you got those figures from. Wade is 290-243 in games he's started without LeBron, 280-202 if you remove that aberration of the '08 season

Sorry, I used that with both Shaq and Lebron.

Without those two, he has a losing record, and never makes it to the Finals.

Just an FYI...the year in which he won a FMVP...with Shaq... 42-17. Without Shaq... 10-13. Same thing the next season. With Shaq... 25-15. Without...19-23.

[Asukal]

No one remembers regular season records, they remember Chips.

Grandpa Loseruss makes it a point to give props to the regular season because that's where his boy shined. And don't mention chips, GOAT choker only has 2. :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Grandpa Loseruss makes it a point to give props to the regular season because that's where his boy shined. And don't mention chips, GOAT choker only has 2. :lol

The "GOAT choker" who SLAUGHTERED the GOAT "winner" in their 143 career H2H's, and destroyed him in their biggest games.

[Asukal]

The "GOAT choker" who SLAUGHTERED the GOAT "winner" in their 143 career H2H's, and destroyed him in their biggest games.

Yet 11 rings..... you call that slaughtered? I'd be laughing my ass off if I was Russ. :oldlol: :roll: :lol

Question: Choose one, stats or rings? :rolleyes:

Don't even bother answering. :oldlol:

[Papaya Petee]

Sorry, I used that with both Shaq and Lebron.

Without those two, he has a losing record, and never makes it to the Finals.

Just an FYI...the year in which he won a FMVP...with Shaq... 42-17. Without Shaq... 10-13. Same thing the next season. With Shaq... 25-15. Without...19-23.

Wait, so a player whose missing his 2nd option and a dominant center doesn't have as good of a record when his 2nd options out?:roll: you are the most retarded poster.

Carried Wade 4 straight years.

Year 1- 26/6/5/2/1
Year 2- 22/5/5/1/1
Year 3- 21/5/5/2/1
Year 4- 19/5/5/1/1 (limited minutes)

"Carried"

[Kobe_6/8]

The Cavaliers aren't supposed to be a dynasty. LeBron would have had a higher chance of winning on many different teams, but he wants to bring 1 ring to Cleveland. Not a 3-peat.

[LAZERUSS]

Wait, so a player whose missing his 2nd option and a dominant center doesn't have as good of a record when his 2nd options out?:roll: you are the most retarded poster.

Carried Wade 4 straight years.

Year 1- 26/6/5/2/1
Year 2- 22/5/5/1/1
Year 3- 21/5/5/2/1
Year 4- 19/5/5/1/1 (limited minutes)

"Carried"

Wade was the man in '11. How did that work out?

After that, while Wade continued to crumble...Lebron carried the next three teams to the Finals, winning two rings, and two FMVP's, and with ZERO help from Wade in the one he "lost."

Oh, and how did Wade do in '15, without Lebron?

[LAZERUSS]

Yet 11 rings..... you call that slaughtered? I'd be laughing my ass off if I was Russ. :oldlol: :roll: :lol

Question: Choose one, stats or rings? :rolleyes:

Don't even bother answering. :oldlol:

Easy...I'll take the best player. Swap rosters with Russell, and Chamberlain would have had 11 rings. No question.

When he did have a roster that was the equal of Russell's, and healthy...a 4-1 crushing of the eight-time defending champion 60-21 Celtics, in a near sweep.

[Kobe_6/8]

Sorry, I used that with both Shaq and Lebron.

Without those two, he has a losing record, and never makes it to the Finals.

Just an FYI...the year in which he won a FMVP...with Shaq... 42-17. Without Shaq... 10-13. Same thing the next season. With Shaq... 25-15. Without...19-23.

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Rat poison

[Asukal]

Easy...I'll take the best player. Swap rosters with Russell, and Chamberlain would have had 11 rings. No question.

When he did have a roster that was the equal of Russell's, and healthy...a 4-1 crushing of the eight-time defending champion 60-21 Celtics, in a near sweep.

That would be Bill Russell. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

That would be Bill Russell. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ah...NO...

Chamberlain held a 7-2 margin in First-Team All-NBA selections in their 10 years in the league together, and he was far more dominant in the two in which he did not. ESPECIALLY in '65, when he took his 40-40 Sixers to a game seven, one point loss, against a 62-18 Celtics, at the apex of their dynasty...in a series in which Chamberlain hung a 30 ppg, 31 rpg, .555 FG% stat-line, which included a game seven of 30 points, on 12-15 shooting from the floor, with 32 rebounds (scoring Philly's last eight points BTW.)

[Dresta]

Wade was the man in '11. How did that work out?

After that, while Wade continued to crumble...Lebron carried the next three teams to the Finals, winning two rings, and two FMVP's, and with ZERO help from Wade in the one he "lost."

Oh, and how did Wade do in '15, without Lebron?
:facepalm


This dude is shameless: he's on some Pauk-level retarded shit right now.

Keep to your Wilt slurping - even that makes you look like a fanatical dumbass, but at least you occasionally say something interesting, whereas whenever you have anything to say on more recent basketball, it is almost always utter drivel, with the above post being the case in point.

[SouBeachTalents]

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Rat poison

Lol, you can literally say the same exact thing for Kobe without Shaq & Gasol

[Dresta]

Lazeruss has never heard of the word "context" it seems.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron ball enhances average players to become a respectable unit, but takes good to great players and reduces them to a respectable unit. It's an odd dichotomy given his all-time great swiss army knife, jack of all trades, master of none abilities. It's why guys like LeBron, Oscar, hell ... Wilt. They're considered losers, and didn't maximize the talent around them.

[LAZERUSS]

LeBron ball enhances average players to become a respectable unit, but takes good to great players and reduces them to a respectable unit. It's an odd dichotomy given his all-time great swiss army knife, jack of all trades, master of none abilities. It's why guys like LeBron, Oscar, hell ... Wilt. They're considered losers, and didn't maximize the talent around them.

And we have have seen the records of Lebron's and Wilt's teams before they arrived, and after they left. Dramatic declines (including Wilt's '69 Sixers, who were annihilated by a 48-34 Celtics team in the first round.) As well as their records WITH them. Staggering W-L records, multiple Finals, and rings.

Hell, after Wilt left the Warriors, the combo of Barry and Thurmond went 35-45, and then when they added Mullins and Lee, among others, in '67, they still couldn't match Wilt's 48-32 record in '64, achieved with a cast of clowns.

[Dro]

That would be Bill Russell. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Bill Russell is not a better player than Wilt. This is a team sport.

[Lebron23]

LeBron ball enhances average players to become a respectable unit, but takes good to great players and reduces them to a respectable unit. It's an odd dichotomy given his all-time great swiss army knife, jack of all trades, master of none abilities. It's why guys like LeBron, Oscar, hell ... Wilt. They're considered losers, and didn't maximize the talent around them.


Cavaliers were able to win 2 games vs. Warriors without Love, and Irving. With a healthy team next season they beat the Warriors in 4-5 games. The Warriors are also missing David Lee who was traded to the Celtics.

[34-24 Footwork]

This is a very easy concept to understand, in my opinion. Without a multitude of players spreading the floor for him, his best days are far behind him. Dude needs to let Mosgov/Kyrie/Love do their thing and the work pick and roll game...and he should stay out of their way and learn how to be a confident jump shooter.

[34-24 Footwork]

With Lebron clogging up the paint, it doesn't let the big men do what they're paid to do...

The problem is, if he played traditionally, his "all-around" stats would be so godly.

[Rose'sACL]

With Lebron clogging up the paint, it doesn't let the big men do what they're paid to do...

The problem is, if he played traditionally, his "all-around" stats would be so godly.
This. if lebron played traditionally(your definition),Bosh would have better stats. Heat would have 0 rings since 2006 but bosh would have had better stats.

If lebron played traditionally, Mozgov and TT would have carried the cavs to finals win and cavs would have their first championship.


Lazeruss has never heard of the word "context" it seems.
You hate lebron when he is the best player who played for the heat. Who needs context when you can hate.

[LAZERUSS]

This. if lebron played traditionally(your definition),Bosh would have better stats. Heat would have 0 rings since 2006 but bosh would had better stats.

Exactly.

Bosh without Lebron...career loser and worthless in his biggest games.

LBJ should have sacrificed his own game for the good of the rotten surrounding casts, ...and been content with losing team records.

[Inferno]

Why do people call OP TMZ here? :coleman:

[Papaya Petee]

Wade was the man in '11. How did that work out?

After that, while Wade continued to crumble...Lebron carried the next three teams to the Finals, winning two rings, and two FMVP's, and with ZERO help from Wade in the one he "lost."

Oh, and how did Wade do in '15, without Lebron?
Oh, so Wade losing in the finals in 2011 as the man is bad but Lebron getting destroyed in 2014 is an accomplishment :roll:

How has Lebron done in his career without Wade?
Wade without Lebron 1/1 in the finals FMVP
LeBron without Wade 0/2 in the Finals 2-8 finals record.

[triangleoffense]

LeBron ball enhances average players to become a respectable unit, but takes good to great players and reduces them to a respectable unit. It's an odd dichotomy given his all-time great swiss army knife, jack of all trades, master of none abilities. It's why guys like LeBron, Oscar, hell ... Wilt. They're considered losers, and didn't maximize the talent around them.
This is sorta a good way of putting it.. all great players in the top10 have a legendary mindset/will/drive IMO. Kobe/Shaq/Magic/Bird/Kareem etc all have great winning attitudes and their winning as well as numbers got greater when they were paired with other great players. Shaq's best seasons were actually in LA playing alongside Kobe and Kobe put up some of his most stellar seasons as well alongside Shaq and then again with Gasol.

[Magic 32]

Wade was the man in '11. How did that work out?


Very well.

Sadly his second option disappeared in the finals.

[Rose'sACL]

Very well.

Sadly his second option disappeared in the finals.
but lebron wasn't clogging the paint. Bosh should have dominated going by what most idiots on this board think including you.

Bosh put up 11.9 ppg in 2013 finals and heat still won. LeBron wasn't shooting enough in 2011 so bosh clearly had the chance to shine if you go by your logic.

[LAZERUSS]

Oh, so Wade losing in the finals in 2011 as the man is bad but Lebron getting destroyed in 2014 is an accomplishment :roll:

How has Lebron done in his career without Wade?
Wade without Lebron 1/1 in the finals FMVP
LeBron without Wade 0/2 in the Finals 2-8 finals record.

Find me a season in which Lebron "carried" a team to a 10-41 record. Find me three post-seasons in which Lebron couldn't get his team past the first round. Hell, find me ONE.

[Magic 32]

but lebron wasn't clogging the paint. Bosh should have dominated going by what most idiots on this board think including you.

Bosh put up 11.9 ppg in 2011 finals. LeBron wasn't shooting enough so bosh clearly had the chance to shine if you go by your logic.

Bosh was the third option.

Bosh and Wade did their part.

Lebron did nothing (including playmaking).

Replace Lebron with a shooter and give Bosh the ball in the post = 2011 Championship

[Indian guy]

LeBron ball enhances average players to become a respectable unit, but takes good to great players and reduces them to a respectable unit.

What are you remotely basing this on? Miami averaged 59 wins per season in their 4 years together, made 4 straight Finals, won 2 championships and Wade/Bosh's numbers were about as ideal as you could possibly ask for from a 2nd/3rd option. "Respectable unit"?? What does that even mean?

And with LeBron in the lineup, Cleveland had the win % of a 61-win team this past season. Kyrie(ball-pounder) had his best year as a pro, but Love(16/10) underachieved, although I don't see why that's LeBron's fault. Given Cleveland's slow start(and the gigantic expectations), Blatt basically had to scratch their set offense and pretty much let his team run a basic pick n roll/iso-dominated offense(good enough for 3rd best in the league). I expect Love to be a lot more productive next season.

LeBron's ball dominance basically ended by the 2009 season. 2010 at the latest. Cleveland managed to post back-to-back top 5 offensive seasons(and league best-records) despite mediocre rosters and inept offensive coaching(Mike Brown). That's all LeBron. By his 2nd Heat season(2012), he was primarily playing the 4 on O and was part of a fairly sophisticated set Heat offense. Look up any full-game highlight clip of his from 12-14. His initial point of attack and just the way he's scoring in general is completely different from his Cleveland days(04-08). There's absolutely no ball dominance or hardly any of your typical 1-4/high picknroll sets. His game changed - his basketball IQ increased, his skills expanded and Spoelstra designed an offense with plenty of cutting and ball movement to maximize the Big 3's talents - and LeBron bought in.

LeBron's teams from 2009-2015 teams have an average offensive rank of 4. You don't achieve that with your SF mindlessly pounding the ball. Watch the games.

[Rose'sACL]

This is sorta a good way of putting it.. all great players in the top10 have a legendary mindset/will/drive IMO. Kobe/Shaq/Magic/Bird/Kareem etc all have great winning attitudes and their winning as well as numbers got greater when they were paired with other great players. Shaq's best seasons were actually in LA playing alongside Kobe and Kobe put up some of his most stellar seasons as well alongside Shaq and then again with Gasol.
Which all time great player has seen a decline with lebron?
Kobe has shown that he is top 10 GOAT. Wade has Shown he is in that top 20-25 GOAT category and his stats were nearly equal with lebron in 2011 when he was healthy. Wade's stats clearly dipped because of injuries.
If you have players like lebron, wade or lebron, kyrie on the team then players like love and bosh will see decline in their numbers because they don't have all time great back to the basket post game.
Put Prime Shaq with lebron and Shaq's numbers would be really great while lebron's assist numbers will rise greatly.

[Rose'sACL]

Bosh was the third option.

Bosh and Wade did their part.

Lebron did nothing (including playmaking).

Replace Lebron with a shooter and give Bosh the ball in the post = 2011 Championship
No, lebron didn't take enough shots so clearly bosh had the shots but was just not good enough.
Bosh is only elite at one thing on offense compared to wade and lebron and that is mid range shooting.
LeBron wasn't going 6-24 in every game so clearly there were shots to be had for bosh. He wasn't clogging the paint either so i have no idea why bosh didn't average 23-12 vs the mavs in 2011.

[Lebron23]

Indian Guy (welcome back), and Rose'ACl dropping shown knowledge in this thread.

[Magic 32]

No, lebron didn't take enough shots so clearly bosh had the shots but was just not good enough. LeBron wasn't going 6-24 in every game so clearly there were shots to be had for bosh. He wasn't clogging the paint either so i have no idea why bosh didn't average 23-12 vs the mavs in 2011.

Because the offense was designed for a Lebron/Wade combo where both players still had testicals. Bosh had almost no plays run for him.

He would have been ready...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkifS6KOuTU

[TripleA]

Because the offense was designed for a Lebron/Wade combo where both players still had testicals. Bosh had almost no plays run for him.

He would have been ready...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkifS6KOuTU

Bosh is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen he is the Joe Johnson of big men. If he stayed in Toronto he would be another Shareef Abdul Raheem.

[34-24 Footwork]

The Rose ACL guys is pathetic. Seriously. Funny thing is, if Kevin Love would've been healthy during the finals, you would've blamed him for the loss. But since the Cavs loss, you say that it was because he wasn't playing. Lmao.

What's your excuse next season? I'm all ears, kiddo :lol

[Magic 32]

Bosh is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen he is the Joe Johnson of big men. If he stayed in Toronto he would be another Shareef Abdul Raheem.

Lebron sure makes his teammates popular.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bosh is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen he is the Joe Johnson of big men. If he stayed in Toronto he would be another Shareef Abdul Raheem.

8 seasons without LeBron
50 games under .500
3 total playoff wins
1 All-NBA 2nd Team selection (in 12 seasons)
Missed the playoffs 6 out of 8 seasons

Superstar doe

[Asukal]

Bill Russell is not a better player than Wilt. This is a team sport.

What's your criteria? Stats? :lol :oldlol: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

8 seasons without LeBron
50 games under .500
3 total playoff wins
1 All-NBA 2nd Team selection (in 12 seasons)
Missed the playoffs 6 out of 8 seasons

Superstar doe

Damn...even though I don't always agree with you, you are among the very few outstanding posters here.

:cheers:

[TripleA]

Damn...even though I don't always agree with you, you are among the very few outstanding posters here.

:cheers:

wheres my cred.:D

[Rose'sACL]

The Rose ACL guys is pathetic. Seriously. Funny thing is, if Kevin Love would've been healthy during the finals, you would've blamed him for the loss. But since the Cavs loss, you say that it was because he wasn't playing. Lmao.

What's your excuse next season? I'm all ears, kiddo :lol
i wouldn't have blamed love at all if he gave 18-9 which is way short of his numbers on the wolves. Why wouldn't i blame bosh for putting up 12-9 in 2013 finals? He then followed it up with 14-5 in 2014 finals. He was also letting duncan have his way with him. Heat would have won game 6 and game 7 in 2013 rather easily if bosh wasn't getting absolutely destroyed on defense while doing nothing on offense.

I am just realistic. Love would have made a huge difference on offense by just being on the court. I have even said that healthy kyrie and love would have resulted in a win for the cavs. Cavs probably got the best chance this year to win it all. It will be way tougher against the Spurs. Pretty unfortunate that kyrie and love got injured. That Warriors team was very beatable unlike the Spurs with aldridge.

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn...even though I don't always agree with you, you are among the very few outstanding posters here.

:cheers:

Thanks brah. My only disagreement is you diminish Wade too much, besides that though, usually respect your opinions on here

:cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

Bosh is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen he is the Joe Johnson of big men. If he stayed in Toronto he would be another Shareef Abdul Raheem.

Excellent post. Another knowledgeable poster.

[Magic 32]

8 seasons without LeBron
50 games under .500
3 total playoff wins
1 All-NBA 2nd Team selection (in 12 seasons)
Missed the playoffs 6 out of 8 seasons

Superstar doe

Sort of like Pau.

Minus the 3 playoff wins before this year.

[LAZERUSS]

Thanks brah. My only disagreement is you diminish Wade too much, besides that though, usually respect your opinions on here

:cheers:

A prime Wade was great. But by the time Lebron joined him, he was on the decline. And he just declined further each season thereafter.

[TripleA]

Sort of like Pau.

Minus the 3 playoff wins before this year.
Pau is sorta overrated too. Elton Brand was better than him until his injuries.

[Magic 32]

A prime Wade was great. But by the time Lebron joined him, he was on the decline. And he just declined further each season thereafter.

Near prime Wade was great (2011-13).

Prime Wade was all-time great.

[TripleA]

Near prime Wade was great (2011-13).

Prime Wade was all-time great.

Top 20 player of alltime.:banana:

[Rose'sACL]

Sort of like Pau.

Minus the 3 playoff wins before this year.
Unlike Bosh, Pau grabbed 9 offensive rebounds in game 7 of the finals to lead the lakers to win in that game. Pau was the biggest factor in lakers winning that game 7 in 2010. No one expect Bosh to put up 23-10 on heat. People expected him to give 18-10. He failed.

Back to the basket game is very important when it comes to bigs. This is why duncan can still play very well even at this age. Bosh never could back his man down in the post. One of the main reason he can never be counted on against good defenders. Mid range jumpers are only thing he is good at if he is playing on a championship contender.


Near prime Wade was great (2011-13).

Prime Wade was all-time great.
I can understand you saying 2012 but 2013 was definitely not all time great. You have to count the games where he completely dissapeared in playoffs. When have one or 2 big games is counted as an achievement for an all time great player then he is not in his prime.

[Lebron23]

Cavaliers are going to win the championship next year. I can just feel it in my veins.

[Magic 32]

Unlike Bosh, Pau grabbed 9 offensive rebounds in game 7 of the finals to lead the lakers to win in that game.


Grabbing important rebounds.........

Grabbing important rebounds..............

Grabbing important rebounds........................


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[Rose'sACL]

Grabbing important rebounds.........

Grabbing important rebounds..............

Grabbing important rebounds........................


http://i.imgur.com/Zar6aTc.gif
You mistake rebound with rebounds. rebounds is plural. Go ahead and tell me that Pau's rebounding wasn't the biggest factor in lakers winning game7.

[Magic 32]

You mistake rebound with rebounds. rebounds is plural.

Bosh had 2 more offensive rebounds in the 4th and OT.

And that one rebound was more important than any in NBA history.


Go ahead and tell me that Pau's rebounding wasn't the biggest factor in lakers winning game7.

http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/MWP.jpg

[Lebron23]

Lebron said that he's working hard to improve the other facet's of his game.

[knicksman]

No, of course not.

Nor is Curry, either, who was only the Warriors 2nd (or even worse) best player in the Finals.

Iggy :bowdown:

You are so mad that curry surpassed wilt in just 1 try. Wilts other ring was him a role player

[diamenz]

Lebron said that he's working hard to improve the other facet's of his game.

doesn't every player say that every year?

[ArbitraryWater]

Gasol (08-11) > Wade (11-14)
Odom (08-11) = Bosh (11-14)

Indian guy already killed this thread though.

[Magic 32]

Gasol (08-11) > Wade (11-14)
Odom (08-11) = Bosh (11-14)


Dear god.

This is Lebron d*ck sucking at it's most desperate.