John Wall:

[Parps]

Two years ago, John Wall signed a five-year, $80 million extension with the Wizards. It was the max he could sign for, and as the Wizards

[Fowl]

I seriously dislike John Wall. I understand hes mad he could of gotten more money but hes just the type of person who feels like hes always entitled to something.

Kind of like LeBron James.. without the skill.

[Thunderfan86]

The salt is real

[KNOW1EDGE]

Yes, I feel so incredibly bad for John Wall.

What an unfair and horrible life John Wall lives.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Holy shit John Wall is officially moved to Alpha

first turning around one of the shittiest organizations in the L, always stepping up in the playoffs, and always taking shots at the east competition (see the shade he threw at Dion Waiters)

[imnew09]

Charles Barkley and many legends back then get way lesser money.

John wall is a btch

[TheMarkMadsen]

and Steph Curry is making significantly less than both of you

STFU and win some playoff games

[Nash]

lol at john wall, last year he made 5m less than lebron and 3 less than KD. If he wants to talk fair, he should be nowhere near those guys in terms of money.

[Parps]

probably would have made the all-star team in the Leastern conference...

[Legends66NBA7]

Rodney Stuckey and Lou Williams both got 3 year $21 million dollar contracts this off season.

[Clyde]

and Steph Curry is making significantly less than both of you

STFU and win some playoff games

They did win some playoff games.....probably would have been in the ECF if he didn't break his hand

[ShawkFactory]

He should go on welfare. What a rough life

[plowking]

I'm a John Wall fan, but dude, you put a ball in a hoop, and get paid $80 mil to do it. I dunno, but in my opinion, you're getting a good deal.

That is life. People who aren't as good as you at your job get paid more at times.

[TripleA]

They did win some playoff games.....probably would have been in the ECF if he didn't break his hand

:lol the haters coming out to play. what's next Collin cowherd

[QuebecBaller]

Magic Johnson signed a 25-year contract for $1 million a year

[TripleA]

John wall took the most inept franchise since the clippers to the playoffs and guys calling him selfish and a bum.:lol

[KiiiiNG]

This dude basically emasculated Reggie Jackson in front of the whole world. :lol

"I'm getting the same as reggie jackson" :eek: ****ing ether.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QT-POYnvjk

John Wall = J Cole

Jackson = Diggy

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Reggies contract is one of the 5 worst in the league, and Kanter just joined him

[SCdac]

I hope Reggie Jackson dunks on him or crosses him up real bad now :oldlol:

edit: but I do think he's got a point. just got a huge ego also

[bigkingsfan]

Reggie Jackson should reply with the dougie.

[Fowl]

John Wall would be the most hated player in the league if he was better.

[Pushxx]

lol at john wall, last year he made 5m less than lebron and 3 less than KD. If he wants to talk fair, he should be nowhere near those guys in terms of money.

Well said. Players don't get paid what they actually deserve linearly compared to the rest of the talent in the league.

[TripleA]

John wall flexin on these haters.:rockon:

[tontoz]

Wall irritates me when he says stuff like this. Some of his comments are the typical 'mouth writing checks that his game can't cash'.

He shouldn't be commenting publicly on other players' contracts. Period.

[ralph_i_el]

He has a point.
Oh well, he should have had a better agent.

[oh the horror]

Oh the humanity! 80 MILLION DOLLARS! How will he live??

[PejaNowitzki]

Tough shit, don't sign a long term contract and then walking around with a sandy ****** a couple years into it because someone got more money than you did.


Go on a series of one year contracts if its that important to you to get paid more than everyone else.

[Lebron23]

Tough shit, don't sign a long term contract and then walking around with a sandy ****** a couple years into it because someone got more money than you did.


Go on a series of one year contracts if its that important to you to get paid more than everyone else.


Smart move by LeBron.

[Kobe_6/8]

Alpha. True alphas like MJ/Kobe/Goatbrook never sugercoat anything. I'm excited to see if Jackson has something to say when the Pistons-Wizards play.

I don't blame John Wall for complaining that he makes the same as Reggie Jackson. Is he supposed to be happy about it?

[tontoz]

For most of his career Jordan wasn't even close to the highest paid player in the league and never said anything about it publicly.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wizards/Pistons games should be pretty fun now :rockon:

[rmt]

Tough shit, don't sign a long term contract and then walking around with a sandy ****** a couple years into it because someone got more money than you did.


Go on a series of one year contracts if its that important to you to get paid more than everyone else.

Exactly. He wanted the security of a long-term deal - now you're locked in. And it's so unprofessional of him to single out someone by name. Look it's called capitalism/free market - Reggie is perfectly in his right to get the best possible deal he can.

Stop whining and be grateful to all those who came before you that built up this game and allowed you to be secure for life.

[IGOTGAME]

For most of his career Jordan wasn't even close to the highest paid player in the league and never said anything about it publicly.
Yes he did

[IGOTGAME]

Exactly. He wanted the security of a long-term deal - now you're locked in. And it's so unprofessional of him to single out someone by name. Look it's called capitalism/free market - Reggie is perfectly in his right to get the best possible deal he can.

Stop whining and be grateful to all those who came before you that built up this game and allowed you to be secure for life.

This NBA is the opposite of a free market.

[Akrazotile]

This NBA is the opposite of a free market.


No it isnt.

The government doesnt intervene and coerce either side.

This is between labor and management. They negotiate terms between the two side and everyone has to live with it.

If the top players dont like having their salaries reigned in as a concession to the owners so that Eddy Curry and Baron Davis can get fully guaranteed deals to sit on their ass for half their contract, then the top players should move to dissolve the union. It hurts them more than it helps them.

Free market refers to a lack of government intervention. It doesnt mean labor gets whatever it asks for.

[IGOTGAME]

No it isnt.

The government doesnt intervene and coerce either side.

This is between labor and management. They negotiate terms between the two side and everyone has to live with it.

If the top players dont like having their salaries reigned in as a concession to the owners so that Eddy Curry and Baron Davis can get fully guaranteed deals to sit on their ass for half their contract, then the top players should move to dissolve the union. It hurts them more than it helps them.

Free market refers to a lack of government intervention. It doesnt mean labor gets whatever it asks for.

We don't have a true free market in America to begin with.

John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...

[rmt]

This NBA is the opposite of a free market.

So how does a player like Corey Joseph get $30/4 years? It restrains the top players who comparatively don't get their "value" but they make it up with endorsements (also capitalism/free market). If the players don't like it, then get other union representatives when you go to the bargaining table with the owners.

[IGOTGAME]

So how does a player like Corey Joseph get $30/4 years? It restrains the top players who comparatively don't get their "value" but they make it up with endorsements (also capitalism/free market). If the players don't like it, then get other union representatives when you go to the bargaining table with the owners.

Nothing you said contradicts my statement.

When you have a a league full of nonprofits (NBA teams are non profit) who receive state funds to build arenas and don't pay taxes for long periods of time...then you don't have a free market.

[DeuceWallaces]

Maybe that dumbass shouldn't have signed a long term deal. Maybe his agent can explain how the cap works before his next contract.

[HylianNightmare]

Reggie Jackson doesn't have his own shoe brining in that extra income

[Akrazotile]

We don't have a true free market in America to begin with.

John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...


Well, the owners havent done anything to my knowledge to purposely block the creation of a competing basketball league. They simply run the league they own, it's wildly popular, and anyone who wishes to pursue basketball as a lucrative career in America can either try to start their own league or play in the NBA for however many millions they can negotiate within the window outlined by the agreement the union and owners bargained.

The top players only "support" the union bc they feel like they have to and they dont want their peers pissed off at them. Ideally players like Lebron and Durant SHOULD be making 60 million a year, and players like Jerome James SHOULD NOT be have a fully guaranteed contract getting passed around from team to team while he provides them nothing of value on the court.

But the union leverages the power of its best performers, as all unions do, to make sure the weakest performers are over-compensated. Thats how unions work, thats how socialism works.

People as usual are trying to spin this as a class and even a covert racial injustice those big meanie billionaire owners are perpetrating, but the reality is those black ball players make more than the vast majority of all americans, white, black, yellow, of brown. But they are bound by terms their labor reps agree to, and those terms shift some of Kobe and CP3's value over to Shannon Brown and Matt Bonner.

It's not owner collusion, it's not unfair business practice, it's collectivism. Thats just what happens.

[rmt]

We don't have a true free market in America to begin with.

John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...

Well, if the government would get out of the way, we would. Look at lasik surgery - no government intervention - lots of competition and prices WAY down.

Wall should thank his lucky stars everyday that there is the NBA and a means to earn millions of dollars for putting a ball through a hoop. Where else but in the US can someone rise from poverty to millionaire status by playing basketball? Cry me a river.

[rmt]

Nothing you said contradicts my statement.

When you have a a league full of nonprofits (NBA teams are non profit) who receive state funds to build arenas and don't pay taxes for long periods of time...then you don't have a free market.

So you think that Cuban and Holt and all the other owners are risking millions of dollars for the goodness of their heart and not for profit? I don't think it's state money that builds arenas but local (meaning city/county) bonds. They do that to attract business - restaurants, hotels, transportation, etc. that will benefit from the basketball games.

[PejaNowitzki]

Nothing you said contradicts my statement.

When you have a a league full of nonprofits (NBA teams are non profit) who receive state funds to build arenas and don't pay taxes for long periods of time...then you don't have a free market.


:wtf:

Show me exactly where you think it says that NBA teams are non profits.


The NBA as a league has NEVER been tax exempt, let alone the teams. Even with the NFL, while the league was regarded as a non-profit(it gave it up this year), the teams that comprise the league and all its revenue paid taxes on their earnings.


Neither the NBA, MLB, the NHL or the NFL are tax exempt, nor are any of the teams, so can we put this bit of nonsensical bro-truth to bed please.

[PejaNowitzki]

We don't have a true free market in America to begin with.

John Wall individually has no option but to play for the NBA or leave his home country if he decides to play basketball. The NBA has a monopoly on big time professional basketball in the United States ...



Nothing to stop a competing league from developing if they think they can provide a better product. Vince McMahon tried that with the XFL in competition with the NFL, didn't work out for him but the opportunity was there.

[rmt]

Well, the owners havent done anything to my knowledge to purposely block the creation of a competing basketball league. They simply run the league they own, it's wildly popular, and anyone who wishes to pursue basketball as a lucrative career in America can either try to start their own league or play in the NBA for however many millions they can negotiate within the window outlined by the agreement the union and owners bargained.

The top players only "support" the union bc they feel like they have to and they dont want their peers pissed off at them. Ideally players like Lebron and Durant SHOULD be making 60 million a year, and players like Jerome James SHOULD NOT be have a fully guaranteed contract getting passed around from team to team while he provides them nothing of value on the court.

But the union leverages the power of its best performers, as all unions do, to make sure the weakest performers are over-compensated. Thats how unions work, thats how socialism works.

People as usual are trying to spin this as a class and even a covert racial injustice those big meanie billionaire owners are perpetrating, but the reality is those black ball players make more than the vast majority of all americans, white, black, yellow, of brown. But they are bound by terms their labor reps agree to, and those terms shift some of Kobe and CP3's value over to Shannon Brown and Matt Bonner.

It's not owner collusion, it's not unfair business practice, it's collectivism. Thats just what happens.

Yep. That's the trend in the US - don't reward excellence like Lebron James (relatively) - re-distribute wealth - bring up the lowest denominator. Thank God they haven't done affirmative action in the NBA - can you imagine if they wanted the NBA to be representative of the population (only 12% black) - we wouldn't get to see the best basketball players in the world.

[Akrazotile]

Yep. That's the trend in the US - don't reward excellence like Lebron James (relatively) - re-distribute wealth - bring up the lowest denominator. Thank God they haven't done affirmative action in the NBA - can you imagine if they wanted the NBA to be representative of the population (only 12% black) - we wouldn't get to see the best basketball players in the world.


It is funny how sports are now the only industry in America than can openly tout merit over diversity.

If a tech firm or a law practice or a bank claimed merit was more important than diversity, President Obama would probably hold a press conference to condemn them and John Oliver would produce an hour long expos

[plowking]

Just to add to this, Reggie Jackson is a very good player who has fallen into the pit of hate here on ISH for whatever reason. The dude can quite clearly play.

In fact he put up 18/9 during his time in Detroit, and that was during a mid season trade, a terrible shooting start and clearly in a situation where he still needs to adjust to life and teammates. Reggie is a up and comer and could be on or above Wall's level before he knows it. This coming from a Wall fan.

I think Reggie takes his game to the next level this season and does really well with these Pistons. They have some decent pieces there, and I think SVG being there long enough to impose his style will help too.

[TripleA]

Credit the collective bargaining agreement and the salary cap jumping to $70 million when it was reset a few days ago after the league's audit of finances from the 2014-15 season. The market, and basic supply and demand, and the NBA having a champion (Golden State Warriors) who won using small-ball lineups have made guards even more valuable. The Detroit Pistons rewarded Jackson accordingly.

"That's what happens," Wall said. "But I'm happy for all those guys. To see anybody get the opportunity to live their dream out, get the opportunity to take care of their family when they can, it's a blessing."

Haters leave this quote out conveniently.:lol
thread over

[Relinquish]

Wall wasn't even salty. OP taking what he said out of context. :facepalm

[TripleA]

Wall wasn't even salty. OP taking what he said out of context. :facepalm
lie sounds better than the truth.:lol

[Relinquish]

"That's what happens," Wall said. "But I'm happy for all those guys. To see anybody get the opportunity to live their dream out, get the opportunity to take care of their family when they can, it's a blessing."

Haters leave this quote out conveniently.:lol
thread over

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kevin-Garnett-Reaction-at-2013-Dunk-Contest.gif

People in this thread :facepalm

[TripleA]

Maybe that dumbass shouldn't have signed a long term deal. Maybe his agent can explain how the cap works before his next contract.

:facepalm

[bdreason]

I like John Wall, but he needs to stop talking... especially about other peoples money.

[Relinquish]

I like John Wall, but he needs to stop talking... especially about other peoples money.

OP left out the important part of the quote.

"That's what happens," Wall said. "But I'm happy for all those guys. To see anybody get the opportunity to live their dream out, get the opportunity to take care of their family when they can, it's a blessing."


Wall wasn't even salty.

[PejaNowitzki]

OP left out the important part of the quote.

"That's what happens," Wall said. "But I'm happy for all those guys. To see anybody get the opportunity to live their dream out, get the opportunity to take care of their family when they can, it's a blessing."


Wall wasn't even salty.



He wasn't salty because he threw in a backhanded compliment?




now you got people getting $85 million that haven’t made the All-Star (Game) or anything like that,





That new CBA kicked in and they’re good now. Reggie Jackson gets five years, $80 million. I’m getting the same as Reggie Jackson.”





Sounds kind of salty, otherwise why bring it up, or even moreso, bring up any specific player.


"F**k that guy, but hey, good for him."


The first part of what he said makes you completely doubt the sincerity of the second part of it. It all just comes off as kind of passive aggressive.

[TheBigVeto]

Holy shit John Wall is officially moved to Alpha



Lol no. He's just salty.

[No_Look604]

wrong thread

[pastis]

are human garbage poeple like wall thinking just 1 minute about the real life outside the nba? the average salary outside the nba? and now complaining? with his contract and sponsoring-deals? he is young, in a couple of years he will get his 145 mio deal.

just sad...just sad

[TripleA]

you know your good when you get hated for the stupidest things.:lol

[SyRyanYang]

IGOTGAME is one of the worst posters on ISH and should be banned. At least some trolls are funny:facepalm

[JerrySeinfeld]

Well, he has a point.

He's twice as good as Jackson and getting paid the same. That's crazy.

[Clifton]

John...

Here is my opinion of money. This is also the opinion of Plato, Aristotle, the authors of the Bible, and anyone else who has ever had any claim to wisdom. From the Eastern mystics to the holy men of the West. This is the wisdom shared by your youngest nephew and your oldest uncle. Here it is:

**** money.

The players have every bit as much of a right to be entrepreneurs as the owners do. But I don't have to respect them or admire them for it. It's better to be Mark Cuban than some money grubbing, boring owner who doesn't care about the game. It's better to sign a 25 year $25 mil deal than to constantly bleed your organization for as much cap space as you can manage.

[DeuceWallaces]

Credit the collective bargaining agreement and the salary cap jumping to $70 million when it was reset a few days ago after the league's audit of finances from the 2014-15 season. The market, and basic supply and demand, and the NBA having a champion (Golden State Warriors) who won using small-ball lineups have made guards even more valuable. The Detroit Pistons rewarded Jackson accordingly.

"That's what happens," Wall said. "But I'm happy for all those guys. To see anybody get the opportunity to live their dream out, get the opportunity to take care of their family when they can, it's a blessing."

Haters leave this quote out conveniently.:lol
thread over

That quote changes nothing. You sit there and trash a dude for 30 seconds and then say, "whatever, I'm happy for them"; that's just saving face and doesn't mean shit. :facepalm

[PP34Deuce]

Reggie Jackson has potential to be a 20 5 and 8 player. About what Wall is now.

Reggie Jackson is 6'3 200 pounds compared to Wall at 6'4 205
Reggie Jackson is 25 compared to 25 year old Wall.

I personally think an athletic 25 year old PG who plays big getting 70 million is not that bad. Wall is more talented but they are the same age and I feel Reggie is a little more hungry.

There was a quote where Paul Pierce talked about John Wall and stated he feels like Wall and Beal settle for being good.

[rmt]

[QUOTE=PP34Deuce]Reggie Jackson has potential to be a 20 5 and 8 player. About what Wall is now.

Reggie Jackson is 6'3 200 pounds compared to Wall at 6'4 205
Reggie Jackson is 25 compared to 25 year old Wall.

I personally think an athletic 25 year old PG who plays big getting 70 million is not that bad. Wall is more talented but they are the same age and I feel Reggie is a little more hungry.

There was a quote where Paul Pierce talked about John Wall and stated he feels like Wall and Beal settle for being good.

[imdaman99]

SHOTS FIRED :lebronamazed:

Can't wait to see Reggie Jackson shit on him when they play.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, it's totally insane for someone to be pissed that someone is mad that a lesser peer is getting paid the same. It looks silly because they are millionaires but it is the same dynamic as an accountant bitching that the lazy guy in the next cubicle is getting paid equally. Wall is only human.

[GreggPopazit]

I don't think it was necessary to call out another player. He could have left it vague and people would empathize a little bit, but instead this makes him look like a jerk.

[Smoke117]

Just to add to this, Reggie Jackson is a very good player who has fallen into the pit of hate here on ISH for whatever reason. The dude can quite clearly play.

In fact he put up 18/9 during his time in Detroit, and that was during a mid season trade, a terrible shooting start and clearly in a situation where he still needs to adjust to life and teammates. Reggie is a up and comer and could be on or above Wall's level before he knows it. This coming from a Wall fan.

I think Reggie takes his game to the next level this season and does really well with these Pistons. They have some decent pieces there, and I think SVG being there long enough to impose his style will help too.

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[SugarHill]

He wasn't salty because he threw in a backhanded compliment?










Sounds kind of salty, otherwise why bring it up, or even moreso, bring up any specific player.


"F**k that guy, but hey, good for him."


The first part of what he said makes you completely doubt the sincerity of the second part of it. It all just comes off as kind of passive aggressive.
Agreed completely. How can you say he's not salty? You don't even need to read between the lines. It's blatant.

[CTbasketball92]

you know your good when you get hated for the stupidest things.:lol


Come on. That was a totally classless/immature remark from John Wall. I would love for Jackson to beat him in their head to head matchup now.