One thing I notice about Shaq and Wilt's dunks:

[CavaliersFTW]

Working on a Wilt dunk mix and watched the Shaq legacy video again and I noticed both of those guys rarely ever had legitimately contested dunks. The overwhelming majority of their dunks the defenders look afraid to even touch them. Not finished with the Wilt vid yet but check a few minutes of some of these Shaq dunks:

https://youtu.be/yoYVko6PTvo?t=45m59s

Does anyone look at defense like that and think it is weak? If so, let's say you were a defender, you've got to play for 30+ minutes against those 300and 350lb giants, what are you supposed to do get in front of their body and put your hands between them and the rim? It seems to be rare that anyone even tries to stop Shaq or Wilt's dunks. I personally think it speaks volumes of their physical presence. People look afraid of them.

[ShawkFactory]

Not contesting Shaq dunking isn't weak. It's smart way to not:
1. get in foul trouble
2. potentially award him an extra point
3. end up on a poster
4. hurt yourself

[Cocaine80s]

Please dont group that peasant with Shaq.... ever again.

[CavaliersFTW]

Please dont group that peasant with Shaq.... ever again.
The two most physically dominant players ever. It's quite a common and logical comparison, get used to it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Can't speak on Wilt, but contesting a Shaq dunk is having a death wish.

Alonzo Mourning might be the only guy to contest everything around the rim, but I think he even hesitated on half of those dunks by Shaq.

[CavaliersFTW]

Not contesting Shaq dunking isn't weak. It's smart way to not:
1. get in foul trouble
2. potentially award him an extra point
3. end up on a poster
4. hurt yourself
I agree. Minus the 3rd, would you feel the same applies to Wilt?

I'm almost finished with his own dunk mix, and the way the defenders look afraid to get between him and the rim is almost identical.

[TripleA]

The two most physically dominant players ever. It's quite a common and logical comparison, get used to it.

:applause:

[Foster5k]

Contesting a prime Shaq dunk isn't the smart basketball move. You're not stopping the dunk. At best, you're going to foul him. At worst, you end up with a minor injury.

[ShawkFactory]

I agree. Minus the 3rd, would you feel the same applies to Wilt?

I'm almost finished with his own dunk mix, and the way the defenders look afraid to get between him and the rim is almost identical.
I never watched Wilt so I can't say. I know he was probably smoother and more athletic than Shaq overall, but did he have the same voraciousness under the rim? Shaq wanted to hurt people at times it seemed.

[CavaliersFTW]

I never watched Wilt so I can't say. I know he was probably smoother and more athletic than Shaq overall, but did he have the same voraciousness under the rim? Shaq wanted to hurt people at times it seemed.
I suppose you'll have to wait and see the dunk mix coming up - I'll re-bump this thread once it's uploaded and you and everyone can see and compare the dunks with the collective memory and clips of Shaq's dunks.

In isolation Wilt did not dislodge and elbow people like Shaq. The aggressive bump and back down tactics. But that stuff happens before any dunking anyways, and that's only a fraction of dunks someone like Shaq or Wilt would potentially get in a game a lot more of them are off offensive rebounds, quick spins, some less physical drop steps and backdoor/p&r/g&g type plays too.

As far as already having the ball their hands, when deep, the defenses look like the react the same with both guys. 1 in 10 are contested, usually with impunity, the other 9 times people looked too scared to touch them. And this looks largely the same between both of them in my eyes though you guys can evaluate for yourselves once I put the footage up.

[FKAri]

What about that time Shaq got repeatedly blocked by rookie Yao or that time Ben Wallace tricep extended Shaq's dunk right back down on him?

But you're right most of the time guys avoided it because Shaq was so good at finishing with contact that fouling him without giving away an and1 or a flagrant was hard.

[Straight_Ballin]

Working on a Wilt dunk mix and watched the Shaq legacy video again and I noticed both of those guys rarely ever had legitimately contested dunks. The overwhelming majority of their dunks the defenders look afraid to even touch them. Not finished with the Wilt vid yet but check a few minutes of some of these Shaq dunks:

https://youtu.be/yoYVko6PTvo?t=45m59s

Does anyone look at defense like that and think it is weak? If so, let's say you were a defender, you've got to play for 30+ minutes against those 300and 350lb giants, what are you supposed to do get in front of their body and put your hands between them and the rim? It seems to be rare that anyone even tries to stop Shaq or Wilt's dunks. I personally think it speaks volumes of their physical presence. People look afraid of them.

Please don't ever compare Wilt to the greatest peak player of all time. One man pulled down the entire foundation of the hoop, the other man has only tall tales of his inferior strength relative to Shaq.

"But.. but.. but.. Arnold said...."

No one cares. Wilt never destroyed the foundation of the hoop. Evidence that he had inferior strength and explosiveness.

[TheReal Kendall]

I like Wilt even though I only seen a few clips of him. From what I've seen though it doesn't look like he dunks with the force as Shaq did.

Shaq looked like he was trying to break the rim every time he dunk. Wilt look a little more finesse to me.

I think most people thought it was a lost cause to contest these guys' dunks. Probably knew they couldn't block it and would just get hurt or foul them like the other posters stated.

[HighFlyer23]

Wilt was not as powerful as Shaq.

He didn't go through defneders, rather he went over and above them.

[Straight_Ballin]

Wilt never destroyed the foundation of the hoop.

His dunks were inferior with much less strength and explosiveness because he just wasn't as explosive or strong.

It really does come down to that and LAZURUS knows it.

[warriorfan]

Cavs subtly trying to group Wilt in with Shaq's level of down low power.

A for effort.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt was not as powerful as Shaq.

He didn't go through defneders, rather he went over and above them.
I don't think that's quite how it goes.

My understanding from testimony and watching film is Wilt did not like to go through defenders - in isolation post up plays - the same way Shaq would. This is a very specific type of play though. If a spin to the baseline for a dunk wasn't available Wilt would prefer to fade away or turn in with one drop step for a finger roll (same footwork Shaq used for a jump hook). Where as Shaq would try and back you down and lean into you more aggressively before he'd decide to hook or take a form of jump shot. There are always exceptions to this too, there are clips of Wilt dislodging people but only a few. There are also clips of Shaq taking a fall away type of shot but of course, only a few.

But an isolation post up play is but one method among a list of methods that can and did generate a dunks for both players. You have to consider back door plays, lobs, p&r, g&g, fast breaks, trailers, and offensive rebound put backs are all also generating dunks for both of those players. And in those specific dunk plays, both guys look virtually the same. They BOTH would go over top of players in those plays, and they both had such mass and strength players almost always appeared to duck out of the way instead of try and take any of the contact or put hands up.

[La Frescobaldi]

Please don't ever compare Wilt to the greatest peak player of all time. One man pulled down the entire foundation of the hoop, the other man has only tall tales of his inferior strength relative to Shaq.

"But.. but.. but.. Arnold said...."

No one cares. Wilt never destroyed the foundation of the hoop. Evidence that he had inferior strength and explosiveness.

Chamberlain performed the greatest feats of strength I've ever seen on a basketball court and it's not remotely close.

Nor was O'Neal's peak ever greater than Jordan, Jabbar, Chamberlain, Bird, ABA Julius Erving, nor Magic Jonson's peaks, all of which I witnessed. In around the basket, strictly on offense, he has an argument; but nowhere else. He never dominated the entire court like those others did.

If you want to compare him with Moses Malone or Kobe Bryant, someone of that level, by all means have fun with that.
But to compare him with Chamberlain at anything but low post offense is witless.

[Trollsmasher]

weak era

[DonDadda59]

Working on a Wilt dunk mix and watched the Shaq legacy video again and I noticed both of those guys rarely ever had legitimately contested dunks.

Ridiculous. Tons of Shaq's dunks were contested.

Multiple Jams on Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, etc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxekAQr7BGE)

He had one where Alonzo Mourning bounced off him like Zo was a bug getting splattered on a wind shield. :eek:

[ShawkFactory]

Please don't ever compare Wilt to the greatest peak player of all time. One man pulled down the entire foundation of the hoop, the other man has only tall tales of his inferior strength relative to Shaq.

"But.. but.. but.. Arnold said...."

No one cares. Wilt never destroyed the foundation of the hoop. Evidence that he had inferior strength and explosiveness.
You are literally retarded. I'm surprised you can type

[DonDadda59]

The City of Portland = Tokyo, Shaq = Godzilla (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMX1FGwyr38)

[CavaliersFTW]

Ridiculous. Tons of Shaq's dunks were contested.

Multiple Jams on Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, etc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxekAQr7BGE)

He had one where Alonzo Mourning bounced off him like Zo was a bug getting splattered on a wind shield. :eek:
I don't think you get the premise of the thread. "Tons" of Wilt's dunks were also contested.

Even if 1 and 10 or 1 and 20 are contested, when score 28-30,000 points making a career out of deep positioning inevitably your going to have a lot of examples of contested dunks.

But it's still the overwhelming minority of all dunk attempts.

The overwhelming majority were thrown in the hoop while people in close proximity were ducking out of the way.

You think I'm wrong here? Watch 10 games of Shaq. Count how many times he dunks. Then count how many of those dunks were well contested. Once he's got the ball in his hands and he's about to take off, most people cleared out. And for good reason.

[Sarcastic]

Wilt didn't go through defenders because the game was called different back then. If Shaq time travelled back to Wilt's time, he'd foul out the first 6 times he touched the ball.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt didn't go through defenders because the game was called different back then. If Shaq time travelled back to Wilt's time, he'd foul out the first 6 times he touched the ball.
This COULD be true.

However, I must say George Mikan tended to use his elbows and shoulders and lean and turn heavily into contact in efforts to sort of dislodge players in a very similar fashion to what Shaq did decades later.

It could be based on how a superstar forces refs to evaluate calls. So perhaps in the Mikan, and Shaq era, refs were presented with two rough superstars, and had to sort of adjust or re-evaluate how they called games. In the Wilt, Russell and Jabbar era even slight contact did seem to warrant an offensive charge. But it could be because that's how that generation of superstars had trained the refs to call games.

I'm not entirely sure, just my 2 cents based on observation.

[HighFlyer23]

Wilt didn't go through defenders because the game was called different back then. If Shaq time travelled back to Wilt's time, he'd foul out the first 6 times he touched the ball.

No

Wilt himself claims to play a more finesse game to "prove" critics, detractors, and the media wrong. The line of thinking was that of course someone so much larger than the competition could out muscle his way to the basket.

But really I think that his game was just like that. He wasn't a power player like Shaq. He was a strong guy, but that wasn't his game.

[CavaliersFTW]

No

Wilt himself claims to play a more finesse game to "prove" critics, detractors, and the media wrong. The line of thinking was that of course someone so much larger than the competition could out muscle his way to the basket.

But really I think that his game was just like that. He wasn't a power player like Shaq. He was a strong guy, but that wasn't his game.
It is a little bit of both though, technically the offensive fouls are indeed called way softer in Wilt and Russell era games. Watch some of them and you'll think "how TF is that a charge he barely touched him?". I think Kareem "charges" Bellamy in these highlights somewhere, as a good example of it. Kareem barely brushes up against Bellamy's chest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSYtYGYxBFk

Meanwhile there's film of Shaq literally going underneath Mutumbo, then proceeding to lift him off the ground with his shoulder. And it isn't called a foul.

But as I also said, I think the players influence the refs and visa versa, I think Shaq used to get called for a lot of those fouls early in his career, like AI used to get called for a lot of carries early in his career. Eventually that stuff stops getting called. I think if Wilt wanted to play physical like Mikan or Shaq, maybe the refs would have eventually let it happen. But like you said, it wasn't in his nature to run people over.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Thing is, most defenders in Wilt's era couldn't even touch the rim. Basically made it very easy to dunk.

[DonDadda59]

I don't think you get the premise of the thread. "Tons" of Wilt's dunks were also contested.

Even if 1 and 10 or 1 and 20 are contested, when score 28-30,000 points making a career out of deep positioning inevitably your going to have a lot of examples of contested dunks.

But it's still the overwhelming minority of all dunk attempts.

The overwhelming majority were thrown in the hoop while people in close proximity were ducking out of the way.

You think I'm wrong here? Watch 10 games of Shaq. Count how many times he dunks. Then count how many of those dunks were well contested. Once he's got the ball in his hands and he's about to take off, most people cleared out. And for good reason.

You can watch whole series of players trying to challenge Shaq's dunk attempts consistently (see: Mutumbo, Dikembe).

[CavaliersFTW]

You can watch whole series of players trying to challenge Shaq's dunk attempts consistently (see: Mutumbo, Dikembe).
Same is true if you watch Russell vs Wilt clips.

Doesn't change the premise of the thread.

Do you still deny the overwhelming majority of Shaq's dunks were made while people were either clearing out or standing/watching playing matador defense?

People didn't want to get run over by the diesel. This is not an insult to him, this is a credit to his physical prowess. You seem to be taking it like it's an insult and hesitate to admit that's how most of his dunks were defended. It's not a dis, it is the opposite. It is proof positive he was a scary mf'er down low.

[DonDadda59]

Do you still deny the overwhelming majority of Shaq's dunks were made while people were either clearing out or standing/watching playing matador defense?



I do deny it. Teams used to throw doubles and triples at Shaq and there'd be guys climbing all over him trying to contest his dunk attempts.

It's interesting that in your OP you highlighted old way past prime Shaq playing in a soft era void of good-great centers where most players in general don't contest dunk attempts. If you said post '06 or so, then you'd be on to something. But young, prime, slightly past prime Shaq vs the likes of Ewing, Robinson, Dream, Deke, Zo, etc? Hell no. Those guys didn't care if you jammed on them 10 times in a row, they're challenging you on the 11th attempt. That's why you can find compilations of the best dunks on Zo or Dikemebe.

Just a different mentality today. But back in the 90s-2000s... he usually had someone really challenging his shot/dunk attempts.

[LAZERUSS]

The biggest problem when comparing FOOTAGE of Chamberlain against ANY player from say, 1990 on, is that we only have about TWO PERCENT of his actual career on film.

Another little known (now) fact was that Wilt went out of his way NOT to throw down thunderous dunks...particularly in the second half of his career. He used to CUSHION his dunks for fear of injuring opposing players.

Furthermore, there was NO WAY the NBA would have allowed Chamberlain to do this (legally anyway)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

And again, as Sarcastic alluded to earlier in this thread... had Shaq played that way in Wilt's era, he would have either fouled out within a few minutes...or been called for palming and carrying the ball on nearly dribble, as well.

I do agree that both of these combined for the most dunks in NBA history...and by a mile. The major difference was, a "scoring" Chamberlain had range up to 15 feet, with a considerably greater variety of post moves.

As for strength...Wilt would have thrown Shaq around like a 3 year old. Not even remotely close in terms of raw strength.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, and before someone shows a pic of Wilt in high school, or even in the early 60's...

Chamberlain weighed as much as 320 lbs by as early as 1963.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CqxIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xwANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3715,469887&dq=&hl=en

His weight obviously fluctuated his entire career, but at 320 lbs Wilt was pure muscle, whereas a 340+ Shaq was a hog.

Oh, and thanks to CavsFTW find...Wilt was nearly two inches taller than Shaq, as well.

[senelcoolidge]

Wilt had more of a finesse game. Plainly Wilt was more skilled than Shaq so he didn't have to just dunk it on people to score. He could use post moves or go to his fade away jump shot. Could Wilt have just dunked the ball like Shaq, am pretty sure he could but why do that when you have so many other ways of scoring the ball.

[DonDadda59]

As for strength...Wilt would have thrown Shaq around like a 3 year old. Not even remotely close in terms of raw strength.

:yaohappy:


Plainly Wilt was more skilled than Shaq so he didn't have to just dunk it on people to score.

:facepalm

Shaq was easily more skilled than Wilt. And a better athlete too. Wilt's early scoring dominance was due to him playing in a nascent NBA where there had only been a handful of players 6'11" or taller. He was the tallest player ever when he joined the league. As more real centers came along during his tenure, his 40 and 50 PPG seasons became 20 PPG seasons.

Kareem was FAAAAAR more skilled than Wilt.

[LAZERUSS]

:yaohappy:



:facepalm

Shaq was easily more skilled than Wilt. And a better athlete too. Wilt's early scoring dominance was due to him playing in a nascent NBA where there had only been a handful of players 6'11" or taller. He was the tallest player ever when he joined the league. As more real centers came along during his tenure, his 40 and 50 PPG seasons became 20 PPG seasons.

Kareem was FAAAAAR more skilled than Wilt.

Kareem's three highest point games against an aging 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy in 24 career H2H's... 40 points, 39 points, and 35 points.

Wilt? He had a 20 game STREAK against a PEAK Bellamy, in which he AVERAGED 48.2 ppg! THREE games of 60+, with a high of 73.

Kareem's high game against a fulltime 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond? 34 points. BTW, in his 37 career H2H's with a fulltime Thurmond...FIVE games of 30+.

How about Wilt? A "scoring" Chamberlain had games of 38 and 45 points against Thurmond. And, in a span of 13 H2H's, a scoring Chamberlain had SIX games of 30+.

I could go on, as well. A prime Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the SAME centers that a prime Kareem would face a few years later.


As for Shaq being a better athlete? Just hilarious. Chamberlain participated in SEVERAL track events while at Kansas U., and won a HIGH JUMP contest.

Strength? Again...truly laughable. The internet is PLASTERED with articles, and firsthand accounts of Wilt's strength. SI had an article in 1964 which already had Wilt benching 400 lbs EASILY. And Chamberlain would become bigger and stronger later in his career.

How about Shaq's bench press?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-BVncab0WI

Shaq couldn't BUDGE 405. Hell, I doubt the man EVER even did 375.

[DonDadda59]

Kareem's three highest point games against an aging 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy in 24 career H2H's... 40 points, 39 points, and 35 points.

Wilt? He had a 20 game STREAK against a PEAK Bellamy, in which he AVERAGED 48.2 ppg! THREE games of 60+, with a high of 73.

Kareem's high game against a fulltime 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond? 34 points. BTW, in his 37 career H2H's with a fulltime Thurmond...FIVE games of 30+.

How about Wilt? A "scoring" Chamberlain had games of 38 and 45 points against Thurmond. And, in a span of 13 H2H's, a scoring Chamberlain had SIX games of 30+.

I could go on, as well. A prime Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the SAME centers that a prime Kareem would face a few years later.

Wilt got his lunch money taken by Dave Cowens and let a one-legged Willis Reed win finals MVP :yaohappy:

He was a run-of-the-mill 20 PPG scorer by age 30 when the center position had become more than just 6'8" 220 lb part time insurance salesmen. His rival in the early part of his career was a guy built like a smaller Kevin Durant (who holds an 11-2 advantage in ring count, mind you).

Lew Alcindor saw far better center competition in college in the 60s than Wilt did in the NBA. And he was far more skilled than Wilt.

C'Mon Son. Kareem>>>Wilt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfkalgtZraE)

[BlakFrankWhite]

Kevin durant >> Wilt

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt got his lunch money taken by Dave Cowens and let a one-legged Willis Reed win finals MVP :yaohappy:

He was a run-of-the-mill 20 PPG scorer by age 30 when the center position had become more than just 6'8" 220 lb part time insurance salesmen. His rival in the early part of his career was a guy built like a smaller Kevin Durant (who holds an 11-2 advantage in ring count, mind you).

Lew Alcindor saw far better center competition in college in the 60s than Wilt did in the NBA. And he was far more skilled than Wilt.

C'Mon Son. Kareem>>>Wilt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfkalgtZraE)

Cowens outplayed a 36 year old Wilt, no question. Of course, Cowens also outplayed a PEAK Kareem in a game seven of the Finals. Of course, Wilt in his last 20 ppg season, just wiped with the floor with Cowens, outscoring him him by a 26.2 to 16.2 ppg margin in their five H2H's in the '70-71 season.

As for "a one-legged Reed" winning the FMVP. A ONE-LEGGED Chamberlain battled a TWO-LEGGED Reed to a draw in their first four games of the '70 Finals, and a ONE-LEGGED Wilt SLAUGHTERED a ONE-LEGGED Reed over the course of the last three games of that series.

How about a PRIME Chamberlain against a prime Reed? MURDERED him in their two H2H's just the season before the '70 season...outscoring him by a 28.0 ppg to 20.0 ppg margin, outrebounding him by a 22.0 rpg to 9.5 rpg margin, and outshooting Reed from the field by a .688 to .459 margin.

And if you go back to a prime "scoring" Wilt...he just ANNIHILATED Reed with a 12 game H2H in the '64-65 season in which he AVERAGED 38.6 ppg on a .532 FG%...including games in which he outscored Reed by margins of 46-25, 41-9, 52-23, and 58-28.

Oh, and a 33 year old Wilt was leading the league in scoring, at 32.2 ppg (on a .579 FG%) in his '69-70 season, when he shattered his knee. He badly outplayed rookie Kareem in their one H2H in every facet of the game, and then put up games of 33, 35, 37, 38, 42, and 43 points (on Dierking...the same player who Kareem would score his high game against of 41 points.)

In fact, this "run-of-the-mill 20 PPG scorer" put up the HIGH games in the NBA in his '67, '68, and '69 seasons, ...games of 52, 53, 53, 58, 60, 66, and 68 points. All in a span of three years in which Chamberlain averaged 24 ppg, 24 ppg, and 21 ppg. BTW, Kareem's career high game, in his 20 year career... 55 points.

[DonDadda59]

Cowens outplayed a 36 year old Wilt, no question. Of course, Cowens also outplayed a PEAK Kareem in a game seven of the Finals. Of course, Wilt in his last 20 ppg season, just wiped with the floor with Cowens, outscoring him him by a 26.2 to 16.2 ppg margin in their five H2H's in the '70-71 season.

As for "a one-legged Reed" winning the FMVP. A ONE-LEGGED Chamberlain battled a TWO-LEGGED Reed to a draw in their first four games of the '70 Finals, and a ONE-LEGGED Wilt SLAUGHTERED a ONE-LEGGED Reed over the course of the last three games of that series.

How about a PRIME Chamberlain against a prime Reed? MURDERED him in their two H2H's just the season before the '70 season...outscoring him by a 28.0 ppg to 20.0 ppg margin, outrebounding him by a 22.0 rpg to 9.5 rpg margin, and outshooting Reed from the field by a .688 to .459 margin.

And if you go back to a prime "scoring" Wilt...he just ANNIHILATED Reed with a 12 game H2H in the '64-65 season in which he AVERAGED 38.6 ppg on a .532 FG%...including games in which he outscored Reed by margins of 46-25, 41-9, 52-23, and 58-28.

Typical Wilt- do great in the regular season, let your opponent win Finals MVP on one leg. :facepalm

Wilt himself knew the NBA was a joke in the 50s-60s. He made a lot more money playing for the Globetrotters than he did the Warriors, and he was the NBA's highest paid player. No wonder he penned the aptly named series, 'My Life in a Bush League'.

http://i33.tinypic.com/1z66268.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

Typical Wilt- do great in the regular season, let your opponent win Finals MVP on one leg. :facepalm

Wilt himself knew the NBA was a joke in the 50s-60s. He made a lot more money playing for the Globetrotters than he did the Warriors, and he was the NBA's highest paid player. No wonder he penned the aptly named series, 'My Life in a Bush League'.

Chamberlain badly outplayed Reed in the '70 Finals. Plain-and-simple. In fact, it was a complete joke that a Reed, who scored a TOTAL of 11 points, with 3 rebounds, and on 4-10 shooting in the last three games of a seven game Finals...won the FMVP.

Oh, and in their '68 playoff battle, Chamberlain led BOTH teams in scoring, rebounding, assists, and FG% (25.5 ppg, 24.1 rpg, 6.3 apg, and on a .584 FG%.) BTW, Chamberlain's primary defender was Bellamy, whom he held to a .421 FG%...in a season in which Bellamy shot .541 against the NBA.

Chamberlain DOMINATED the 60's...so what? Again, a PRIME Chamberlain was FAR more dominant against the SAME centers that a PRIME Kareem would face just a few years later.

And how about Wilt's H2H's in his LAST season, in '73, and at age 36?


Chamberlain, at age 36, and in his LAST season vs the best centers in the league:


Vs. Cowens in 4 H2H's:

Cowens: 31.3 ppg, 19.8 rpg, .454 FG%

Wilt: 14.3 ppg, 14.5 rpg, .588 FG%



vs. Reed in 3 regular season H2H's:

Reed: 12.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, .471 FG%

Wilt: 6.3 ppg, 23.3 rpg, .529 FG%

vs. Reed in 5 Finals' H2H's:

Reed: 16.4 ppg, 9.2 rpg, .493 FG%

Wilt: 11.6 ppg, 18.6 rpg, .525 FG%


vs. Bellamy in 4 H2H's:

Bellamy: 17.0 ppg, 18.0 rpg ( 2 known games), .400 FG% (2 known game)

Wilt: 9.8 ppg, 20.5 rpg, .593 FG%


vs. Unseld in 4 H2H's:

Unseld: 12.8 ppg, 15.3 rpg, .481 FG%

Wilt: 12.8 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .769 FG%


vs. McAdoo in 4 H2H's:

McAdoo: 16.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, .450 FG% (3 known games)

Wilt: 20.5 ppg, 21.3 rpg, .850 FG%


vs. Thurmond in 7 regular season H2H's:

Thurmond: 12.3 ppg, 21.6 rpg, .315 FG%

Wilt: 5.1 ppg, 16.6 rpg, .684 FG%

vs. Thurmond in 5 playoff H2H's:

Thurmond: 15.8 ppg, 17.2 rpg, .373 FG%

Wilt: 7.0 ppg, 23.6 rpg, .611 FG%


vs. Lanier in 6 H2H's:

Lanier: 21.2 ppg, 13.4 rpg (5 known games), .374 FG% (5 known games)

Wilt: 19.8 ppg, 16.3 rpg, .764 FG%



vs. Kareem in 6 H2H's:

Kareem: 29.5 ppg, 17.8 rpg, .450 FG%

Wilt: 11.0 ppg, 16.0 rpg, .737 FG%

[bdreason]

Only a few guys ever tried to consistently contest Shaq at the rim. I remember Mutumbo tried his best in the Finals, and he just ate elbow after elbow.


I think in the modern NBA, Shaq would probably get called for more offensive fouls.

[bdreason]

Also, I don't see Shaq and Wilt as similar dunkers. Both tremendous athletes, but different athletes. Shaq did most of his work before the dunk even occurred. He would use his incredible base to dislodge the defender. Most of the time the defender wasn't in a position to even attempt to block the dunk/shot. This may appear as if the defender isn't even trying... but that's because he already lost the war.

Shaq was also really good, especially during his Lakers days, of using the defenders weight against them. Shaq is such a big guy, defenders would have to use all their strength to push him off the block, and Shaq would feel that weight, and counter constantly. Shaq is probably the all-time leader in making guys fall on their own face trying to defend him in the post.

[julizaver]

Working on a Wilt dunk mix and watched the Shaq legacy video again and I noticed both of those guys rarely ever had legitimately contested dunks. The overwhelming majority of their dunks the defenders look afraid to even touch them. Not finished with the Wilt vid yet but check a few minutes of some of these Shaq dunks:

https://youtu.be/yoYVko6PTvo?t=45m59s

Does anyone look at defense like that and think it is weak? If so, let's say you were a defender, you've got to play for 30+ minutes against those 300and 350lb giants, what are you supposed to do get in front of their body and put your hands between them and the rim? It seems to be rare that anyone even tries to stop Shaq or Wilt's dunks. I personally think it speaks volumes of their physical presence. People look afraid of them.

The one thing that amazed me in Wilt's dunks is the power generated with only simple wrist flick and the speed of the ball when goes through the hoop. No doubt that in my mind that he could break all the backboards if he do his dunks ala Shaq (violently hanging on rims both hands).

[AirFederer]

As much as I appreciate OPs effort -I do - I'd have to say Wilt was much stronger.

This is based upon a story I heard when Wilt tossed a 220-230 pound man 40 feet in the air at the beach one time. The guy probably died from the fall.
The rim stood no chance!

[CavaliersFTW]

Also, I don't see Shaq and Wilt as similar dunkers. Both tremendous athletes, but different athletes. Shaq did most of his work before the dunk even occurred. He would use his incredible base to dislodge the defender. Most of the time the defender wasn't in a position to even attempt to block the dunk/shot. This may appear as if the defender isn't even trying... but that's because he already lost the war.

Shaq was also really good, especially during his Lakers days, of using the defenders weight against them. Shaq is such a big guy, defenders would have to use all their strength to push him off the block, and Shaq would feel that weight, and counter constantly. Shaq is probably the all-time leader in making guys fall on their own face trying to defend him in the post.
On post ups they are very different I don't disagree there. But post ups aren't where Wilt, nor even Shaq got the majority of their dunks. Post ups are but 1 of like 6 ways both of those guys got the ball to dunk it. And those other 5 opportunities both guys looked the same getting the ball, and putting the ball through the hoop.

Save for one detail, Shaq hung on the rims sometimes (used to be a violation in prior eras), so that's something Wilt never did.

But on lobs, 2 person games, transition etc Wilt and Shaq dunking looks virtually the same. And the effect of defenders not wanting to be near/between them and the hoop is also the same. I'm not talking about plays where Shaq has already dislodged somebody. I'm talking even on backdoor plays or plays where he was fronted and a help defender "could" rotate in front of him if they dared. But they rarely did. For both Wilt or Shaq. Most of the times they just watched those two dunk it. I presume because they were scared and rightfully so to take contact in mid-air from those guys, which were the biggest/strongest guys of their eras.

[Smoke117]

On post ups they are very different I don't disagree there. But post ups aren't where Wilt, nor even Shaq got the majority of their dunks. Post ups are but 1 of like 6 ways both of those guys got the ball to dunk it. And those other 5 opportunities both guys looked the same getting the ball, and putting the ball through the hoop.

Save for one detail, Shaq hung on the rims sometimes (used to be a violation in prior eras), so that's something Wilt never did.

But on lobs, 2 person games, transition etc Wilt and Shaq dunking looks virtually the same. And the effect of defenders not wanting to be near/between them and the hoop is also the same. I'm not talking about plays where Shaq has already dislodged somebody. I'm talking even on backdoor plays or plays where he was fronted and a defender "could" rotate in front of him if they dared. But they rarely did. For both Wilt or Shaq. Most of the times they just watched those two dunk it.

Nobody cares what you think f@ggot. You literally hate the best player on your team who carried them to the finals....:biggums: You are one of the biggest c@nts here...sloppy, stank, gag worthy even. You basically built that green bar up hating on Lebron (and this board is 70% lebron haters) while cheering on the Cavs. You're a pathetic little piss ant bitch.

[CavaliersFTW]

Nobody cares what you think f@ggot. You literally hate the best player on your team who carried them to the finals....:biggums: You are one of the biggest c@nts here...sloppy, stank, gag worthy even.
I don't hate Lebron James. I pity his cringeworthy stans.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt dunk mix should be up by tomorrow afternoon, it's rendering now

[Bless Mathews]

Ridiculous. Tons of Shaq's dunks were contested.

Multiple Jams on Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, etc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxekAQr7BGE)

He had one where Alonzo Mourning bounced off him like Zo was a bug getting splattered on a wind shield. :eek:


Word.

Slayed.


Shaq yoked on Hakeem zo Robinson , best bigs of era like nothin.

Vicious.

[sportjames23]

I do deny it. Teams used to throw doubles and triples at Shaq and there'd be guys climbing all over him trying to contest his dunk attempts.

It's interesting that in your OP you highlighted old way past prime Shaq playing in a soft era void of good-great centers where most players in general don't contest dunk attempts. If you said post '06 or so, then you'd be on to something. But young, prime, slightly past prime Shaq vs the likes of Ewing, Robinson, Dream, Deke, Zo, etc? Hell no. Those guys didn't care if you jammed on them 10 times in a row, they're challenging you on the 11th attempt. That's why you can find compilations of the best dunks on Zo or Dikemebe.

Just a different mentality today. But back in the 90s-2000s... he usually had someone really challenging his shot/dunk attempts.


Exactly.

[CavaliersFTW]

Word.

Slayed.


Shaq yoked on Hakeem zo Robinson , best bigs of era like nothin.

Vicious.
Wilt did the same. Doesn't change the fact that it was the minority of dunks for both of them. Seems you two don't understand the concept of highlights. Shaq could go several games without having one of his dunks challenged. Because those odd times someone did, highlight plays like those happened.


Take his 61 point game for example. Plenty of opportunities for him to get challenged on a dunk attempt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1m5XI_oq3o

Just like I stated in the OP:

3:00 no one challenges dunk
3:15 no one challenges dunk
3:25 no one challenges dunk
4:25 no one challenges dunk
4:30 no one even near him to challenge the dunk
5:43 no one challenges dunk - defender behind him lightly taps him to foul him
6:06 no one even near him to challenge the dunk
6:33 no one challenges dunk
7:30 no one challenges dunk
7:43 no one challenges dunk
9:15 the only defender that jumped but he keeps his hands down
9:50 no one challenges dunk

That's 12 dunks in one game, every single dunk in his career high 61 point game accounted for. Not A SINGLE ONE of them was even half-heartedly challenged. They tried to deny him position prior to catching down low sure, but once there? Nothing. Hands didn't go up on literally any of them. As I said, the majority of Shaq (and Wilt's) dunks went unchallenged. Due, from what I presume to be their dominating physical presence and the futile feeling defenders must have gotten around them. The proof is in the game film. I can't believe even a Shaq stan is arguing against this. Got to be the worst Shaq stan on the planet to not know how defenses reacted to Shaq during the course of a game.

[warriorfan]

Nobody cares what you think f@ggot. You literally hate the best player on your team who carried them to the finals....:biggums: You are one of the biggest c@nts here...sloppy, stank, gag worthy even. You basically built that green bar up hating on Lebron (and this board is 70% lebron haters) while cheering on the Cavs. You're a pathetic little piss ant bitch.

http://s18.postimg.org/za0176ylj/Jordanhitler30.gif

[Asukal]

@Cavsftw

3:00 dunk right after rebound, defense was off guard
3:15 dunk after getting block, defense was off guard
3:25 alley oop dunk, you expect someone to block that?
4:25 it was a transition dunk, defense didn't notice he was there
4:30 it was an awesome pass and shaq was right under the ring
5:43 another transition dunk, D tried to slap the ball from behind and got a F
6:06 another transition dunk, you expect that unathletic white dude to block it?
6:33 footage is cut but I guess this was another alley oop dunk
7:30 not even a dunk, its a transition lay up
7:43 yet another alley oop dunk
9:15 the guy was shoved aside by shaq's body weight, this is an example of how to use your body in the post to get the defense off balance
9:50 this is about the only dunk where the defense could've done something

The above is the result of terrible defense. You don't stop shaq by blocking his shots, you stop him by not letting him get into a position where he can make baskets. That would be very hard for any defender to do, because shaq is massive and strong with great footwork. When he does get into position, the defender couldn't do much but hope for him to miss or if help defense comes right on time to stop him from getting the ball up.

Cavs, you are alright and there's nothing wrong with you stanning a wilt chamberlain. Still you have much to learn about the game. :no:

[CavaliersFTW]

@Cavsftw

3:00 dunk right after rebound, defense was off guard
3:15 dunk after getting block, defense was off guard
3:25 alley oop dunk, you expect someone to block that?
4:25 it was a transition dunk, defense didn't notice he was there
4:30 it was an awesome pass and shaq was right under the ring
5:43 another transition dunk, D tried to slap the ball from behind and got a F
6:06 another transition dunk, you expect that unathletic white dude to block it?
6:33 footage is cut but I guess this was another alley oop dunk
7:30 not even a dunk, its a transition lay up
7:43 yet another alley oop dunk
9:15 the guy was shoved aside by shaq's body weight, this is an example of how to use your body in the post to get the defense off balance
9:50 this is about the only dunk where the defense could've done something

The above is the result of terrible defense. You don't stop shaq by blocking his shots, you stop him by not letting him get into a position where he can make baskets. That would be very hard for any defender to do, because shaq is massive and strong with great footwork. When he does get into position, the defender couldn't do much but hope for him to miss or if help defense comes right on time to stop him from getting the ball up.

Cavs, you are alright and there's nothing wrong with you stanning a wilt chamberlain. Still you have much to learn about the game. :no:
Don't wag your finger at me like I'm not aware what's going on on those plays. What I stated in the OP is crystal clear. The purpose of that post is crystal clear.

I know you defend bigs by trying to prevent them from getting deep - not by contesting their dunks that's the freaking point of this thread. Particularly Wilt and Shaq, are players that rarely posterize people. Because they are rarely challenged once in position to dunk. You've got people like Dondada trying to argue Shaq is posterizing dudes at the rim all the time like he's constantly challenged on his dunks. He goes and shows highlights of it as if that proved it. My above post, was my answer to that nonsense.

[sundizz]

CavsFTL again posting ignorance.

Lol at Shaq not being challenged on dunks. He is the best dunking center when it comes to facials that has ever played. He literally dunked on every other center in the league.

And facial in dunking are rare. He has more facials than probably even Kobe or Jordan.

You act like he needs to have a facial every game. One facial every 5 games is more than enough to say that he dominated anyone that challenged him at the rim.

Wilt on the other hand didn't have the benefit of playing against people that could even athletically challenge him. Who knows if he could of done more. But from the videos you post he definitely doesn't dunk with close to the force of Shaq. Shaq tries to tear down the rim and the man. Wilt dunks like Roy Hibbert.

[CavaliersFTW]

CavsFTL again posting ignorance.

Lol at Shaq not being challenged on dunks. He is the best dunking center when it comes to facials that has ever played. He literally dunked on every other center in the league.

And facial in dunking are rare. He has more facials than probably even Kobe or Jordan.

You act like he needs to have a facial every game. One facial every 5 games is more than enough to say that he dominated anyone that challenged him at the rim.

Wilt on the other hand didn't have the benefit of playing against people that could even athletically challenge him. Who knows if he could of done more. But from the videos you post he definitely doesn't dunk with close to the force of Shaq. Shaq tries to tear down the rim and the man. Wilt dunks like Roy Hibbert.
^ case in point

[Asukal]

Don't wag your finger at me like I'm not aware what's going on on those plays. What I stated in the OP is crystal clear. The purpose of that post is crystal clear.

I know you defend bigs by trying to prevent them from getting deep - not by contesting their dunks that's the freaking point of this thread. Particularly Wilt and Shaq, are players that don't posterize people. You've got people like Dondada trying to argue Shaq is posterizing dudes all the time. My above post, was my answer to that nonsense.

If you understood what's happening, then why are you wondering why they didn't or I should say couldn't defend those dunks? :whatever:

No wonder you like wilt, but that's none of my business. :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

If you understood what's happening, then why are you wondering why they didn't or I should say couldn't defend those dunks? :whatever:

No wonder you like wilt, but that's none of my business. :oldlol:
Who said I was wondering?

[Asukal]

Take his 61 point game for example. Plenty of opportunities for him to get challenged on a dunk attempt.

I only saw one in those plays. :confusedshrug:

Plenty of opportunities to foul out though that's for sure. :rolleyes:

[sundizz]

Also, you dummy you realize that getting challenged on a dunk attempt is not always a good thing. It means you are slow enough to allow someone to gather and jump. If you are constantly getting challenged on dunk attempts it speaks to more of a negative than a positive.

Shaq getting a lot of facials meant that it was the rare times that the defender wasn't dislodged/out of position due to Shaq's dominant foot speed/strength and actually had the time and balance to gather for a shot block attempt (as futile as it was).

It's amazing how bad you are at understanding basic basketball concepts and just dick ride these old timers.

I've challenged you many times to prove that your opinions are worthwhile by making predictive comments about current players (but as always you are scared to talk about anything but the past).

[CavaliersFTW]

I only saw one in those plays. :confusedshrug:

Plenty of opportunities to foul out though that's for sure. :rolleyes:
I don't think you understand that you are agreeing with me right now.

I pointed out in this thread that it is pointless to jump and challenge Shaq and Wilt dunks. I'm well aware that this is not when you defend those guys (once they get deep, it's too late you've already lost) that's pretty much the point of this thread.. Leave it to two butthurt Shaq fans to have took it as a slight on Shaq and proceed to say his dunks were challenged at the rim all the time. I simply posted that video to show no, they aren't.

You are taking this up with the wrong person. You need to take up this contesting dunks thing with your buddy Dondada. He's the one who actually said Shaq always got challenged at the rim.

[CavaliersFTW]

Also, you dummy you realize that getting challenged on a dunk attempt is not always a good thing. It means you are slow enough to allow someone to gather and jump. If you are constantly getting challenged on dunk attempts it speaks to more of a negative than a positive.

Shaq getting a lot of facials meant that it was the rare times that the defender wasn't dislodged/out of position due to Shaq's dominant foot speed/strength and actually had the time and balance to gather for a shot block attempt (as futile as it was).

It's amazing how bad you are at understanding basic basketball concepts and just dick ride these old timers.

I've challenged you many times to prove that your opinions are worthwhile by making predictive comments about current players (but as always you are scared to talk about anything but the past).
I'm gonna safely guesstimate at least half of Shaqs dunks didn't come from dislodging post moves.

[Asukal]

I don't think you understand that you are agreeing with me right now.

I pointed out in this thread that it is pointless to jump and challenge Shaq and Wilt dunks. I'm well aware that this is not when you defend those guys (once they get deep, it's too late you've already lost) that's pretty much the point of this thread.. Leave it to two butthurt Shaq fans to have took it as a slight on Shaq and proceed to say his dunks were challenged at the rim all the time. I simply posted that video to show no, they aren't.

You are taking this up with the wrong person. You need to take up this contesting dunks thing with your buddy Dondada. He's the one who actually said Shaq always got challenged at the rim.

You said plenty of opportunities to challenge him then proceed to post a video where there is almost none. But that's none of my business. :rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

You said plenty of opportunities to challenge him then proceed to post a video where there is almost none. But that's none of my business. :rolleyes:
Plenty of opportunities as in 11 dunks taken...

Dondada said in this thread the majority of Shaq's dunks were challenged at the rim. So at least 6 of those should have been challenged at the rim. They weren't. Get it? :hammerhead:

[Asukal]

Plenty of opportunities as in 11 dunks taken...

Dondada said in this thread the majority of Shaq's dunks were challenged at the rim. So at least 6 of those should have been challenged at the rim. They weren't. Get it? :hammerhead:

Yeah one game sample size. Good job. :applause:

Here's your own words in that post:
"Take his 61 point game for example. Plenty of opportunities for him to get challenged on a dunk attempt.

That's 12 dunks in one game, every single dunk in his career high 61 point game accounted for. Not A SINGLE ONE of them was even half-heartedly challenged."

But of course its not what you meant right? :whatever:

[Elosha]

Cavs,

I get your point; but your inquiry is a bit subjective since you define Wilt and Shaq facials dunks as "rare." That may or may not be true. There is a surprising dearth of in-depth Shaq video compilations, given his enormous and influential career, but suffice to say you can find tons of facial dunks in the mixes out there. However, Shaq was in all likelihood the most prolific and powerful dunker in NBA history, so if you can find say 100 facials out there on youtube, that doesn't mean there aren't far more uncontested dunks.

What I will say is that Shaq, in absolute terms, got challenged plenty of times and dunked over people harder/as often as anyone in NBA history. Just google or youtube his dunks on Alonzo, Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Duncan, Muresan, Bol, Yao Ming, Longley, Wennington, Rodman, etc. If you look hard enough, you can usually find multiple facials on each of these players, and many more on less known players.

While we obviously have even less of a percentage of Wilt's game footage, my guess is that as much as he dunked, he probably scored in more varied ways that Shaq and dunked a bit less. I will await your dunk compilation but in general it seems like he gets challenged even less than Shaq. There could be a variety of reasons for that. I will also say that whether one ultimately believes Shaq or Wilt to be the better, more dominant player (and I believe an argument can be made for either one), Shaq does appear to dunk with more explosiveness and ferocity than Wilt. For whatever reason, Shaq was a more physical player than Wilt, although not necessarily a better one.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nobody cares what you think f@ggot. You literally hate the best player on your team who carried them to the finals....:biggums: You are one of the biggest c@nts here...sloppy, stank, gag worthy even. You basically built that green bar up hating on Lebron (and this board is 70% lebron haters) while cheering on the Cavs. You're a pathetic little piss ant bitch.

Not a LeBron fan this guy. He is completely neutral. Bwahaha

[sportjames23]

Yeah one game sample size. Good job. :applause:

Here's your own words in that post:
"Take his 61 point game for example. Plenty of opportunities for him to get challenged on a dunk attempt.

That's 12 dunks in one game, every single dunk in his career high 61 point game accounted for. Not A SINGLE ONE of them was even half-heartedly challenged."

But of course its not what you meant right? :whatever:


Damn, CavsFTW, hold this real quick:

http://www.thecoli.com/attachments/sesame-street-l-o-gif.6432/?d=1432084765

[aj1987]

Chamberlain performed the greatest feats of strength I've ever seen on a basketball court and it's not remotely close.

Nor was O'Neal's peak ever greater than Jordan, Jabbar, Chamberlain, Bird, ABA Julius Erving, nor Magic Jonson's peaks, all of which I witnessed. In around the basket, strictly on offense, he has an argument; but nowhere else. He never dominated the entire court like those others did.

If you want to compare him with Moses Malone or Kobe Bryant, someone of that level, by all means have fun with that.
But to compare him with Chamberlain at anything but low post offense is witless.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[La Frescobaldi]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Hey!! Do I know you?

Did we sit bleachers in Detroit when the Bad Boy Pistons demolished the Bulls?

You were sitting just like that... head in hands sobbing because Scottie was afraid to go in the paint and Mike couldn't do everything by himself any more than LeBron or Kobe or Wilt, Clyde, Bird, Magic, or anybody else who ever played.

I thought you looked familiar wow long time no see.

[LAZERUSS]

Cavs,

I get your point; but your inquiry is a bit subjective since you define Wilt and Shaq facials dunks as "rare." That may or may not be true. There is a surprising dearth of in-depth Shaq video compilations, given his enormous and influential career, but suffice to say you can find tons of facial dunks in the mixes out there. However, Shaq was in all likelihood the most prolific and powerful dunker in NBA history, so if you can find say 100 facials out there on youtube, that doesn't mean there aren't far more uncontested dunks.

What I will say is that Shaq, in absolute terms, got challenged plenty of times and dunked over people harder/as often as anyone in NBA history. Just google or youtube his dunks on Alonzo, Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Duncan, Muresan, Bol, Yao Ming, Longley, Wennington, Rodman, etc. If you look hard enough, you can usually find multiple facials on each of these players, and many more on less known players.

While we obviously have even less of a percentage of Wilt's game footage, my guess is that as much as he dunked, he probably scored in more varied ways that Shaq and dunked a bit less. I will await your dunk compilation but in general it seems like he gets challenged even less than Shaq. There could be a variety of reasons for that. I will also say that whether one ultimately believes Shaq or Wilt to be the better, more dominant player (and I believe an argument can be made for either one), Shaq does appear to dunk with more explosiveness and ferocity than Wilt. For whatever reason, Shaq was a more physical player than Wilt, although not necessarily a better one.

I agree with most everything you posted. But regarding the more ferocious dunks by Shaq...very few players put much effort into their dunks in Wilt's era. Hell, Oscar was easily capable of dunking, and yet, he almost always gently laid the ball in.

There is footage of Gus Johnson throwing down a thunderous dunk, but he was the exception. He was known for smashing backboards, but when he tried to slam a breakaway on Chamberlain, he wound up with a dislocated shoulder, ...off of a clean block.

There just wasn't much "showboating" in that era.

And to be honest, why risk injury with high-flying highlights?

[Bless Mathews]

Wilt did the same. Doesn't change the fact that it was the minority of dunks for both of them. Seems you two don't understand the concept of highlights. Shaq could go several games without having one of his dunks challenged. Because those odd times someone did, highlight plays like those happened.


Take his 61 point game for example. Plenty of opportunities for him to get challenged on a dunk attempt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1m5XI_oq3o

Just like I stated in the OP:

3:00 no one challenges dunk
3:15 no one challenges dunk
3:25 no one challenges dunk
4:25 no one challenges dunk
4:30 no one even near him to challenge the dunk
5:43 no one challenges dunk - defender behind him lightly taps him to foul him
6:06 no one even near him to challenge the dunk
6:33 no one challenges dunk
7:30 no one challenges dunk
7:43 no one challenges dunk
9:15 the only defender that jumped but he keeps his hands down
9:50 no one challenges dunk

That's 12 dunks in one game, every single dunk in his career high 61 point game accounted for. Not A SINGLE ONE of them was even half-heartedly challenged. They tried to deny him position prior to catching down low sure, but once there? Nothing. Hands didn't go up on literally any of them. As I said, the majority of Shaq (and Wilt's) dunks went unchallenged. Due, from what I presume to be their dominating physical presence and the futile feeling defenders must have gotten around them. The proof is in the game film. I can't believe even a Shaq stan is arguing against this. Got to be the worst Shaq stan on the planet to not know how defenses reacted to Shaq during the course of a game.


Where's them wilt dunks on 6'8" 230 pounders?


Thought it was rendering g?


If Shaq went up against the same skinny white guys wilt went up against he could AVERAGE 100 a game.

Real type.

Don't know what's wrong with you.

You don't understand simple physics?









Where's dat highlight reel of wilt doe?

[aj1987]

Hey!! Do I know you?

Did we sit bleachers in Detroit when the Bad Boy Pistons demolished the Bulls?

You were sitting just like that... head in hands sobbing because Scottie was afraid to go in the paint and Mike couldn't do everything by himself any more than LeBron or Kobe or Wilt, Clyde, Bird, Magic, or anybody else who ever played.

I thought you looked familiar wow long time no see.
That wasn't. We were sitting next to each other in a bunch of Wilts' postseasons, when he was choking his ass off.