How many FMVP's were givin the award based on their defense?

[Hey Yo]

Kawhi was givin the award even though James avg. 28-8-4

iggy was givin' the award even though James avg. 31ppg against him

Who else was givin the FMVP due to "alleged" shut down defense?

[KiiiiNG]

He was given the award cause curry shot so bad and didn't do anything on the court.

Iggy won by default, because his teammates played like shit and choked.

If LeBron didn't shoot 30%, he would have won the award.

[FKAri]

Wilt averaged 127.6 ppg in the 1962 NBA Finals but Russell won the chip and FMVP

[Droid101]

28% beyond 5 feet. Atrocious shooting, thanks mostly to Iggy.

[Wade's Rings]

Kawhi was givin the award even though James avg. 28-8-4

iggy was givin' the award even though James avg. 31ppg against him

Who else was givin the FMVP due to "alleged" shut down defense?

The Shut Down Defense wasn't "alleged". Bron shot 33% through the first 5 Games while being guarded by Iggy idk what that % is after Game 6.

During the 2014 Finals while being guarded by Kawhi, Bron didn't do great but solid.

[SCdac]

In the last 3 games of the Finals, Kawhi Leonard averaged 24 ppg on a .69% clip, including ~3 offensive rebound per game, 2+ three's per game, and .84% from the FT line. Kawhi got it because he turned it on on both ends of the court, particularly at the end of the series (the deciding games).

[SHAQisGOAT]

Some players won FMVP playing great defense while not even being their team's (clear-cut) #1 option, for those Finals at least... Also playing great all-around though, let's not neglect that...

Wilt
Walton
DJ
Kawhi
Iggy
Unseld (Hayes should've gotten it though)

Russell would've won a lot on those "basis", if it was awarded back then.

[3ball]

28% beyond 5 feet. Atrocious shooting, thanks mostly to Iggy.


Iggy wasn't the reason for Lebron's 39.9% against Chicago and 43.8% against Atlanta.

Lebron's low FG% for the entire playoffs was due mostly to higher shot volume.

Also, Lebron isolated on 32.9% of his possessions in the playoffs, which led the NBA - naturally, his fg% on these isolations (33.1%) was the biggest factor driving his OVERALL fg%.. Btw, this is one of the ways we know MJ would've shot much better - his isolation ability was goat.

[Droid101]

Iggy wasn't the reason for Lebron's 39.9% against Chicago and 43.8% against Atlanta.


Which is probably why nobody from Chicago or Atlanta won FMVP.

[Heavincent]

iggy was givin' the award even though James avg. 31ppg against him


I'm so sick of shitheads like yourself parroting this nonsense.

Lebron shot 35% when guarded by Iguodala. How is that not shutting him down?

[tpols]

They don't care about great team defense.. they only care about defense when it's some man defender shutting down a star mano y mano because it's like a showdown and a story.. no one cares if kg holds opponents at the rim to 30% shooting, it's who did he shut down?!

That plus having pretty damn great offensive series for their standards is why kawhi and Iggy won.. no other superstar has had his shit jacked on both sides by one dude.. let alone twice.

[SpecialQue]

Btw, this is one of the ways we know MJ would've shot much better - his isolation ability was goat.

:facepalm

[3ball]

:facepalm
We know for a fact that Lebron isolated on 32.9% of his possessions in the playoffs, which was his most-used offensive attack.

Since Lebron isolated more than anything else, his horrible fg% on these isolations (33.1%) was the biggest factor driving his OVERALL fg%..

So obviously, MJ's far superior isolation fg% would've enabled a much better OVERALL fg%.

[WorldWarriors]

We know for a fact that Lebron isolated on 32.9% of his possessions in the playoffs, which was his most-used offensive attack.

Since Lebron isolated more than anything else, his horrible fg% on these isolations (33.1%) was the biggest factor driving his OVERALL fg%..

So obviously, MJ's far superior isolation fg% would've enabled a much better OVERALL fg%.

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[Asukal]

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3ball always finds a way to insert MJ into the discussion. Much like loseruss with wilt. :lol :roll: :oldlol:

[WorldWarriors]

3ball always finds a way to insert MJ into the discussion. Much like loseruss with wilt. :lol :roll: :oldlol:

LOL I have never seen anything like it.

[cltcfn2924]

Wilt averaged 127.6 ppg in the 1962 NBA Finals but Russell won the chip and FMVP


That's strange since the award was never given until 1969.

[Hittin_Shots]

LOL I have never seen anything like it.

It's ridiculous cz I think the original statement is good information, but then he makes you want to punch him by having to mention MJ in every post.

[SouBeachTalents]

That's strange since the award was never given until 1969.

You found that strange, but not the part about Wilt averaging 127 ppg?

[3ball]

http://media.giphy.com/media/eBgO9olXKudVK/giphy.gif
it's not complicated, and 100% factual

lebron's isolates more than anything else he does, so his isolation fg% was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%.

unfortunately, lebron is a horrible isolation player and shoots 33% on isolations - again, this was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%..

since isolation ability was the biggest factor driving lebron's overall fg%, we know MJ's vastly superior isolation ability would've had a much more positive effect on his overall fg%.

[Hittin_Shots]

it's not complicated, and 100% factual

lebron's isolates more than anything else he does, so his isolation fg% was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%.

unfortunately, lebron is a horrible isolation player and shoots 33% on isolations - again, this was the biggest factor driving his overall fg%..

since isolation ability was the biggest factor driving lebron's overall fg%, we know MJ's vastly superior isolation ability would've had a much more positive effect on his overall fg%.

Can you not see that there is entirely no reason for the paragraph about MJ... You aren't required to justify MJs ability in every post you make..

[pauk]

Based on only their defense?

None.

Based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question?

Bill Russell.

Based on partly their defense?

Bill Russell
Jerry West
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
John Havlicek
Bill Walton
Dennis Johnson
Moses Malone
Joe Dumars
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

[SpanishACB]

they're basically making up for the Kobe/Gasol fiasco.

Now it actually goes to be player that has most impact in the finals, and not the one who takes more shots.

[GimmeThat]

Based on only their defense?

None.

Based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question?

Bill Russell.

Based on partly their defense?

Bill Russell
Jerry West
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
John Havlicek
Bill Walton
Dennis Johnson
Moses Malone
Joe Dumars
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala


summarization.

you can't win the award being a strictly defensive player, without also being a genius on the offensive end.

now go define what limited offensive ability means

[SHAQisGOAT]

Based on only their defense?

None.

Based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question?

Bill Russell.

Based on partly their defense?

Bill Russell
Jerry West
Willis Reed
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
John Havlicek
Bill Walton
Dennis Johnson
Moses Malone
Joe Dumars
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

Just so you know, Bill Russell averaged 16.6/24.6/4.5 for ALL of his Finals combined, that's 12 series, would've won FMVP in like 7 of them...
Tremendous defense always, as well known, but also great all-around play.

If anything "based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question" would be Wes Unseld in '78 (mostly m2m D)... While he still had a great Finals in terms of rebounding and passing. And, still, the true FMVP was Elvin Hayes, much better than Unseld in terms of scoring, played better defense, even rebounded at the same rate...

And what does it mean based partly on their defense? :rolleyes: Only those guys? :rolleyes: Every player that has ever won FMVP and played at least solid defense ofc won it partly for their D.

Shit, you got those guys there but...

Where the **** is Shaq? Dude was making all-defensive teams around the time he won his FMVP's, playing very good D as the anchoring center, averaging around 3 BPG's in those Finals...

Where the **** is Bird? Made all-defensive in '84 (and should've had plenty more in his career tbh), had the best DRtg in the '86 Finals, led Boston in DWS for the '84 and '86 Playoffs, very good defensive impact during those days, team was much better defensively with him on the floor, their best team defender. Led the league in DWS in '84 and '86, 2nd and 4th in DRtg respectively.

Prime D-Wade played some very good defense... Where's Billups for that matter?

:rolleyes: :facepalm

Again...


Some players won FMVP playing great defense while not even being their team's (clear-cut) #1 option, for those Finals at least... Also playing great all-around though, let's not neglect that...

Wilt
Walton
DJ
Kawhi
Iggy
Unseld (Hayes should've gotten it though)

Russell would've won a lot on those "basis", if it was awarded back then.

[GimmeThat]

Just so you know, Bill Russell averaged 16.6/24.6/4.5 for ALL of his Finals combined, that's 12 series, would've won FMVP in like 7 of them...
Tremendous defense always, as well known, but also great all-around play.

If anything "based on mostly their defense / closest one to the above question" would be Wes Unseld in '78 (mostly m2m D)... While he still had a great Finals in terms of rebounding and passing. And, still, the true FMVP was Elvin Hayes, much better than Unseld in terms of scoring, played better defense, even rebounded at the same rate...

And what does it mean based partly on their defense? :rolleyes: Only those guys? :rolleyes: Every player that has ever won FMVP and played at least solid defense ofc won it partly for their D.

Shit, you got those guys there but...

Where the **** is Shaq? Dude was making all-defensive teams around the time he won his FMVP's, playing very good D as the anchoring center, averaging around 3 BPG's in those Finals...

Where the **** is Bird? Made all-defensive in '84 (and should've had plenty more in his career tbh), had the best DRtg in the '86 Finals, led Boston in DWS for the '84 and '86 Playoffs, very good defensive impact during those days, team was much better defensively with him on the floor, their best team defender. Led the league in DWS in '84 and '86, 2nd and 4th in DRtg respectively.

Prime D-Wade played some very good defense... Where's Billups for that matter?

:rolleyes: :facepalm

Again...




And if we were to have an open discussion about why Wilt the Great actually won 2 championships. I think the term that boils down to it, is no longer "playoff" but "final"

Conventional wisdom says that even if you ARE in the playoff, you ought to play every game as if it is the last game of your season, because if you lose, then your season is over. But do teams/players truly tone out the reality that other teams and players continue to move forward, regardless of your own fairy tale story?

the finals, where, there will be no games played after this one. And to be the most valuable at that.


my question is really that, how could a team actually go 72-10 in the regular season.

[TheMan]

3ball always finds a way to insert MJ into the discussion. Much like loseruss with wilt. :lol :roll: :oldlol:
This, I'm a MJ fan and I cringe whenever 3ball mentions MJ when the thread doesn't have anything to do with him. Reeks of insecurity even though everyone know MJ > LBJ :facepalm

[WorldWarriors]

Iggy won not only because of his defense, he won it because he came off the bench and changed the entire tone of the series. He not only defended Lebron but he was able to make the plays the other players couldn't when Curry was double teamed.

[SpecialQue]

3ball always finds a way to insert MJ into the discussion. Much like loseruss with wilt. :lol :roll: :oldlol:

3ball is much, much worse than Lazeruss, as I've seen Lazeruss post about other players, like Magic, without once having to bring up Wilt. I'm not going to comb through every post this idiot has made, but there's probably no more than a couple of 3ball posts that don't somehow cram MJ in.

[3ball]

Can you not see that there is entirely no reason for the paragraph about MJ...


MJ is relevant because the skill he's best known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor driving down Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs..

The fact that iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG% gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in these playoffs, since his iso ability was goat..

If something ELSE had held Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, which was MJ's strongest area and something he was the very best at.
.

[3ball]

but there's probably no more than a couple of 3ball posts that don't somehow cram MJ in.


Again, MJ is relevant because the skill he's best known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor driving down Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs..

We know isolation ability drove Lebron's overall fg% because Lebron isolated on 32.9% of his posssessions, more than anything else Lebron does - this frequency was also highest in the NBA - naturally, his league-worst 33% FG on these isolations hurt his FG% more than anything else.

The fact that iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in these playoffs, since his iso ability was goat..

If something ELSE had held Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, which was MJ's strongest area and something he was the very best at.
.

[SpecialQue]

Again, MJ is relevant because the skill he's best known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor driving down Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs..

The stats prove isolation ability was the biggest factor because Lebron isolated on 32.9% of his posssessions, more than anything else Lebron does - this frequency was also highest in the NBA - naturally, his league-worst 33% FG on these isolations hurt his FG% more than anything else.

The fact that iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG% gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in these playoffs, since his iso ability was goat..

If something ELSE had held Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, which was MJ's strongest area and something he was the very best at.
.

Stop repeating yourself you fvcking OCD chimp. I already saw your last post.

[WorldWarriors]

But why are you getting mad that I included MJ in the first place?

It's obviously relevant.. The skill MJ is best-known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor that reduced Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs.

If something ELSE had held Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.

The fact that iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG% gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in these playoffs, since his iso ability was goat.
.


But nobody is questioning MJ's effectiveness in ISOs. Lebron is not MJ. Most people will concede that MJ is the GOAT.

You are obsessed with proving arguments that don't exist. I'm thinking (and I could be wrong) but the media comparisons between Lebron and MJ really ticked you off. That's why you are so hell bent on never letting anyone forget that MJ is GOAT when its not even necessary. I do agree they should have never happened but then again that's what hype is and it keeps the bills paid.

Lebron is Lebron. People are here discussing his struggles in the present day and time which have nothing at all to do with what MJ did way back when.

[3ball]

I'm thinking (and I could be wrong) but the media comparisons between Lebron and MJ really ticked you off. That's why you are so hell bent on never letting anyone forget that MJ is GOAT when its not even necessary. I do agree they should have never happened but then again that's what hype is and it keeps the bills paid.

People are here discussing Lebron's struggles in the present day and time which have nothing at all to do with what MJ did way back when.


This is where you're wrong - MJ is relevant because of everything you just said - the media mischaracterized Lebron as being on MJ's level, and each time Lebron comes up short, it becomes more evident that he isn't.

In this particular discussion, the skill that MJ is best-known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor that reduced Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs.

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.
.

[Nuff Said]

Just because mj is superior doesn't mean he has anything to do with lebron. And, watch this...I believe KD has a better iso skill set than Jordan ever had. Booyah!

[3ball]

Just because mj is superior doesn't mean he has anything to do with lebron. And, watch this...I believe KD has a better iso skill set than Jordan ever had. Booyah!
no post game... no strength in the paint.. not a powerful inside player.

clippers got away with defending him with cp3.

durant isn't close to mj either (although he's a much better 1-on-1 and iso player than Lebron - Lebron's 33% FG on isolations is truly embarassing, especially considering he was never double-teamed and enjoyed the most secluded isolations, literally in history).

[Sakkreth]

Which is probably why nobody from Chicago or Atlanta won FMVP.

No, it's because Chicago and Atlanta wasn't as stacked as GSW and they played vs healthier Cavs than GSW.

[ClipperRevival]

Just because mj is superior doesn't mean he has anything to do with lebron. And, watch this...I believe KD has a better iso skill set than Jordan ever had. Booyah!

:facepalm

[Hittin_Shots]

they're basically making up for the Kobe/Gasol fiasco.

Now it actually goes to be player that has most impact in the finals, and not the one who takes more shots.

Curry had a huge impact on the defense Cavs played making iggy look better though

[dontgetchoked]

lmfao, this 3ball guy is either insane, or he is at home laughing his ass off. you dont even have to be talking about basketball and dude will somehow bring up jordan :lol

inb4 he quotes my post and tells us how great mj was on defense

[riseagainst]

lmfao, this 3ball guy is either insane, or he is at home laughing his ass off. you dont even have to be talking about basketball and dude will somehow bring up jordan :lol

inb4 he quotes my post and tells us how great mj was on defense


This is where you're wrong - MJ is relevant because of everything you just said - the media mischaracterized Lebron as being on MJ's level, and each time Lebron comes up short, it becomes more evident that he isn't.

In this particular discussion, the skill that MJ is best-known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor that reduced Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs.

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.

[riseagainst]

This is where you're wrong - MJ is relevant because of everything you just said - the media mischaracterized Lebron as being on MJ's level, and each time Lebron comes up short, it becomes more evident that he isn't.

In this particular discussion, the skill that MJ is best-known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor that reduced Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs.

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.


:biggums:

this 3ball guy is insane.

:roll:

[jlip]

This is where you're wrong - MJ is relevant because of everything you just said - the media mischaracterized Lebron as being on MJ's level, and each time Lebron comes up short, it becomes more evident that he isn't.

In this particular discussion, the skill that MJ is best-known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor that reduced Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs.

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.



:biggums:

this 3ball guy is insane.

:roll:


Ummmm... You do realize you just quoted your own post. Are you 3ball and just forgot to log out as riseagainst?

[GreggPopazit]

This is where you're wrong - MJ is relevant because of everything you just said - the media mischaracterized Lebron as being on MJ's level, and each time Lebron comes up short, it becomes more evident that he isn't.

In this particular discussion, the skill that MJ is best-known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor that reduced Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs.

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.

Did riseagainst just out himself as 3ball? :biggums:

[SpecialQue]

Ummmm... You do realize you just quoted your own post. Are you 3ball and just forgot to log out as riseagainst?

Exposed. :lebronamazed:

[riseagainst]

shlt.....

[SpecialQue]

shlt.....

You had a good run. :cheers:

[WorldWarriors]

:roll: :roll:

Bravo:applause:

And big ups to the fella that caught it.

:rockon:

[3ball]

:roll: :roll:

Bravo:applause:

And big ups to the fella that caught it.

:rockon:
:rolleyes:

Hello Special Que, World Warriors and riseagainst - all the same person..

[WorldWarriors]

shlt.....


Awesome.

[3ball]

Stop repeating yourself you fvcking OCD chimp. I already saw your last post.



The stats show Lebron is a below-average 1-on-1 player and isolator and the eyetest backs that up - he couldn't take advantage of his many secluded isolations because he didn't have the burst to blow by Iggy, or the repertoire to create space :


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif



Otoh, MJ had the burst to blow by Rodman in the exact same spot:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-15-2015/Gqsz_a.gif



And the repertoire to break him and create space as needed:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-08-2015/nS2JFx.gif


Again - isolation ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, which gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since MJ's iso ability was goat.

[riseagainst]

:rolleyes:

Hello Special Que, World Warriors and riseagainst - all the same person..

:(

[ShawkFactory]

The stats show Lebron is a below-average 1-on-1 player and isolator and the eyetest backs that up - he couldn't take advantage of his many secluded isolations because he didn't have the burst to blow by Iggy, or the repertoire to create space :


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif



Otoh, MJ had the burst to blow by Rodman in the exact same spot:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-15-2015/Gqsz_a.gif



And the repertoire to break him and create space as needed:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-08-2015/nS2JFx.gif


Again - isolation ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, which gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since MJ's iso ability was goat.
What is the point of this?

[WorldWarriors]

:rolleyes:

Hello Special Que, World Warriors and riseagainst - all the same person..

I aint gonna lie. I was really hoping that was you and we'd be done with all this.

[3ball]

What is the point of this?


That's just a visual demonstration of MJ's superior isolation ability - MJ destroys Rodman easily, while Lebron bumbles and stumbles against Iggy in the exact same spot.

Why is that relevant?.. Because we know isolation ability was the biggest factor driving Lebron's overall fg% - Lebron isolated on 32.9% of his possessions, more than anything else he does (but only shot 33% on them).

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.. That's why it's relevant that MJ easily glides past Rodman while Lebron huffs and puffs against Iggy.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But iso ability was the biggest factor, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.

[ShawkFactory]

That's just a visual demonstration of MJ's superior isolation ability - MJ destroys Rodman easily, while Lebron bumbles and stumbles against Iggy in the exact same spot.

Why is that relevant?.. Because we know isolation ability was the biggest factor driving Lebron's overall fg% - Lebron isolated on 32.9% of his possessions, more than anything else he does (but only shot 33% on them).

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.. That's why it's relevant that MJ easily glides past Rodman while Lebron huffs and puffs against Iggy.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But iso ability was the biggest factor, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.
Tl;dr

Again, what is the point of this?

[3ball]

Again, what is the point of this?


The biggest factor driving Lebron's low FG% in the playoffs was isolation ability, since isolations are what Lebron does most often (but only shoots 33% on them).

Since isolation ability was the biggest factor that caused Lebron's low FG%, we know MJ would've shot much better in the same spots, since MJ is the GOAT isolator.

[FKAri]

The biggest factor driving Lebron's low FG% in the playoffs was isolation ability, since isolations are what Lebron does most often (but only shoots 33% on them).

Since isolation ability was the biggest factor that caused Lebron's low FG%, we know MJ would've shot much better in the same spots, since MJ is the GOAT isolator.

But we already knew all this. Why do you need to make a thread every day stating it?

[ShawkFactory]

The biggest factor driving Lebron's low FG% in the playoffs was isolation ability, since isolations are what Lebron does most often (but only shoots 33% on them).

Since isolation ability was the biggest factor that caused Lebron's low FG%, we know MJ would've shot much better in the same spots, since MJ is the GOAT isolator.
I'm confused...did the OP (or anyone after that) mention how Jordan would have struggled?

[3ball]

:lol:

[brownmamba00]

This thread:roll:

[3ball]

The stats show Lebron is a below-average 1-on-1 player and isolator and the eyetest backs that up - he couldn't take advantage of his many secluded isolations because he didn't have the burst to blow by Iggy, or the repertoire to create space :


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif



Otoh, MJ had the burst to blow by Rodman in the exact same spot:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-15-2015/Gqsz_a.gif



And the repertoire to break him and create space as needed:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-08-2015/nS2JFx.gif


Again - isolation ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, which gives us proof that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since MJ's iso ability was goat.




I'm confused...did the OP (or anyone after that) mention how Jordan would have struggled?


Someone said that Lebron's poor efficiency in the Finals was due to Iggy.

So I said that Lebron shot just as badly against Chicago and Atlanta, proving his poor shooting wasn't due to Iggy...

It was due to his high shot volume, since that was the common thread in the three playoff series where Lebron shot poorly - Iggy only guarded him in 1 of those series, so his defense doesn't explain the poor efficiency in the other series.

So what was the biggest factor driving Lebron's poor shooting in the ENTIRE playoffs as a whole?... The biggest factor was isolation ability, since isolations are what Lebron does most often.. Obviously, this is where MJ comes in, since he was the GOAT isolator and would've shot better in the same spots (as shown with the Iggy vs. Rodman scenarios shown earlier)

[ShawkFactory]

Someone said that Lebron's poor efficiency in the Finals was due to Iggy.

So I said that Lebron shot just as badly against Chicago and Atlanta, proving his poor shooting wasn't due to Iggy...

It was due to his high shot volume, since that was the common thread in the three playoff series where Lebron shot poorly - Iggy only guarded him in 1 of those series, so his defense doesn't explain the poor efficiency in the other series.

So what was the biggest factor driving Lebron's poor shooting in the ENTIRE playoffs?... The biggest factor was isolation ability, since isolations are what Lebron does most often.. Obviously, this is where MJ comes in, since he was the GOAT isolator and would've shot better in the same spots (as shown with the Iggy vs. Rodman scenarios shown earlier)
MJ doesn't come in anywhere...

Unless you show posting traits that would put you solidly on the autism spectrum. Understand human interaction.

[Droid101]

I have read some of Mr. 3ball's palaverous polemics. While I disagree with much of their content, I do not intend to attack 3ball's opinions, only to offer my own viewpoints. Before I say anything else, I'd like to state the following disclaimer for 3ball's benefit: Warning! This post may contain sarcasm. Okay, now that that's taken care of, let me posit the hypothesis that when one examines the ramifications of letting 3ball reward mediocrity, one finds a preponderance of evidence leading to the conclusion that his shady business deals are designed to enrich him while addressing what is, in the end, a nonexistent problem. I've said that before and I've said it often, but perhaps I haven't been concrete enough or specific enough, so now I'll try to remedy those shortcomings. I'll try to be a lot more specific and concrete when I explain that he is secretly planning to drive us into insolvency. I realize that that may sound rather conspiratorial and far-fetched to most people, which is why you need to understand that 3ball will do everything in his power to paralyze needed efforts to attack his malice and hypocrisy. No wonder corruption is endemic to our society; too many superficial spalpeens out there are looking for the quick and easy fix, for a great savior who will make it all right again so they can go back to sleep. They gather at the foot of the mount to herald the coming of 3ball and neglect to notice that before 3ball initiated a racialism flap to help promote his callow, conniving obiter dicta, people everywhere were expected to struggle unceasingly against his unremitting stream of cacodoxies and slander. Nowadays, it's the rare person indeed who realizes that 3ball has not yet been successful at authorizing, promoting, celebrating, and legitimizing dishonest hooliganism. Still, give him some time, and I'm sure he'll figure out how to do something at least that nasty, probably more so. In any event, 3ball acts as if he were King of the World. This hauteur is astonishing, staggering, and mind-boggling.


A leopard can't change its spots. No wonder that 3ball has been precipitating riots. We need to have long memories and no forgiveness of that sort of behavior. Instead, we must dispense justice.


3ball recently began spreading hatred, animosity, and divisiveness. Once again, he has made a mockery of his pledge not to be so voluble. It's too bad that 3ball lacks the decency to admit that I feel that writing this post is like celestial navigation. Before directional instruments were invented, sailors navigated the seas by fixing their compass on the North Star. However, if 3ball were to trick them into fixing their compass on the wrong star they'd soon be so off-course that they'd actually be willing to help him empty the meaning of such concepts as “self,” “justice,” “freedom,” and other profundities. Okay, there's no reason for me to be insecure, so I'll leave you with this concept: Mr. 3ball's backers' minds are tabulae rasae that he can fill with all sorts of intellectually challenged, oppugnant ideas about blackguardism.

[kennethgriffin]

kobe 2010


6 for 24 didnt win him fmvp

the 15 rebounds and holding pierce/allen to 8 for 29 did

[Hey Yo]

Otoh, MJ had the burst to blow by Rodman in the exact same spot:
Maybe because Mike was smaller and quicker than LeBron? Plus adding that he didn't nearly have the miles and wasn't MJ's 5th consecutive Finals appearance in the gif.

btw....showing MJ attack cement footed James Edwards isn't really that impressive.

[jlip]

Mods, it's time to perma ban 3ball. It appears that in posts 42-48 he has been exposed as a trolling alt of riseagainst.

[HylianNightmare]

Some players won FMVP playing great defense while not even being their team's (clear-cut) #1 option, for those Finals at least... Also playing great all-around though, let's not neglect that...

Wilt
Walton
DJ
Kawhi
Iggy
Unseld (Hayes should've gotten it though)

Russell would've won a lot on those "basis", if it was awarded back then.


Thanks for actually answering

[3ball]

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btw....showing MJ attack cement footed James Edwards isn't really that impressive.



:rolleyes:

I see you skipped the part where MJ blows by the back-to-back DPOY and smashes over Isiah and Salley

Notice that MJ got by Rodman with a simple head-fake there, because MJ's jumper was so deadly and he was so fundamentally sound that his first instinct there is to head-fake..

Otoh, Lebron literally doesn't use head fakes AT ALL (not sure if it's related to his lack of jumper).. True story... So Lebron would've failed to get past Rodman in that spot, just like he did against Iggy so many times.

[Hey Yo]

:rolleyes:

I see you skipped the part where MJ blows by the back-to-back DPOY and smashes over Isiah and Salley

Notice that MJ got by Rodman with a simple head-fake there, because MJ's jumper was so deadly and he was so fundamentally sound that his first instinct there is to head-fake..

Otoh, Lebron literally doesn't use head fakes AT ALL (not sure if it's related to his lack of jumper).. True story... So Lebron would've failed to get past Rodman in that spot, just like he did against Iggy so many times.
MJ's head never moved.

Mike was smaller and quicker than LeBron. Plus adding that he didn't nearly have the miles and it wasn't MJ's 5th consecutive Finals appearance in the gif.

btw....showing MJ attack cement footed James Edwards isn't really that impressive.