Greatest loser in NBA history: Wilt or Jordan?

[mehyaM24]

wilt had numerous stacked teams, and while he got his stats, they were empty and came at the expense of his teammates. when he did finally decide to play winning basketball though his numbers were cut in half and he was still one of the best big men att.

jordan without pippen is 1-9 in the playoffs. never having made the second round without the GOAT defensive player on the perimeter, nor arguably the best in-game manager in phil jackson. when the bulls and specifically phil decided to make pippen team captain and lead playmaker, chicago rattled off 2 threepeats and were one of the greatest dynasties ever - jordan also got to score in bunches, but it was the defense and rebounding that made the bulls absurdly great.

tough choice, but i would have to go with jordan because wilt literally did everything on the floor that you could impact.

[riseagainst]

wilt for sure. Jordan is the GOAT and one of the greatest winners ever. He has the athleticism, skills, mental toughness, achievements, stats, awards, honors, recognition, etc. He was the perfect player.

[KendrickPerkins]

Wilt's the biggest loser in professional sports history.

There has never been a bigger mental midget.

There has never been a bigger coward.

There has never been someone more insecure.

Wilt is the biggest loser to ever lace 'em up.

[mehyaM24]

btw, thread title should read "greater loser" in nba history. i don't think these 2 are in the same realm as carmelo for instance.


wilt for sure. Jordan is the GOAT and one of the greatest winners ever. He has the athleticism, skills, mental toughness, achievements, stats, awards, honors, recognition, etc. He was the perfect player.

jordan is one of the greatest scorers in history - no doubt. but it wasn't UNTIL pjax and pippen came along that he finally won some championships.

pippen's defense, playmaking and all-worldly intangibles were absolutely irreplaceable imo.

[West-Side]

If you look up the word loser, it will simply say.

a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.

Followed by:

Opposite of Michael Jordan or synonymous with Wilt Chamberlain.

[pastis]

damn, Jordan had goat coach and goat stacked teams...but nevertheless he still is the best scorer the game has ever seen and especially the greatest mental and clutch player of all time....

[mehyaM24]

If you look up the word loser, it will simply say.

a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.

Followed by:

Opposite of Michael Jordan or synonymous with Wilt Chamberlain.

jordan was the definition of a basketball loser prior to pippen being drafted. 1-9 in the playoffs, and in the do-or-die playoff game to ACTUALLY advance into the second round, it was pippen, not jordan, who closed the deal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79eJyW_T0M).

[DonDadda59]

Birds of a 2/6 feather flock together. :applause:

http://heatnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/32813_Matchup.jpg

[mehyaM24]

Birds of a 2/6 feather flock together. :applause:

http://heatnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/32813_Matchup.jpg

so your answer is wilt?

you have to admit that its pretty close regardless, especially when we look at jordan's track record without pippen and phil. 1-9 in the playoffs is on some tmac shit. :oldlol:

[KendrickPerkins]

Birds of a 2/6 feather flock together. :applause:

http://heatnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/32813_Matchup.jpg
Look how much bigger LeBron is.

He would literally destroy Wilts gay self.

Wilt is the biggest wimp in NBA history. Such a losing personality.

Nobody will ever respect him. I despise Wilt and his shitty existence.

[ShawkFactory]

Look how much bigger LeBron is.

He would literally destroy Wilts gay self.

Wilt is the biggest wimp in NBA history. Such a losing personality.

Nobody will ever respect him. I despise Wilt and his shitty existence.
Because you're a virgin and it makes you mad that he's fvcked so many women?

[KendrickPerkins]

Because you're a virgin and it makes you mad that he's fvcked so many women?
You mean lied about having sex with thousands of women like he lied throughout his entire adult life to mask his deep rooted insecurity and his embarrassing homosexuality?

Wait, you're too stupid to come to that conclusion.

In your mind Wilt actually did sleep with all those women and beat up that mountain lion.

Carry on retard.

[DonDadda59]

so your answer is wilt?

you have to admit that its pretty close regardless, especially when we look at jordan's track record without pippen and phil. 1-9 in the playoffs is on some tmac shit. :oldlol:

6 championships, 6 finals MVPs, the best regular season record of all time = losing because his sidekick stopped getting migraines and the coach of the Albany Patroons became head coach? :biggums:

[mehyaM24]

6 championships, 6 finals MVPs, the best regular season record of all time = losing because his sidekick stopped getting migraines and the coach of the Albany Patroons became head coach? :biggums:

6 championships because of of the help of pippen and pjax. you jordan fans conveniently ignore that. can name one other top 10 player that's had WORSE success in the playoffs, to start their career or without another superstar beside them, than jordan has? because i can't.

without pippen being the greatest wing defender in history, jordan had one freaking playoff win. :wtf:

[Marchesk]

without pippen being the greatest wing defender in history, jordan had one freaking playoff win. :wtf:

Going up against the 80s Celtics and Bucks, doe.

[sekachu]

wilt had numerous stacked teams, and while he got his stats, they were empty and came at the expense of his teammates. when he did finally decide to play winning basketball though his numbers were cut in half and he was still one of the best big men att.

jordan without pippen is 1-9 in the playoffs. never having made the second round without the GOAT defensive player on the perimeter, nor arguably the best in-game manager in phil jackson. when the bulls and specifically phil decided to make pippen team captain and lead playmaker, chicago rattled off 2 threepeats and were one of the greatest dynasties ever - jordan also got to score in bunches, but it was the defense and rebounding that made the bulls absurdly great.

tough choice, but i would have to go with jordan because wilt literally did everything on the floor that you could impact.



Why dont you choose lebron?

He is playing in the weakest east ever and still only won 2 rings. had not ray allen's 3 pts turned the table around to saved his ass, no doubt he gone for 1/7 now. Who is the loser again?

[DonDadda59]

6 championships because of of the help of pippen and pjax. you jordan fans conveniently ignore that. can name one other top 10 player that's had WORSE success in the playoffs, to start their career or without another superstar beside them, than jordan has? because i can't.

without pippen being the greatest wing defender in history, jordan had one freaking playoff win. :wtf:

Think about it this way- Bron coasts through the absolute worst conference in NBA History every year only to get bum raped by the first Western Conference team he runs into. Now imagine if instead of Gilbert Arenas' Wizards, he saw Duncan's Spurs in the first round in '06-'08. Sweep every time.

That Spurs team was nowhere remotely as good as Larry Bird's Celtics.

And Jordan's first series win came when Pip was riding the bench to the tune of 8 PPG. Giving a bench scrub like that credit for Jordan's success (won the MVP, DPOY, scoring title, steals title, even ASG MVP that season) is like giving Flip Murray all the credit for Bron's first playoff series win against the mighty Wizards.

And for the record, David Blatt was FAR more accomplished as a coach before he took the top job in Cleveland than Phil was before the Bulls. Not even a contest.

[G0ATbe]

Jordan. At least Wilt was able to garner a few rings. Jordan was getting his ass handed to him 1st round every year without pip.

[mehyaM24]

against one of the greatest teams ever, the 2008 celtics, lebron took them to 7 games.

against the heavily favored detroit pistons, lebron chewed and spit them out on his way to the finals - this with role players

jordan went up against the bucks who are good. same with the 87 celtics - but none of those teams were as good as the 2008 celtics (the 86 version is the GOAT team though).

you guys have an answer for everything, but truth be told, they're reading like excuses. one win out of 10 playoff games is completely ridiculous - and it goes to show you JUST how much jordan relied on his star-studded cast.

[AirFederer]

I know OP is a flaming @

[DonDadda59]

against one of the greatest teams ever, the 2008 celtics, lebron took them to 7 games.

So did the 37 win Hawks. :yaohappy:

Jordan, coming off a devastating foot injury, got swept by the GOAT candidate team Celtics putting up 44/6/6/2 on 51% FG (including a still playoffs record 63 points)

LeBron got swept by the worst or second worst Spurs team to make the finals putting up 22/7/7 on 36% FG (Over 5 TOS/gm)

But MJ was the loser?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/02/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[Beastmode88]

lol op trying to use the 1-9 argument, dude had to play vs teams like the celtics and bad boys by himself. while players like lebron is spoon fed in the east to the finals and his stans wonder why he has a losing record in the finals. also he hasn't won a ring without wade.

[mehyaM24]

So did the 37 win Hawks. :yaohappy:

Jordan, coming off a devastating foot injury, got swept by the GOAT candidate team Celtics putting up 44/6/6/2 on 51% FG (including a still playoffs record 63 points)

LeBron got swept by the worst or second worst Spurs team to make the finals putting up 22/7/7 on 36% FG (Over 5 TOS/gm)

But MJ was the loser?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/02/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

if we're using mythologist logic:

led by terry cummings & ricky pierce, the bucks in 87 took the celtics to 7 games. in the regular season the bulls were 4-2 against them, so what is jordan's excuse? here again, lebron beat a team who he was heavily favored against by having one of the greatest playoff games in history. he then proceeded to take the celtics to 7 games who are an all-time great team - a team he was once again bet against.

like i said, all you guys have are excuses. 1-9 in the playoffs without THE lead playmaker and team captain, scottie pippen. that's a fact.

[La Frescobaldi]

lol op trying to use the 1-9 argument, dude had to play vs teams like the celtics and bad boys by himself. while players like lebron is spoon fed in the east to the finals and his stans wonder why he has a losing record in the finals. also he hasn't won a ring without wade.

Chamberlain exact same thing.

Fact:
Not one single one of the all-time greatest NBA players has ever won even one single ring without an all-time stacked team.

Not even one.

Jordan, Bird, Russell, Shaq, West, Magic, Chamberlain, Jabbar.... put them all around a table and they don't have even one single ring among all of them except from a really heavily loaded team including coaches.

[Soundwave]

LeBron fans should STFU. It's the summer of 2/6.

[TheMan]

wilt had numerous stacked teams, and while he got his stats, they were empty and came at the expense of his teammates. when he did finally decide to play winning basketball though his numbers were cut in half and he was still one of the best big men att.

jordan without pippen is 1-9 in the playoffs. never having made the second round without the GOAT defensive player on the perimeter, nor arguably the best in-game manager in phil jackson. when the bulls and specifically phil decided to make pippen team captain and lead playmaker, chicago rattled off 2 threepeats and were one of the greatest dynasties ever - jordan also got to score in bunches, but it was the defense and rebounding that made the bulls absurdly great.

tough choice, but i would have to go with jordan because wilt literally did everything on the floor that you could impact.Utter stupidity at it's finest :applause:

[TheMan]

against one of the greatest teams ever, the 2008 celtics, lebron took them to 7 games.

against the heavily favored detroit pistons, lebron chewed and spit them out on his way to the finals - this with role players

jordan went up against the bucks who are good. same with the 87 celtics - but none of those teams were as good as the 2008 celtics (the 86 version is the GOAT team though).

you guys have an answer for everything, but truth be told, they're reading like excuses. one win out of 10 playoff games is completely ridiculous - and it goes to show you JUST how much jordan relied on his star-studded cast.
The Atlanta Hawks :lol took the Celtics to 7 games too :oldlol:

[Young X]

6 championships
72-10
69-13
67-15
Never lost a series he was supposed to win
Never lost with homecourt

F*ck outta here with this dumb shit.

[tpols]

against one of the greatest teams ever, the 2008 celtics, lebron took them to 7 games.

He averaged 27/7/6 on 36% shooting and 48 TS in that series :roll:

[mehyaM24]

The Atlanta Hawks :lol took the Celtics to 7 games too :oldlol:

ricky pierce's bucks took the "goat celtics" to 7 games as well.

your point? :oldlol:

[aj1987]

6 championships, 6 finals MVPs, the best regular season record of all time = losing because his sidekick stopped getting migraines and the coach of the Albany Patroons became head coach? :biggums:
Damn! 97 bulls is gonna lose his shit when he sees this post.

OP getting REKT in this thread, BTW.

[Elosha]

Let's start a new thread to rank where this thread ranks in terms of all time stupid troll attempts. In the myriad list of ISH's greatest stupidities, this has got to rank in the top 100, maybe higher. :cheers:

[Marchesk]

Let's start a new thread to rank where this thread ranks in terms of all time stupid troll attempts. In the myriad list of ISH's greatest stupidities, this has got to rank in the top 100, maybe higher. :cheers:

There's so many though. Making it into the top 100 would be an accomplishment.

[knicksman]

Wilt but its gonna be bran next season. 4 mvps for just 2/7 rings has never been achieved in the modern era. You must be the best kind of loser to achieve that feat

[Elosha]

There's so many though. Making it into the top 100 would be an accomplishment.

Yes, I know but it's so stupid I think it just might make it into the top 100. Bravo OP. :rolleyes:

[GrapeApe]

What's with this 1-9 nonsense that people keep spouting? A pre-prime Jordan struggled to win playoff games, by himself, in an extremely tough conference, and that's somehow supposed to be a knock against him? He went on to win 6 titles and 6 FMVP's while being the undisputed lead dog on his team, yet he's a loser? What planet is this? Jordan would have won multiple titles without Pippen. Nobody would even care about Pippen if not for Jordan. That's not to say Pippen wasn't great, he certainly was, but Jordan made him into a legend.

[Rocketswin2013]

How is Wilt ever considered a loser? Not even talking about just this thread. You'll see a dunce say that every other time his name is brought up. 2x NBA champion, would be FMVP 2x. Of course, he lost more than he won, but so did every ATG, except Russell.


It's literally impossible for Wilt to be isolated as a loser. Either he and like 99.99% of players ever are losers, or he's not at all.

[DonDadda59]

How is Wilt ever considered a loser? Not even talking about just this thread. You'll see a dunce say that every other time his name is brought up. 2x NBA champion, would be FMVP 2x. Of course, he lost more than he won, but so did every ATG, except Russell.


It's literally impossible for Wilt to be isolated as a loser. Either he and like 99.99% of players ever are losers, or he's not at all.

You just answered your own question. You can't have an 11-2 championship deficit to your rival and not have consequences in the court of public opinion.

Can you imagine if say Kevin Duran retired with 11 rings to LeBron's 2? How do you think he would be viewed?

[tpols]

What's with this 1-9 nonsense that people keep spouting? A pre-prime Jordan struggled to win playoff games, by himself, in an extremely tough conference, and that's somehow supposed to be a knock against him? He went on to win 6 titles and 6 FMVP's while being the undisputed lead dog on his team, yet he's a loser? What planet is this? Jordan would have won multiple titles without Pippen. Nobody would even care about Pippen if not for Jordan. That's not to say Pippen wasn't great, he certainly was, but Jordan made him into a legend.

It's a really really poor attempt to counter 2/6.. trying to use the same type of fraction logic, except.. its just completely arbitrary and non encapsulating since it only includes like 25% of the guys career.. where as 2/6 is 100% for bron.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I don't really think either of them are losers.

[Hittin_Shots]

So OP must clearly rank Scottie Pippen higher than LeBron right?

[livinglegend]

the 1-9 guy

[mehyaM24]

Yes, I know but it's so stupid I think it just might make it into the top 100. Bravo OP. :rolleyes:

if people consider lebron a "loser" because of his 2/6 record in the finals (had less help than jordan did in all 6 of his finals appearances), why is bringing up jordan's 1-9 record in the playoffs without pippen considered "trolling"?

face it, you idiots call everything "trolling". :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

1-9 would be Lebron's finals record if there was any karma in this world.

I just have to live with 2-9.

[Dro]

I don't really think either of them are losers.
This. What a stupid ass thread. Only on ISH....:applause:

[GrapeApe]

if people consider lebron a "loser" because of his 2/6 record in the finals (had less help than jordan did in all 6 of his finals appearances), why is bringing up jordan's 1-9 record in the playoffs without pippen considered "trolling"?

face it, you idiots call everything "trolling". :oldlol:

Because it IS trolling, as is the 2/6 stuff for Lebron. The only finals loss that can be pinned on Lebron is 2011. No objective fan blames him for the others. As far as 1-9, hardly anyone knows (or cares about) what that is. It's meaningless and arbitrary. Bottom line, anyone who cites 2/6 or 1-9 is either trolling or a simple minded idiot.

[mehyaM24]

Because it IS trolling, as is the 2/6 stuff for Lebron. The only finals loss that can be pinned on Lebron is 2011. No objective fan blames him for the others. As far as 1-9, hardly anyone knows (or cares about) what that is. It's meaningless and arbitrary. Bottom line, anyone who cites 2/6 or 1-9 is either trolling or a simple minded idiot.

except 2/6 is not "trolling" because there are a handful of regular posters here, that aren't considered "trolls", using the 2/6 stuff to slight lebron. they give jordan complete and full credit for his 6 rings, yet want to talk about the "crappy" eastern conference & lebron's 4 finals losses - 2 in which lebron played better than jordan in.

dondadda is one of those users.

[Beastmode88]

except 2/6 is not "trolling" because there are a handful of regular posters here, that aren't considered "trolls", using the 2/6 stuff to slight lebron. they give jordan complete and full credit for his 6 rings, yet want to talk about the "crappy" eastern conference & lebron's 4 finals losses - 2 in which lebron played better than jordan in.

dondadda is one of those users.

Lets compare jordan's top 10 opponents in the post season vs lebrons's top 10. :rolleyes:

[knicksman]

You know youre a low standard beta if you cite 1-9 as if first round = finals. But what did i expect, these are the same people who would chose RS mvps over rings:lol

[sportjames23]

If you look up the word loser, it will simply say.

a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.

Followed by:

Opposite of Michael Jordan or synonymous with Wilt Chamberlain.


:cheers:

[Collie]

Why this thread even reached 4 pages is beyond me.

[smoovegittar]

And the negging continues. Red bars for fools.

[Dro]

Because it IS trolling, as is the 2/6 stuff for Lebron. The only finals loss that can be pinned on Lebron is 2011. No objective fan blames him for the others. As far as 1-9, hardly anyone knows (or cares about) what that is. It's meaningless and arbitrary. Bottom line, anyone who cites 2/6 or 1-9 is either trolling or a simple minded idiot.
:applause: