Deron Williams to the Mavs

[StephHamann]

YEAH


http://www.mavs.com/mavs-find-their-quarterback-in-deron-williams/
























































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[uber]

well this could go either way

[pastis]

well, probably the best pg since kidd....but we thought the same about rondo:yaohappy:

[DirkNowitzki41]

dwill is only a three time all-star? :wtf: i thought it was like 5-6

[QuebecBaller]

Let's just hope that the change will be good for D-Will

[Mawly-G]

Let's just hope that he doesn't kill Rick Carlisle
FTFY

[MMM]

I dont know if this a good or bad thing for the Dallas and Brooklyn picks for 2016

I'm hoping Williams is disastrous for the mavs and they end up 8th -14th
but i also hope he is not addition by subtraction for the Nets

[UK2K]

Why.......?

[HylianNightmare]

Cheap at least

[wang4three]

Wish him the best. Hope he can revive his career

[Spaulding]

Wish him the best. Hope he can revive his career

My thoughts exactly. This is his last shot.

[FKAri]

Another washed up high profile PG. I don't think Deron has it left in him anymore. His injuries have made him a shell of his former self.

[Droid101]

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[UK2K]

But seriously.. why?

Mavs just went from a 38 win team to a 42 win team. For... what?

[Springsteen]

But seriously.. why?

Mavs just went from a 38 win team to a 42 win team. For... what?

Gotta keep dat pick.

[ImKobe]

Cuban doing his best to put a Playoff team around Dirk...it's a nice signing, D-Will can still ball, he needed a change.

[kentatm]

But seriously.. why?

Mavs just went from a 38 win team to a 42 win team. For... what?


b/c its better to try and fail to make the playoffs than it is to tank and still not get the pick.

the only way Dallas is guaranteed to keep the pick is if they finish bottom 4.

It would suuuuuuuuuck if they finished with the 5th worst record but then the ping pong balls drop the pick to 8.

[Nets fan 93]

Cuban doing his best to put a Playoff team around Dirk...it's a nice signing, D-Will can still ball, he needed a change.
The only thing that didn't change in Brooklyn every year was the fact it was Brooklyn. He would have new teammates, new coaches every year. I mean good luck to him. But he's gonna need more than "a change" to be better.

[el gringos]

Why did nets allow this? Do they avoid luxery tax?

[Jailblazers7]

The only thing that didn't change in Brooklyn every year was the fact it was Brooklyn. He would have new teammates, new coaches every year. I mean good luck to him. But he's gonna need more than "a change" to be better.

Too bad the new players and coaches sucked dick. I'm sure D-Will will do better with this change than what the Nets were providing.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Dumbass move

[Crown&Coke]

Why did nets allow this? Do they avoid luxery tax?

I think that was the rationale behind the move, Nets get below the luxury tax.

DWill gave up a good chunk of money. I think the Nets then stretched him to move the cap hit over 5 years (rather than 2.) But I'm not entirely certain

[IncarceratedBob]

But seriously.. why?

Mavs just went from a 38 win team to a 42 win team. For... what?
Lol D Will isn't a 4 win player, his VAR is more around 1.5-2.

[West-Side]

b/c its better to try and fail to make the playoffs than it is to tank and still not get the pick.

the only way Dallas is guaranteed to keep the pick is if they finish bottom 4.

It would suuuuuuuuuck if they finished with the 5th worst record but then the ping pong balls drop the pick to 8.

Exactly.
Fans think the owners that spend millions of dollars on players don't consider the revenue stream. These owners aren't just wasting their money so we can be entertained; they are trying to get a positive return on their investment. Would you tank and loss millions of dollars from ticket sales in the hopes of possibly getting a lottery pick??? That's a big ass gamble.

I'm sure D-Will will sell some tickets for Cuban this upcoming season.

[jzek]

He needs Jerry Sloan in order to be successful.

[Kvnzhangyay]

All 3 PGs have the same birthday :bowdown: :bowdown:

[knickballer]

I know some of you are bashing the signing because Dallas is a team stuck in transition but 2yrs/$10million for Williams is a great deal even if he's not the same player.

[SCdac]

the guys is such a shell of himself compared to his Utah days (which feels like a long time ago even though it's not), but I think it's good for both parties. He fits their system alot better than Rondo imo

[LoneyROY7]

Team wouldn't be looking too shabby with DJ at center.

:yaohappy:

[DMAVS41]

b/c its better to try and fail to make the playoffs than it is to tank and still not get the pick.

the only way Dallas is guaranteed to keep the pick is if they finish bottom 4.

It would suuuuuuuuuck if they finished with the 5th worst record but then the ping pong balls drop the pick to 8.

Yea...the 97 Spurs are really regretting their decision to win 20 games instead of 35 games.

:facepalm

Upside to making the playoffs? Get hammered in round 1 and build chemistry with a team that won't look remotely the same going forward (as is standard with the Mavs)

Upside to tanking? Get a franchise transforming player.

Downsides? Lose a chance a franchise changing player or miss out on getting swept in round 1.

Yea...what a tough risk/reward analysis

[pastis]

Yea...the 97 Spurs are really regretting their decision to win 20 games instead of 35 games.

:facepalm

Upside to making the playoffs? Get hammered in round 1 and build chemistry with a team that won't look remotely the same going forward (as is standard with the Mavs)

Upside to tanking? Get a franchise transforming player.

Downsides? Lose a chance a franchise changing player or miss out on getting swept in round 1.

Yea...what a tough risk/reward analysis


the thing is: mavs with cuban donnie cant draft players.nor can they do good trades on a consistent level. no they just cant. at least since 1998. let harris-type of players away in this discussion
saying that....is there any really future-all-nba type of prospect out there the next years? type of wall/irving? wiggins, lavine, russel, randle...im not sure about this... and this years draft was already hyped...
if your lucky you get a DMC-type of player

rebuilding takes often like 5 years...tanking, getting 2 top proespects, waiting another 2 years until prospects develop and then attracting some top FAs.....
i really dont know if cuban wanna get through this circle

[boozehound]

Team wouldn't be looking too shabby with DJ at center.

:yaohappy:
zaza is going to game 7! Thats all Im telling you. This dude is legit if not awesome and will be great for many things on this team. They do still need an above the rim big.....

[DMAVS41]

the thing is: mavs with cuban donnie cant draft players. no they just cant. at least since 1998.
saying that....is there any really future-all-nba type of prospect out there the next years? type of wall/irving? wiggins, lavine, russel, randle...im not sure about these and this years draft was already hyped...
if your lucky you get a DMC-type of player

rebuilding takes often like 5 years...tanking, getting 2 top proespects, waiting another 2 years until prospects develop and then attracting some top FAs.....
i really dont know if cuban wanna get through this circle


it's not limited to just drafting a player.

I personally think Simmons will be a stud, but it's way more than that.

It's developing young players.

I wouldn't mind this strategy if we had a team that could grow together, but we don't. All this means is that guys like Anderson and Powell won't see a lot of time.

It means we'll rush back Parons and Wes and make Dirk play back to backs...etc.

All for what? Best case scenario is lose a 5 game playoff series in round 1 most likely.

Also, there aren't many bad teams this year. It would be much easier to finish in the bottom 3 this year than it has been in the past. If we held out Wes and Parsons for a while and played Dirk sparingly...what teams are worse?

We could easily get into that bottom 3.

I just don't see the benefit....and if it's just about giving Dirk a competitive team...then don't mortgage your entire franchise on Chandler Parson's ability to recruit a guy away form a much better team.

Also, why would it take 5 years? We have a solid team in place. You add two legit free agents to this team next summer, get a good young rookie, and Dirk signs back on...it's a playoff team for sure.

So it wouldn't take 5 years at all. It's about what to do this year given the circumstances of an incredibly loaded conference with hurt players, aging players, and a completely overhauled roster. What should you do with that given the cap increase coming and likelihood you do anything in the coming season?

Yea, it would suck if we tanked and lost the pick. You know what else would suck? Not tanking and missing the playoffs and giving up the pick....combined with Wes or Parsons getting hurt from playing too many games/minutes before they really should be back on the court.

[pastis]

it's not limited to just drafting a player.

I personally think Simmons will be a stud, but it's way more than that.

It's developing young players.

I wouldn't mind this strategy if we had a team that could grow together, but we don't. All this means is that guys like Anderson and Powell won't see a lot of time.

It means we'll rush back Parons and Wes and make Dirk play back to backs...etc.

All for what? Best case scenario is lose a 5 game playoff series in round 1 most likely.

Also, there aren't many bad teams this year. It would be much easier to finish in the bottom 3 this year than it has been in the past. If we held out Wes and Parsons for a while and played Dirk sparingly...what teams are worse?

We could easily get into that bottom 3.

I just don't see the benefit....and if it's just about giving Dirk a competitive team...then don't mortgage your entire franchise on Chandler Parson's ability to recruit a guy away form a much better team.

you are right. best case would be 8th seed and losing 4:0 or 4:1.... but with Dirk we wont tank. not his last year, im not even sure if he takes his option if this year is gonna be a nightmare.

and regarding developping young players: carlise cant. he just cant. he is limited in that area. call me crazy, but i think the waive of beaubois and dominique jones were just an awful decision. i remember how brilliant beaubois was in a playoff series, but carlise just ignored him consistently.

saying this....if you have such a mediroce to bad roster like the mavs have....and if your goal is reaching the 8th spot...even if its unlikley.....young players wont have much playing time with nearly every coach...and even less playing time wiht carlise


You add two legit free agents to this team next summer,
well we all know that this just doesnt work for the mavs. didnt work for LMA, for Lebron, Dwight, even D-will....Dallas has to accept that they wont attract the super stars....kidd came just because of Dirk...some other mediocre players as well....dallas has to accept that they either draft a future franchise-calibre player or....just embracing that no super star will eb traded or sign with dallas

[hangintheair]

All 3 PGs have the same birthday :bowdown: :bowdown:

:eek: holy shit! that's correct. Good find!

Deron Williams
JJ Barea
Raymond Felton

All born on June 26, 1984.

[UK2K]

b/c its better to try and fail to make the playoffs than it is to tank and still not get the pick.

the only way Dallas is guaranteed to keep the pick is if they finish bottom 4.

It would suuuuuuuuuck if they finished with the 5th worst record but then the ping pong balls drop the pick to 8.

I thought it was 1-7 protected. It's listed on whatever site I googled.

[dunksby]

A few years late?

[LilEddyCurry]

:eek: holy shit! that's correct. Good find!

Deron Williams
JJ Barea
Raymond Felton

All born on June 26, 1984.

2 (Fat Ray) x 5 (Barea) x 8 (D-Will) = 80
80/31(their current age) = 2.58

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[bobopenguin]

let's go dwilllllll!!!!
show these haters!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

All the fat NY PGs goin to Dallas for the BBQ:lol :lol Fatty Seal Felton and now Chubby Wendys DWill:lol :lol

[kentatm]

I thought it was 1-7 protected. It's listed on whatever site I googled.

It is but Dallas can only be assured of getting the 1-7 pick if they are 4th or worse. There is a very real chance the Mavs could end up in a situation where they tank but due to ping pong balls falling the wrong way still not get to keep the pick.

Of course some here feel the need to ignore that completely

[kentatm]

it's not limited to just drafting a player.

I personally think Simmons will be a stud, but it's way more than that.

It's developing young players.

I wouldn't mind this strategy if we had a team that could grow together, but we don't. All this means is that guys like Anderson and Powell won't see a lot of time.

It means we'll rush back Parons and Wes and make Dirk play back to backs...etc.

All for what? Best case scenario is lose a 5 game playoff series in round 1 most likely.

Also, there aren't many bad teams this year. It would be much easier to finish in the bottom 3 this year than it has been in the past. If we held out Wes and Parsons for a while and played Dirk sparingly...what teams are worse?

We could easily get into that bottom 3.

I just don't see the benefit....and if it's just about giving Dirk a competitive team...then don't mortgage your entire franchise on Chandler Parson's ability to recruit a guy away form a much better team.

Also, why would it take 5 years? We have a solid team in place. You add two legit free agents to this team next summer, get a good young rookie, and Dirk signs back on...it's a playoff team for sure.

So it wouldn't take 5 years at all. It's about what to do this year given the circumstances of an incredibly loaded conference with hurt players, aging players, and a completely overhauled roster. What should you do with that given the cap increase coming and likelihood you do anything in the coming season?

Yea, it would suck if we tanked and lost the pick. You know what else would suck? Not tanking and missing the playoffs and giving up the pick....combined with Wes or Parsons getting hurt from playing too many games/minutes before they really should be back on the court.

Once again you are completely making things up to suit your argument. You simply cannot sit here and act like its a fact they are going to rush guys back and get them hurt. You are flat out coming up with a pie in the sky timeline for rebuilding based on pretty much nothing. It's not as easy as you seem to think it is to bottom out and based on the buzz in Dallas media there is no way in hell Dirk and Carlisle are going to stick around for a team that purposely craters like the 76ers.





and regarding developping young players: carlise cant. he just cant. he is limited in that area. call me crazy, but i think the waive of beaubois and dominique jones were just an awful decision. i remember how brilliant beaubois was in a playoff series, but carlise just ignored him consistently.


well we all know that this just doesnt work for the mavs. didnt work for LMA, for Lebron, Dwight, even D-will....Dallas has to accept that they wont attract the super stars....kidd came just because of Dirk...some other mediocre players as well....dallas has to accept that they either draft a future franchise-calibre player or....just embracing that no super star will eb traded or sign with dallas


Roddy didnt develop b/c his body is made of glass. Every time he seemed to be turning a corner he got hurt. The guy has been bouncing around Europe since Dallas let him go. Jones never could develop a competent jumper which made him crazy easy to defend. He wasn't a lock down defender so what was the point of keeping him? Dude has mostly balled in China since getting dumped.


as for FAs, out of the guys you listed LA and LeBron were likely never coming here regardless and the Mavs didn't put forth their full effort to get DWill the first time around. Dwight was the only guy they went all out for and at the end of the day he liked the Mavs presentation but went with Houston likely due to Harden's age vs Dirk's.

As for developing players, does RC not get credit for Wright and Crowder? Also, RC said today on the radio that Anderson should get a good amount of PT this year as a backup 2/3

[TheBigVeto]

Deron isn't gonna help much. The Sloan curse is still alive.