I found an old newspaper article about Wilt

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Photocopy on a guys blog who went through city library archives...

It was about Wilt coming out of College and into the pros... It listed his height, wingspan and weight... Nothing new that we don't already know but it had something else interesting which has been up for debate among many... It said Wilt's vertical jump was said to be 32 inches running... And i believe this because Wilt never really had his head way above the rim, if only just. He wasn't a top level jumper like other NBA athletic specimens. His quality was mobility and movement at that size. Not necessarily explosive power or strength...

I'll try to ask the guy who runs the blog if I can post the article here

[Marchesk]

http://s4.postimg.org/80mvd69q5/cousins.png

Dat evolution!

[CavaliersFTW]

Doubtful. But please do post if you aren't lying I do collect the newspaper archives that cite such information.

32 inches is like the 24 inch claim, it is not congruent with the college articles of Wilt's max reach being 12 feet 6 inches nor the later pro article of it being 12 feet 9 inches. That's a higher vertical than 32 inches. It's 36, and 39 respectively. His standing reach was 9 feet 6 inches. Film reveals some of the highest reaching blocked shots of any player. Also wouldn't fit that he was a competitive high jumper.

Either the college article you are referring to doesn't exist, or is likely not accurate a-la the "24 inch vertical" article from a few years ago.

[GIF REACTION]

Doubtful. But please do post if you aren't lying I do collect the newspaper archives that cite such information.

32 inches is like the 24 inch claim, it is not congruent with the college articles of Wilt's max reach being 12 feet 6 inches nor the later pro article of it being 12 feet 9 inches. That's a higher vertical than 32 inches. It's 36, and 39 respectively. His standing reach was 9 feet 6 inches. Film reveals some of the highest reaching blocked shots of any player. Also wouldn't fit that he was a competitive high jumper.

Either the college article you are referring to doesn't exist, or is likely not accurate a-la the "24 inch vertical" article from a few years ago.
What you miss is that wilt wore 2-3 inch soled shoes, and had extremely long arms. He didn't have to jump that high to reach those figures.

[BoutPractice]

[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]Not necessarily explosive power or strength

[CavaliersFTW]

What you miss is that wilt wore 2-3 inch soled shoes, and had extremely long arms. He didn't have to jump that high to reach those figures.
I see, so you are making this all up? I figured.

[SpecialQue]

I found an old newspaper article about OP:

http://slightlywarped.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/4165075567-d348f4ad54414304dd46f3d4f0953745.jpg

[GreggPopazit]

I'll try to ask the guy who runs the blog if I can post the article here

It is a freakin blog. Post it and just site the guy. That is how the internet works :hammerhead:

[LAZERUSS]

Photocopy on a guys blog who went through city library archives...

It was about Wilt coming out of College and into the pros... It listed his height, wingspan and weight... Nothing new that we don't already know but it had something else interesting which has been up for debate among many... It said Wilt's vertical jump was said to be 32 inches running... And i believe this because Wilt never really had his head way above the rim, if only just. He wasn't a top level jumper like other NBA athletic specimens. His quality was mobility and movement at that size. Not necessarily explosive power or strength...

I'll try to ask the guy who runs the blog if I can post the article here

http://articles.philly.com/1991-03-18/sports/25792007_1_chamberlain-dunk-soccer


4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: "One time (when as a teenager he saw Chamberlain playing in a Harlem summer league) I can remember like a photograph: His head was almost above the rim; there were players draped all around his neck, and it looked for all the world like the end of Moby Dick, with Gregory Peck lashed to his prey, beckoning his crew to join the quest. Wilt Chamberlain as the White Whale."

[DonDadda59]

32 inches is like the 24 inch claim, it is not congruent with the college articles of Wilt's max reach being 12 feet 6 inches


So basically This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cB1qgDPSw) but instead of any actual footage or documented measurements, we have hearsay and anecdotes? :confusedshrug:

[Marchesk]

One time (when as a teenager he saw Chamberlain playing in a Harlem summer league) I can remember like a photograph: His head was almost above the rim; there were players draped all around his neck, and it looked for all the world like the end of Moby Dick, with Gregory Peck lashed to his prey, beckoning his crew to join the quest. Wilt Chamberlain as the White Whale.

Hell of a quote! :bowdown: :roll:

[Yoda]

I'll try to ask the guy who runs the blog if I can post the article here

Do or do not. The **** out you must get without pics.

[DonDadda59]

Now Wilt is the mythical White Whale? Jesus. Actually, bigger than Jesus. Wilt>>>Jesus. Dropped 200 on the messiah while the 12 apostles hung off his left bicep. :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

http://www.si.com/vault/2013/10/14/106381076/the-freshman

[QUOTE]For the rest of the season, the greatest basketball player alive was essentially put back in his box. Public appearances by freshmen were restricted to scrimmages before home games

[Marchesk]

Monte Johnson saw Wilt take just one step and touch the top of a backboard that was 13 feet high. "My first thought," says Johnson, "was if that's those kids' new standard of what it takes to play basketball, they're all going to give up."

Now kids have Boogie's 27 inch vertical to aspire to.

(I do like Cousins though)

[LAZERUSS]

Just how big was Chamberlain in the mid-60's...

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Dag_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=NlYMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3182,4203859&dq=wilt+chamberlain+car+strength&hl=en

320 lbs.

Of course, we now know that Shaq was "only" 6-11 1/2...so Wilt would have been nearly two inches taller.

[DonDadda59]

Just how big was Chamberlain in the mid-60's...

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Dag_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=NlYMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3182,4203859&dq=wilt+chamberlain+car+strength&hl=en

320 lbs.

Of course, we now know that Shaq was "only" 6-11 1/2...so Wilt would have been nearly two inches taller.

More Wilt tall tales. That article says Dipper claimed he was 365 in the 60s.

http://jrshirt.com/images/wiltChamberlain.jpg

http://thestartingfive.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Wilt-Chamberlain-1968-7.jpg

He was definitely 365 lbs alright. Just look at him. :rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

More Wilt tall tales. That article says Dipper claimed he was 365 in the 60s.

http://jrshirt.com/images/wiltChamberlain.jpg

http://thestartingfive.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Wilt-Chamberlain-1968-7.jpg

He was definitely 365 lbs alright. Just look at him. :rolleyes:
One particular off season It's possible he was. It's also possible he exaggerated.

320lbs is what he reported to 1963-64 Warriors and that is reported by Alex Hannum. There's a pic of him that off season riding a roller coaster and he looks fat. Could have weighed more than 320.

Looking at pics of him from various other seasons is like looking at this pic of Shaq and scoffing at the notion of him ballooning to 370.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/uploads/5/shaq.jpg

So take it easy little hulkster. You've been getting upset on here a lot lately, it's probably not healthy.

[DonDadda59]

One particular off season It's possible he was. It's also possible he exaggerated.

Wilt... exaggerating... heavens no. Never in a million years. :no:

Dude was a world class bullshitter. 90% the ridiculous tall tales about him came from Stilt himself. 20,000 women, 365 lbs, killing mountain lions with his bare hands, etc.


Looking at pics of him from various other seasons is like looking at this pic of Shaq and scoffing at the notion of him ballooning to 370.


Shaq was about 300lbs his rookie season:

https://cobansalata.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/shaq_orlando.jpg

https://dberri.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/shaquille-oneil-hakeem1.png

He was around 320-350 during his time in LA:

http://celebcenter.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/shaq3.jpg

https://supremereaction.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/shaquille-oneal-los-angeles-lakers-autographed-photograph-3332617.jpg


You could see his physical growth throughout his career to the point where you could genuinely believe he got up to 360-370 during his latter years:

http://www.realclearsports.com/blognetwork/justice_is_served/porcle_091211_007.jpg

http://bayareasportsguy.com/wp-content/shaq-phoenix-suns.jpg


But no one with even a bit of sense believes Wilt's bullshit about playing at 365 in the 60s. Not even you.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt... exaggerating... heavens no. Never in a million years. :no:

Dude was a world class bullshitter. 90% the ridiculous tall tales about him came from Stilt himself. 20,000 women, 365 lbs, killing mountain lions with his bare hands, etc.



Shaq was about 300lbs his rookie season:

https://cobansalata.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/shaq_orlando.jpg

https://dberri.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/shaquille-oneil-hakeem1.png

He was around 320-350 during his time in LA:

http://celebcenter.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/shaq3.jpg

https://supremereaction.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/shaquille-oneal-los-angeles-lakers-autographed-photograph-3332617.jpg


You could see his physical growth throughout his career to the point where you could genuinely believe he got up to 360-370 during his latter years:

http://www.realclearsports.com/blognetwork/justice_is_served/porcle_091211_007.jpg

http://bayareasportsguy.com/wp-content/shaq-phoenix-suns.jpg


But no one with even a bit of sense believes Wilt's bullshit about playing at 365 in the 60s. Not even you.
Actually I'm the first to admit I'm not sure. He very well could have.

And you don't understand photography.

Still.

How many pounds do you think Shaq was in that pic with Hulk Hogan?

[DonDadda59]

Actually I'm the first to admit I'm not sure. He very well could have.

And you don't understand photography.

Right, photography. Not sure that skinny ass Wilt was 365 lbs or not :facepalm



Still.

How many pounds do you think Shaq was in that pic with Hulk Hogan?

About 300. That was earlier in his career. 94 if I'm not mistaken.

About 350 here:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/BnWzpZwY9kQ/0.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Right, photography. Not sure that skinny ass Wilt was 365 lbs or not :facepalm




About 300. That was earlier in his career. 94 if I'm not mistaken.

About 350 here:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/BnWzpZwY9kQ/0.jpg
I didn't ask you how heavy he was, I asked you how heavy he looks.

How heavy does this little hulkster look:

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/uploads/5/shaq.jpg

[DonDadda59]

I didn't ask you how heavy he was, I asked you how heavy he looks.

How heavy does this little hulkster look:



:biggums:

He looks about his listed 300 lbs. What is the point of this exercise?

Oh lemme guess... you're gonna post this picture:

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3f/26/40/3f2640ffb5cfe4378411101f8645872c.jpg

to back up Wilt's claim he was pushing 575 lbs here? :confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt in 1963...,and at 320 lbs.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CqxIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xwANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3715,469887&dq=&hl=en

And reporting to training camp in 1964 at 315...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6573884&postcount=17

[Akrazotile]

http://articles.philly.com/1991-03-18/sports/25792007_1_chamberlain-dunk-soccer


Funny coincidence, I'm currently reading Moby Dick :cheers:

[Akrazotile]

I didn't ask you how heavy he was, I asked you how heavy he looks.

How heavy does this little hulkster look:

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/uploads/5/shaq.jpg


"Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart :roll:

GOAT Manager

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt's bench press in 1964...

http://www.si.com/vault/1964/03/02/608684/meet-the-new-wilt-chamberlain


With Chamberlain now doing what everyone expected of him all along, San Francisco fans are coming back. They like him and his perpetual-motion supporting cast, and they like winning. About the only people not happy are the Warriors' opponents. The St. Louis Hawks' 6-foot-9, 240-pound Zelmo Beaty, for example, found out recently that he can no longer take Chamberlain's great strength for granted. Unable to slow Wilt down with conventional maltreatment, Beaty tried to yank his shorts off. Chamberlain, who can press 400 pounds without breathing hard, makes it a point to control his temper, primarily because he is genuinely afraid he might kill somebody. Beaty's unethical yank, however, was too much. Wilt flicked an arm, and Beaty flew across the floor like a man shot out of a cannon. Referee Mendy Rudolph rushed over to him and said: "For God's sake, stay down, man. Don't even twitch a muscle." Beaty didn't twitch, and he is still active in the NBA.

How about none other than Arnold...working out with Chamberlain...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzIu7o5NH1k


An eye-witness account of Chamberlain benching 465 in his 50's...

http://wiltfan.tripod.com/chat.htm


Host Chris_MSNBC2 says:
M3 says:
Question for Wilt...watched you bench press about 465 lbs like it was a match stick at the Stanford gym when you were working out there for some reason...how much can you still push up?

Host Wilt_Chamberlain says:
Well, probably I can push up a little more than that right now, because I was bench pressing some great weights. I was a shot-putter and lifting weights was a great joy to me. I liked to show off, I don't do that anymore, but I could probably bench press more than 465 pounds now.


Now how about Shaq's bench...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-BVncab0WI

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Couldn't BUDGE 405...and at probably 370+ lbs.

There was simply NO WAY Shaq EVER did 405, and a good chance he couldn't even do 375.

[LAZERUSS]

A 27 year old Wilt, at 290 lbs, and running a 4.6 40 for Hank Stram...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7766029&postcount=20

Tex Winter eyewitness account of Wilt dunking his FTs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz-FhP2ONk

[DonDadda59]

Wilt's bench press in 1964...

Is there any video or photographic evidence of Wilt benching 465 lbs like a 'matchstick' or is hearsay and hyperbole all we have to go by? :confusedshrug:

Several internet sources say Shaq used to bench 500-550 lbs. Obviously it's true because someone said it and/or wrote it down.

But as has been the case lately, I counter Wilt's tall tales with Dwight Howard's Reality (http://www.stack.com/video/2305637272001/dwight-howard-benches-365-pounds/).

Can you show me anything remotely similar for Wilt? A pic, video, anything? :confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt Chamberlain playing against 30 ppg scorer Walt Bellamy in their very first meeting...and blocking his first nine shots...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11204851&postcount=1

Larry Brown witnessing a mid-40's Wilt Chamberlain dominating the likes of Magic Johnson...

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain




Of all his memories of Wilt Chamberlain, the one that stood out for Larry Brown happened long after Chamberlain's professional career had ended. On a summer day in the early 1980s, when Brown was coaching at UCLA, Chamberlain showed up at Pauley Pavilion to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. "Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt. "So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one [of Johnson's] shots get to the rim." Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, and he remained in top physical shape until recently.

Stewart, Larry (1999-10-13). "Giant Towered Over the Rest". The Los Angeles Times.




Chamberlain's volleyball...

http://www.volleyballmag.com/articles/43228-wilt-chamberlain-s-lasting-legacy

[QUOTE]Byron Shewman, former IVA player

In 1978, I was a player-coach for the Tucson Sky. The All-Star Game was held in El Paso, and I was coaching the East team. Wilt was playing, and a journalist from the major El Paso paper called me a couple of days before for an interview about the game. I found out later that this guy didn

[LAZERUSS]

Is there any video or photographic evidence of Wilt benching 465 lbs like a 'matchstick' or is hearsay and hyperbole all we have to go by? :confusedshrug:

Several internet sources say Shaq used to bench 500-550 lbs. Obviously it's true because someone said it and/or wrote it down.

But as has been the case lately, I counter Wilt's tall tales with Dwight Howard's Reality (http://www.stack.com/video/2305637272001/dwight-howard-benches-365-pounds/).

Can you show me anything remotely similar for Wilt? A pic, video, anything? :confusedshrug:

Can you find me the footage of Wilt's 100 point game? Hell, how about any of his 271 40+ point games (other than highlights from his 42 point All-Star game in '62)?

As for Shaq's 500-550...:roll: :roll: :roll:

No way in hell Shaq ever came close to even 400. And we have FOOTAGE of that. The man MAY have topped out at 375.

I can find a TON of articles in which Chamberlain was credited with 500+ lbs.

Just google Wilt's bench.

As for STRENGTH...we have Bill Simmons, the legendary Chamberlain-hater, in his interview with Arnold, claiming that Wilt was the strongest man to have ever played the game.

And YOU know that I can post article-after-article about Wilt's staggering strength.

Shaq? Not so much.

[DonDadda59]

You really went the Wilt playing volleyball route? :lol

Dude started a league and made himself president, a team owner, and designated himself star player. It was just another Wilt ego trip:


"I assume that most people know that I'm a volleyballer of some renown. In fact, for a long time, volleyball became as big a part of my life as basketball once was. I helped start an international league of players from around the world, even behind the Iron Curtain (when there was an Iron Curtain). The volleyball organization was called the IVA (International Volleyball Association). I was president of the league, a team owner, and the star player. One of my most cherished feats was being chosen MVP in all All-Star volleyball game that was nationally televised by NBC."

"I started playing volleyball very late in my athletic career, around the age thirty-three of thirty-four, but I became quite proficient. It's a highly skilled and very fast-paced game. Being able to hold my own against the best in the world, on the beach or indoors, is something I am very proud of."

- Wilt Chamberlain, "A View From Above", 1991

He only made the HOF because of the press his celebrity brought to volleyball. He did a lot to promote the sport no doubt (even coaching a women's team called the little dippers :oldlol: ). But he was average at his absolute best or downright terrible according to who you ask.

[LAZERUSS]

You really went the Wilt playing volleyball route? :lol

Dude started a league and made himself president, a team owner, and designated himself star player. It was just another Wilt ego trip:


"I assume that most people know that I'm a volleyballer of some renown. In fact, for a long time, volleyball became as big a part of my life as basketball once was. I helped start an international league of players from around the world, even behind the Iron Curtain (when there was an Iron Curtain). The volleyball organization was called the IVA (International Volleyball Association). I was president of the league, a team owner, and the star player. One of my most cherished feats was being chosen MVP in all All-Star volleyball game that was nationally televised by NBC."

"I started playing volleyball very late in my athletic career, around the age thirty-three of thirty-four, but I became quite proficient. It's a highly skilled and very fast-paced game. Being able to hold my own against the best in the world, on the beach or indoors, is something I am very proud of."

- Wilt Chamberlain, "A View From Above", 1991

He only made the HOF because of the press his celebrity brought to volleyball. He did a lot to promote the sport no doubt (even coaching a women's team called the little dippers :oldlol: ). But he was average at his absolute best or downright terrible according to who you ask.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Again...none other than Byron Shewman...


Byron Shewman, former IVA player



“And then Wilt went out and played—and I’ve seen three Olympics and a lot of world-class, high-level volleyball—and he played as well as any hitter I’ve ever seen. He was playing against some world-class players, and I can’t remember his stats, but it was something close to a 90-percent kill rate. I guess a lot of it was attributed to me and that headline.



That is AVERAGE to you?????

[DonDadda59]

Can you find me the footage of Wilt's 100 point game?

Of course not. The NBA was such a joke league then that games were rarely televised or even covered by the media. I can watch a game of Lew Alcindor's from High School during the same time, but can't watch any footage of the NBA's biggest star's greatest feat. What does that tell you about the "Bush League's" position on the F*cks Given totem pole back then? :lol

Still though, no pictures or video exist of such a feat of strength as benching 465 like a matchstick.


I can find a TON of articles in which Chamberlain was credited with 500+ lbs.

Just google Wilt's bench.

Checked google. Men's Health Magazine says Shaq used to bench 550 lbs. Reddit article said 500. Criticalbench.com says 455.

Google has spoken :bowdown:


As for STRENGTH...we have Bill Simmons, the legendary Chamberlain-hater, in his interview with Arnold, claiming that Wilt was the strongest man to have ever played the game.

Wow, THE Bill Simmons? Wow.


And YOU know that I can post article-after-article about Wilt's staggering strength.

Shaq? Not so much.

Yeah, actual game tape definitely tells a different story than the Paul Bunyan stories. :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Again...none other than Byron Shewman...



That is AVERAGE to you?????

Way to nitpick for narrative. The rest of Byron Shewman's testimony:


Wilt was, by and large, a very effective hitter. The rest of his game was spotty because he hadn’t played that much. His blocking and ball handling were not too strong, and his hands were so big he couldn’t set the ball. It was like setting a softball or a baseball. And his passing wasn’t that strong, either. But it didn’t matter. It was a specialized game at that time. There was no rotation. And he was very effective in his role.


Also talks about how everyone had to constantly praise Wilt so as not to hurt his fragile ego:


So we got to El Paso, and the morning of the match, I was at breakfast. And Dodge Parker, an old friend who was on the other team, said, “Did you see the headline in the paper? Why did you say that?” And I said, “Say what?” So I looked at the paper, and it said something like “Shewman says East will go after Chamberlain’s weak ball handling.”

When we got to the gym before the match, the owner of the league came up in a panic and said, “Byron, you’ve got to go over and talk to Wilt. He’s threatening not to play. And if that happens, we’ve got no TV.” And I’m stammering, and I see Wilt. And it was one of those hot El Paso days, and he was over there sweating in his tank top. He looked like Godzilla. It looked like he had steam coming off his forehead. So I went over and said, “Wilt, can I have a word with you?” And he said, “Don’t even bother,” and he turned his back on me.

I also remember someone here posting a quote from a volleyball player who was also a former basketball player basically confirming Wilt was not very good but got the praise because of all the positive press he brought to the sport. I'll see if I can find it.

[LAZERUSS]

Of course not. The NBA was such a joke league then that games were rarely televised or even covered by the media. I can watch a game of Lew Alcindor's from High School during the same time, but can't watch any footage of the NBA's biggest star's greatest feat. What does that tell you about the "Bush League's" position on the F*cks Given totem pole back then? :lol

Still though, no pictures or video exist of such a feat of strength as benching 465 like a matchstick.



Checked google. Men's Health Magazine says Shaq used to bench 550 lbs. Reddit article said 500. Criticalbench.com says 455.

Google has spoken :bowdown:



Wow, THE Bill Simmons? Wow.



Yeah, actual game tape definitely tells a different story than the Paul Bunyan stories. :confusedshrug:

You want footage from a player that played 50 years ago...and yet you can't provide footage from a player whose every move was recorded?

BUT, we do have the FOOTAGE of Shaq's bench...and he couldn't move 405 off of his chest. Hell, he couldn't have done 375.

As for Reddit...

Chamberlain... 500+.


PHYSICALLY:
Wilt reportedly had a 50" vert.
Ran the 100 yd dash sub 11 seconds.
He broke Johnny Kerr's toe with the ball after dunking it through.
Bench pressed 500#

More...

http://wiltfan.tripod.com/didyaknow.htm


Wilt used to lift weights with Arnold Shwartzenegger and Wilt got his bench press up to 500 pounds.

Shaq's 455? Same article...


1. Wilt Chamberlain

When it comes to NBA legends, few are greater than the late Wilt Chamberlain. Here are just a few of Wilt's on-court feats:

- Only guy to score 100 points in an NBA game.
- 2-time NBA champion
- 7-time NBA scoring champion
- Highest single-season scoring average at 50.4 PPG (1962)
- Most points and rebounds in NBA history at 31,419 (30.1 PPG) and 23,924 (22.9 RPG), respectively.

Okay, so I could go on, but let's get back to the bench press subject. If we're to believe legend, "Wilt the Stilt" wasn't such a stilt at all because he's credited with benching 500 pounds. Given that he lifted weights with Arnold Schwarzenegger and is touted by many to be the strongest NBA player ever, it's not a stretch to believe in the 500-pound bench press legend

3. Shaquille O'Neal

At 7'1", 325 pounds, Shaq is one of the biggest players to have ever stepped onto the court. He's also one of the strongest and was able to assert his dominance on the way to 4 NBA Championships and 3 NBA Finals MVP awards. So how did his strength translate into the weight room? At his peak, many say that Shaq could bench press 455 pounds. As big as the 15-time NBA All-Star was, this is one bench that we can easily see as being true.

.

And again, we have FOOTAGE of Shaq failing miserably to even BUDGE 405.

And I could go on.


And we have FOOTAGE of an old Wilt yanking a young Shaq, who would just get fatter as his career progressed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig

In any case...Wilt was EASILY stronger than Shaq.

[Asukal]

Loseruss cherry picking again. This time words not stats. :facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Way to nitpick for narrative. The rest of Byron Shewman's testimony:

[INDENT]Wilt was, by and large, a very effective hitter. [B][COLOR="Red"]The rest of his game was spotty because he hadn

[DonDadda59]

You want footage from a player that played 50 years ago...and yet you can't provide footage from a player whose every move was recorded?

BUT, we do have the FOOTAGE of Shaq's bench...and he couldn't move 405 off of his chest. Hell, he couldn't have done 375.

As for Reddit...

Chamberlain... 500+.



More...

http://wiltfan.tripod.com/didyaknow.htm



Shaq's 455? Same article...



And again, we have FOOTAGE of Shaq failing miserably to even BUDGE 405.

And I could go on.


And we have FOOTAGE of an old Wilt yanking a young Shaq, who would just get fatter as his career progressed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig

In any case...Wilt was EASILY stronger than Shaq.

Wilt 50" vertical. 500 lb bench. 20K bitches slayed.

Google FTW :bowdown:

And old, fat Shaq was clearly clowning around on the bench. Even did the cartoon leg thing.

But google says he benched 550 lbs in his prime. Therefore it is so.

[DonDadda59]

You want footage from a player that played 50 years ago...

Like I said before, 0 evidence of any of Wilt Bunyan's feats of strength exist, but I can watch games of Lew Alcindor in High School played 50 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOl2OXhn0-c)

Jerry West, one of the greatest talent evaluators ever and future Wilt teammate, was apparently watching young Lew too when he said this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/1g1ts3.jpg

Damn. :lebronamazed:

College Kareem was better than prime Wilt according to Wilt's own teammate. And West was tryna get in on that non choking, Bill Russell 11 rings bonanza. Yikes.

Hope Wilt didn't read that before they teamed up. Probably would've threatened to boycott some seasons if he did. :eek:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt 50" vertical. 500 lb bench. 20K bitches slayed.

Google FTW :bowdown:

And old, fat Shaq was clearly clowning around on the bench. Even did the cartoon leg thing.

But google says he benched 550 lbs in his prime. Therefore it is so.

Same google that also claims that Wilt was benching 600...

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2uc11s/who_is_the_most_physically_built_player_to_ever/

As for leaping ability...can you find me FOOTAGE of Shaq doing this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8yJ1J1W7Q

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11155068&postcount=23


Or find an eyewitness, the likes of Tex Winter...claiming that Wilt could dunk his FT's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz-FhP2ONk

Or a news clip with a 12'9" reach...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11155672&postcount=38


Or maybe you can find an article about Shaq winning a college high jump championship (part time BTW, and with poor technique)...

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/things-you-didnt-know-about-wilt-chamberlain/won-high-jump-competition


n addition to playing basketball at Kansas, Chamberlain also joined the track and field team and excelled. He ran the 100-yard dash, threw the shot put, and took part in the triple jump and high jump. But he enjoyed the most success in the high jump and won the event at the Big Eight track and field championships for the Jayhawks.

Of course, we have eyewitness accounts of Wilt dunking on 12 ft rims, and touching the top of the backboard, as well.

[Asukal]

Like I said before, 0 evidence of any of Wilt Bunyan's feats of strength exist, but I can watch games of Lew Alcindor in High School played 50 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOl2OXhn0-c)

Jerry West, one of the greatest talent evaluators ever and future Wilt teammate, was apparently watching young Lew too when he said this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/1g1ts3.jpg

Damn. :lebronamazed:

College Kareem was better than prime Wilt according to Wilt's own teammate. And West was tryna get in on that non choking, Bill Russell 11 rings bonanza. Yikes.

Hope Wilt didn't read that before they teamed up. Probably would've threatened to boycott some seasons if he did. :eek:

West knew Russell had the heart and will of a champion with the game on the line Russ is the man. Wilt? He'd choke so hard he'd need to make up some bogus story to stroke his ego. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Like I said before, 0 evidence of any of Wilt Bunyan's feats of strength exist, but I can watch games of Lew Alcindor in High School played 50 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOl2OXhn0-c)

Jerry West, one of the greatest talent evaluators ever and future Wilt teammate, was apparently watching young Lew too when he said this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/1g1ts3.jpg

Damn. :lebronamazed:

College Kareem was better than prime Wilt according to Wilt's own teammate. And West was tryna get in on that non choking, Bill Russell 11 rings bonanza. Yikes.

Hope Wilt didn't read that before they teamed up. Probably would've threatened to boycott some seasons if he did. :eek:

West in 1999...

http://www.nba.com/history/wilt_appreciation.html


"He was the most unbelievable center to ever play the game in terms of domination and intimidation. There's no one that's ever played the game better than Wilt Chamberlain. This was a man for all ages."

Bill Russell at the 1997 All-star game...


"Nobody seems to appreciate what an incredible player Wilt was," Russell said at 1997 All-Star Game when the league named and honored its 50 greatest players. "He was the best player of all time because he dominated the floor like nobody else ever could. To be that big and that athletic was special."

Kareem in an open letter to Scotty Pippen in 2011...

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/05/kareem-abdul-jabbar-questions-scottie-pippens-argument-that-lebron-james-may-be-the-greatest-player-.html


How Soon They Forget: An Open Letter to Scottie Pippen

Dear Scottie,

I have nothing but respect for you my friend as an athlete and knowledgeable basketball mind. But you are way off in your assessment of who is the greatest player of all time and the greatest scorer of all time. Your comments are off because of your limited perspective. You obviously never saw Wilt Chamberlain play who undoubtedly was the greatest scorer this game has ever known. When did MJ ever average 50.4 points per game plus 25.7 rebounds? (Wilt in the 1962 season when blocked shot statistics were not kept). We will never accurately know how many shots Wilt blocked. Oh, by the way in 1967 and 68, Wilt was a league leader in assists. Did MJ ever score 100 points in a game? How many times did MJ score more than 60 points in a game? MJ led the league in scoring in consecutive seasons for 10 years but he did this in an NBA that eventually expanded into 30 teams vs. when Wilt played and there were only 8 teams.

Every team had the opportunity to amass a solid nucleus. Only the cream of the basketball world got to play then. So MJ has to be appraised in perspective. His incredible athletic ability, charisma and leadership on the court helped to make basketball popular around the world -- no question about that. But in terms of greatness, MJ has to take a backseat to The Stilt.

Larry Bird...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=larry%20bird%20on%20wilt%20chamberlain


When the topic of all-time greatest player was once raised, none other than the legendary Larry Bird didn't hesitate.


"Open up the record book and it will be obvious who the greatest is," he said.

Rick Barry a couple of years ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTt_TxoFVo

"Wilt was the greatest ever."

I could go on...

[DonDadda59]

Same google that also claims that Wilt was benching 600...

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2uc11s/who_is_the_most_physically_built_player_to_ever/

As for leaping ability...can you find me FOOTAGE of Shaq doing this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8yJ1J1W7Q

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11155068&postcount=23


Or find an eyewitness, the likes of Tex Winter...claiming that Wilt could dunk his FT's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz-FhP2ONk

Or a news clip with a 12'9" reach...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11155672&postcount=38


Or maybe you can find an article about Shaq winning a college high jump championship (part time BTW, and with poor technique)...

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/things-you-didnt-know-about-wilt-chamberlain/won-high-jump-competition



Of course, we have eyewitness accounts of Wilt dunking on 12 ft rims, and touching the top of the backboard, as well.

Bruh, all those things that Wilt allegedly did with eyewitness accounts I have actual video footage of Dwight f*cking Howard doing the same exact thing. 12'6" standing jump, dunking on 12+ ft rims.

Dwight Howard is a third tier (at his absolute best) center in the last 25 years.

And a 7'1" guy high jumping 6'6" really isn't that impressive. I did high jump in HS and did 6', someone in my conference did 6'6".

And a HS junior broke the national record with a 7'-5 3/4" jump:

http://www.flotrack.org/video/173018-junior-breaks-25-year-high-jump-record-75-34#.VaiXyflViko

Really nothing to brag about. Especially for someone with a 50" vertical :roll:

[DonDadda59]

West in 1999...

http://www.nba.com/history/wilt_appreciation.html



Bill Russell at the 1997 All-star game...



Kareem in an open letter to Scotty Pippen in 2011...

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/05/kareem-abdul-jabbar-questions-scottie-pippens-argument-that-lebron-james-may-be-the-greatest-player-.html



Larry Bird...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=larry%20bird%20on%20wilt%20chamberlain



Rick Barry a couple of years ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTt_TxoFVo

"Wilt was the greatest ever."

I could go on...

Yeah they all said that after he died. When he was alive Wilt was known by his peers as a choking loser.

It's the same scenario as when West a few years ago said LeBron was a superior player to Kobe and Lakers nation went berserk, forcing West to retract his statement.

But again, as always, he was spot on in his assessment of Wilt vs the likes of Kareem and Russell. It was even to the point of clairvoyance since Kareem was still Lew Alcindor and hadn't even played in the NBA yet. But Jerry knew from the eye test that Lew was better as a college player than Wilt was at his peak.

West is an absolute talent scouting genius. :bowdown:

[Heavincent]

LOL at you guys having an intense debate about Wilt's volleyball skills.

[LAZERUSS]

Bruh, all those things that Wilt allegedly did with eyewitness accounts I have actual video footage of Dwight f*cking Howard doing the same exact thing. 12'6" standing jump, dunking on 12+ ft rims.

Dwight Howard is a third tier (at his absolute best) center in the last 25 years.

And a 7'1" guy high jumping 6'6" really isn't that impressive. I did high jump in HS and did 6', someone in my conference did 6'6".

And a HS junior broke the national record with a 7'-5 3/4" jump:

http://www.flotrack.org/video/173018-junior-breaks-25-year-high-jump-record-75-34#.VaiXyflViko

Really nothing to brag about. Especially for someone with a 50" vertical :roll:

Dwight Howard didn't have a STANDING vertical of 12'6". He had a RUNNING START...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Wiq-POmFA

And Wilt was dunking on a 12 ft rim withOUT benefit of a LOB.

[DonDadda59]

Dwight Howard didn't have a STANDING vertical of 12'6". He had a RUNNING START...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Wiq-POmFA

Notice how they keep using the word 'documented'. Guess eyewitness accounts don't count. Go figure. :lol

But also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cB1qgDPSw


And Wilt was dunking on a 12 ft rim withOUT benefit of a LOB.

Go ahead and show me a picture or video of Wilt dunking on a 12 foot hoop.

Also, Giraffes>Mountain Lions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSNfAGmpQHE)

[LAZERUSS]

Notice how they keep using the word 'documented'. Guess eyewitness accounts don't count. Go figure. :lol

But also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cB1qgDPSw



Go ahead and show me a picture or video of Wilt dunking on a 12 foot hoop.

Also, Giraffes>Mountain Lions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSNfAGmpQHE)

Again...where is the footage of Wilt's 100 point game?

Must not have happened by your logic.

[AirFederer]

I love how his stans ignore info that disputes the credibilty of the myths...
Wilt is the GOAT of one thing, and that is to create myths of himself.

Also, what his peers said back when Wilt played and they were active and has, to me at least, way more credibilty than what they said 20-30-40 years later, when asked to remenisce Wilt when he died. Nobody (except Logo that is lol) is going to critisize a guy who just died.. :lol

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/Mobile%20Uploads/006E2A04-2FA4-437F-B111-2A75C3511176_zps7vyrgnno.jpg (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/Mobile%20Uploads/006E2A04-2FA4-437F-B111-2A75C3511176_zps7vyrgnno.jpg.html)

From Jerry West's book
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/E8663806-7B00-43FC-8B04-7B337EABEC1B_zpswcpy4t5k.png (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/E8663806-7B00-43FC-8B04-7B337EABEC1B_zpswcpy4t5k.png.html)

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/E43BC299-72AE-4CB0-86B9-7C22399D17A6_zpssir1ioog.png (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/E43BC299-72AE-4CB0-86B9-7C22399D17A6_zpssir1ioog.png.html)

Teammate Chet Walker

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/5ED78B6E-5914-4D27-94A2-7D792D2DEBE8_zpsxraqlkgw.png (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/5ED78B6E-5914-4D27-94A2-7D792D2DEBE8_zpsxraqlkgw.png.html)

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/B60A0784-F831-4524-83A9-01EAD10C9B63_zpsehp5w8tc.png (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/B60A0784-F831-4524-83A9-01EAD10C9B63_zpsehp5w8tc.png.html)


Oh, and how many times was Wilt TRADED during his prime, btw? :roll:

[Dr.J4ever]

Hmm very interesting debate in the wee hours of the am:lol

Wilt was the single most dominant player ever, but Dadda has a point that eyewitness accounts of incredible tales must be tampered down with logic and sober thought. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable especially when there is an interest to protect or a bias.

Just my take. Carry on.:cheers:

[AirFederer]

Again, what could former volleyball Olympian AND basketball teammate of Wilt,Keith Ericksson know about Wilt the volleyballer?

Care to comment, Laz? And by comment I don't mean another quote from a sniffer of Wilt's jock strap.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/Mobile%20Uploads/7AAEDB64-EBDE-4B99-AB4A-8360035A8E6D.png_zps9yyfgkil.jpeg (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7AAEDB64-EBDE-4B99-AB4A-8360035A8E6D.png_zps9yyfgkil.jpeg.html)

It seems to me that people who had business with Wilt often were those who retold his own myths. Arnold (movie, the volleyballer Laz mentioned etc)

[Marchesk]

24/24/8 on 68%, 68 wins, demolished 8 time defending champion celtics, in 5 games, championship.

GOAT peak.

[AirFederer]

Laz no show :rolleyes:


Again, what could former volleyball Olympian AND basketball teammate of Wilt,Keith Ericksson know about Wilt the volleyballer?

Care to comment, Laz? And by comment I don't mean another quote from a sniffer of Wilt's jock strap.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah267/espelid/Mobile%20Uploads/7AAEDB64-EBDE-4B99-AB4A-8360035A8E6D.png_zps9yyfgkil.jpeg (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/espelid/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7AAEDB64-EBDE-4B99-AB4A-8360035A8E6D.png_zps9yyfgkil.jpeg.html)

It seems to me that people who had business with Wilt often were those who retold his own myths. Arnold (movie, the volleyballer Laz mentioned etc)

[La Frescobaldi]

So basically This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cB1qgDPSw) but instead of any actual footage or documented measurements, we have hearsay and anecdotes? :confusedshrug:

Surely you've heard of YouTube.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCtmgxwsiJY

Look at the rim.

Look at his armpit.

In case you don't know this, his armpit is below his head.

Now that we have a solid frame of reference - armpit at the rim - look at the top of the backboard, and look at his hand.

Last: notice this is in-game, trying to block a shot, and.... that is a standing vertical.